Analog Devices (ADI), a leading semiconductor company, announced its fourth-quarter fiscal year 2024 earnings, revealing a year marked by recovery and financial resilience. The company reported full-year revenues of $9.4 billion and earnings per share (EPS) of $6.38, successfully navigating through tough macroeconomic conditions. Analog Devices also boasted a strong operating margin of 41% and a free cash flow margin of 33%, while returning $2.4 billion to shareholders and maintaining a healthy cash reserve.
Key Takeaways
- Analog Devices achieved an annual revenue of $9.4 billion and an EPS of $6.38 for FY2024.
- The company reported a robust 41% operating margin and a 33% free cash flow margin.
- Shareholders received $2.4 billion through dividends and share repurchases.
- Cash reserves stood at $2.4 billion with a net leverage ratio of 1.2.
Company Outlook
- Analog Devices anticipates a gradual recovery in fiscal 2025, with the industrial sector leading the charge.
- The company projects potential double-digit growth throughout the rest of the decade.
- Expected Q1 revenue for fiscal 2025 is $2.35 billion, with continued recovery in the following quarters.
Bearish Highlights
- The industrial market segment experienced a significant decline, although it is showing signs of bouncing back.
Bullish Highlights
- Improvement was seen in the automotive market, particularly in China, with growth expected in Battery Management Systems.
- Recovery in the communications market is expected, especially in wireline driven by AI infrastructure.
- The consumer segment showed strength in wearables, portable applications, and premium handsets.
Misses
- Despite overall resilience, the company faced challenges due to the cyclical bottom experienced in the second quarter.
Q&A Highlights
- CEO Vincent Roche expressed confidence in the company's growth trajectory and the strong positioning of its product portfolio.
- Roche underscored the expectation of returning to positive growth in the second quarter and the capability of the business to grow in double digits for the remainder of the decade.
Analog Devices has continued to invest in strategic initiatives, focusing on bolstering its digital, software, and AI capabilities. The launch of the Code Fusion Studio software development platform and the introduction of the ADI Assure Trusted Edge Security Architecture exemplify the company's commitment to innovation. Additionally, a hybrid manufacturing model has been adopted to increase manufacturing flexibility.
In summary, Analog Devices has demonstrated a strong performance in FY2024 despite headwinds from the global market. The company's leadership remains optimistic about its growth prospects, supported by strategic investments and an expectation of a market recovery led by the industrial segment.
Full transcript - Analog Devices Inc (NASDAQ:ADI) Q4 2024:
Conference Operator: Good morning and welcome to the Analog Devices 4th Quarter Fiscal Year 20 24 Earnings Conference Call, which is being audio webcast via telephone and over the web. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I'd like to now introduce your host for today's call, Mr. Michael Lucarelli, Vice President of Investor Relations and FP and A.
Sir, the floor is yours.
Michael Lucarelli, Vice President of Investor Relations and FP&A, Analog Devices: Thank you, Glenn, and good morning, everybody. Thank you for joining our Q4 fiscal 2020 product conference call. Moving on to the call today are ADI's CEO and CRO, Vincent Roche and ADI's CFO, Rich Buccio. Everyone and Mr. Elise can find it in relating financial schedules at investor.
Analog.com. On to the disclosures. Information results discussed include forward looking statements, which are subject to certain risks and uncertainties as further described in our earnings release and our periodic reports and other materials filed with the SEC. Actual results could differ materially from the forward looking information as these statements reflect our expectations only as of this call. We undertake no obligation to update these statements except as required by law.
Relative to gross margin, operating and non operating expenses, operating margin, tax rate, EPS and free cash flow in our comments today will be on a non GAAP basis, which excludes special items. When comparing our results and historical performance, special items are also excluded from prior periods. Reconciliation of these non GAAP measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures and additional information about our non GAAP measures are included in today's earnings release. Please note, references to EPS are on a fully diluted basis. And with that, I'll turn it over to ADI's CEO and Chair, Vincent Roche.
Vincent Roche, CEO and Chair, Analog Devices: Thanks very much, Mike, and a very good morning to you all. So our Q4 results reflected the continued steady recovery from our 2nd quarter cyclical bottom with revenue, operating margin and earnings per share all finishing above the midpoint of our outlook. For the full fiscal year, 2024 revenue finished at $9,400,000,000 with earnings per share of 6.38 dollars The headwinds we faced in fiscal 2024 most notably pronounced post pandemic inventory digestion and the challenging macro backdrop muted demand recovery. Despite the external challenges, however, our business model and disciplined execution delivered an impressive 41% operating margin for the year and a free cash flow margin of 33%, up from 29% in fiscal 2023. Importantly, we continued investing in key value generation and capture initiatives to better position ADI to solve our customers' most difficult challenges at the intelligent edge.
In R and D, which is our first call in capital, we continue to strengthen our world class analog foundation, while extending the scope of our innovation capabilities with investments in digital software and AI. Those investments resulted in, for example, last month's launch of ABI's new Code Fusion Studio software development platform, creating a resource rich hub and intuitive programming environment for embedded codevelopment in support of our analog mixed signal powered and digital franchise. To better secure the increasingly connected intelligent edge, we also launched the ADI Assure Trusted Edge Security Architecture, which will enable cybersecurity capabilities on ADI products. The addition of new tech stack capabilities to our tremendous analog foundation enables us to deliver ever more sophisticated innovations for our customers. Our intense focus on R and D is reflected in the double digit growth of our design win pipeline during fiscal 2024.
That growth was enhanced by momentum in our MAXIM revenue synergies pipeline across such areas as GMSL, Healthcare and Data Center Power, putting us firmly on a path to achieving our goal of $1,000,000,000 in revenue synergies by 2027. Now to accelerate pipeline growth and conversion, we continue to evolve our digital customer engagement platforms to support a greater range of technical expertise and customer needs. We also expanded our cadre of field engineering experts to provide world class support and service to our global customer base. Our customers value our thought leadership, the breadth and depth of our cutting edge technology stack, the strength and resilience of our supply chain and our service and support integrity. And let me share a few examples with you now.
In Industry 4.0, semiconductor content as a percentage of CapEx investments continues to expand rapidly as factories integrate IT and OT to connect and software define the factory floor. This is creating tremendous growth for ADI Sensor to Cloud Automation Solutions with a large number of customers leveraging our sensing, power control and deterministic Ethernet technologies. On the factory floor, our intelligent motion and positioning solutions are being designed into robotic systems by several large customers, expanding our content per robot by 3 times. In our Instrumentation and Test business, ADI's cutting edge analog, mixed signal and power capabilities are the foundation for the leadership position we've established in the AI related SoC and high bandwidth memory test market, where our content per tester stretches into the 100 of 1,000 of dollars. Now looking ahead, we're developing additional mixed signal and digital capabilities to further reduce test time and power requirements, which we believe will result in more than 20% additional ADI content per tester.
Within the health care sector, our precision signal processing and real time connectivity solutions are critical to the rapidly expanding surgical robotics market. And in the fast growing continuous glucose monitoring space, we have won multiple opportunities across several customers. Our unique digitally enabled analog front end solutions increase the accuracy and power efficiency of sensors and enable a better patient experience by extending battery life from days to weeks. Aerospace and Defense has remained our most resilient industrial segment during this downturn with stellar design win pipeline growth. We expect revenue growth to accelerate to a double digit level next year due to increasing global defense budgets and the proliferation of space communication systems that rely on our higher value integrated RF modules and subsystems.
Within Automotive, the performance advantages of our battery management systems are driving substantial pipeline growth among OEMs. In addition, we're also seeing momentum for these solutions in electrical grid storage systems. These trends combined with recent wins give us confidence that our BMS revenues should return to growth in fiscal 2025 with meaningful contributions from our higher value wired solution. The proliferation of higher content vehicles that use more power management, connectivity and an increasing number of sensor platforms is expanding our content across all vehicle types, combustion engines, hybrids and indeed full EVs. This trend drove our GMSL and A2V connectivity and functionally safe power franchises to new high watermarks in fiscal 2024 and with a record design win pipeline, we expect this growth to persist.
Notably, we added to our portfolio of connectivity solutions by launching our Ethernet to the Edge Bus solution or E2B, which is an enabler of the software defined vehicle vision. And out of the gate, we have design wins with several major OEMs, including BMW (ETR:BMWG). In communications, we've seen a positive inflection in the wireline market and expect that growth to continue in FY 'twenty five and beyond. Our confidence is based on significant new wins, including a high precision controller for the optical module and the high performance compute leaders AI systems and our next gen power solutions, which will begin shipping later in 2025. We're also experiencing tremendous demand across leading data center customers for our new innovative hot swap solution, which significantly extends power and control capabilities for AI based servers.
In Consumer, new wins coming to market are driving strong growth. We expect this momentum to continue in the years ahead given new wins across power, audio, optical and touch in portable applications at multiple key customers. We've also seen growth in wearables. For example, our VSM platform superior accuracy at lower power is becoming ever more critical for customers seeking to differentiate by capturing and processing more biomarkers. We've seen design momentum accelerate and content opportunities expand at wearable market leaders as well as in disruptors bringing miniaturized form factors to market.
In wearable acoustic systems, our combination of ultra low power and neural processing with application specific audio processing algorithms is enabling next generation noise cancellation and hearing augmentation. We're leveraging these technology innovations in several B2B markets in addition. Turning now to manufacturing. We've invested $2,700,000,000 in CapEx since acquiring Maxim to increase our capacity and enhance resiliency. We also expanded our foundry partnership with TS and C earlier this year to secure additional 300 millimeter fine pitch technology capacity at their Japan fab.
These investments enable a more flexible hybrid manufacturing model, further insulating our supply from regional shocks and increasing our swing capacity to around 70% of revenue in the coming years. This unique ability helps us to capture the upside in strong demand backdrops and better protect our gross margins during more challenging times. So in closing, I'm very proud of how ADI has managed through one of the worst inventory digestion cycles our industry has ever seen. While the macro backdrop presents challenges, I'm confident in our continued recovery in fiscal 2025. And with that, now I'll pass it over to Rich.
Rich Buccio, CFO, Analog Devices: Thank you, Vince. And let me add my welcome to our Q4 earnings call. I'll start with a brief recap of fiscal 2024 results. Revenue of
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Rich Buccio, CFO, Analog Devices: $9,400,000,000 down from a record fiscal 2023 driven by broad based inventory digestion and sluggish end demand. Gross margin of 67.9 percent reflects lower revenue, factory utilization and mix headwinds. Declines in revenue and gross margins were partially offset by lower operating expenses, which resulted in an operating margin of 40.9% and EPS of $6.38 Moving to 4th quarter results, revenue of $2,440,000,000 came in above the midpoint of our outlook for a 6% sequential increase and a 10% decline year over year. Industrial represented 44% of our 4th quarter revenue finishing up 2% sequentially and down 21% year over year. Continued strength in AI related test, aerospace and defense and a return to sequential growth in automation more than offset slower end demand driven by a weaker macro backdrop.
For the full year, industrial decreased 35% from a record 2023 with every major application declining double digits except aerospace and defense, which significantly outperformed the rest of industrial. Automotive represented 29% of quarterly revenue, finishing up 4% sequentially and down 2% year over year. This was notably better than our original expectation due to steadily improving demand from China throughout the quarter. For the year, automotive declined 2% from a record fiscal 2023 as double digit growth across our functionally safe power and leading A to B and GMSL connectivity franchises were offset by broad based inventory digestion and production headwinds. Communications represented 11% of our quarterly revenue finishing up 4% sequentially and down 18% year over year.
Stronger demand from data center customers for our optical solutions drove low double digit sequential growth in our wireline business, which was more than offset by the decline which more than offset the decline in wireless. For the year, communications decreased 33% and similar to the Q4, we saw relative outperformance in our wireline business over wireless. And lastly, consumer represented 16% of quarterly revenue finishing up 22% sequentially and 31% year over year driven by higher share in wearables, premium handsets and gaming applications. For the year, consumer decreased just 1% with double digit growth in portable applications balancing double digit declines in our prosumer business, which is more industrial like in nature. Now on to the rest of the P and L.
4th quarter gross margin was 67.9%, flat sequentially as products mix headwinds offset modestly higher utilization rates. OpEx in the quarter was $655,000,000 up approximately $35,000,000 sequentially, driven primarily by merit increases, which resulted in an operating margin of 41.1 percent. Non operating expenses finished at $55,000,000 and the tax rate for the quarter was 12.1%. All told, EPS was $1.67 which finished above the midpoint of our outlook. Despite a tough year, we took decisive action to strengthen our financial position and I'd like to call out a few results from our balance sheet and cash flow statement.
We ended the quarter with approximately $2,400,000,000 in cash and short term investments and a net leverage ratio of 1.2. Inventory finished approximately $20,000,000 higher than the 3rd quarter, while days of inventory decreased 11 to 167. Channel inventory finished slightly below the low end of our 7 to 8 week target as we continue to prudently manage our supply. Operating cash flow for the quarter was more than $1,000,000,000 more than $3,800,000,000 for fiscal 2024. CapEx was $165,000,000 for the quarter $730,000,000 for the year, resulting in fiscal 2024 free cash flow of more than $3,100,000,000 or 33 percent of revenue.
During the year, we returned $2,400,000,000 to shareholders via $1,800,000,000 in dividends and $600,000,000 in repurchases. Now moving on to guidance for the Q1. Revenues expected to be $2,350,000,000 plus or minus $100,000,000 Notably, this implies year over year growth when compared to a normalized 13 week Q1 of fiscal 2024, a good indication that we're past the trough and in gradual recovery. We expect sell through to be roughly equal to sell through in this quarter. At the midpoint, we are expecting a seasonal decline on a sequential basis as noted last quarter.
Industrial, Automotive and Communications are each expected to decline by low single digits with consumer down around 15%. Operating margin is expected to be approximately 40% plus or minus 100 basis points. Our tax rate is expected to be 12% to 14% and based on these inputs EPS is expected to be 1 point 53 dollars plus or minus $0.10 I'll conclude by noting a few items as we begin the new fiscal year. As Vince mentioned, we made great progress building a more agile and resilient hybrid manufacturing model. As such, we expect our CapEx spend will moderate back to our long term model of 4% to 6% of revenue in fiscal 2025.
We expect this normalized CapEx level and planned receipt of investment tax credits tied to both the U. S. And European chips acts will provide tailwinds to fiscal 2025's free cash flow. Importantly, while we have delivered on our commitment to return 100% free cash flow since our Maxim acquisition, fiscal 2024's return was lower due to our decision to increase balance sheet cash during this period of macroeconomic uncertainty and to help us extinguish $400,000,000 of debt coming due in fiscal 2025. That said, investors can expect us to revert to our targeted return of 100% free cash flow in fiscal 2025.
I'll now give it back to Mike for Q and A. Thanks, Rich. Let's get to the Q and A session. We ask
Michael Lucarelli, Vice President of Investor Relations and FP&A, Analog Devices: that you limit yourself
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Michael Lucarelli, Vice President of Investor Relations and FP&A, Analog Devices: to allow for additional participants on the call this morning. If you have follow-up question, please re queue and we'll take a question if time allows. With that, we have our first question please.
Conference Operator: Thank you. And I show our first question comes from the line of Chris Bentley from Citi. Please go ahead.
Michael Lucarelli, Vice President of Investor Relations and FP&A, Analog Devices: Hey, thanks guys. Just a little color on the auto strength. Can you talk about how big China is as a percent of your auto business?
: And then within that, how much of
Michael Lucarelli, Vice President of Investor Relations and FP&A, Analog Devices: the strength was from, say, EV versus ICE or all these EV startups that we're hearing about from China? Thanks.
Rich Buccio, CFO, Analog Devices: So I'll give you a little bit of the perspective, Chris, on the auto near term. So on last call, we had expected the sequential decline in Q4 given the drop we talked about in bookings during Q3 and adjustment to production for multiple of our OEMs. However, toward the end of Q3 bookings started to improve and that continued throughout our Q4 with stronger demand in China reflecting EV volume growth, share gains and content growth. As for the other geos, we saw broad weakness but upside in the U. S.
Which returned to sequential growth driven mainly by our BMS and wireless BMS portfolio. Secular demand for ADAS and next gen infotainment continues to drive strength globally for our functionally safe power, audio and video connectivity solutions. Content and share growth in these areas have helped offset broad inventory headwinds resulting in a shallower correction in other end markets. I'd also note that while BMS is still facing inventory headwinds broadly, we saw a strong uptick in China reflecting the expanded share we talked about on our Q2 call compounded by volume growth in the region. BMS also improved in the U.
S, including growth for our higher content wireless solution, which is now 10% of total BMS. And as Vince mentioned, design win activity was strong in 2024, giving us confidence that BMS will return to growth in fiscal year 2025.
Vincent Roche, CEO and Chair, Analog Devices: A little more color, Chris, what Rich has just said. We've got a really high performance portfolio. We've got many, many different SKUs, if you like, in that portfolio. And we're playing the high performance game with the big players in China and Germany. So that's the state of the business there.
Rich Buccio, CFO, Analog Devices: And I think some context on the U. S.
Michael Lucarelli, Vice President of Investor Relations and FP&A, Analog Devices: China kind of relative what's the mix of China. Our China business looks a lot like ADI Enterprise, where industrial and onboard is the 2 biggest percent of our revenue in China. So I think about 80% of the China business, comps in the teens, the consumer is below 5%.
Conference Operator: Thank you. And I show our next question comes from the line of C. J. Muse from Cantor Fitzgerald. Please go ahead.
C.J. Muse, Analyst, Cantor Fitzgerald: Yes, good morning. Thank you for taking the question. Vince, you talked about a number of company specific drivers that should allow you to outperform in calendar 'twenty five. So I was hoping you could kind of use that as a backdrop and then maybe layer in kind of your thoughts on how the cycle will kind of emerge from today's trough and what your kind of thoughts are in terms of pushing business through 2025 and 2026? Thank you.
Vincent Roche, CEO and Chair, Analog Devices: Yes. Thanks, TJ. So yes, obviously, we've already stated our Q1 will be down. So we expect to start getting back to a positive growth trajectory in the second quarter. I think during 2025, if I were to kind of rank the market recoveries, I think it will be led by industrial.
We have very healthy customer inventories. The channel is below 7 weeks, and that's a big part of the supply chain into the industrial sector. You couple that with the green shoots that we've mentioned already in areas like AI tests and aerospace and defense, which I called out in the script. So I think the compare is easier overall. And as a result, I think industrial, given the signs we see, will recover briskly in 2025.
I think in Consumer, we have a much more diversified business than we've ever had. We've better portfolio than we've ever had. Inventory is normalized. And we're already seeing the benefits. We saw it in our 4Q results, 3 and 4Q results, the strength of our consumer business.
I think next is the comms business. It declined by over 30% in 2024. And I think that was really an inventory digestion issue. So we feel at this point that we're through the worst of the supply normalization. And as we talked about in the scripts, we're beginning to see steady demand improvement, particularly in wireline, driven by the build out of these new externalized intelligent systems and the AI infrastructure.
So we're not seeing much on the wireless side. We've, I think, at a low point in wireless during 2024. So I think it will all depend on carrier CapEx investments in 5 gs moving ahead. Last but not least, the automotive sector. We expect to see continued momentum in areas of functionally safe power, the connectivity things that I spoke about.
And essentially, we expect globally to be driving share and penetration across all the different types of platforms. So we've had a tough year in 2024 in BMS. 2025, we expect to see that get back to a better shape, get back to a growth pattern. And given that auto was down just 2% in 2024, it's a tough compare moving ahead. But overall, we feel that we'll be on a solid growth path there as well.
So that's the ranking, CJ. It's a long answer to a simple question. Thank you, Zane.
Conference Operator: Thank you. And I show our next question comes from the line of Vivek Aryas from Bank of America Securities. Please go ahead.
: Thanks for taking my question. My question is on Q4 Industrial and then how it sort of shapes fiscal 2025. I think for Q4 Industrial, if I'm not mistaken, you had expected sales to grow high single digit. I think they went up only modestly. And then you're guiding Q1 Industrial down again sequentially.
So Vince, my question is industrial really out of the woods, what helps it grow above seasonal? Because just assuming seasonal growth for the rest of fiscal 2025 may not be sufficient, right, to really grow fiscal 2025 at a strong pace. So just maybe help us understanding what's happening in the industrial market and when do you expect it to start growing above seasonal trends next year?
Rich Buccio, CFO, Analog Devices: So Vivek, I'll take that one. So 4Q, as you mentioned, was a bit lower than we expected, driven largely by weakness in the broad market and our decision to reduce channel inventory during the quarter. As you know, reducing channel inventory has an outsized impact on our industrial business. At the same time, we did see continued strength in ADEPS, instrumentation and test and a return to sequential growth in automation. If you remember, in the prior two quarters, we had seen significant declines in automation.
So to see that return to sequential growth was a very positive sign. Taking a step back, we've grown industrial sequentially now for 2 quarters of what we said was our trough in Q2 of 2024. So we feel pretty good that the recovery is still unfolding for us. And now we're in a waiting game a bit to see what the macros do. But if I look to 2025, one of the important signals for us continues to be, we have been under shipping demand for the better part of 18 months.
And if you just normalize that for even our historical patterns or the market patterns, it would indicate we've under shipped something like 20%, which is how we get confidence in coming out of Q1's seasonal down, we will start to see growth again in industrial in the remainder of 2025. Obviously, the slope of that recovery will be governed a bit by the macro backdrop.
Conference Operator: Thank you. And I show our next question comes from the line of Joe Moore from Morgan Stanley (NYSE:MS). Please go ahead.
Shane, Analyst Representative, Morgan Stanley: Hi. Thank you for letting me ask a question. This is Shane for Morgan Stanley on behalf of Joe Moore. Just on your automotive business, how have customer orders and pricing discussions tracked for the growth areas of your portfolio such as A2B, GMSL and Functional Safe Power? And then how have they progressed for the sort of other half of the automotive business?
Thank you.
Rich Buccio, CFO, Analog Devices: So I'll break that into 2 pieces. I guess I'll talk about pricing first. So from a pricing perspective so far with customers, it's been largely as expected and continuing to exhibit the stability that we've talked about previously, right? We continue to focus on the high end where our customers value performance versus price. We can continue to command ASPs 4x the industry average and that has continued to grow over the cycle.
Particularly as we look across our broad large customers, we're becoming more and more important moving from essentially a Tier 2 contracting with Tier 1s to actually partnering with the OEMs at the early stages of design. And we've talked about before, prices set at the design end tend to stay pretty fixed throughout a long period of time, sometimes over a decade on average, although there is some volume discounts that come through. So we trade off incremental volume for small decreases in price. And then we do look to mitigate those discounts with our vintage increases on our older products. The other thing that's helping on the pricing stability is we are clearly broadly across costs in our business experiencing inflationary environments, which supports continued stability on the pricing side.
Michael Lucarelli, Vice President of Investor Relations and FP&A, Analog Devices: And your comment, you guys, about the pieces of the automotive business, you're right. We break it down into kind of 2 halves. 1, we call segment growth areas. Vince outlined a bunch of those, TMSL, A2B, function safe, power and BMS. They make up about half our revenue in auto.
Those grew in 24% over 10%. The other part of the business, the other 50% is really more standard product portfolio that goes across all OEMs, all customers, really was up and down in production. That piece was down about 10% in 2024. And you fast forward to 2025, we think it was it will be more of the same, where we see a lot of the growth come from those GMSL, AGB, monthly safe portfolio. And as we said a couple of times, I call it BMS return to growth as well.
Next (LON:NXT) question please.
Conference Operator: Thank you. And I show our next question comes from the line of Tore Svanberg from Stifel. Please go ahead.
Tore Svanberg, Analyst, Stifel: Yes. Thank you. Vince, I had a sort of bigger picture question, especially as we embark on this new cycle. So as I navigate your website, I just see some are software products. And I'm just wondering as AI continues to move to
Michael Lucarelli, Vice President of Investor Relations and FP&A, Analog Devices: the
Tore Svanberg, Analyst, Stifel: edge, what do you see as a differentiation here for analog devices, especially in relation to some of your other analog mixed signal peers?
Vincent Roche, CEO and Chair, Analog Devices: Yes. Thanks, Tore. Well, software is not particularly new to ADI in the sense that for many decades now, we've had a vibrant DST franchise with a lot of toolchain capability, a lot of algorithmic capability. But we've begun really, I think, over the last decade, taking a more application view to the world across all our core markets, industrial, automotive, communications, etcetera, etcetera. And we've begun moving up the stack from the core base of analog mixed signal power technologies.
So we use, I would say, more algorithmic technology to kind of as a copilot, so to speak, with the core analog franchise. So everything we do in software essentially supports the cutting edge strength that we have in the analog, mixed signal and power solutions. And it's increasingly important for AEI to present our solutions to our customers in a way that makes it easier and more enjoyable for them to use our solutions, the complexity and sophistication of what we bring to them. So over the last couple of months, we announced 2 new parts to our software story. 1 is what we call Code Fusion Studio.
And essentially what that is, is an open source software development environment that includes software development kits, tools, debuggers and so on and so forth. And that enables our customers to get access to be able to embed ADIs analog and digital technologies into their end system solutions. And the second piece is, it goes without saying cybersecurity is top of mind for everybody. So we've released what we call the ADI Assure platform. And essentially what it is, it's a new security architecture that enables us to provide a root of trust from the hardware right into the cloud, so to speak, and to understand the movement, the creation and movement of data across that spectrum.
So we are spending more on software than we've done, but we're taking a very holistic view. And I'd say, using software to drive the innovation system of the company, the innovation within our products, around our products and making it easier for our customers to access our solutions. That's it in a nutshell, I think.
Conference Operator: Thank you. And I show our next question comes from the line of Stacy Rasgon from Bernstein. Please go ahead.
: Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my question. I wanted to ask about gross margins. What are your thoughts on gross margins into Q1 as revenue declines? And do you think that Q1 is the bottom as it does seem like you do think revenue grows off of there?
Like how do we think about the trajectory off of that for gross margins in the next year? What does it take to get them back into the 60% plus range?
Rich Buccio, CFO, Analog Devices: Stacy, I'll take that one. So gross Q4 gross margin was lower than we had expected due to mix. So with consumer and auto being so much stronger, while industrial was weaker, that created some downward pressure because we had talked about a slight sequential increase, which we didn't see. For Q1, we expected slightly lower gross margin given sort of normal factory shutdowns around the holidays as well as the seasonally lower revenue. If we think about when will we see sort of the 70%, this is going to continue to be driven by mix and utilization as we grow revenue.
Right now, industrial is pretty low mix and utilization while no longer decreasing and coming off of our low points back in Q2 remains sort of well below optimal levels. If you want to think about it from a longer term perspective, from a revenue view, we'd likely need revenue in the $2,700,000,000 plus to start seeing 70%. From a 2025 sort of sequential perspective, as we do, as we mentioned, expect revenue to recover to growth coming out of the Q1 seasonality, we would expect to see gross margin improvement as we work through the back half of the year. And then obviously, as we've talked about the back half macros will determine how much revenue growth we get and how much incremental margin we see.
Conference Operator: Thank you. And I show our next question comes from the line of Timothy Arcuri from UBS. Please go ahead.
: Rich, you just mentioned that fiscal Q2 is going to be up. I'm wondering what you consider normal seasonal to be in fiscal Q2. It seems like it's up about 3% to 4%. So that's the first part of my question. And then the second part is, if you sort of strip out autos, I wonder
Michael Lucarelli, Vice President of Investor Relations and FP&A, Analog Devices: like how is book to bill if you
: could sort of strip out autos versus normal? Is it trending pretty much as you would think?
Michael Lucarelli, Vice President of Investor Relations and FP&A, Analog Devices: Yes, I'll go to the first question and
Vincent Roche, CEO and Chair, Analog Devices: then go to the book to bill question.
Michael Lucarelli, Vice President of Investor Relations and FP&A, Analog Devices: Was like, I lost it back to myself. I thought the 2Q question would be with the top 3 questions for number 7. So that's where that'll go sometimes. But you're right, we keep talking seasonally strength. What does seasonal mean in 2Q?
It's been a while for some seasonality. Usually you see industrial and auto up, about mid single digits in 2Q. Communications up some, not as much, maybe flat up slightly, but consumer is down a little bit. So overall, you're up about low to mid single digits at a total company level. Again, that's seasonal trends, there's a wide band on that.
That's typically how we think about 2Q from a seasonal perspective.
Rich Buccio, CFO, Analog Devices: Yes. On the booking side, so, as we talked about after the decline in Q3 in auto, total bookings returned to growth driven by continued growth in industrial and a rebound in auto. Overall book to bill was slightly below 1, which we would say is pretty normal at this point, reflecting our seasonally lower 1Q outlook. Regionally, bookings were up everywhere, excluding the Americas, and that largely reflects the seasonal decline in consumer.
Michael Lucarelli, Vice President of Investor Relations and FP&A, Analog Devices: Thanks, Tim.
Conference Operator: Thank you. And I show our next question comes from the line of Ross Samuels from Deutsche Bank (ETR:DBKGn). Please go ahead.
Ross Samuels, Analyst, Deutsche Bank: Hi, guys. Thanks for letting me ask a question. Vince, a bit of a longer term question for you. Cycle to cycle, the good news is it sounds like you found the bottom, especially on the industrial side. And you mentioned that it was kind of the worst downturn from an inventory perspective in a long, long time.
I guess my question is the prior peak, I guess in your fiscal 2023, is that attainable? And what are the puts and takes to get to that? Because I guess from a big picture question, was that over inflated? Or was that a realistic target that we should look forward to? And if so, at what time?
Vincent Roche, CEO and Chair, Analog Devices: Yes. Thanks, Ross. Well, I think, 1st and foremost, our portfolio is in better position than it's ever been. I would say ADI's connection with our customers, big and small, is better than it's ever been. We're investing, I believe, in the right areas in the R and D sector.
Our pipeline coming out of 24, It grew double digits year over year, opportunity pipeline. So I think the company is well positioned. We've also been very, very, I would say, taking a very almost purest view to how we flush inventories, enable our customers to flush inventories off their balance sheets. So my sense is, we've got a supply chain that is well capable of meeting what we believe will be good demand during 2024. To get back to the kind of the 2023 levels, we believe that our business is capable of growing double digits, So through the rest of the decade here, given the position we've got, the demand that we see, the opportunity pipeline.
So and I think we will see a good down payment on that future prospects during 2025.
Conference Operator: Thank you. And I show our next question comes from the line of William Stein from Truist Securities. Please go ahead.
: Great. Thanks for taking my question. Vince, I think you mentioned data center power management in the prepared remarks, but I'm hoping you can dig into this a little bit. There's been quite a bit of volatility there. There are some very, what some people call charismatic design win opportunities in that end market.
I know that at least one of the companies who acquired Maxim had a significant effort in 48 volt PMIC and I suspect Lanier had something there as well. I wonder if you can comment as to the medium term opportunity as you all see it and maybe any comment on design win traction there? Thank you.
Vincent Roche, CEO and Chair, Analog Devices: Yes. Thanks, Will. So first off, if you just put the entire data center business in ADI in perspective, we have really two elements to our power story. I think one is the power solutions that go around the computing chips and the rest of the server infrastructure. The second piece is the control units, things like cost swapping, supervisory, so on and so forth.
We've had good traction of that business for a long, long time. We've got some new products coming to market that will continue to boost that in terms of ASP, share and so on and so forth. We're also getting good traction with our optical control solutions right up to 1.6 terabits. So that's kind of the landscape of products and technologies that we have. If you're going to win anything in this data center business, you've got to play an ecosystem game.
So we play with the processor companies, we're playing with the data center companies themselves. And again, we're picking our places very, very carefully. We're going for the highest end solutions where we can make a big difference in the energy space. And by the way, we're even attaching energy solutions at kind of the more between the grid and the data center. So we view this power as just merely part of an energy solution, and we're looking at that from the intersection with the grid right down to the chip.
Michael Lucarelli, Vice President of Investor Relations and FP&A, Analog Devices: Thanks, Will. Can we go to our last question, please?
Conference Operator: Thank you. And I share our last question comes from the line of Joshua Buchalter from TD Cowen. Please go ahead.
: Hey guys, thanks for squeezing me in.
Rich Buccio, CFO, Analog Devices: I wanted to ask about utilization rates. I think you might be the only company in broad based semis that called out higher utilization rates this quarter. How should we think about how you're thinking about that trending into fiscal 2025? It sounds like sell in is matching sell through. Should we just think about that ramping basically directionally and linearly with your revenue or any other puts and takes we should keep in mind as we think about the impact to margins?
Thank you. Yes. So I guess I would start with from a utilization perspective, we've talked about our agile manufacturing. One of the reasons we've been able to bring utilization levels up is our ability to swing capacity back into our internal fabs. So I think as I've mentioned, we're still not at anywhere near a normalized utilization rate, but our ability to swing during the downturn has allowed us to continue to grow off the trough that we talked about in Q2.
So we have seen 2 quarters of sequential modest, I would say, modest sequential increases in utilization. And as the revenue picks up as we work our way through fiscal year 2025, I expect that utilization to continue increase to continue.
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Michael Lucarelli, Vice President of Investor Relations and FP&A, Analog Devices: right. Thank you, Josh, and thanks everyone for joining us this morning. A cockpit of transit will be available
Vincent Roche, CEO and Chair, Analog Devices: on our website. Thanks
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Michael Lucarelli, Vice President of Investor Relations and FP&A, Analog Devices: joining the call and have a great Thanksgiving.
Conference Operator: Thank you. This concludes today's Analog Devices conference call. You may now disconnect.
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