Earnings call transcript: Welcure Drugs and Pharma Q2 2025 sees strategic expansion

Welcure Drugs and Pharmaceuticals Ltd (WDP) reported its second-quarter results, showcasing strategic growth and expansion across Western Europe. The company secured €1 billion in new investments and expanded its portfolio in France and Germany. With a current market capitalization of €199.4 billion and an EBITDA of €18.45 billion, WDP maintains a strong market position despite recent price volatility. According to InvestingPro data, the stock has demonstrated impressive returns over multiple timeframes, with particularly strong performance over the past decade.

Key Takeaways

• Welcure expanded its presence in France and Germany, doubling its portfolio in France.
• The company secured €1 billion in new investments with a 6.4% net yield.
• Maintained a high occupancy rate of 98% and a strong balance sheet.
• Stock price decreased by 4.97% to €9.26.

Company Performance

Welcure Drugs and Pharmaceuticals Ltd demonstrated solid performance in Q2 2025, focusing on strategic expansion and innovation. The company doubled its portfolio in France and completed its first major project in Germany. Despite a challenging market, Welcure maintained a high occupancy rate of 98% and an annualized rent of €450 million. The company continues to leverage its strong balance sheet and funding capacity for growth across Western Europe.

Financial Highlights

• Secured investments: €1 billion at a 6.4% net yield
• EPRA NTA: €21
• Loan-to-value (LTV): 38%
• Net debt to EBITDA: 7.2x
• Annualized rent: €450 million
• Occupancy rate: 98%

Outlook & Guidance

Welcure's forward guidance indicates a target EPS of 1.7 by 2027, with projected rent growth to exceed €500 million. The company expects an underlying growth rate of 6% annually and an increase in the effective tax rate from 3% to 6% by 2027. These projections align with analyst consensus, underscoring confidence in the company's strategic direction. InvestingPro's Fair Value analysis suggests the stock is currently slightly undervalued, with a Financial Health Score of 2.51 (GOOD), supporting the positive outlook.

Executive Commentary

CEO Joost Desender emphasized the company's growth trajectory, stating, "We are growing towards a €10 billion-plus logistic real estate company." He added, "We can grow even when we become bigger," highlighting the structural long-term fundamentals of the logistic real estate sector.

Risks and Challenges

• Potential increase in effective tax rates from 3% to 6% by 2027.
• Market saturation in Western Europe could pose challenges to expansion.
• Macroeconomic pressures may impact investment yields and occupancy rates.
• Supply chain disruptions could affect development timelines and costs.

Welcure Drugs and Pharmaceuticals Ltd remains committed to its strategic expansion and innovation, positioning itself as a leader in the European logistics platform. The company's strong financial performance and forward-looking guidance reflect its resilience and adaptability in a competitive market. For a comprehensive analysis of WDP's performance and potential, including detailed valuation metrics and growth indicators, explore the full research report available on InvestingPro, which covers over 1,400 top stocks with expert insights and actionable intelligence.

Full transcript - Welcure Drugs Pharmaceuticals BO (WDP) Q4 2024:

Joost Desender, CEO, WDP: Hello, everyone, and thank you for joining today. It's clear that 2024 has been a pivotal year for WDP, highlighted by strong financial and operational results and strategic milestones, while celebrating twenty five years on the stock exchange. We made bold moves in the capital cycle, investing over billion, significantly enhancing our European footprint and more than doubling our investment activity compared to previous years. Through selective capital deployment, we navigated the risk spectrum replenishing our investment pipeline and solidifying our market presence. At the same time, we've taken organizational changes to position WDP as a truly leading European player with five local platforms in six countries.

A cornerstone of this strategy has been our success in France, where we tripled our portfolio in just two years. Under the newly appointed country manager, a local French WDP team will unlock new opportunities and extend our presence in this market. Germany also marked a milestone with our first major project of million. Across the portfolio, we generated positive revaluations through development gains, attractive acquisitions and value add asset management initiatives. All of this was achieved while maintaining our client centric focus showcased in our portfolio KPIs supported by the robust market fundamentals.

These 24 achievements demonstrate the effectiveness of our execution power and strength of our Blend 27 strategy, which brands multiple drivers in multiple markets. Looking ahead, we are well positioned with a unique investment pipeline, a strong balance sheet and funding, all in place to drive us towards our 1.7 EPS target by 'twenty seven. Now is the time to execute and to replicate our unmatched track record of profitable growth in each phase of the capital cycle. Welcome, team WDP. Welcome, investors, analysts and bankers.

As mentioned in the intro movie, it was again another year of excellence, operationally and financially. Operationally, we have grown towards a portfolio of billion, and we kept our occupancy rate of 98% and with an annualized rent of EUR $450,000,000. Financially, we created not only EPS growth, but total return with an EPRA NTA which has grown up to EUR21, all supported by a super balance sheet with a loan to value of 38% and an add debt to EBITDA of 7.2%. And yes, it was a pivotal year for WDP. We really changed from a Benelux company, a Benelux with an add on in Romania towards a real core Western European platform with a unique fantastic Extra in Romania and going forward and evoluting to a EUR 10,000,000,000 plus company.

We secured EUR 1,000,000,000 of new investments at an average yield net of 6.4. And it were not the normal investments in our normal markets, but we really made a breakthrough in France that we can add now as a full fifth platform. Above that, there is still a unique pipeline of billion in execution, also very profitable with a net initial yield of 6.6. And for all this, our funding is in place, thanks to our strong balance sheet, our liquidity and auto financing capacity. So we are in full execution mode towards our 1.7% EPS in 2027%, also thanks to our new management structure, which will help us to grow into and to grow further into more platforms.

And indeed, one of the most remarkable things is probably France. We added France as a fifth platform and so really becoming a local player in France by doubling the portfolio up to 700,000,000 and opening an office in Paris with a well known new country manager in France. If we go down a little bit into detail of the EUR 1,000,000,000 newly secured investments of 2024, well, then it is a very nice combination of what WDP stands for. There are very nice developments at the right yields and a combination of core investments to enlarge our two new platforms in France and Germany and also Core Plus and added value investments in our home countries. And yes, of course, we always do our energy investments, totaling EUR 1,000,000,000 unique in our history at an NOI of EUR 6,400,000,000.0.

So what will give now the impact of all those investments on our balance sheet? Mick?

Mick Wyckaert, CFO, WDP: Yes. Thank you, Joost. And further to what we've realized in 2024, let us look forward from here. What do we still have in execution? So let me walk you through the bridge on the slide.

First of all, starting in at the growth plan. One year ago, early twenty twenty four, we had a very nice pipeline in execution of EUR $640,000,000 to which we added EUR 1,000,000,000. So that's the realizations, the projects we secured and signed in 2024 for EUR 1,000,000,000 as just explained by Joost. We then actually invested out of those almost 1,000,000,000 that accrued in the balance sheet and we still have 400,000,000 of deals in exclusive negotiations on which we are working right now and executing, which brings the total pipeline at the 12/31/2024 at EUR 1,100,000,000.0, which is the record pipeline we've ever had. And so you can see also in there the EUR 400,000,000, which we typically don't do to add what we have in concrete negotiations.

So why did we add that? Because for two reasons, there was a question for more forward looking data and we also wanted to anticipate the question what is still needed to get you to the EPS target of of Well, this is it, another million on top of what we've already announced and we have it in front of us. And the EUR 400,000,000 by the way is a balanced mix between projects and acquisitions at expected NOI yields of between 67%. And let us that means that we have now through this very nice and profitable development pipeline all the building blocks in place to achieve the growth target by 2027. And when we take a look at the next slide, this next slide shows a projection on where rents could land by 2027.

So growing over

Joost Desender, CEO, WDP: EUR 500,000,000,

Mick Wyckaert, CFO, WDP: which implies there is a continued momentum to drive both earnings and total returns. When we then take a look at the status of our four year growth plan Blend27, we can after one year, first of all, confirm our target of but more importantly, say that we have all the building blocks and the funding in place to achieve that target. And that has never been the situation after one year into a four year plan. So let me walk you through the details. What is it based on?

So first of all, we had the very strong investment activity in 2024 with EUR 1,000,000,000 growing in the balance sheet and which will then start to contribute in full as from 2025. We have as showed the very strong development pipeline of EUR 1,100,000,000.0 in execution composed of a mix of investments. So that is a source of external growth and that should be supplemented by internal growth roughly at CPI indexation of around 2% plus rent reversions of around 40 bps, 50 bps above that. So in short, those building blocks should bring us to the EUR 1.7. So there is one key assignment Jost as a CEO brought to our teams early in the year and that is let us execute what we have in front of us.

On the funding side, we are fully covered from balance sheet capacity as well as from a liquidity perspective and to translate this into numbers, we are starting off a low LTV of 38% and a net debt to EBITDA of EUR 7.2. Hence, if we add EUR 1,000,000,000 of investments and take into consideration that each year we add on average EUR 200,000,000 of retained earnings and script dividends as a form of auto financing, that should add cumulatively EUR 600,000,000 over the twenty twenty five, twenty twenty seven period and keep leverage in check. And so the end result should be a yearly underlying growth rate of 6% reflecting the true underlying business performance. Now what does it mean for the short term for 2025 guidance? Then we guide for a EPRA earnings per share of which is exactly in line with the median analyst consensus we compiled.

Here too, of course, we need to take into account those specific elements of the one off in $0.24 of $0.03 and the loss as from $0.25 of $0.05 related to the loss and abolishment of the Dutch REIT regime to give you a sense of true underlying business performance. And here you can see we provided that bridge and the true underlying bridge is from through EUR 1 point 5 8, which adds EUR 0 point 1 1 or 7% growth year on year on an underlying basis. The most important building blocks to that guidance are the further execution of the investment pipeline, organic growth for which the components are CPI and reversion combined at 3% and of course some impact on the occupancy rates, which we expect to make a true bottom at 97% by mid-twenty twenty five and to gradually cover from there. And this is exactly what we have set during the Q3 call and will also further be highlighted and explained by Joost later on. That's on the investment side.

On the funding side there, it's important to stress that we have good hedging in place. We have no material debt hedge maturities prior to 2027. So we are able to keep our cost of debt low at around 2.3%. And then perhaps some technical comments, modeling comments. There will indeed be a step change due to on the taxes due to higher tax burden as from 2025 related to the cancellation of the Dutch REIT regime.

So there it will go up by around 10,000,000, 11 million has an effect of $0.05 per share. And to guide you on the overall effective tax rates will go up from 3% in 2024 to 5% in 2025 and then mildly going higher to 6% and stabilizing at 6% by 2027. So that's on the details of this on the P and L and on the balance sheet, we are comfortable with LTV around 40% and a debt to EBITDA staying well below eight times. So I think in summary, despite some technical remarks that technical items that deserve some explanation. The key message here is that we are well on track to deliver for the by '27 and that is of course what matters most.

So I would like now to hand over back to Jules for some market comments.

Joost Desender, CEO, WDP: Yes. Probably the most important element of today, what do we see at the demand side and in our occupancy rate. In our Q3 report, we anticipated a decline in occupancy of 1%, the famous 100,000 square meter extra, up to 97% due to certain spaces being returned between that moment and June 25. This projection was our six to nine months forward preview based on running contract renewal negotiations at that moment. So as expected, this reduction materialized, but since then stabilized.

No further space is given back. Typically, during an economic downturn, clients tend to remain in place due to the CapEx and the risks associated to relocating, which they prefer to avoid during challenging times. So this behavior is reflected in our retention rate. At the beginning of the year, we usually observe a renewal rate of approximately 50% for the coming year. However, we are pleased to report now that we have already achieved 70% contract prolongations this year.

So this indicates that our retention rate has returned to normal levels, besides, of course, the 100,000 square meters of crude tree that will be given back. Furthermore, we have noticed renewed activity in the rental market, particularly in smaller units for the moment, although larger spaces are still lagging behind. We are also engaged in discussions with some clients regarding new developments, primarily in consumer and food sector as the industrial sector continues to face difficulties. But of course, in general, new demand will first be filled up and it will first use empty spaces. All of these factors lead us to conclude that we are really bottoming out and have reached the inflection point in the cyclical nature of our macroeconomic environment.

Once again, it proves that the cyclicality in the logistics sector the last twenty five years only results in two maximum 3% drop in occupancy, no more than that. Structurally, the demand for warehouses remains robust in a world that increasingly relies on omni channeling and continentalization. Alexander?

Alexander, Investor Relations, WDP: So following the remarks of both, Mick and Joost, we will now open the Q and A session in roughly sixty seconds from now. Meanwhile, feel free to already post your questions in the live chat. So we're now open for the Q and A session. For the participants, you can either put your questions in the live chat, but also the analysts have the option to raise their questions live. So we'll first address these ones and then we'll go on to the ones in the chat.

First question is coming from Francesca. You can unmute yourself and ask a question, please, one at a time.

Francesca, Analyst: Yes. Sergio, good morning, everybody. Many thanks for taking my question. The first one is about investments. We have seen a very strong investment acceleration in the latest months of 2024 and also in January.

What can we expect from now on? We expect this rhythm to continue in 2025. Can you set a bit the tone for the coming months? And based on the latest discussion, Germany appear to lag a bit behind France. Is still this the case?

What is happening there? Then I have a few other questions. Maybe I'll continue later.

Joost Desender, CEO, WDP: Yes. Like we mentioned, Francesca, indeed, we will now concentrate on first on the pipeline. The best thing and the most profitable thing we can do now is execute, execute, execute the billion pipeline combination of the already committed investments and the EUR 400,000,000 in negotiation. So this is the first thing we will do. And then first, we will have to concentrate on that execution so that, let's say, the SEK1.7 billion is safe, that we can realize this.

And of course, above this basis, then we can look opportunistically further to new acquisitions. But the biggest value to create is just finalizing and executing the EUR 1,100,000,000.0 pipeline. And yes, let's say we have had and we have seen a lot of possibilities in France. There we went up to 700,000,000 and Germany was less. But important was that we could do a first big deal with FIGR in Zulpiq for a very nice specialized pharmalogistic hub.

And so we could double the portfolio there. So we planted our flag and we are open to invest further. But in Germany, we say to everybody that our cost of capital is, let's say, 5% and that they need to meet that. And as long as Germany, let's say, ignores the cost of capital, then it stays difficult and we are prepared to do something extra in the startup phase of a country. But let's say we don't go below our cost of capital and we want to invest at least earnings per share neutral like we did last year in France and Germany.

Francesca, Analyst: Okay. That's good. And maybe can you make a comment about development costs? Because other players are still talking about development costs declining. What are you experiencing lately?

Mick Wyckaert, CFO, WDP: As on the development costs, these are let's say, these have come down and

Galen, Analyst: we see

Mick Wyckaert, CFO, WDP: it's today stabilizing at a lower level. So they have come down, let's say from the peak around 15%. If 15%, we can now achieve those development returns again. So that gives some headroom. But further down, we don't see it or we cannot make a call today that they come further down because on the one hand labor is going up too, labor cost.

And you have also the norms and the quality and the standards which go up also each year. So that's why it's more balanced today.

Francesca, Analyst: Don't you see any differences in the markets?

Joost Desender, CEO, WDP: Not really. Okay. No. Real fundamental can be a little bit, let's say, the part of the land value is bigger in Western Europe than in Romania. But let's say, in general, the picture is the same.

Francesca, Analyst: Okay. And then maybe final question regarding the comments on the Belgian Trust that I see this morning, can you make a comment about the MSI index?

Mick Wyckaert, CFO, WDP: Well, on the MSCI index, we know that there was a concern from the investors that we would have we would be excluded from the MSCI Europe index. But we received some input from our bankers the last couple of days and they made some calculations and mentioned to us that the risk is considered as being low. But obviously, it's you have the data probably, we don't have the data. So I'm just telling you what we got as input.

Francesca, Analyst: That's fine. I'm Paul Sperta. Thank you.

Alexander, Investor Relations, WDP: The next question is coming from Wim Levy from KBC Securities.

Wim Levy, Analyst, KBC Securities: Yes, hi, good morning. Thanks for the presentation. Can you hear me okay?

Mick Wyckaert, CFO, WDP: Yes. Perfect, Wim.

Wim Levy, Analyst, KBC Securities: Oh, perfect. Yes. My question is on the pre met level in the pipeline. So that came down from around low 70s to 60. And in your statement, you referred to the soil remediation and cluster expansion.

Can you give maybe a little bit more info on the dynamics behind that? What has changed, let's say, of the last quarter? And what do you specifically mean with these two factors? And also how will that evolve over the year? That's final.

Mick Wyckaert, CFO, WDP: Yes. On the pre letting rate on the development pipeline, it came down quarter on quarter from 72% to 60%. And that's really linked to the project in Romania where a client canceled the contract and for which we were fully compensated. So that is now a vacant building in the pipeline which we are executing and that will need to be re let. So that's a technical item.

And there are indeed still some other projects in the pipeline, which are un let, but which are not massively under construction. All the preparations are being done. For one, we have the solar remediation, which is going on. And for some other projects, these are the final units of the larger project, which was a multi tenant project and for which the other cells and units already are finished and out of the development pipeline. And we are confident on letting that and we have also time to do that.

Wim Levy, Analyst, KBC Securities: Okay. And maybe just specifically on that soil remediation, can you say how that then is there like a lengthier process to let if there is a brownfield project or that's not what that meant in the statement?

Mick Wyckaert, CFO, WDP: No, no, no, no. We added it already to the pipeline and we then need to do the solar remediation and you have also you need to also build afterwards and that's why it takes a bit more time, but we are commercializing the project take a bit longer.

Joost Desender, CEO, WDP: No, we bought let's say, it's about two sites, one in Kreimbergen, One in Wellebruck. And let's say we bought the site, but we paid the land value by doing the soil cleaning. And so we paid nothing, but we pay now and during one point five, two years, it are two big brownfields. And let's say now we are preparing those for further development and we pay the value of the land by doing the soil remediation. And let's say because it are two really real brownfields, let's say the final point of the soil remediation is, let's say, putting concrete above and starting development.

So you cannot say, there, okay, I just do the soil remediation and I wait. No, the last part of the soil remediation is putting concrete on it and starting the building. And that's for two specific cases, one in Welenbrook and one in Rembergen.

Alexander, Investor Relations, WDP: The next question is coming from Vivien from Petercam.

Vivien, Analyst, Petercam: Hey, good morning. Thank you for the presentation. A few questions. I will start with the first one. Just on the dynamic in the demand, can you explain a bit, so we mentioned that there is improvement in some of the subsector, but is it already materializing or just see them as more, I would say, keen of having a negotiation going forward towards the site?

Thanks. Let me

Wim Levy, Analyst, KBC Securities: first one.

Joost Desender, CEO, WDP: Now if we mentioned that we see new activity in the leasings than it is indeed in the existing portfolio and more in smaller units. And for example, I give you an example. We have a small unit around 10,000 square meter in Arscott in Belgium. Well, there he will become free at the end of Q1. And first, the existing client said, hey, look, I want to stop and I go and consolidate somewhere else.

And then because it was a specific location, we have given an exclusivity to somebody until the January. And then this week also, let's say, the existing client came back to say, look, I have not enough place, so can I stay in the building? And in the meantime, there was already a third party. So we have three concrete interested clients who wants, let's say, to rent this space before it becomes free. And it's only a discussion now, who will take it, who will and it's not a price discussion.

It's only a discussion, do I need it, can I use it? So in those, I can give some examples about, let's say, new and renewed leasing activity.

Vivien, Analyst, Petercam: Right. Thanks. Then next one more on the investment part. When you look into the undisclosed bucket of 400,000,000, I see that you are targeting yields of 6%, seven %. Should we assume that this, what you call, tactical acquisition that you did at yield below 6% are less present in this bucket?

Or do you still target this? Because inside of Germany, you have reached more tactical acquisitions. So I would expect that you move more into the core plus value add segments?

Mick Wyckaert, CFO, WDP: That is correct and that's a reflection of that in the 6% to 7% NOI yield guidance on the 400,000,000. That's correct. It's a balanced mix between value add and core plus acquisitions and development projects.

Vivien, Analyst, Petercam: Thanks for the information. And then the last one, I'll leave the room afterwards. Coming back on TIMISORRA and I would say Ericsson (BS:ERICAs) dropping for terminated release, I think that for you, it's a no brainer. You have plenty of room. Just wanted to understand because I think that you move the delivery later to 2026 and then the investment plan change.

Are you able, I would say, to change the layout of the project to accommodate less, I would say, build to suit aspect? Or can you comment on that one? Thanks.

Mick Wyckaert, CFO, WDP: Yes, absolutely. And first of all, to give you some color on those amounts, we received the full indemnification of the for the discounted lease obligations of EUR 17,000,000 out of a project of million. Million was booked into the EPRA earnings and million was a compensation for the investments we need to make the reletting, the specific investments they require to the building. So that is all covered and that's also why the investment changed towards million. And yes, as always, regardless of the fact that we can sometimes do some extra investments for the client in a building for which we have coverage that they need to reimburse that.

We always think about the relatability and the reusability of the building and it's a top notch building which can be split in different components and it can be easily switched from semi industrial to more plain vanilla warehouse activities. And the timing is deferred into 26 to allow us of course to start the lienting and the adaptation of the building, which is a normal leasing process for a brand new building of 30,000 square meters.

Joost Desender, CEO, WDP: And for example, just some extra loading docks adaptation of offices. And I would say as from now, it's only an opportunity.

Vivien, Analyst, Petercam: Any reason why he terminated the lease? Can you comment on that one?

Mick Wyckaert, CFO, WDP: Yes, general termination of that specific business, not only for our building, but on other buildings also from our competitors due to competition for that business coming from Asia.

Stephen, Analyst, ABN: Thank you.

Alexander, Investor Relations, WDP: The next question is coming from Stephen from ABN.

Stephen, Analyst, ABN: So I have two types of questions. First, a clarification on the leasing market. Would you quantify how you expect occupancy and pre lettings to evolve in the coming quarters? So furthermore, how fast can you lease the Romanian site again? And is the ninety seven percent occupancy at year end a bare minimum or really a realistic number in your view?

So that's the first one.

Joost Desender, CEO, WDP: Well, I think we give always and we try to give realistic figures. So we think we are, let's say, sure that we will get back that extra 100,000 square meters. So it is realistic. And of course, we will try and we will see depending on how fast and how big we can re let that we can of course, let's aim to end higher. But let's say, reasonably, we think we will go to the 97%.

And yes, we there are we will see what the market gives. But today, we see it more in the smaller part of the business. And we think that together, let's say, with rents coming down, economy that then economy and first of all, consumer driven economy will reboost during the year. And Romania, yes, it is, let's say, our only real empty building. We have some smaller units from 3,000, five thousand, but let's say it's our only building, so we can fully concentrate on it and our teams are very positive that they would be able to rent it during the year.

But of course, like always, it is the same like with when something and somebody goes bankrupt, you cannot prepare that. You cannot pre let it or re let it when you are still under construction and let's say, one year pre let to somebody else. So you have to wait and we can just start now the letting process. So that will take always a little bit time. So we think we will need at least six to twelve months to re let it since we cannot do any preparatory work in advance.

Stephen, Analyst, ABN: Clear. And if I may, second one, could you please comment on your potential developments to be signed, so developments and acquisitions? How will your development pipeline likely look in, let's say, six or twelve months in terms of size, geography and yield and cost?

Joost Desender, CEO, WDP: If we would be able to give more info, then we should have put it in the secured pipeline. So it is just indeed we have LOIs, we have heads of terms, But of course, now we want and we have to finalize everything before we can communicate. But the fact that we put here EUR 400,000,000, let's say, that we are really working on every day, then it's really concrete. But of course, we cannot give more details about it. But there are some very nice developments in that 400,000,000.

Stephen, Analyst, ABN: Okay. Okay. Clear. Thank you very much.

Alexander, Investor Relations, WDP: The next question is coming from Galen.

Galen, Analyst: Good morning, guys. Thank you for taking my question. Just a couple. You commented in Q3 about customers adopting a sort of wait and see approach. Since then, arguably, we've seen a sentiment shift down with increased concerns about tariffs, trade wars, economic growth being downgraded in a few European countries.

What are occupiers saying today regarding their expansion plans? And does that concern you or weigh in your ability to potentially pre lease some of that development pipeline?

Joost Desender, CEO, WDP: Well, indeed, I think, let's say, it has been difficult six months for our clients, but now we feel with our clients that let's say, it is all stabilizing. Stocks came down, but they are now stabilizing. And yes, there are not the big new tenders. They are smaller tenders, some extras. But let's say, they see everything stabilizing and let's say stabilizing on a low level and they think, okay, going forward, there will come some extra stocks again.

People will start to invest again. So they are positive, but let's say it's for the moment stabilizing and everybody I think this is also important and something we see always that at, let's say, one of those challenging times that people stay where they are and they take care of what they have.

Galen, Analyst: My second question just on Page 19, the market insight slide. Vacancy rates are coming down in all of your markets, Barb, Belgium. I just wondered if you can comment on that there, what's driving that?

Alexander, Investor Relations, WDP: Yes. Maybe just to give you some color on the demand and the supply side. So on the supply side, what we have seen is that the vacancy rates have edged up year on year basically from the 3%, four % range up to 4%, five % range, slightly up. But on the underlying basis, specifically in Belgium is what we have seen is that a large proportion of that increased supply is basically the immediate result of clients that shifted from older buildings to the newer more efficient building. So it's more a grade D vacancy, which is hidden underlying in the global number or the proportionate number of the Belgian vacancy that went up to around 4% to 5%.

So that's basically the underlying reason. On the micro level market, when we screen the WDP markets where we are active, we're still comfortable. And then even in general, aside from Belgium, but on the Western European market, we see vacancy rates between 3% to 5% and there is no immediate risk of supply overhang. There is currently and that's on a global level on aggregate, there is roughly 6,000,000 square meters under development in all the WDP markets, which is 4% of the total supply and 70% is currently preload. So that actually says that on a stable take up level, you would assume that vacancy rates in a worst case scenario could edge up another 70 basis points approximately.

In Romania, you have vacancy rates even below 5% today and take up has done or far better than historically. And there you always have some supply overhang risk, which is significantly higher in the range of four to five percentage points, but that's nearly all coming from the supply from one of our competitors, which is more concentrated in the Bucharest West region. So that's something that we have been coping with for years.

Galen, Analyst: Okay. That's clear. And the last one. And one of the trends I think spoken about last year was the loss of interest from generalist investors, particularly in The U. S.

Towards the European industrial sector. Just wondered, has there been any kind of shift in sentiment since then? And given your confidence in this strong growth outlook for the next three years, what do you think these investors need to see to get interested again?

Mick Wyckaert, CFO, WDP: You mean generalist investors from The U. S?

Galen, Analyst: Yeah, generally.

Mick Wyckaert, CFO, WDP: I think, yeah, more clarity on what's how the general macro economy will look like and how the geopolitical situation will look like plus a clear path in interest rates?

Alexander, Investor Relations, WDP: The next question is coming from Suraj.

Suraj, Analyst: Just one question from me. Are you actually seeing any impact of leasing within your Romanian portfolio as a result of the ongoing political uncertainty in the country? I know earlier you mentioned that the 100,000 square meters is the main vacant area at the moment And you touched on vacancy being below 5%. But do you see this as a potential headwind in the near term?

Joost Desender, CEO, WDP: Not really, because let's say, except the Ericsson case, in general, our Romanian portfolio is very well leased and is, I think, the highest even in our countries. There are only some, let's say, smaller units that needs to be leased and where there is concrete negotiations to fill them up. In general, there were some questions, but it's not so impacting the world in Romania and absolutely not for existing. But I can I could imagine that for some really big investments in a country that they would wait until the new or until the result of the election, which is foreseen for May? But let's say Ericsson has nothing to do with the political environment or it was just because of competition of that business with Asia.

Suraj, Analyst: Perfect. Thank you.

Alexander, Investor Relations, WDP: The next question is coming from Paul May from Barclays (LON:BARC).

Joost Desender, CEO, WDP: Hi, guys. Just a couple

Paul May, Analyst, Barclays: of questions from me. A quick one on the leverage. What's your main focus for leverage ratios? Just thinking, obviously, leverage has gone up. And on the global context, particularly on net debt to EBITDA, you're considered quite highly leveraged against sort of global peers.

Just wonder what your focus is, whether it is net debt to EBITDA or if it's purely focused on LTV, which arguably is on a made up V number. I just wonder what your thoughts were there.

Mick Wyckaert, CFO, WDP: Yes. Actually, we've been thank you for the question, Paul. We have been seeding our capital structure already for many years based on net debt to EBITDA, where our capital structure target is around eight times and we are very comfortable with the current number and even give some leeway. And obviously, yes, it's a bit higher than our U. S.

Colleagues, I would say. But on the other hand, it's one of the lowest in the European space. And when we look at it, it's the real cash debt servicing capacity. And if we want, theoretically, we can pay the debt back in seven, eight years, which is a very comfortable situation. And so we are perfectly fine on that and steering the company on debt to EBITDA.

Paul May, Analyst, Barclays: And then in terms of, I suppose, the cyclical issues that you've seen development pre let's lower, like for likes lower, reversion lower and growth basically being driven by this increased leverage in terms of earnings growth, how do you see that over the Blend 27? I think you mentioned sort of leverage. It's basically being leveraged financed on that Blend 27. And just wondering your thoughts there as to how that's going to work with regards to your net debt to EBITDA?

Mick Wyckaert, CFO, WDP: But I don't think net debt to EBITDA will move a lot from here. When we say we from this point when the debt to EBITDA is 7.2 times today, when we say we invest 1,000,000,000 over the coming three years against 600,000,000 of equity coming in through retained earnings and scrip dividends. The debt to EBITDA is not going to move very far and it's not really like you mentioned debt financed or leveraged financed growth. It's balanced funded growth like we always do and we have the means in place.

Paul May, Analyst, Barclays: But

Mick Wyckaert, CFO, WDP: indeed you're probably referring to the fact that we added some leverage in 2024, which is right. But do not forget that we deliberately prepared for the reopening of the investment markets in 2022 and 2023 when we proactively deliberately over equitized when we in those years we invested EUR 1,300,000,000.0 against EUR 1,100,000,000.0 of equity to anticipate a reopening of the market and to put us on the very safe side of the metrics side. And then we said last year, now it's also time to activate that strong balance sheet and we have done that and we have you need to look at it over multiple years and then we have always applied a very healthy debt equity mix and keep leverage underlying in terms of net debt to EBITDA rather stable.

Joost Desender, CEO, WDP: And also

Alexander, Investor Relations, WDP: if

Joost Desender, CEO, WDP: I can, I would like to add? Just I would like to add because you see indeed the pre let ratio of the development pipeline came down a little bit, but that's also due to the fact that we started up some second phases of multi tenant sites like Embreda, like in Kerkraut, like the extension in Van Der Heel away. So there, let's say, it's kind of a big project of 30,000 square meters where we realized the first phase, the end of last year and which we are fully let. So nothing of the realized building were not let. They were fully let at the moment of delivery.

And now we start the second phase. And indeed then, of course, that second phase is not pre let. We just continue. And if we look to the whole project, we have a pre letting degree of, let's say, 50%. Everything which is built is let.

But now, of course, half of the building is in our existing portfolio and they are let. And now you see only, let's say, the empty part, the part that is start up. But so it's if you look to the broader picture, it's positive and it's not, let's say, really coming down the pre let ratio, except indeed the Alixom case.

Paul May, Analyst, Barclays: Okay. I suppose that's different to prior years when it's just been higher pre lets on those new things. But just a final one on the reconciling, I guess, valuations, not that we focus on it too much. Your valuation yields are still quite a bit inside where you've been acquiring what you consider core assets, particularly in France and Germany. So I just wondered at what point do acquisitions of core assets at higher yields feed through into your valuations and move your yields higher?

Just wondered how that dynamic is working because we're seeing that in other markets as well. Just wondered how you see that?

Mick Wyckaert, CFO, WDP: I think those investment deals that we acquired at around 5.3% are not that far off from the existing EPRA net initial yields including full occupancy of course. So that's a minor thing and let's and the market is in general also strong and coming have come back the liquidity to the markets and all the investment activity confirms the yields or the valuation yields in our accounts. And we have also never been the market makers of the prime yields. We also try to use our network and use the strength of our balance sheet to do good deals.

Paul May, Analyst, Barclays: Okay. I guess in the past you've always had quite a conservative valuation and it just looks odd that you're acquiring it materially or materially at least higher than where your valuations are. So it's just a slight shift to probably where you were in the past.

Mick Wyckaert, CFO, WDP: But it depends also on the metrics. But when you look at the current valuation, not only in EPRA net initial yields, for example, but on euro per square meter, the portfolio is valued at per square meter below for such a portfolio core Western Europe. That's a nice figure. And look at also the reversionary yields, which is the net reversionary yields is above 6%. We also need to take that into consideration as well.

Alexander, Investor Relations, WDP: Perfect. Thank you. And one more question on the chat currently coming from Frederic. Go ahead.

Mick Wyckaert, CFO, WDP0: Hi. Good morning. So maybe a first general question. So there was an article this morning on costar suggesting that in The UK subletting basis in logistic is taking up and continues to accelerate actually since 2011. In your portfolio, are you aware of any trends like this?

And have you heard something on the ground from your occupiers, which could explain maybe the stickiness you were describing of tenant?

Joost Desender, CEO, WDP: Not really. So I don't say that there is, let's say, never nowhere any sub leasings, but there is not a change in the trend, because indeed we also should know that if that happens because people have to let it know and we have to give an agreement in general. And our contract is mentioned that people have to propose it to us and that we have to agree if they want to sublet. But there is no really a changing in that trend. There can always be something depending on the moment or the growth or but there is no trend in subleasing.

Mick Wyckaert, CFO, WDP0: Okay. Perfect. Yes. Second question would be on the reversion. So if I look at the reversion, it went down from 13% to 11%.

Just wondering, is this an effect of the ability to capture the reversion over the year that you did? Or is it due to the fact that the indexation has actually been stronger than ERV growth? So basically, what I mean is that appraisal stabilizing to ERV despite your ability to drive the rent higher purely on indexation growth?

Mick Wyckaert, CFO, WDP: I think it's more a bit a mechanical effect because when you look at the indexation over the year contractual indexation was around 3% with end reversion and the ERV rise was two point was also around 3%. So that's more or less in line. And then it's the mechanical effect of adding new projects or acquisitions with more recently signed leases. I think the main message is that even after years of very nice annexation, we still have 11% reversionary potential to capture. And yes, rental growth is slowing, but note that when vacancy rates are below 5%, six %, you still have pricing power as a landlord and there is no discussion on pricing.

And the best reflection of further upside potential in the future is the fact that the replacement cost rents to have a profitable development scheme at the current land value plus construction cost is still much higher than ERVs for existing building. Just in general aggregated numbers, the portfolio is leased at 50. ERV for existing buildings is 60 and when you want to develop a building and to offer and when a client wants a new building, he needs to pay 70.

Joost Desender, CEO, WDP: That's the example in Belgium, but in The Netherlands and the other countries it's the same, but at other levels. And today what we see, Frederic is indeed, if there is, let's say, somebody interested in a building, then the question is, does he really need it now? Is he prepared to decide? But let's say almost no price discussions.

Mick Wyckaert, CFO, WDP0: Okay. That's clear. And maybe just on that, I know that last year you were communicating you were communicating on the yearly growth. I think last year was around 11%. Maybe I missed it in the press release, but what would be the yearly growth for this year in your portfolio?

Mick Wyckaert, CFO, WDP: You mean in 24% it was plus 3%.

Mick Wyckaert, CFO, WDP0: All right. And last question on my end. So do I understand well that you have identified all the potential development, potential acquisition for your 1.7 EPS in 2027? We are already in 2025, so that means that you seems to be ready well in advance. I'm just also questioning how prudent are you on this guidance for 2027% knowing that you will also acquire the 15% stake in Romania that you didn't have?

Thank you.

Mick Wyckaert, CFO, WDP: Yes. On the 15% stake in of the Romanian partner buying out the minority stake that is included in the guidance and that's not the big impact, it's per share. And on the outperforming, I'll leave it to you just to comment. Well, there

Joost Desender, CEO, WDP: I think it's fantastic. We are only, let's say, one year we started a new strategic plan one year ago. And after one year, we can say, look, we have everything, we have all the building's block insights. We just have to execute. We don't need to invest further.

No, we just have to execute what's inside. I think this is fantastic news for our teams, for you, the investors, so that we have say we have it all in our own hands. But of course, if there are unique opportunities, if we can do good deals, we will continue to do it. But it's not we can do it, but we are not we don't need to do it. So I think this is very good news after one year.

And then I know we now say internally and a lot of people are listening, they know that they just have to execute first and that there the value lies for the coming year.

Mick Wyckaert, CFO, WDP0: All right. Good luck. Thank you.

Alexander, Investor Relations, WDP: Thanks, Brett. We still have a few questions outstanding in the live chat. I'm not going to address each and every one of the questions because some of them have already been covered by the analysts. Maybe a first one for Mick. Is there a chance or Joost, is there a chance that the Dutch REIT regime could be reinstated in any form?

Mick Wyckaert, CFO, WDP: Yes, that could be, but not in the short to medium term. Yes, there is some analysis ongoing by the government and the but that will be a long project. But that will be a long project.

Joost Desender, CEO, WDP: We don't calculate on it.

Mick Wyckaert, CFO, WDP: We do not count on it. We do not count on it. Yes.

Alexander, Investor Relations, WDP: Maybe, Joost, just to give a few additional comments on the occupancy. How is it possible that from a slowdown in occupancy mentioned during the Q3 press release, we're already at an inflection point or near inflection in demand. KPIs are not suggested.

Joost Desender, CEO, WDP: Well, let's say, it's like we see and we feel the real world. Yes, there was some questions in last summer about what will happen, what will be the impact of the economic slowdown, who was there. And then indeed, let's say, after summer, we have seen that we got back some space, 100,000 square meters. And then indeed, that was so we could confirm the impact of that. And since then, we got no further just let's say, we report what we see in our portfolio and further on, we did not got any extra giving back further.

And it was, let's say, everybody was just staying, prolonging. And so that's just, let's say, the reality that we communicate. And it's also normal in an economic downturn that, let's say, people take care of what they have. They say, look, let's try to keep even, Let's say, when they could rent a cheaper building, they have to move that is CapEx, that is risks for their KPIs, then people stay. And don't forget, there is still a lot of scarcity.

When they give back a building, the chance that they can never re rent it later is very big. And before five years ago, you could say, look, I will give back 6% to a certain cell or whatever. It's better and I'll take it back within six months to one year. Well, now that's not possible anymore. When you give back something and it's rented, it can go away.

Don't forget the difference with former situations that the scarcity of land in Western Europe.

Alexander, Investor Relations, WDP: And then another follow-up question. Are we having are we giving any incentives to retain tenants to start?

Joost Desender, CEO, WDP: No, let's say when we are, absolutely not. On the contrary, we keep on discussing about rental growth. Of course, when we can do it legally, when we are at the end of the contract, then we keep on discussing, look, your rent today is too low, we have to hire the rent. So we still can today, in this environment, discuss about rental growth instead of incentives.

Alexander, Investor Relations, WDP: And then another question just on the occupancy. Do we see any other risk of further terminations in the short term?

Joost Desender, CEO, WDP: Well, no. Otherwise, we would have mentioned it. Today, we feel that and our teams really see that people are retaining and that they are staying in the portfolio. Of course, we can only look forward for six to nine months, like I mentioned, since people have to let us know six to nine months in advance what they want to do. So the next element or the next point is the end of the year, but people have only to mention it six to nine months.

But in our discussions and in the negotiations, we see with our clients, we see that people now say, no, situation is stable, okay, can be low, but stable, and we want to stay where we are.

Alexander, Investor Relations, WDP: Do we see any opportunities in data centers?

Joost Desender, CEO, WDP: Yes, of course, there are always. But let's say, it stays very an owner occupier market, where the big ones are really investing by themselves in their core. For them, it's really core. It's their core business, so they invest by themselves. And yes, for some, I would say, second tier or third tier providers, we can look at it.

But then indeed, it's not about the location, it's about availability of electricity and then also how near is the cable. And then, yes, you need just a location which becomes free with enough energy. And for example, in The Netherlands, this is a big problem, energy, all you can have the most nicest piece in Skokko. Well, all new data centers are forbidden in the Amsterdam region due to lack of electricity. So it's really a question of electricity and when there would be an opportunity, we will look at it, we will investigate it.

And if we can do it, we will do it. We have already developed twenty years ago a data center. But let's say, it's not one of the driving forces or we don't calculate on data centers to realize our growth.

Alexander, Investor Relations, WDP: And then we have another question coming from Kempen on where we expect the market vacancy to land before demand for of developments will pick up? And where do we see market rents versus inflation given the current dynamics? Maybe just to give a general comment, so on the developments under construction or what has been delivered in recent years in aggregate has been around 6% of total stock has been delivered every single year and that dropped now to 4%. So it's not to say that there are no new developments. I think in the market in general, this is just people are refraining from starting on a speculative basis, which is also reflected in the fact that the pre letting rates are currently at 70% and that developers in general are going to be less keen in the current geopolitical macroeconomic uncertainty to start on a spec basis unless there is something to add?

Joost Desender, CEO, WDP: No, I think indeed, let's say rental growth like Mikset is now I think it's coming down and normalizing, but still growing and more following inflation now. And then indeed for the rest, I think market trends will be the same as we mentioned for our portfolio. And of course, there can be differences in specific micro markets when there is but in general, we see developments are indeed more again if they are done build to suit and not speculatively the new ones. And it's more than if there are differences, then it is micro market driven.

Alexander, Investor Relations, WDP: And then a question on the achieved reversion in 2024 of 12% on the 500,000 square meters. How likely is it that we will be able to capture part of that 11% reversionary potential throughout 'twenty five?

Mick Wyckaert, CFO, WDP: Well, it's always difficult to comment on specific contracts countries or short term, but what we can say is that we look at it from an aggregated portfolio perspective and we said that one of the hypothesis in the growth plan throughout 2027 was to capture in the global portfolio of at that moment at the start 7,000,000 square meters, per square meter on top of inflation, which means in total 7,000,000 throughout the growth plan and we are well on track to achieve that. And it's for the current status is that we already realized 40% contracted 40% of that. Obviously, it's in general per square meter over the total portfolio, but it's always related in practice to a couple of contracts coming to an end date each year and we are well on track for that and that should then translate into forty, fifty bps above indexation in the like for like rental growth throughout 2027.

Alexander, Investor Relations, WDP: And then we have a few more questions on the 500,000,000 in exclusive negotiation, but as Jose already mentioned, we've provided as many details as possible. And if not, it would be already included in the pipeline in execution. Maybe just one more question to clarify on the ERV. Should we understand that they have been declining in Q4?

Mick Wyckaert, CFO, WDP: No, no. They went slightly up.

Alexander, Investor Relations, WDP: And then another question just on the general market. There is scarcity of land in Western Europe, but in the past five years, a lot has been built. Do you see any risk of

Mick Wyckaert, CFO, WDP0: overcapacity?

Joost Desender, CEO, WDP: No, absolutely not. On the contrary, land stays very scarce. And the stay there is, let's say, now a cyclical calming down of the market, but structurally, our market stays very healthy and structurally, the demand for warehouses and its value activities, production will stay there and will be needed in a world where, let's say, the omni channeling is still growing and the penetration degree of e commerce is still low. We are still that's still a positive trend there in the omni channeling of us as European consumer, for example, in food e commerce. And besides this, the continentalization, strategic stocks bringing back to Europe in case of And third thing, some reindustrialization, like, for example, the discussions today about the defense industry.

You read a lot about it. Yes, we as Europe have to build up again our own defense industry. Well, therefore, we will need production sites, we will need warehouses. So no, the structural trends stays really positive.

Alexander, Investor Relations, WDP: And this concludes currently the entire Q and A session. If there will be any open questions, feel free to reach out, of course. And then I would like to hand floor back to Joss for his final remarks.

Joost Desender, CEO, WDP: So thank you for attending today. And if I'm looking forward, I see three really positive elements. And we are growing towards a EUR 10,000,000,000 plus logistic real estate company. And that's good for investors, so we can create the big safe liquid play in Western Europe in logistics. That's what a lot of investors ask.

And it's also good for our clients, because then we can offer them more and more cross border solutions for which they are asking and coming to us. Secondly, I think we showed that we can grow further, but not only grow for growth, but really profitable growth. Like we showed besides the EUR 1,000,000,000 of last year that we have now an investment pipeline in execution of SEK1.1 billion at an NOI of 6.6%. So we can grow even when we become bigger. And when you become bigger, it's more difficult, but we stay continuing to grow profitably.

And like I just mentioned in the last question, all of this is only possible thanks to a structural long term good fundamentals of the logistic real estate sector. And yes, there is a limited cyclicality in our business, which result in to max 3% occupancy. So and that change in occupancy, we can handle always in the past today and in the future without changing our targets. Thank you for listening. And further on, if you have any further questions, Alexander, is yours.

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