Bio-Rad Laboratories Inc . (NYSE: NYSE:BIO) reported a robust financial performance for the third quarter of 2024, with net sales increasing to $650 million, a 2.8% rise from the previous year. The company's net income saw a significant surge to $653 million, largely due to a substantial gain from equity securities. Despite a one-time R&D expense, Bio-Rad's gross margin improved, and the company remains cautiously optimistic about a gradual recovery into 2025 while continuing to navigate challenges in the biotech and pharma sectors.
Key Takeaways
- Net sales increased by 2.8% year-over-year to $650 million in Q3 2024.
- Clinical Diagnostics segment grew 5.6% to $389 million, driven by demand for quality control products.
- Life Science group sales remained stable at approximately $261 million.
- Gross margin improved to 54.8%, up from 53.1% in Q3 2023.
- Operating income dropped to $64 million due to a one-time R&D expense.
- Net income surged to $653 million, with a gain from equity securities.
- Non-GAAP net income was $56 million, or $2.01 per diluted share.
- The company expects a revenue decline of 2.5% to 4% for 2024 but projects an increase in free cash flow.
- Bio-Rad repurchased 330,000 shares for $97 million and announced upcoming healthcare conferences.
Company Outlook
- Bio-Rad anticipates ongoing challenges in the biotech and pharma sectors with a gradual recovery expected into 2025.
- The company expects flat revenues sequentially in Q4 2024, with a conservative guidance approach.
- A focus on free cash flow and process chrome growth is anticipated despite ongoing destocking by customers.
Bearish Highlights
- Operating income was impacted by a significant one-time R&D expense.
- The company is facing headwinds for 2025, including market softness and challenges in Life Sciences and Diagnostics.
- Revenue decline of 2.5% to 4% is expected for 2024.
- Process chrome experienced a year-over-year decline due to customer destocking.
Bullish Highlights
- Equity securities contributed to a notable net income increase.
- Gross margin improved due to enhanced productivity and cost management.
- Non-GAAP gross margin guidance was raised to 55% to 55.5%.
- Free cash flow for 2024 is projected to rise from $218 million in 2023 to approximately $300 million.
Misses
- The launch of the QX system was delayed to refine its performance.
- The financial impact from a partner exiting donor screening is estimated to be in the low double-digit millions.
Q&A Highlights
- No current need to monetize the Sartoria stake despite its depressed market value.
- Inventory levels and free cash flow remain a focus, with gradual improvement expected as supply chain initiatives progress.
- China diagnostics market is not specifically affected by DDP but subject to broader market dynamics.
- A normalized tax rate for 2025 is projected around 22%.
Bio-Rad's third quarter earnings call underscored the company's solid financial performance and strategic focus on managing challenges within the biotech and pharma sectors. As the company navigates a competitive landscape and prepares for upcoming healthcare conferences, it remains committed to maintaining high product standards and adapting to market conditions.
InvestingPro Insights
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Full transcript - Bio-Rad Laboratories Inc (BIO) Q3 2024:
Operator: Hello, everyone, and welcome to today's Bio-Rad Third Quarter 2024 Results Conference Call and Webcast. At this time to get started, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, you will have the opportunity to ask questions during the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]. Please note today’s session is being recorded. And I'll be standing behind should you need any assistance. It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to Head of Investor Relations, Edward Chung. Welcome sir.
Edward Chung: Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us. Today, we will review the third quarter 2024 financial results and provide an update on key business trends for Bio-Rad. With me on the call today are Norman Schwartz, our Chief Executive Officer; Jon DiVincenzo, President and Chief Operating Officer; and Roop Lakkaraju, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin our review, I'd like to remind everyone that we will be making forward-looking statements about management's goals, plans and expectations, our future financial performance and other matters. These statements are based on assumptions and expectations of future events that are subject to risks and uncertainties. Our actual results may differ materially from these plans, goals and expectations. You should not place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements, and I encourage you to review our filings with the SEC where we discuss in detail the risk factors in our business. The company does not intend to update any forward-looking statements made during the call today. Finally, our remarks today will include references to non-GAAP financials, including net income and diluted earnings per share, which are financial measures that are not defined under generally accepted accounting principles. Investors should review the reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures to the comparable GAAP results contained in our earnings release. With that, I'll now turn the call over to our CEO, Norman Schwartz.
Norman Schwartz: Thanks, Ed. We certainly appreciate all of you joining us on the call today. To start, I mean maybe the best way to start out to say we had a solid quarter. Revenue better than what we had targeted and margins ahead of expectations, all driven by product mix, productivity gains and good cost management. Looking at our markets. The third quarter reflected a continuation of the market trends we've experienced over the last year across our business segments. It was nice to see our clinical diagnostics business back to normal, delivering stronger-than-expected year-over-year growth in the quarter. And I would say growth was broad-based across the portfolio in all regions with an outsized contribution of our quality control portfolio in Asia Pacific, helping to drive performance. We’re largely in line with expectations. Our Life Science group continues to experience a modest pace of recovery, reflecting ongoing soft demand in biotech and pharma and in China. We increasingly believe that the gradual pace of recovery likely continues into 2025 and weighs on the uptake of Life Science instrumentation over the coming quarters. Similar to the prior quarter, our process chromatography materials posted year-over-year decline related to ongoing destocking activities at several very large customers who previously overstocked due to the critical importance of our products for specific key therapeutics. Outside of these customers, we are starting to see a return to normalized ordering patterns and continue to anticipate a return to growth for our process media portfolio in 2025. Our Droplet Digital PCR franchise grew mid-single digits in the quarter and was bolstered by additional IP-related royalties. I would say despite the ongoing constrained funding environment for instruments, our ddPCR reagents and consumables continue to expand both quarter-over-quarter and year-over-year. Overall, we're continuing to see strong interest in our recently launched ddPCR assays targeted at the oncology and at the cell and gene therapy markets and continue to maintain a strong win-loss and loss ratio for our digital PCR platform in our current market segments. While we were pleased to see the positive trend for capital raises for biotech and biopharma markets continuing into the third quarter, I would note that customers remain cautious on the funding environment and conservative on capital deployment. Likewise, large pharma continues initiatives to reduce operating expenses in the form of corporate restructuring and R&D reprioritization. In the academic segment, we are seeing a slightly softer global funding environment after what I would call a long period of strong research support. In addition to the slightly lower-than-anticipated NIH budget for the year, key European markets, I would say, remain mixed with lower funding in Germany and the UK, offset by modest improvements in places like France and some other EU countries. And of course, the Asia Pacific remains challenging, reflecting the ongoing economic headwinds there. Operationally, we continue to progress our corporate transformation with efforts in supply chain and core process improvements continuing to support our stronger margins. Of note, during the quarter, we opened a new Asia distribution center in Singapore, which is a key component of our logistics network. This hub allows for efficiencies, enabling direct shipments to all Asia Pacific regions and generally simplifies our network and improves customer service levels. We also continue to expand applications both directly and through partnerships to advance our Droplet Digital PCR platform. We made an additional equity investment at OncoCyte (NASDAQ:OCX) focused on transplant rejection monitoring and launched the next in a series of Vericheck assays internally aimed at supporting the safe and effective production of cell and gene therapies. And related to the Continuum QXd-PCR platform in development, while we previously expected to launch in Q4, we've now taken the decision to postpone its introduction. So once we have a better line of sight for introducing the platform, we'll provide you an update on that. Additionally, we completed the acquisition of Sabre (NASDAQ:SABR) Bio, a novel platform utilizing our core Droplet technology that enables high throughput discovery of novel antibodies and T cell receptors. On balance, I would say our cost and productivity initiatives have paid dividends despite the challenging markets. And as we look forward and think about eventual market normalization for our Life Science business. We believe that Bio-Rad will further benefit from that top line leverage. So that about sums it up for me. I'd now like to turn it over to Jon. Jon?
Jon DiVincenzo: Thanks Norman for the introduction and thank you to everyone who's joined the call today. It is a privilege to address you for the first time as the President and Chief Operating Officer of Bio-Rad, a company I have known for over 30 years in my career in the life science tools market. And additionally as a customer over the last seven years while leading LabCorp's central lab business where my team enjoyed a strong relationship with Bio-Rad with both life science and diagnostic product groups. I've long considered Bio-Rad as scientific leader and I'm generally excited to join an organization with such a distinguished history extensive portfolio across the enterprise. Having been on board for -- and I'm thoroughly impressed by the dedication, innovation and resilience that find our company. As we navigate the continuing evolving industry landscape, I am confident that we are strategically positioned to achieve our goals and deliver sustained value to our stakeholders. My immediate focus is on profitable revenue growth, targeting growth rates at/or above market. I also share Norman and Roop's renewed commitment to consistently meeting our financial targets. Our dedication to operational excellence is steadfast we are concentrating on enhancing customer satisfaction and driving efficiency, while fostering a culture of continuous improvement. As you've seen this year this organization appreciates the opportunity to significantly improve our operating margin, we are targeting and executing continued margin expansion across our portfolio. In fact about a year ago, Bio-Rad introduced a new leader of global supply chain and manufacturing, Sedat Evran. Having personally previously worked alongside Sedat at PerkinElmer (NYSE:RVTY), I have complete confidence in the team he has established to continue driving margin expansion and delivering the highest quality products to our global customers. Thank you personally for your continued support and trust in Bio-Rad. I look forward to engaging with you more as I settle into this role, and I will now pass it on to Roop to review the financial results.
Roop Lakkaraju: Thank you, Jon and good afternoon. I'd like to start with a review of the third quarter 2024 results. Net sales were $650 million, which represents a 2.8% increase on a reported basis versus $632 million in Q3 2023. On a currency-neutral basis this represents, a 3.4% year-over-year increase and was driven primarily by higher sales in our Clinical Diagnostics segment. Sales of the Life Science group were approximately $261 million compared to $263 million in Q3 of 2023, which is essentially flat on a reported and currency-neutral basis. Currency neutral sales decreased in the Americas offset by the increase in EMEA. As Norman alluded to earlier, additional IP-related royalties contributed to the Q3 Life Science revenue, as well as gross margin performance. Note that royalties can vary quarter-to-quarter and on a full year basis, royalties generally represent less than 1% of our total revenue. Excluding process chromatography sales, which can fluctuate quarter-to-quarter our Life Science group revenue increased 3.5% year-over-year and 3.9% on a currency-neutral basis. Core Life Science growth was driven by consumable sales that improved low single digit sequentially and mid-single digit year-over-year. Sales of the Clinical Diagnostics group, were $389 million compared to $368 million in Q3 of 2023, which is an increase of 5.6% on a reported basis and 6.4%, on a currency-neutral basis. Growth of the Clinical Diagnostics Group was primarily driven by increased demand for quality control products, and a favorable compare for our immunology products that were affected by supply constraints in the third quarter of 2023. The Growth of the Quality Control Portfolio also benefited from the timing of shipments and contributed to the stronger pull-through consumables, during the quarter. On a geographic basis, currency-neutral year-over-year revenue for the Diagnostics Group posted growth across all three regions. We are pleased with the growth rate for the Clinical Diagnostics Group in 2024. As we think about 2025, we do see some potential headwinds impacting this business such as, China and one of our partners, exiting donor screening business. Q3 reported GAAP gross margin was 54.8% as compared to 53.1% in the third quarter of 2023. The increase in gross margin was primarily driven by improved productivity, lower logistics costs and a mix of revenue. The higher royalties contributed 30 basis points. SG&A expenses essentially flat between the third quarter of 2024 versus the year ago period. For Q3 2024, SG&A spend was $200 million or 30.8% of sales compared to $201 million or 31.8% in Q3 of 2023. The decrease in dollars of SG&A expense was primarily due to a reduction in discretionary spending and moderated employee-related expenses including, variable compensation. Research and development expense in the third quarter was $91 million as compared to $43.5 million in Q3, 2023. The higher year-over-year R&D was attributed to the onetime acquired in-process R&D expense of approximately $30 million, and a onetime decrease in the fair value of contingent consideration of approximately $15 million in Q3, 2023. Q3 operating income is approximately $64 million or 9.9% of sales compared to $91 million or 14.4% of sales in Q3, 2023. Lower operating income is driven by the onetime in-process R&D expense, which decreased operating income by approximately $30 million. This was partially offset by the revenue mix and continued proactive expense management initiatives. During the quarter, interest and other income resulted in net other income of about $18 million compared to about $20 million in the prior year. The effective tax rate for the third quarter of 2024 was 24.2% compared to 22.5% in the year-ago period. Tax rate reported in these periods was primarily affected by the accounting treatment of our equity securities and the geographical mix of earnings. The change in fair market value of equity security holdings, which are substantially related to the ownership of Sartorius AG shares, resulted in a $793 million gain and drove the reported net income of $653 million or $23.34 diluted earnings per share, compared to net income of $106 million or diluted earnings per share of $3.64 in Q3 of 2023. Moving to the non-GAAP results. Non-GAAP financial measures, which exclude certain atypical and unique items that impact both gross and operating margins and other income are detailed in the reconciliation table, in our press release. Third quarter non-GAAP gross margin was 55.6% compared to 53.9% in Q3 of 2023, reflecting the revenue mix ongoing focus on productivity and operating efficiencies. Non-GAAP SG&A in the third quarter of 2024 was 30.3% versus 31.7% in Q3 of 2023. Non-GAAP R&D as a percentage of sales in the third quarter of 2024 was 13.9% and compared to 9.2% for Q3 of 2023 primarily due to the aforementioned onetime in-process R&D expense. Third quarter non-GAAP operating margin was 11.3% compared to 12.9% in 2023. lower margin driven by the one-time acquired in-process R&D expense which reduced our Q3 non-GAAP operating margin by approximately $30 million or 450 basis points. This was partially offset by the gross margin improvement in cost management initiatives. The non-GAAP effective tax rate for the third quarter of 2024 was 28.8% compared to 23.9% for the same period in 2023. The higher rate in 2024 was driven by a geographical mix of earnings and the accounting treatment of the onetime in-process R&D expense. Finally non-GAAP net income for the third quarter of 2024 was $56 million or $2.01 diluted earnings per share compared to $68 million or diluted earnings per share of $2.33 in Q3 2023. Moving on to the balance sheet. Total cash and short-term investments at the end of Q3 2024 was $1.62 billion unchanged versus the end of Q2 2024. Inventory at the end of Q3 was $804 million essentially flat compared to the prior quarter. Inventory when adjusted for currency impact between Q2 and Q3 2024 would be down approximately 2%. For the third quarter of 2024 net cash generated from operating activities was approximately $164 million compared to $98 million for Q3 of 2023. Net capital expenditures for the third quarter of $24 million were approximately $40 million in depreciation and amortization was $39 million. Third quarter 2024 free cash flow was approximately $123 million which compares to $54 million in Q3 of 2023. For the full year 2024, we expect free cash flow to be approximately $300 million versus $218 million in 2023. As we look towards 2025 free cash flow will continue to be a key focus. Adjusted EBITDA for the third quarter of 2024 was $107 million or 16.4% of sales which includes the one-time in-process R&D expense. During the third quarter we repurchased approximately 330,000 shares of our stock for about $97 million at an average purchase price of about $293 per share. We continue to be opportunistic with our buybacks and still have approximately $577 million available for share repurchases under the current board authorized program. Moving on to the full year 2024 non-GAAP guidance. We are maintaining our full year 2024 revenue guidance with currency-neutral year-over-year revenue expected to decline 2.5% to 4% reflecting the slower gradual pace of biopharma end market recovery and growth for the Clinical Diagnostics group. We are increasing our full year non-GAAP gross margin range which we now expect to be between 55% 55% to 55.5% versus 54.5% and previously. The increase reflects a combination of revenue mix and the impact of cost improvements implemented. Similarly, we are increasing our full year non-GAAP operating margin to be between 12.75% and 13.25% and our full year adjusted EBITDA margin is now expected to be between 18.5% and 19% both include the Q3 in-process R&D expense which has an approximate 125 basis point impact. That concludes our prepared remarks. We will now open the line to take questions. Operator?
Operator: Gentlemen, thank you. [Operator Instructions] We'll hear first today from Patrick Donnelly at Citi.
Patrick Donnelly: Hi, guys. Thank you for taking questions.
Norman Schwartz: Hi, Patrick.
Patrick Donnelly: Maybe to pick up right when you left off there on the margin it was nice to see the gross margins in particular come through healthy there. Can you just talk about I guess it sounds like mix and productivity initiatives what you're seeing on the margins again obviously adjusted the guide a little bit there as well and just talk about the expectations here as we work away through the end of year and the right jumping off point for 2025? I know you've been there for a couple of quarters now. I'm sure a lot of time was spent in kind of analyzing the opportunities. I think our view and a lot of people's view there's a lot of margin leverage there. So maybe just a high-level talk about that. And again the right way to think about kind of the end of the year and jumping off into next year?
Norman Schwartz: Yes. Thanks Patrick. Appreciate the question. I guess multiple folds of the question. I guess, bottom-line is from a gross margin standpoint part of what we've talked about is the improvements we're making are sustainable improvements. And part of what we've been moderating or modulating is just the mix just because its higher consumables which are stronger margins lower box sales at this point. But keeping in mind that obviously we expect that that to turn at a future point. The other piece of this is when you look at some of the royalties we received in Q3 that was kind of onetime they were a bit higher. And again that's something that just is variable between quarters. So there's a number of different pieces but I think what is important is we've talked about sustainable improvements. We've made those sustainable improvements in terms of the cost structure within our factories and in our logistics environment. And I think that does carry forward into the New Year. I think as we think about 2025 if you look at kind of where we are centering you all kind of midpoint around 55% for the end of this year with that uptick that in the margin range that we've taken in the fourth quarter for the full year. I think that's a reasonable jump-off point for us and then how we -- and then the question is how much more room is there depending upon how 2025 looks and absorption and these sort of things. So hopefully that's helpful.
Patrick Donnelly: Yes. No, certainly is. And then maybe on the process chrome side obviously been a focus for a few quarters now. It sounds like maybe turning the corner a little bit. Some customers still on the destocking side. Can you just I guess talk about where we are there what -- if there's a percentage of customers you look at that are still kind of working through the destocking versus some level of normalcy? It would be helpful just to dive into that a little bit.
Roop Lakkaraju: Yes. So I guess we've seen sequential improvement. And of course we've talked about our bioprocessing being a bit unique compared to the broader market right? I think there are some others that are seeing some improvement. Ours is unique to where we play in the bioprocessing space if you will and specifically in that polishing stage. And so with the amount of inventory that our customers broadly bought in the prior years that destocking continues. Now, with all that said we are seeing improvement from the second half of 2024 versus the first half of 2024. We do think that those customers continue to make progress in depleting their inventory and getting back to a more reasonable or normalized buying pattern. But that's going to take through 2025 because different customers are depleting at varying rates and potentially into early 2026. But we do think and I think we said it in the call that there is growth that we expect in the process chrome for 2025 over 2024.
Patrick Donnelly: Yes, that's really helpful Roop. Thank you. And then one last one for Norman if I can. On the Sartoria stake certainly getting elevated level of questions on that over the past couple of months. Has your guys' view on that changed at all in terms of willingness to potentially monetize it versus hold it for the next few years Again it seems like it's rising in terms of investor topics. I just want to talk through that and your guys' commitment to it versus willingness to maybe look at some options. Thank you.
Norman Schwartz: Yes. I don't think that our view has really changed at all. It still is certainly a monetizable asset. Given where we are given our kind of cash position and so forth and the value of the Sartoria stake now seems to be rather depressed in the market, we don't see a need to do any monetization at the moment but it still is monetizable.
Patrick Donnelly: Great. Thank you, Norm. Appreciate it.
Norman Schwartz: Thanks Patrick.
Operator: Our next question will come from Dan Leonard at UBS.
Dan Leonard: Thank you. I just wanted to make sure I captured properly all your framing thoughts for 2025. You gave a few call-outs on revenue the equipment headwinds persisting in Life Sciences and in Diagnostics. I think you mentioned China and then ortho exiting the donor screening business. Are those -- is that a full fair summary of the call out? And is it possible to frame the magnitude of these headwinds versus what you would consider a trend line?
Roop Lakkaraju: Hey Dan it's Roop. Thanks for the question. I guess in terms of the list of items the general biopharma biotech market softness and maybe that's captured in your initial element there is one. And obviously the last comment around process Chrome where we think that there is some improvement that we expect to see in 2025. So, maybe I'll just add those and maybe they were implied in your list there. So, as we think about other items at this point, I think that's a good list. We are obviously going through our planning cycle still. I think it's a little early to give a much more concrete framing of 2025, but wanted to also help you all understand kind of the dynamics that we're thinking through as part of the plan and how 2025 might come together. With the understanding that we want to drive obviously top line growth and margin expansion as we move forward.
Dan Leonard: And Roop, you mentioned that free cash flow will be a focus in 2025. Is that a comment in relation to inventory days? And what is the plan there?
Roop Lakkaraju: Yes. It absolutely is a comment around inventory levels that we have and inventory churns I'll say, right or inverse of that being your days. I think it's not going to necessarily be a step function improvement Dan. We do expect a gradual improvement of that as we continue to have our supply chain initiatives focused in that area. And just as top line returns to growth and we can use that inventory towards supporting our customers.
Dan Leonard: Great. Thank you.
Roop Lakkaraju: Okay. Thanks Dan.
Operator: Our next question will come from Brandon Couillard at Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.
Brandon Couillard: Hi. Thanks. Good afternoon. Roop, the guide would seem to imply at least at the low end revenues kind of flat sequentially in the fourth quarter. Typically, you do see a seasonal bump. Is that just conservatism in terms of holding the range for the full year? And it sounded like there was at least some pull forward in diagnostics into the third quarter. Are you able to quantify that in any way?
Roop Lakkaraju: Yes. So, great catch on the range. It really is conservatism, Brandon. I think we want to leave ourselves, I think as you think about the midpoint of what we just painted, it's reasonable. I mean at the end of the day, the full year guide that we gave when we updated our outlook at the Q2 call, stays intact, right? So I think that's kind of where, I'd leave that. And I apologize. Can you -- pull forward. Yes, you listened carefully there. We did have a little bit of pull forward from Q4 to Q3 that customers kind of decided they wanted it sooner. In terms of quantification, it's in the low-single-digit millions. It's not that tremendous but it's obviously up significantly.
Brandon Couillard: Okay. That's helpful. And then in digital PCR, I guess nice to see it growing year-over-year. Are you seeing any green shoots in terms of demand? If you backed out the royalties in the period, was it still up year-over-year? And just what is exactly going on with the QX continual launch? I think Norman mentioned the decision to post Tonet [ph]. Is there a problem with the system itself? Is that a strategic decision? Just kind of unpack what's behind that deferral. Thanks.
Roop Lakkaraju: Brandon, maybe I'll start with your initial question and then I'll actually turn it over to Jon, who can give some further perspective. I think on the ddPCR area, so the pull ahead was actually not in ddPCR and what we are seeing is sequential improvement in Q3 over Q2. So again, it's gradual improvement. It's not overly significant. The second half is stronger than the first half. So we're seeing some progress but the rate at which it's happening, I think is pretty moderated. And so we're hoping for stronger kind of signals as we get into 2025 but we'll see. With that, Jon, I'll turn it over to you if I could.
Jon DiVincenzo: Yes, thanks. This is Jon DiVincenzo. As you can imagine when I joined at the beginning of September, various reviews of the portfolio and join Norman and Roop with review specifically and continuum. We still believe in the platform very much at this point, hearing from the team and a little bit of refinement, let's say, in the performance of the platform is kind of leading us to come be prudent and say, listen, we're still doing well in the marketplace. We're not seeing situation where we have to launch it right away. And as market leader, we want to make sure that we hit our kind of high product standards. So it's more refinement, I would say in the performance of the system.
Brandon Couillard: Okay. Thank you.
Norman Schwartz: Thanks, Brandon.
Operator: Jack Meehan with Nephron Research. Your line open. Please go ahead.
Jack Meehan: Thank you. Good afternoon. Wanted to ask about just the comment that you made about the China market for Diagnostics heading into 2025. You've had a few of your peers call out some DDP related pressure in the quarter. I was curious if that's what you're referring to or just latest on what you guys are seeing in the China market for Diagnostics.
Roop Lakkaraju: Yes. Thanks Jack for the question. And yes, it's not DDP related specifically right? And so we actually knock on wood haven't seen much effect to this point from a DDP standpoint. Our comment in calling out China probably similar to many others. There's a lot of different dynamics that are happening in China. And I think from a macro standpoint because there are so many different aspects to it just being very mindful of how that's evolving, what that impact is for 2025, and really beyond 2025. And so I think it was more of just pointing it out that it's still in flux from a broader market standpoint and therefore, it's things we're needing to consider and understand.
Jack Meehan: Great. And then I had a follow-up on process chrome. I just was hoping you could check my math. I was backing into something like a 40% decline in the quarter based on the headwind you talked about for the segment. Does that sound about right? And can you just talk about what the guide assumes for the fourth quarter for that business like in terms of the headwind?
Roop Lakkaraju: Yes. I mean really the headwind is not so much a headwind but just a rate at which customers are destocking and working their way through. From – as we think about the overall kind of decline. And you were saying on a year-over-year basis Jack is that correct?
Jack Meehan: Yes.
Roop Lakkaraju: Yes. I mean it's not as bad as the first step. It's obviously improved from a sequential standpoint but you're looking at the high 20s in terms of a year-over-year.
Jack Meehan: Okay. Great. And then last question is just the tax rate. I heard the factors you called out mix and the R&D, $30 million. What's like a good normalized tax rate to use as we look out to 2025?
Roop Lakkaraju: Yes. I mean again I think it's a little bit early on 2025 for me to give you specifics. We do see how our own plan comes together in the geographic mix of the income but somewhere around 22% is probably not unreasonable at this point in time just as a placeholder.
Jack Meehan: Perfect. Thank you.
Roop Lakkaraju: Welcome.
Operator: [Operator Instructions] We'll hear from Tycho Peterson at Jefferies.
Tycho Peterson: Hey, thanks. I want to push a little bit more on this continuum or maybe discontinue, given the kind of uncertain time lines here. Because normal you were saying in early September, you are reiterating the year-end time line. So I know you're saying it's fine-tuning. I mean why can't you put a time frame on it? Is it next year? Or is it beyond that? And then can you also talk on pricing in digital PCR? We have picked up that you guys have gotten a little bit more aggressive about discounting across the portfolio on digital PCR. I'm curious if you could talk on pricing?
Roop Lakkaraju: Yeah. We'll start with continuum. And so I guess I mean, Norman can quickly step in. I guess having been a part of some these conversations Tycho. I think part of this is Jon coming in with his eyes and experience and really evaluating where we're at. And at the end of the day, Bio-Rad is known to put high-quality products out there and that's obviously important. And we thought it didn't meet up to the standards at this point in time. And, therefore, we thought it was more prudent to delay the launch. In terms of -- listen I'll just be blunt. We've given numerous dates and those dates haven't come to fruition as you're pointing out. And so at this point, we think it's more reasonable to say let us work through it and this is an important area of the market. And will bring the market or the product out at the appropriate time and we'll obviously keep you informed of that.
Norman Schwartz: Okay. Yes. Sorry, Tycho.
Tycho Peterson: Go ahead Norm.
Norman Schwartz: Yeah. It's just a matter of -- you get to always get to that intersection of optimism versus precision, and we want to have a good product in the market.
Roop Lakkaraju: And Tycho I'll pick up your second question, and Jon and Norman please jump in. From a ddPCR pricing standpoint, overall we – yeah, obviously it's gotten to be a competitive marketplace. We recognize that. And in -- as a result of that, we want to be appropriately reactive to the market in terms of how it's moving. And so I think that's part of how we've approached it from a commercial standpoint.
Tycho Peterson: Okay. Follow-up and maybe this is splitting here too much, but on bioprocess you talked about inventory levels that your customers have and you talked about destocking continuing. That's in contrast to kind of what we hear from a lot of your peers. So can you maybe just touch on that dynamic?
Norman Schwartz: Yeah. Go ahead.
Roop Lakkaraju: It just has to do with the specific customers we have and the level of stocking that they took in this kind of very critical materials. We're just a little bit different than the rest of the market.
Norman Schwartz: And Tycho remember, we play -- we don't play broadly across all of the stages of the bioprocessing right? We're in a very specific area towards the end before the volume manufacturing of the therapeutics, right? So that's unique to us. And because of the importance of our resins our customers stocked up quite significantly and they continue to work their way through that.
Tycho Peterson: Okay. Last one, just wondering if you can quantify the impact of the partner exiting donor screening as we think about that going forward?
Roop Lakkaraju: It's in the low double digits kind of spectrum.
Tycho Peterson: Okay. Thank you.
Roop Lakkaraju: Millions, yeah.
Operator: And that was our final question from the audience for today's conference. Gentlemen, I'll turn it back to you for any additional or closing remarks that you have.
Edward Chung: Thank you for joining today's call. We'll be at the UBS Global Healthcare Conference in Palos Verdes next month and the Citi Global Healthcare Conference in Miami in early December. So we hope to catch up with some of you in person in the coming months. And as always we appreciate your interest and we look forward to connecting soon.
Operator: Ladies gentlemen, this does conclude today's Bio-Rad conference and we thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect your lines.
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