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Dover Corporation (DOV) reported its second-quarter earnings for 2025, surpassing analyst expectations with an adjusted earnings per share (EPS) of $2.44 compared to the forecasted $2.39. Revenue also exceeded projections, coming in at $2.05 billion against a forecast of $2.04 billion. Following the earnings announcement, Dover’s stock rose 2.68% in pre-market trading, reflecting investor optimism. According to InvestingPro data, Dover currently trades near its Fair Value, with analysts maintaining a bullish consensus and setting price targets between $168 and $232.
Key Takeaways
- Dover’s Q2 EPS of $2.44 beat the forecast by $0.05.
- Revenue reached $2.05 billion, slightly above expectations.
- Stock price increased by 2.68% in pre-market trading.
- Full-year EPS guidance raised to $9.35-$9.55.
- Strong growth in biopharma and data center products.
Company Performance
Dover Corporation demonstrated robust performance in the second quarter of 2025, with a 16% year-over-year increase in adjusted EPS. The company attributed its success to significant growth in its key platforms, including single-use biopharma components and thermal connectors for data centers. This performance aligns with broader industry trends favoring technological advancements in healthcare and data infrastructure. InvestingPro analysis reveals Dover’s strong financial health with a 39.3% gross profit margin and an impressive return on assets of 18.6%. The company has also maintained dividend payments for 54 consecutive years, demonstrating consistent shareholder returns.
Financial Highlights
- Revenue: $2.05 billion, up from $2.04 billion forecasted
- Earnings per share: $2.44, surpassing the $2.39 forecast
- Year-to-date free cash flow: $261 million, 7% of revenue
- Record adjusted segment EBITDA margins above 25%
Earnings vs. Forecast
Dover’s actual EPS of $2.44 exceeded the forecast of $2.39, marking a 2.09% surprise. This positive performance is consistent with the company’s historical trend of surpassing analyst expectations, underscoring its operational efficiency and strategic market positioning.
Market Reaction
Following the earnings release, Dover’s stock experienced a 2.68% increase in pre-market trading, reaching $196.02. This movement is notable given the stock’s recent decline of 2.89% from its last close of $190.90. The positive market reaction reflects investor confidence in Dover’s ability to sustain growth amidst macroeconomic challenges. With a market capitalization of $25.4 billion and generally low price volatility according to InvestingPro, Dover maintains a strong market position. Seven analysts have recently revised their earnings expectations upward, suggesting growing confidence in the company’s outlook.
Outlook & Guidance
Dover has raised its full-year adjusted EPS guidance to a range of $9.35 to $9.55, representing a 14% growth at the midpoint. The company anticipates 4-6% organic revenue growth for the full year and continued margin expansion. With $400 million in revenue under letters of intent (LOI) for potential mergers and acquisitions, Dover is poised for strategic growth.
Executive Commentary
CEO Richard J. Tobin expressed optimism, stating, "We’re approaching the second half of the year constructively despite some macroeconomic noise." He emphasized the importance of capital deployment, highlighting the company’s strategic focus on high-return investments. Dover’s financial strength is evident in its moderate debt levels and strong liquidity position, with current assets exceeding short-term obligations by 2.1x. Get deeper insights into Dover’s financial health and access comprehensive analysis with a InvestingPro subscription, which includes detailed Pro Research Reports covering 1,400+ top stocks.
Risks and Challenges
- Macroeconomic uncertainty may lead to project delays, particularly in refrigeration.
- Supply chain disruptions could impact production timelines.
- Competitive pressures in the data center market may affect pricing strategies.
- Fluctuations in input costs could challenge margin maintenance.
- Regulatory changes in key markets may pose compliance risks.
Q&A
During the earnings call, analysts inquired about the impact of tariffs, the potential of the data center market, and the timing of restructuring savings. Dover’s management addressed these concerns, reinforcing their commitment to strategic growth and operational efficiency.
Full transcript - Dover Corporation (DOV) Q2 2025:
Conference Moderator: Good morning, and welcome to Dover’s Second Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Conference Call. Speaking today are Richard J. Tobin, President and Chief Executive Officer Chris Wunker, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer and Jack Dickens, Vice President, Investor Relations.
After the speakers’ remarks, there will be a question and answer period. As a reminder, ladies and gentlemen, this conference is being recorded and your participation implies consent to our recording of this call. If you do not agree with these terms, please disconnect at this time. Thank you. I would like to now turn the call over to Mr.
Jack Dickens. Please go ahead.
Jack Dickens, Vice President, Investor Relations, Dover Corporation: Thank you, Stephanie. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining our call. An audio version of this call will be available on our website through August 14, and a replay link of the webcast will be archived for ninety days. Our comments today will include forward looking statements based on current expectations. Actual results and events could differ from those statements due to a number of risks and uncertainties, which are discussed in our SEC filings.
We assume no obligation to update our forward looking statements. With that, I will turn this call over to Rich.
Richard J. Tobin, President and Chief Executive Officer, Dover Corporation: Thanks, Jack. Let’s get started on Slide three. Dover’s second quarter results were strong, driven by excellent production performance, positive margin mix from our growth platforms and carry forward cost actions taken in prior periods. Top line performance accelerated in the quarter on broad based shipment growth and short cycle components and outperformance over secular growth exposed end markets. Order trends continued to be positive momentum in the quarter, up 7% year over year, bolstering our confidence in the second half outlook with the majority of our third quarter revenue already in backlog.
And as an anecdote, July orders are tracking really well going into the back end of the third quarter. Margin performance in the quarter was exemplary with a record adjusted segment EBITDA margins above 25 as a result of prior period portfolio actions, positive mix from the growth platforms and our rigorous cost containment and productivity actions. Adjusted EPS was up 16% in the quarter. Our solid operational results were complemented by ongoing capital deployment actions. We continue to invest in high ROI organic capital projects, including productivity and capacity expansion as well as targeted footprint optimization.
During the quarter, we also completed two acquisitions of attractive fast growing assets within our high priority Pumps and Process Solutions segment. Our balance sheet strength remains an advantage that provides flexibility as we pursue value creating capital deployment to further expand our businesses in high growth, high margin areas. We are approaching the second half of the year constructively despite some macroeconomic noise underlying end market demand is healthy and is supported by our sustained order rates. As a result, we are raising our full year adjusted EPS guidance to $9.35 to $9.55 which is plus 14% for the full year at midpoint. Let’s go to slide five.
Engineered Products revenue was down in the quarter of lower volumes in vehicle services. We did see improving sentiment in vehicle services as the quarter progressed, most notably in North America where book to bill was north of one. Margin performance of the segment was up on structural cost management and productivity. Clean Energy and Fueling was up 8% in the quarter led by strong shipments fluid transport and North American retail fueling software and equipment. Margin performance was solid in the quarter, up 80 basis points on volume leverage, higher mix of below ground fueling equipment and restructuring benefit carry forward.
Imaging and ID was stable on growth in our core marking and coding business, partially offset with timing of textiles. Margin performance remains exemplary in the segment at 28% adjusted EBITDA margins and management actions on cost to serve and structural cost controls continue to drive incremental margins higher. Pumps and Process Solutions was up 4% organically on double digit growth in single use biopharma components, thermal connectors for liquid cooling of data centers and digital controls of midstream natural gas compression. Industrial pumps posted solid results as well and as forecasted the long cycle polymer processing equipment business was down year over year, though quoting activity improved in the quarter and book to bill was ahead of one. Segment revenue performance including the acquisition of Secora and volume leverage drove margin improvement on excellent production performance of volume and secular growth exposed end markets.
Revenue was down in the quarter in climate sustainability on the comparative declines in food retail cases and engineering services, which more than offset the record quarterly volumes in CO2 systems. Heat exchangers was up sequentially and year over year on record quarterly shipments in North America, where we are actively increasing capacity to accommodate growing demand tied to liquid cooling of data centers. Shipments of heat exchangers for installation in European heat market heat pumps was down slightly in the quarter, but are expected to inflect positively in the second half of the year. Despite the lower top line, the segment posted 60 basis points of margin improvement against a difficult comp period on productivity actions and a higher mix of CO2 systems. I’ll pass it on to Chris here.
Chris Wunker, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Dover Corporation: Thanks, Rich. Good morning, everyone. Let’s go to our cash flow statement on Slide six. Year to date free cash flow was $261,000,000 or 7% of revenue, up $41,000,000 over the prior year as year over year improvements in operating cash conversion more than offset expected increases in capital spend on growth and productivity projects. We expect cash flow generation to accelerate in the second half of the year in line with historical trends as seasonal working capital liquidation in the third and fourth quarters should more than offset continued investments in productivity, capacity expansion and cost structure optimization projects, which are expected to generate meaningful benefits into 2026 and beyond.
Our guidance for 2025 free cash flow remains on track at 14% to 16% of revenue on strong conversion of operating cash flow. With that, let me turn it back to Rich.
Richard J. Tobin, President and Chief Executive Officer, Dover Corporation: Okay. Let me try as I might on bookings. Let’s give this one a whirl here. Here we provide more detail than usual, although I guess the reaction is murky in the second quarter. Q2 consolidated bookings were up 7% over the prior year.
They were also up sequentially, marking a continued momentum across our business. Year to date book to bill is above one across all five segments with particular strength in our highest margin and secular growth markets, an encouraging sign as we move into the second half. Let’s go to slide eight. Slide eight, which highlights several of the end markets that are driving our consolidated growth forecast and our margin between end market data and our customer forecast and our own booking rates, are encouraged by the outlook in the broader industrial gas complex with cleaner energy components and precision sorry, clean energy components, single use biopharma components, CO2 refrigeration systems and inputs into liquid cooling applications of data centers, which includes our large heat exchanger business. We have made significant organic and inorganic investments behind these markets and they remain one of our highest priority areas for investment going forward, which we’ll talk about in a minute.
In aggregate, these markets now account for 20% of our portfolio and drive attractive margin accretion and expected double digit growth, which I think we’re on track as of the close of Q2. Let’s go to nine. Our organic investments remain our highest priority of capital deployment. We are moving forward and in fact accelerating a number of organic investments despite the near term uncertainty in the macro sentiment. Here we show some of our most meaningful and high ROI capital projects that we’re undertaking in 2025.
You’ll see a healthy balance between growth capacity expansions behind some of our highest priority platforms as well as productivity and automation investments including rooftop consolidations. So, we put in the press release that we were tallying up these savings and provide an update in our next quarterly call as to the absolute quantum of the savings roll forward benefit into 2026. Suffice to say that given the scale of the projects, we expect the savings to be meaningful. This is in line with our goal each year to drive non revenue profit generation through fixed cost reduction programs. So, we’re kind of midstream.
Let’s deal with the footprint projects and the reshoring. We’re in good shape in terms of the timing. As Chris mentioned, that is going to be reflected in our cash flow or our CapEx projections for the year. So, the timing of it and some of these projects are quite complex when we talk about going from eliminating six rooftops, for example. By the time we get to Q3, we’ll have an idea of the timing of the roll forward of these benefits that are not will we catch a bit of it in Q4?
Maybe, but the vast majority of it will the non revenue profit of these restructuring. So, what you’re going to see between now and the end of the year is the CapEx inflect up and the restructuring charges come as we start to take down some of these operations. What was the total roll forward this year?
Chris Wunker, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Dover Corporation: About $30,000,000 $30,000,000
Richard J. Tobin, President and Chief Executive Officer, Dover Corporation: of savings are reflected in this year’s accounts. That’s why you see with at least year to date not a lot of revenue growth. I think we’ve got easier comps in the second half of the year, but you see the margin accretion and meaningful contributor to some of those margins is last year’s roll forward. I would expect that next year would be the same if not better. The biggest single project that we have is one of the rooftop ones.
We’ll probably catch that in the latter half of next year. But let’s go to slide When we take a look at what we’ve taken every year in terms of margin expansion, I mean, it’s close to 100 basis points a year. A good portion of that is revenue mix, a variety of things that we’re doing in the portfolio, but a meaningful portion of that is, let’s call it productivity. And our business model continues in its current trajectory of improving the portfolio, upgrading the mix within the individual segments. We also look and put goals on the businesses of meaningful productivity, of which a lot of it is things like rooftop consolidation and the reduction of fixed costs.
So, can’t give it to you now because I don’t want to give you a number that’s incorrect. But we think that at minimum, the benefit in ’26 is going to be the same excuse me, the minimum that we’re seeing in ’25 will be 26, but the total quantum is going to be larger. That’s what’s in the pipe. It’s just a question of do we realize it in 2026 or 2027. Okay.
Now I got myself off the script. I’m sure that’s upsetting to everybody. You know what? I’ll take slide 11. The bottom line is if you look at the margin accretion here, it’s upgraded mix.
I’m talking about 25% productivity, all the things I just talked about. There’s the look for the back half of the year. So, we’re not calling for any margin dilution, but you can see in terms of what our organic growth rate is the year, the back half largely because of the acceleration on our growth platforms and easier comps that we had in the back half of last year. That’s why you see the organic growth estimate for the last year. We can go to Q and A in a second, whether there’s anything more meaningful there.
Oh, I’m sure what do we use for the back half for dollar dollar euro in the back half?
Chris Wunker, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Dover Corporation: Yes, we have a range of outcomes, but one of them was carrying forward current rates.
Richard J. Tobin, President and Chief Executive Officer, Dover Corporation: Right. So look, we back tested the volatility in the first half of the year and then used that for the second half of the year, I can’t predict FX. So, using prevailing spot rates for the whole back of the year based on the volatility we saw at the beginning of the year, I think is a bit ambitious. And if FX rates at least dollar euro stays the same, then that’s good for translation and maybe gives us 100 basis points of increased revenue in the back half. So, I’m sure we can beat that to death in the Q and A.
So, why don’t we go to Q and A? Jack?
Conference Moderator: Thank you. Our first question will come from Mike Halloran with Baird.
Mike Halloran, Analyst, Baird: Hey, good morning, everyone.
Unidentified: Good morning. Good
Unidentified: Hey, a couple of clarifying questions. First, talk about pretty happy with the trajectory through the quarter. It’s tough organic order comps, but could you just give us a sense for how you thought things played out sequentially through the quarter relative to previous expectations and frame how things have changed from your perspective going into the back half of the year versus not? It seems like you’re at or above the trajectory you would have been talking about entering the year with the original guide. Just had to deal with some volatility in the middle, but any context there would be great.
Richard J. Tobin, President and Chief Executive Officer, Dover Corporation: I’d like generally speaking with all the noise around tariffs and price cost and everything else, clearly, the margin performance through the first half of the year is slightly above expectation. Now, said that, we’re beginning to lap comps on biopharma and everything else. So, that’s a big contributor to the mix benefit. I think the only portion of the portfolio that is a little lighter in terms of volume would be cryogenic components because there seems to be a lot of notional backlog based on talking to our customer that’s kind of sliding to the right. I think that we commented that at the beginning of the year.
I think the traditional refrigeration case business is behind and that’s a pretty big business. That is we would have thought that revenue performance there would have been a little bit better, but because of margin mix across the portfolio, Anecdotally, that business is not dilutive to our margins anymore, but it’s two for one a little bit between the precision components and the data center business. So, overall, I mean, I think our expectation in core refrigeration is clearly now going to be behind what we thought at the beginning of the year. But because the growth platforms are so accretive to our margins, 100 basis points there is 200 basis points on Refrigeration. So, optically on book to bill, it’s 20,000,000 I think that’s the difference for the quarter between I guess I should have stopped the last shipment of the month somewhere, because then we would have been at one and then we won’t be hammering that issue.
Year over year on H1 to the kind of on the sequential, we’re still up overall on book to bill. And as I said, we went and polled everybody because we haven’t closed July yet, but nobody said that the momentum on bookings was poor. So, we’re starting off Q3 on a bookings basis and it looks good.
Unidentified: So, maybe you could bridge the first half to the second half or sorry, what’s changed in the guidance is maybe the better way to put it.
Richard J. Tobin, President and Chief Executive Officer, Dover Corporation: Well, mean, we’re ahead. Yes, mean, we’re ahead, right, on where we thought we would be, So all we’re doing is roll forward rolling forward where we’re kind of ahead into the back half. Now the question is and we deal with this every year, we deal with at the end of Q3, we will look where we are on bookings momentum and then we’re going to make we’re going to decide what we’re going to do in Q4 of whether we will cut production performance and maximize cash flow for the year. But we won’t make that decision until probably mid this quarter based on bookings momentum and backlog.
Unidentified: If I put it in the context of what’s changed though, it’s you took away the cautionary language from last quarter on the growth. You had Secura, maybe
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Unidentified: little movement on FX. I don’t really want to blame
Chris Wunker, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Dover Corporation: 1%. Bottom line
Unidentified: yes, bottom line is no real change to the momentum you would have been talking about other than removing the cautionary language?
Richard J. Tobin, President and Chief Executive Officer, Dover Corporation: Yes. I mean, look, I mean, we’re EPS at midpoint is 14%. We’re aiming towards the top of the range, which is 16% year over year, which will put us in terms of top quartile to our comps.
Unidentified: Perfect. Yep.
Jeff Sprock, Analyst, Vertical Research Partners: That’s what
Mike Halloran, Analyst, Baird: I Thank was looking you.
Conference Moderator: Thank you. We’ll take our next question from Chris Snyder with Morgan Stanley.
Chris Snyder, Analyst, Morgan Stanley: Thank you. I wanted to ask about competitive dynamics in the market. You guys have a lot of North America production. You guys compete against a lot of smaller competitors. Are there any verticals where you’re starting to see share shifts?
Or maybe it’s still too early for that? And is there any change you’re seeing in the price environment post de escalation? Thank you.
Richard J. Tobin, President and Chief Executive Officer, Dover Corporation: Okay. Well, I mean, clearly, on price total cost, we’re in a positive position. So, would expect we don’t see any particular headwinds coming either way and we are pretty much out with our total pricing that we’re putting out. So, we expect some accretion in terms of the margin unless something unknown pops up in terms of price cost. Yeah.
I mean, our business model is competing with smaller competitors and that allows us ability to either extract pricing or manage input costs probably more effectively. Can’t say yet about share because we won’t because the dynamic of the restock at the beginning of the Q1 had a lot of kind of restock in there and now you’re just basically booking and shipping based on current conditions of demand.
Chris Snyder, Analyst, Morgan Stanley: Thank you. Appreciate that. And then maybe just a follow-up on some of the prior questions around the back half. So there’s a lot of moving parts here with price, FX, acquisitions. Could you just kind of maybe level set what the guide calls for in volumes in the back half of the year and kind of how that compares to where volumes have been tracking out in the first half?
Thank you.
Richard J. Tobin, President and Chief Executive Officer, Dover Corporation: There’s no dramatic change. So, we’ve made up kind of some headwinds. I’ve mentioned refrigeration. We’ve made some headwinds in terms of demand and vehicle services, at least in the first half. There is amount of rotation because I think that Q1 in biopharma was probably that was a little bit of restocking just because you can see from some of the market participants that are calling for kind of there was a restocking in terms of Q1 and now it’s pretty the growth rate there is probably going to come down in the second half of the year, at least in terms of comps, because biopharma and to a lesser extent, thermal connectors had begun to grow.
So, the relative outperformance will kind of flatten out in the second half of the year. And then, of the businesses that have not been as strong in the first half will start to come back. That’s mildly dilutive to consolidated margins, but not dramatically.
Chris Snyder, Analyst, Morgan Stanley: Thank you.
Conference Moderator: Thank you. Our next question will come from Steve Tusa with JPMorgan.
Jack Dickens, Vice President, Investor Relations, Dover Corporation0: Hey, good morning. Hi.
Unidentified: So I just wanted to dig into the margins a little more. In the second half here, I mean, you’re coming from a pretty good base. I think you had said on the last call or maybe in the follow-up with Jack that the total segment incremental would be below just below 40 because of these tariff dynamics. I think where you are today kind of the jumping off point of the 2Q suggests something a little better than that. Maybe just some rough guidance around what you would expect for total segment incrementals this year for 2025?
Richard J. Tobin, President and Chief Executive Officer, Dover Corporation: Yes, sure. I mean there’s total incrementals and then there’s five business incrementals. And I think as I just said, because of the relative growth rates between H1 and H2, your incremental is going to come down because they’re lower margin businesses as opposed to we got off to a really good start in DPPS, for example. So that’s going to just flatten out relatively based on the contribution of relative contributions to those revenues. But as you can see, so it’s mix at the end of the day.
When you look at slide 11, we’re calling for everything to be up, but incremental in aggregate is going to come down. That’s kind of what we’re looking at. And look, you know this. I mean, we’re a bit of a short the portfolio is more short cycle now than it was in the past just because of the contribution of the longer cycle businesses and because really there’s no lack of capacity in the market for most of the products that we have. Lead times and visibility going forward on the portfolio is a little bit more difficult.
So we’re almost kind of guessing every 90 days of how cycle is going to go. We’re not going to try to manage the total EBITDA margin of the portfolio. We do it at the business level on contribution margin, but we don’t try to do it at the total. So, could it be better? But I think the caution based on the forecast that we have today of the relative contribution, it’s more mix related than pricing or input or anything else.
All of that is covered in the full year EPS.
Unidentified: Right. It just seems to me though that you’re I think you’re trending like 23.220.6%, something in that range first half. Your second half just kind of seasonally should be better than that is my guess on the second
Richard J. Tobin, President and Chief Executive Officer, Dover Corporation: Well, but you need what you need to understand, and I hope it’s not the case, but if we look and we think that we can catch up on our backlog in Q1, we’ll dial down the we’ll flush as much inventory as we can and keep that production performance for 2026.
Unidentified: Okay. And then just one last question. You’re going to be exiting, I think, like above a 5%, a mid single digit type of organic growth rate in the fourth quarter. You’ve talked about the cost savings, you got a little acquisition tailwind. I mean, should we think about next year kind of the EPS algo being pretty similar to this year?
Maybe a
Richard J. Tobin, President and Chief Executive Officer, Dover Corporation: little I bit got to say, with the margin performance and I don’t see any reason for that to come down, a full year of this incremental margin plus a bigger cost savings target roll forward, we’re very excited about what the incremental margin on revenue is going to track to in 2026.
Unidentified: Got it. That’s not murky. That’s crystal clear. Thank you.
Richard J. Tobin, President and Chief Executive Officer, Dover Corporation: That’s yes. Touche. All right. Next.
Conference Moderator: Thank you. Our next question comes from Nigel Coe with Wolfe Research.
Mike Halloran, Analyst, Baird: Thanks. Good morning, guys. So Rich, pricing obviously really good and it price sounds is pretty much set here, no surcharge rollback etcetera. I think the one business that is lagging behind is CST, probably because demand is quite weak there. But I’m just wondering if there’s scope for pricing at CST to improve for the year.
Richard J. Tobin, President and Chief Executive Officer, Dover Corporation: Let me see. I’m going pull this apart here. Yes. I mean, CST is more absorption right now because the core business is 20. Core business is 20.
And that is with a lack of and I think we’re just going to have to wait for Belvac volume to come back and we’re not even modeling that in at all for the balance of the year. And you were coming off a very big margin on heat exchangers during the torrid days of heat pumps in Europe that is slowly coming up as that market comes. That’s a 25% EBITDA margin business. It’s not there today, right? So, as it ramps back up and it’s going to ramp back up for two reasons that heat pumps are coming back, but they’re way below they were with the peak.
But we don’t have a ton of dilution there because the data center portion of that business, which is accretive as a product line there comes back. So, we believe right now making that margin considering the headwinds we had to peak and the fact that we brought back the traditional case business at the volume that we thought we were going to have this year, which I mentioned before that is slow, that’s 20% EBITDA margin. So, it’s just all mix right now. We’ve got plenty of room to move it up.
Chris Wunker, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Dover Corporation: Also a segment obviously we talked about we’ve done a lot of structural cost work. We’ve got a good tailwind from mix on our CO2 product line. So, we’re also seeing some positive trends there as well.
Richard J. Tobin, President and Chief Executive Officer, Dover Corporation: The single biggest productivity project that we have on that Slide nine is in that segment.
Mike Halloran, Analyst, Baird: Okay. Yes. But the question is more about pricing. I think price was 0.2
Richard J. Tobin, President and Chief Executive Officer, Dover Corporation: It’s all at the margin.
Mike Halloran, Analyst, Baird: Okay. Okay. Then a quick one, just going back to biopharma. You talked about the first half, second half with the restocking, etcetera. But there has been a bit of noise in some of the biopharma more life sciences and biopharma.
Just wondering, are you seeing any project pushes, etcetera, because we are hearing a bit of noise in those markets?
Richard J. Tobin, President and Chief Executive Officer, Dover Corporation: Yes, it’s really hard for us. I mean, we look at the same people that you look at, they’re customers of ours. Remember that ours is more weighted towards in use product than it is for new builds. As long as the machines that have been delivered are out there and they’re running, it’s consuming our product. It’s not on marginal build of new product.
Mike Halloran, Analyst, Baird: Okay, very clear. Thanks, Rich.
Richard J. Tobin, President and Chief Executive Officer, Dover Corporation: Thanks.
Conference Moderator: Thank you. We’ll move next to Andrew Obin with Bank of America.
Jack Dickens, Vice President, Investor Relations, Dover Corporation1: Yes, good morning.
Jack Dickens, Vice President, Investor Relations, Dover Corporation0: Hi.
Jack Dickens, Vice President, Investor Relations, Dover Corporation1: So the question is, can you talk about any tariff uncertainty impact on orders in the quarter as best as you can tell? And what I’m trying to get to is that was there any pull forward or do you mainly see delays in pushouts?
Richard J. Tobin, President and Chief Executive Officer, Dover Corporation: More of the pushouts.
Jack Dickens, Vice President, Investor Relations, Dover Corporation1: And is there a specific vertical or
Richard J. Tobin, President and Chief Executive Officer, Dover Corporation: Yeah, I mean, it’s on refrigeration. The non CO2 portion of refrigeration has been lighter. Projects that we had scheduled based on customer discussion slid to the right, which is not it’s the retail to the consumer portion of the market companies have more pressure at the end of the day. So to see it in retail food is not surprising overall. And we look at it as a kind of a proxy.
We’re shipping CO2 systems at a robust rate. You need cases when you do those systems. So it’s just a lag effect.
Jack Dickens, Vice President, Investor Relations, Dover Corporation1: And then just follow-up on the push out. And did you also on cryogenic, is it LNG that’s being pushed out?
Richard J. Tobin, President and Chief Executive Officer, Dover Corporation: Yeah, mostly. The system, the infrastructure build is taking a little bit longer than we would have thought, and we’re kind of some of the last things that go in there, including transport. So it’s still good. It’s just not as robust as customer communication would lead to.
Jack Dickens, Vice President, Investor Relations, Dover Corporation1: Well, let me ask you a question about a business where there are probably a little bit more growth. What were bookings for data center exposed businesses and specifically thermal connectors and SWEP? You’re adding capacity in both. So fair to say you believe in the data center build out?
Richard J. Tobin, President and Chief Executive Officer, Dover Corporation: Yeah. I mean, for our small portion of the billions of dollars going into it, yeah. I mean, what’s our growth rate on thermal connectors year to date? 50. 50.
50.
Jack Dickens, Vice President, Investor Relations, Dover Corporation1: And SWAP?
Richard J. Tobin, President and Chief Executive Officer, Dover Corporation: Well, I’m sure the percentage is very high, but it’s smaller.
Chris Wunker, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Dover Corporation: Smaller starting point. Right.
Jack Dickens, Vice President, Investor Relations, Dover Corporation1: All right. Thanks so
Jack Dickens, Vice President, Investor Relations, Dover Corporation0: much. Thanks.
Conference Moderator: Thank you. We’ll take our next question from Jeff Sprock with Vertical Research Partners.
Jeff Sprock, Analyst, Vertical Research Partners: Hey, good morning, everyone. Hey, Rich. One place where you did confuse me and maybe I haven’t had enough coffee this morning. But just on the on the restructuring, just to be clear. So you’re you’re saying the the wraparound actions from last year’s work is a is a $30,000,000 benefit this year.
And at this point, on the stuff that you’re working on this year, see at least $30,000,000 next year. Is that correct?
Richard J. Tobin, President and Chief Executive Officer, Dover Corporation: Yes. As before, I think the number is going to be bigger. We just want to get the timing of how much is captured in ’26 and what the full roll forward is into ’27. Right. You’ll be able to and you’ll see it because you’ll see it in our CapEx number and you’ll see it in our cash flow when we do the restructuring.
Jeff Sprock, Analyst, Vertical Research Partners: And what is the sort of the uncertainty in your mind and kind of tallying up the current actions? Obviously, you would have undertaken those with a return expectation. Is there some really big variability in how these projects really manifest or the fruit that they bear?
Richard J. Tobin, President and Chief Executive Officer, Dover Corporation: Yeah. The footprint ones are difficult. These are building new factories at the end of the day. So, we’re very careful about the timing. It’s not the return.
The return is going to be material. It’s just how much do we get in 2016. And then, can’t treat all of it as restructuring, so because you have to run redundant capacity. So, there’s actually a negative cost as you’re completing these things. But in terms of where we’re tracking on the projects themselves, we’re all I guess, we’re more in front than we are behind.
That’s why I think that we tipped up CapEx forecast for the year is to accommodate that.
Jeff Sprock, Analyst, Vertical Research Partners: Right. So, the dust should settle on all that as we exit ’26, and we should see sort of full run rate in ’27, and that’s the number you’re going to provide for us on the third quarter.
Richard J. Tobin, President and Chief Executive Officer, Dover Corporation: Yes. I’m to give you a best estimate at this coming quarter and then when the timing is.
Jeff Sprock, Analyst, Vertical Research Partners: Okay. Great. And then I’ll just pick the nid on the FX just one more time so I’m clear. So your prior revenue forecast of two to four assumed no FX, I believe, right? And the four to six now has one point of FX in it.
Is that correct?
Richard J. Tobin, President and Chief Executive Officer, Dover Corporation: Yeah. Yeah, that’s correct. But the way to look at it and it’s written down somewhere is basically taking average FX year to date and using that number for the second half.
Mike Halloran, Analyst, Baird: Yes. Okay.
Jeff Sprock, Analyst, Vertical Research Partners: All right. Thanks a lot. I’ll leave it there. Appreciate it.
Richard J. Tobin, President and Chief Executive Officer, Dover Corporation: Thanks.
Conference Moderator: Thank you. We’ll move next to Deane Drett with RBC Capital Markets.
Jack Dickens, Vice President, Investor Relations, Dover Corporation2: Thank you. Good morning, everyone.
Richard J. Tobin, President and Chief Executive Officer, Dover Corporation: Hi.
Jack Dickens, Vice President, Investor Relations, Dover Corporation2: Hey, just want to circle back on this high growth opportunity in data center. Can you size for us what it is today combined between the thermal connectors and heat exchangers? What percent of revenues? And would you ever set up like a dedicated team to go after this opportunity? I mean, there’s industry estimates that there’s nine years of backlog.
It just seems like are you doing enough to capture your share of wallet?
Richard J. Tobin, President and Chief Executive Officer, Dover Corporation: I’m not going to monetize it for you, Dean, but I can tell you that we are the leaders in the connectors and probably co leader in the heat exchangers for the market size. We’ve built out capacity and are building out capacity to accommodate what the projected volumes are. So, I don’t expect from a market share point of view that we’re going to not be able to compete. I just think that we’ve got to be careful with this. We saw all those announcements about EV battery plants that turned out to be a lot lower.
And I’m in no position to say. So, we have dedicated teams for both those product lines. So, we’re known well. It’s just very difficult to believe what the size of the capacity that’s going to go in. I hope it’s higher, right?
But we are in front. We are over capacitized in both those products.
Jack Dickens, Vice President, Investor Relations, Dover Corporation2: That’s really helpful. And then if we start thinking about pump margins going forward, how much like, I’ll call it project selectivity, are you avoiding some lower margin business and just being able to get a mix up in terms of the types of platforms that you’re now targeting?
Richard J. Tobin, President and Chief Executive Officer, Dover Corporation: Yeah. I mean, if you go back to slide 10, that’s part and parcel to kind of the business model, what we’ve gotten out of. You can’t see what we’ve gotten out of inside those individual segments, but we’ve exited quite a few business lines or geographies based on returns over time. And that is something that never ends. And then it becomes a question of at what point do you exit businesses like we exited Environmental Services Group that was actually accretive to our margin, but it just wasn’t going to carry the valuation for us to do it.
So, that’s kind of what we do on the portfolio side. Recycle the total cash flow of the business and then kind of if we do this correctly, rotate into higher margin portions of the portfolio.
Jack Dickens, Vice President, Investor Relations, Dover Corporation2: Great. Thanks for that color.
Richard J. Tobin, President and Chief Executive Officer, Dover Corporation: Yes. Thanks.
Conference Moderator: Thank you. Our next question will come from Brett Linzey with Mizuho.
Jeff Sprock, Analyst, Vertical Research Partners: Hey, good morning all. Wanted to come back to tariffs. You had previously sized it at $215,000,000 annualized. I think there was $60,000,000 from just the one product line you’re looking to reassure. I guess first any update on the $60,000,000 And then more broadly, did you remark the tariffs back to the higher rates or did you let it flow throughout these lower levels for the balance of the year?
Richard J. Tobin, President and Chief Executive Officer, Dover Corporation: Wish we made paper clips because it would be easy, right? There’s a competitive dynamic. There’s positioning. There’s whether you want to grab market share and everything else. I think in terms of the reshoring, we’re on track there.
We actually subsequently to Q2 close, I think we put in some more pricing there because of the dynamics of the business, which I won’t get into. It just gets to the point where you start trying to parse this across this portfolio. When we have the advantage in that particular market, we should be able to price in excess of any input costs. If it’s hyper competitive, then we’re to have to mop it up in terms of productivity actions. That’s why having those productivity actions every year is a little bit of a hedge for the dynamics of the marketplace anywhere.
So, the reason we didn’t put a slide there, we could argue this thing into the dust. We don’t think there’s anything in the back half of the year that’s an additional headwind as it relates to tariffs and you can see the margin performance through the first half and our margin performance on the forecast that we think that that dynamic will continue. At that point, it’s just going be relative comps that you see outperformance and underperformance relative to H1.
Jeff Sprock, Analyst, Vertical Research Partners: Got it. Thanks. And then just a follow-up on the July order strength encouraging to see. Are there any specific segment drivers? Was it fairly broad based?
And then I guess is your assumption you’ll grow orders year over year in Q3, Q4 this year?
Richard J. Tobin, President and Chief Executive Officer, Dover Corporation: With a margin of error of 100 basis Yes, right now we’re tracking that would indicate after July that book to bill is going to be solid.
Jeff Sprock, Analyst, Vertical Research Partners: All right, great. Thanks.
Richard J. Tobin, President and Chief Executive Officer, Dover Corporation: You’re welcome.
Conference Moderator: Thank you. Our next question will come from Joe O’Dea with Wells Fargo.
Jack Dickens, Vice President, Investor Relations, Dover Corporation3: Hi, good morning. When you think about the demand impact of elevated uncertainty and tariffs and just as you’ve had conversations with customers over the course of the last couple of months and talking to your business leaders, what is it that folks are now looking at most closely that would drive some relief from the uncertainty overhang on demand?
Richard J. Tobin, President and Chief Executive Officer, Dover Corporation: Well, I mean, we deal with some incredibly large customers that I’m sure cost of capital is important in a variety of other things. So, one could argue that there’s some very large projects that are waiting for cost of capital to come down to make the projects return higher. There are some customers that have significantly higher exposure to tariffs than we do, right? And then they’re trying to manage that situation. So, it becomes a very big plethora.
In any given year, when you have a mix of kind of consumable businesses and project businesses, they tend to run the same. There’s really very few outliers. And I said it at the end of Q2 or end of Q1 that you could sense some reticence in bigger projects because of a variety of different reasons. It doesn’t mean the projects go away, but there’s just a little bit of a drift to the right. In our particular case, nothing really changes in the second half than we from our first half trajectory because we are not I don’t think our expectations for retail refrigeration are going to be the same, right?
There’s only six months left, so that’s going to drift to the right. But we have so many businesses with so many fingers and so many pies, there’s no overriding nature other than just macro uncertainty, but we seem to be doing reasonably well. Like I said, the back the second half of the year is just an element of higher core growth rate just because of mix and comps.
Jack Dickens, Vice President, Investor Relations, Dover Corporation3: Then just a clarification related to that. So, the revenue growth, the two to four going to four to six, that move
Richard J. Tobin, President and Chief Executive Officer, Dover Corporation: Yes, one point of FX, point acquisition and then comps, the other two. And
Jack Dickens, Vice President, Investor Relations, Dover Corporation3: so that is yes, you haven’t taken out the point of conservatism that you put in a quarter ago. It’s FX.
Richard J. Tobin, President and Chief Executive Officer, Dover Corporation: Well, I mean, optically, yes, we have. But it is basically the same forecast in terms or one point. It depends if you want to take bottom quartile or top quartile. If it’s six, we add it back.
Jack Dickens, Vice President, Investor Relations, Dover Corporation3: Got it. Okay. Thank you.
Jack Dickens, Vice President, Investor Relations, Dover Corporation1: Welcome.
Conference Moderator: Thank you. We will take our next question from Julian Mitchell with Barclays.
Unidentified: Hi, good morning. Maybe just wanted to understand again, realize there’s a lot of moving parts and so on. But is the broad brush organic sales growth assumption that you accelerated slightly from first to second quarter year on year on organic revenue firm wide, you have a gradual acceleration in the third and then a sort of larger step up in the fourth quarter. Is that the way to think about it? And I suppose the more back end loaded type ramps are at DEP and DCST.
Richard J. Tobin, President and Chief Executive Officer, Dover Corporation: Generally, yes. I think if there’s any conservative what you could call conservative in the back is we’re going to get FX wrong and it’s going to be what current spot is. Yes, it’s in our lower margin businesses, which by the way, I mean, no one said anything that we hit 25% EBITDA in consolidation, which no one would have thought not too long ago. Yes, it’s just a little bit of mix relative to the total revenue. I don’t think we did leave ourselves some room in Q4, but we talk about this every year.
We’re going to make a decision in another month or two what the strategy is going to be. If we see an acceleration in order rates during Q3 leading into Q4, we may take production performance up in Q4, which is positive from a margin point of view.
Unidentified: That’s helpful. Thank you. And then just we can see the sort of headline bookings number for the second quarter and you talked a little bit about July. Was the broad sort of sense of demand in recent months, the book to bill, I suppose in the second quarter, a touch below plan, but nothing to get worried about. And overall demand was fairly steady across your sort of largest customer categories in recent months.
I guess, there any sign of sort of volume elasticity as price started to move up? Anything like that that sort of changed in the last couple of months?
Richard J. Tobin, President and Chief Executive Officer, Dover Corporation: Well, look, we’ve tried to pick apart this book to bill based on seasonality. And if you go back over time, it’s actually down in Q2 and then ramps up in Q3. But the only one that I would say is that from bookings we would have thought in Q2 that refrigeration would have been better. So, we’ve taken out our full year forecast in refrigeration, just not the CO2 business because the margin was actually up, but on just the standard case business, I think it’s running out of time to meet our expectations that was built into the forecast. Then, as I mentioned before, the portfolio arguably is more short term today than it was in the past.
And we’re not worried about bookings in the quarter and the fact that it’s begun to ramp up. If you back test that over the last five years, it’s doing what it always was. So, no, I don’t think anything has changed in terms of booking. We always worry about we’ve had great bookings that does it just come down in the back half of the year as our customers clear the inventory. We don’t generally what we almost take it ninety day in increments from where we are.
So, on what we see in July, we’re encouraged by the trajectory of the bookings.
Unidentified: That’s great. Thank you.
Richard J. Tobin, President and Chief Executive Officer, Dover Corporation: You’re welcome. Thanks.
Conference Moderator: Thank you. Our final question will come from Scott Davis with Melius Research.
Jack Dickens, Vice President, Investor Relations, Dover Corporation0: Morning, guys. Hey, Final question. Last but not least, I hope. But,
Jack Dickens, Vice President, Investor Relations, Dover Corporation2: anyways. Yeah. We
Jack Dickens, Vice President, Investor Relations, Dover Corporation0: just went through an entire call and no one asked about M and A, which I find kind of interesting because the portfolio
Unidentified: I don’t
Jack Dickens, Vice President, Investor Relations, Dover Corporation0: think can drive 16% EPS growth forever, without a healthy dose and velocity of M and A. So you know, the Sicoras deal looks interesting. Are there other Sicoras out there? How do you guys kind of think about that? And do you disagree with my statement, I guess too because
Richard J. Tobin, President and Chief Executive Officer, Dover Corporation: I’m glad you asked it. Yes, look, I mean, at the end of the day, we never get any credit for capital deployment. So that’s just the way it is to a certain extent at all. I will tell you that we’ve got close to $400,000,000 in revenue under LOI, meaning that we’ve got letter of intents on a total of $400,000,000 worth of revenue. Realistically, I can tell you I’ve got 50,000,000 but real M and A that gets consummated within six to eight months.
Will we transact on all of them? No. But can we transact between now and the end of the year on it? Absolutely, we can. Capital deployment is important to us.
I think the nature of our capital employment is going to be what you’ve seen over the last five years. So, no big swings, but part and parcel for us to continue driving the margin up of the portfolio, M and A is a factor. There’s been not a lot of deals out there. So, this notion of what is customer expectation and the deals aren’t coming to market because everybody’s waiting for the cost of capital to come down, blah, blah, blah. But the deals that we have out there are for the most part are proprietary deals.
They’re not auctions. Nature of the businesses are low in execution risk because of the size of the deals. So, I feel pretty good despite the lack of deals coming to market. I like the ones that we’ve got in the pipe.
Jack Dickens, Vice President, Investor Relations, Dover Corporation0: Yeah, that makes sense. Hey, I got to ask this question. I mean, mentioned 20% of your portfolio growing double digits, but it’s several growth platforms. It all makes sense. But what does that imply for the other 80?
And know, the simple answer is always GDP, but not all our children can be above average. So what do you think about the other 80% in aggregate? And I guess maybe a different way to ask questions, what do you think your entitlement growth rate is in this new portfolio? Because has, Dover has changed a fair amount since you’ve gotten there.
Richard J. Tobin, President and Chief Executive Officer, Dover Corporation: Yeah, I mean, don’t want to back into the GDP one. Think what’s important in terms of the platforms is four of the five are organically driven. So in terms of what that growth four out of the five is a reflection of that we actually have stepped up R and D over the last six years. So, that’s the fruits kind of our own labor, which I think is sometimes lost in the conversation. The only one of those on Slide eight that is largely driven by M and A is the Clean Energy Component business, which has changed the dynamics of the value of what was the Fueling Solutions business.
So, yeah, I mean, we don’t want to go through them one by one, but we have different business models that we’re running here. We’re running some that looks like they don’t grow, but it’s us just exiting portions of those portfolios that just are never going to reach the value that we want. So, if you went back and looked over time of the clean energy business and you take away the acquisitions that were made there, we willingly shrunk portions of that business. Same thing with Refrigeration. We exited, I would venture to say a couple of 100,000,000 worth of revenue because it wasn’t providing the returns that we wanted.
And that’s why you see the margin accretion in that business go significantly higher than where it was in the past. So, I know it’s hard to read through because it looks like, hey, wait a minute, this thing doesn’t grow. But we’ve been up until very recently shrinking organically to willfully drive value within the portfolio by bringing the margins up, which I think we like the businesses that we have now. And I think go forward, you’ll see the real organic growth rate as opposed to kind of us cleaning up the portfolio over time.
Jack Dickens, Vice President, Investor Relations, Dover Corporation0: That makes a ton of sense. I appreciate the integrity of the answer and the honesty. So thanks.
Richard J. Tobin, President and Chief Executive Officer, Dover Corporation: Thanks, Scott.
Conference Moderator: Thank you. That concludes our question and answer period and Dover’s second quarter twenty twenty five earnings conference call. You may now disconnect your line at this time and have a wonderful day.
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