Earnings call transcript: First Foundation posts Q2 2025 loss, stock dips

First Foundation Inc. (FFWM) reported a net loss for the second quarter of 2025, falling short of analyst expectations. The bank’s earnings call revealed an adjusted core after-tax net income of $1 million, translating to $0.01 per share, against an expected EPS of $0.02. The company’s revenue also came in lower than anticipated, leading to a pre-market stock decline of 1.85%, with shares trading at $4.78. According to InvestingPro analysis, the company is currently trading near its Fair Value, with a market capitalization of $400.4 million.

Key Takeaways

• First Foundation reported a Q2 net loss of $7.7 million.
• Revenue and EPS fell short of forecasts, with a significant earnings surprise of -550%.
• The company’s stock fell 1.85% in pre-market trading following the earnings release.
• Digital banking deposits surpassed $1 billion, marking a significant milestone.
• First Foundation aims for net interest margin expansion by year-end.

Company Performance

In Q2 2025, First Foundation faced challenges, reporting a net loss of $7.7 million compared to a net income of $6.9 million in Q1. The bank’s focus on digital banking and wealth management showed progress, with digital deposits exceeding $1 billion. Assets under management slightly increased to $5.3 billion, reflecting the company’s strategic initiatives. InvestingPro data reveals the company has experienced a significant revenue decline of 51.18% over the last twelve months, though analysts expect profitability to return this year. Get deeper insights with InvestingPro’s comprehensive research report, available for over 1,400 US stocks.

Financial Highlights

• Revenue: $51.42 million, below the forecast of $64.7 million.
• Earnings per share: $0.01, missing the forecast of $0.02.
• Net interest margin: 1.68%, a slight increase from the previous quarter.

Earnings vs. Forecast

First Foundation’s actual EPS of -$0.09 fell significantly short of the $0.02 forecast, resulting in a surprise of -550%. The revenue miss was also notable, with a 20.53% shortfall from expectations. This performance marks a departure from the company’s recent trends of meeting or exceeding forecasts.

Market Reaction

Following the earnings announcement, First Foundation’s stock dropped 1.85% in pre-market trading, reflecting investor disappointment. The stock’s movement is notable given its proximity to the 52-week low of $4.42, highlighting market concerns over the company’s financial health. InvestingPro analysis shows the stock trading at a low Price/Book multiple of 0.41, with analyst price targets ranging from $6 to $8.50, suggesting potential upside. The company’s overall financial health score is classified as weak, based on comprehensive metrics available on InvestingPro.

Outlook & Guidance

Looking ahead, First Foundation expects its net interest margin to exit 2025 between 1.8% and 1.9%. The company plans to exit its CRE held-for-sale portfolio by year-end and anticipates balance sheet stabilization in Q4 2025. These strategic moves aim to drive margin expansion and core fee income growth.

Executive Commentary

CEO Thomas C. Schafer acknowledged the disappointing earnings but praised the team’s efforts in executing the strategic plan. He stated, "While the headline earnings were not where we want them to be in the second quarter, First Foundation’s employees deserve credit for all the hard work put into accomplishing several critical components of our strategic plan." CFO Jamie Britton added optimism about future margin expansion.

Risks and Challenges

• Continued pressure on net interest margins could impact profitability.
• Market volatility and economic uncertainty may affect loan demand.
• High concentration in commercial real estate poses potential risks.
• Competition in digital banking and wealth management remains intense.
• Regulatory changes could impact operational strategies.

Q&A

During the earnings call, analysts questioned First Foundation’s balance sheet optimization strategy and management turnover. The company detailed plans for reducing high-cost deposits and confirmed loan yields exiting the quarter just under $4.70. These discussions highlighted ongoing efforts to strengthen financial performance and operational efficiency.

Full transcript - First Foundation Inc (FFWM) Q2 2025:

Conference Operator: Greetings, and welcome to the First Foundation’s Second Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Conference Call. Today’s call is being recorded. Speaking today will be Thomas C. Schafer, First Foundation’s Chief Executive Officer and Jamie Britton, First Foundation’s Chief Financial Officer. Before I hand the call over to Mr.

Schafer, please note that management will make certain predictive statements during today’s call that reflect their current views and expectations about the company’s performance and financial results. These forward looking statements are made subject to the Safe Harbor statement included in today’s earnings release. In addition, some of the discussion may include non GAAP financial measures. For a more complete discussion of the risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from any forward looking statements and reconciliations of non GAAP financial measures, please see the company’s filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. And now I would like to turn the call over to CEO, Thomas C.

Schafer.

Thomas C. Schafer, Chief Executive Officer, First Foundation: Thank you, operator. Welcome and thank you for joining First Foundation’s second quarter earnings call. On today’s call, we’ll provide updates about our financial and operating performance for the second quarter in addition to discussing the strides we are taking towards accomplishing our strategic initiatives. Central to our remix of the balance sheet, during the quarter we executed two important transactions. In April, we sold $377,000,000 of held for sale CRE loans.

And in June, we securitized an additional $481,000,000 of held for sale CRE loans. These sales along with planned CRE runoff built on the success we’ve had since the fourth quarter and reduced our commercial real estate concentration to 365% of regulatory capital from a high of over 600%. Importantly, the transactions also allowed us to pay down $975,000,000 of higher cost deposits. These balance sheet actions had a limited positive impact to net interest income this quarter, but will improve net interest margin moving forward and we are reiterating our NIM guidance of a 1.8% to 1.9 margin by the 2025. During the second quarter, we posted a net loss of $7,700,000 after posting positive net income of $6,900,000 in the first quarter.

While the second quarter earnings were not where we’d like them to be, we believe this quarter’s core financial performance was stronger than the headline indicates. And I would also like to highlight that from a strategic standpoint, this quarter was on plan and keeps First Foundation on a good path to delivering stronger earnings and more sustainable profitability in the future. As I previously mentioned, the bank was able to reduce its commercial real estate held for sale loans by a total of $858,000,000 during the second quarter. The execution on the April loan sale was less favorable and impacted pretax income by 11,800,000 during the quarter. We experienced a modest gain from the June securitization of $200,000 If we simply adjust our earnings for the net one time impact of the two loan transactions and the losses from the related hedge, core after tax net income was $1,000,000 or $01 per share.

Adjusted pre provision net revenue was $3,600,000 or a 12 basis point pre provision net revenue return on assets. As of now, we have a high degree of visibility on executing and an additional securitization before the end of the year. And our expectation is to be fully out of the held for sale commercial real estate portfolio by the 2025 as we previously communicated. Given our favorable experience in the securitization market, first in December and again in June, we expect pricing on the incremental securitization to be competitive. Said differently, material upward move in rates aside, we believe the negative capital and earnings events from the rundown of these commercial real estate loans should mostly be behind us.

We made additional progress in reducing our CRE concentration ratio during the second quarter to 365% versus over 400% in the prior quarter. And from a growth perspective, we funded $256,000,000 of new loan balances in the quarter priced at an average yield of 7.18%, of which approximately 80% were C and I loans. Loans held for investment decreased in the second quarter primarily due to $392,000,000 of payoffs. Non performing loans were stable at 35 basis points and net charge offs remained low at just $135,000 Our ACL position on loans increased four basis points to 50 basis points when compared to the prior quarter. Most of the quarterly ACL build was the result of higher reserves for new C and I loan originations and increased model calculated loss factors in the commercial loan portfolio.

A review of our CECL methodology is anticipated to be completed by the end of the year and we expect our loan origination levels, mix and overall credit performance to be the main drivers of our longer term allowance levels. Our continued focus on reducing our CRE concentration and growing C and I loans should result in a higher ACL over time, all else being equal, as we have previously disclosed. We are excited to be spending an increased amount of time and energy on some of our previously communicated Phase two strategic initiatives, including fully leveraging our markets, improving core funding and accelerating growth in FFA and private banking. Assets under management at the end of the quarter ended the quarter at $5,300,000,000 which was up slightly versus the linked quarter and compared to $5,400,000,000 at the end of the year. Trust assets under advisement closed at $1,200,000,000 relatively stable versus the prior quarter.

During the second quarter, we saw positive cross selling trends within FFA in our commercial banking platform. We have a building pipeline of referrals that we have already onboarded new wealth management relationships as a result. As we think about First Foundation’s future and our value proposition to our clients, we believe our reenergized focus on private banking in our demographically attractive markets will build significant long term value for our firm and our shareholders and bring added support to our wealth management clients and team. Our efforts to further invest in client relationships also continued to show tangible progress in our deposit base. Partly offsetting our high cost categories and MSR deposit runoff was a modest increase in combined retail specialty and digital banking deposit balances.

As a result of the quarter’s growth, we are pleased to report that digital banking deposits surpassed $1,000,000,000 for the first time since the channel’s launch and represent 12% of total deposits as of June 30. Our ability to grow our relationships in these core channels and exit higher cost deposits elsewhere in the portfolio resulted in another quarter of moderation in our total deposit costs, which fell to 2.95% versus 3.04% in the prior quarter. Our loan to deposit ratio continues to be steady at approximately 94%. Lastly, I wanted to highlight that we remain strongly capitalized following the common equity raise completed in July. Even after some of the moving parts on our balance sheet over the past few quarters and limited net income, our common equity Tier one ratio is at 11.1% and our Tier one leverage ratio is at 8.3%.

Since initiating our strategy in Q3 of last year, our CET1 ratio has improved approximately 140 basis points. You have no doubt seen our recent management departures. Change is expected, especially when you’re changing your operating models. We’re at the end of two important executive level searches for the Head of Consumer, Private and Small Business Banking as well as Chief Credit Officer. We are encouraged by the extraordinary talented leaders interested in joining our company who will help our team transition to the next chapter.

I hope to announce their arrivals and tell you more about them in the very near future. I’ll now turn it over to Jamie for a

Jamie Britton, Chief Financial Officer, First Foundation: more thorough review of our financial performance and to discuss our intermediate term financial outlook. Jamie? Thank you, Tom. Before talking in greater detail about our second quarter financial performance and go forward outlook, I wanted to first spend a few minutes detailing the impact of the two loan transactions on our income statement in the second quarter. Despite the net loss reported in the quarter, we remain steadfast in our goal to significantly improve our sustainable profitability over the intermediate term and expect to see additional benefits to earnings from the balance sheet actions taken during the quarter.

On Slide three of our investor presentation, we break out the impact of the loan transactions to second quarter earnings. As Tom mentioned, the bank completed a $377,000,000 loan sale with an individual counterparty in April with execution at a price lower than our prior quarter mark. This pricing variance resulted in approximately $10,600,000 loss in non interest income and we had foregone interest income of 1,200,000 due to

: the timing of the loan sale, which weighed on net interest margin by four basis points. The second completed transaction was a securitization of $481,000,000 of CRE loans completed in June with more favorable results. This transaction generated a modest gain of $227,000 We removed the one time impacts of these two transactions and the other transaction related items such as the hedge from our second quarter earnings, net income was $1,000,000 or positive $01 per share of earnings.

Jamie Britton, Chief Financial Officer, First Foundation: As Tom mentioned, we expect to complete an additional securitization in the 2025 and our target remains to be fully exited from the CRE held for sale portfolio by the end of the year. We remain focused on limiting incremental earnings and capital impacts and execution is more competitive in the securitization market as seen by the differences we’ve highlighted between the two transactions completed during the quarter. Moving to slide four, reported net interest margin for the second quarter of 168 basis points represented a one basis point increase relative to the linked quarter and was largely driven by a nine basis point improvement in our total cost of deposits, which decreased to 2.95%. If we adjust for the one time $1,200,000 of foregone interest income related to the April loan sale, net interest margin for the quarter would have been approximately 172 basis points. Yield on total earning assets decreased two basis points to 4.61% driven mainly by a 10 basis point reduction in the yield on securities available for sale and a five basis point reduction in total loan yields which were generally stable quarter over quarter.

And as noted on slide five, we continue to see quarter over quarter improvement in our balance sheet contribution or net interest income excluding customer service costs. We expect this key metric to improve even further in the third quarter due to the loan transactions and the corresponding exit of a similar amount of high cost deposits, most of which were MSR deposits. On Slide seven of our investor

Conference Operator: presentation, we continue to provide visibility to the repricing opportunity in our help for investment multifamily portfolio.

Jamie Britton, Chief Financial Officer, First Foundation: On While it remains significant, the repricing is a catalyst that will take some time to play out. But based on our portfolio’s weighted average spread, where the portfolio to reprice to floating rates today, yields would improve meaningfully. We have $455,000,000 in multifamily loans with a weighted average yield of 3.45% that were repriced to floating, refinance with us, or pay off at par in 2026, and another 895,000,000 of multifamily loans with a weighted average yield of 4.18% facing the same decision in 2027. Loan repricing volumes are lower in the remainder of 2025, but looking ahead to the volume of repricing we see on the horizon, when coupled with CD maturity set to occur, we remain optimistic about the opportunity and flexibility this provides. On slide eight, we noted the maturity schedule and rates for our remaining brokered CDs, which as we’ve noted, when coupled with reductions in both the held for sale and held for investment multifamily portfolios will reduce drag on the margin.

To the extent any balances are needed for a short period to support the balance sheet transition, even the deposit repricing from legacy rates to new rates will also benefit the margin. While we continue to target the reduction of our brokered CD portfolio during the second quarter, we had an opportunity to significantly reduce some other higher cost and more concentrated deposits given the completed loan sale activity. More specifically, we exited $784,000,000 of specialty deposits including the $540,000,000 of MSR deposits with a blended average ECR rate of approximately 4.6% in customer service costs and 191,000,000 of comparably high cost non CD broker deposits. For broader context, the $858,000,000 of commercial real estate loans we disposition had a blended average yield of approximately 3.92%. Though the first loan transaction closed in April, a majority of the go forward benefit, particularly in the customer service cost line, was not realized until late in the quarter.

Moving to non interest items, adjusting for loan transaction related items, non interest income was approximately $12,000,000 for the quarter with slight moderation in investment advisory trust and consulting fees related to the decline in AUM we saw coming out of the first quarter. Market performance and new relationship onboarding of $83,000,000 in our wealth business helped drive overall AUM growth growth of 234,000,000 this quarter, which will benefit fees in the third. We remain optimistic about our wealth and trust pipelines, and we have already seen the potential for improved client engagement and greater earnings contributions as a result of our renewed focus on improving partnership across our platform. On non interest expense, outside of customer service costs, remaining categories totaled $47,000,000 for the first quarter compared to $46,700,000 in the prior quarter. The largest contributor to the sequential increase was higher professional service costs resulting from our focus on strengthening our internal capabilities.

We expect professional services expense to remain elevated in the third as we close out several key initiatives before normalizing by the end of the year. The moderation in compensation and benefits this quarter was a function of reduced impacts of earlier seasonal items and our continued diligence around replacement positions and net adds to staff. We are willing to continue investing in talent to drive our strategy going forward, and we expect the majority of these investments over the coming quarters to be focused on client facing roles. Customer service costs totaled $12,900,000 for the quarter compared to $15,100,000 in the prior quarter and $17,800,000 at year end twenty twenty four. The decrease in customer service costs from the prior quarter was due primarily to the $540,000,000 decrease in MSR deposits.

With these exits coming later in the quarter, the second quarter did not include the full benefit, so we expect additional moderation in those line item in the third absent any movement in rates. As Tom mentioned, overall credit quality remains stable. We booked a $2,400,000 provision expense due primarily to changes in our ACL balance, which as Tom mentioned, increased our ACL coverage ratio to 50 basis points, a four basis point improvement when compared to the linked quarter. Switching quickly to First Foundation’s financial condition on slide nine. Our balance sheet remains well capitalized with an 11.1% consolidated common equity Tier one ratio and an 8.3% leverage ratio.

We also are operating with ample liquidity with nearly $3,500,000,000 of borrowing capacity and cash balances, which compares favorably to our uninsured and uncollateralized deposits of $1,300,000,000 which is down from 1,700,000,000 in the prior quarter. Tangible book value as adjusted for the conversion of our preferred shares to equity shares, as we note in slide 17 of the deck, finished the quarter at $9.34 per share versus $9.42 per share in the prior quarter. Before handing the call back to Tom for his closing remarks, I also wanted to provide some thoughts about First Foundation’s intermediate financial outlook, particularly given all the strategic updates we shared over the past two quarters. Overall, we are very optimistic about the financial future of First Foundation over the next twelve to thirty six months. As noted on slide 10, we anticipate continued margin expansion and reiterate our expectation for net interest margin to exit 2025 in the fourth quarter between 1.81.92.12.2% by the 2026.

To the extent the Fed reduces rates more than we are anticipating, that could accelerate some of our expected margin improvement in ’26 and ’27 with deposits possibly repricing faster than we are currently expecting. I would also note we expect to see positive medium term growth trends in our core fee income while also remaining focused on limiting incremental expense growth from here to focused investments directly benefiting our transition. With that, I’ll now turn it back to Tom for his closing remarks.

Thomas C. Schafer, Chief Executive Officer, First Foundation: Thanks, Jamie. While the headline earnings were not where we want them to be in the second quarter, First Foundation’s employees deserve credit for all the hard work put into accomplishing several critical components of our strategic plan during the quarter. As we look ahead, we continue to remain optimistic that our performance can significantly improve in a variety of economic scenarios. We’re well capitalized, plenty of liquidity. We’re making progress in adding considerable talent to the organization, which we hope to have more concrete details in the near future.

We’re laser focused on unlocking the embedded value in the First Foundation franchise by executing on our relationship focused initiatives in Florida and California. This concludes our prepared remarks. Operator, will you please begin the question and answer session?

Conference Operator: The first question comes from David Pfister from Raymond James. Your line is open.

Jamie Britton, Chief Financial Officer, First Foundation: Hi, good morning, everybody. Good morning, David. Good morning, David.

David Pfister, Analyst, Raymond James: Well, you guys have been really active optimizing the balance sheet and working through some of these initiatives. Did a little bit more than I was thinking you were going to get done this quarter, which is great. As you’ve gone through a large majority of the HFS loans, have you found anything else that you’d like to optimize and maybe sell quicker or maybe increase the size of that securitization? Just kind of curious how you think about that given you guys have been ahead of schedule perhaps.

Thomas C. Schafer, Chief Executive Officer, First Foundation: Yes. So David, thanks for the question. I think about the makeup of the balance sheet, we’re obviously focused on reducing our CRE concentration. We actually like the asset class. We just had too much of it on the balance sheet.

So once we begin to head towards the end of the year, think we’re going to be in a position where we can stabilize that focus on making sure that we’re driving earning assets onto the balance sheet focused on EPS our funding costs. So I think that really this is the portfolio we’re focused on and also want to get rid of the volatility of the held for sale asset class.

David Pfister, Analyst, Raymond James: Okay. Okay. So there’s nothing else to accelerate there. It’s got a more just focusing on the strategic initiatives after this last tranche.

Jamie Britton, Chief Financial Officer, First Foundation: Yes, that’s right.

David Pfister, Analyst, Raymond James: Okay. And then maybe touching on the private banking initiative. You know, where are we at in that expansion? And you know, you touched on some talent ads. Just kind of curious where you’re focused on.

Is there any systems and capabilities that we need to add? And then just kind of how much in terms of loan and deposit growth do you think this could add maybe a timeline for maybe some more material contribution in kind of as we look to next year?

Thomas C. Schafer, Chief Executive Officer, First Foundation: Yes. So I’m very optimistic about this. We’ve had a team kind of building it out before. There’s couple of things. We’ve got an outstanding wealth group.

Our team is very sophisticated. They’ve got tremendous, you know, tenure and and client base. And whatever we offer to that group, we wanna make sure it’s really matches the skills and capabilities of what they already have. So we had a team working on this, for the last probably four months. And, so it’s, the program’s designed part of the initiative of recruiting a new head head of consumer, which is consumer bank, retail, business banking, private banking, is to bring on a a level of sophistication in our leadership to help us both attract talent and engage our wealth team.

So we’re, you know, we’ve, I’d say, left the starting block. We’ve got some referrals coming in from our from our commercial and retail channel. We’ve actually closed some wealth new new wealth management clients because of that initiative. But I I don’t wanna get too far ahead of a new leader who’s going to be asked to to really put the final details on it.

Conference Operator: The next question comes from Gary Tenner from D. A. Davidson. Your line is open.

Gary Tenner, Analyst, D.A. Davidson: Thanks. Good morning. A bit of a follow-up maybe to David’s first question. The balance sheet’s down a little over $2,000,000,000 from the peak in terms of total assets. Obviously, a little more in the way of sales back half of this year.

As you think about the time deposit maturities that continue over the course of next year, where’s your line of sight in terms of where you think the balance sheet bottoms and kind of timing? Is that fourth quarter this year and roughly kind of ballpark on total assets?

Jamie Britton, Chief Financial Officer, First Foundation: Hey, Gary. Thanks for the question. I think the end of the year is a good target for the trough on the balance sheet. I think you may, you may see a little bit more contraction in the third, before we start to build up, into the into the end of the year and going into ’26. You know, one of our our focuses during the transition is on maintaining earning assets.

And so to the extent that we can do that with attractively priced securities, we will if we of course, we would prefer loan opportunities, so we’re pursuing that aggressively. But I would say the end of the year is a good trough for assets. I wouldn’t expect us to contract much from here in the third, maybe a little before growing into the fourth again. And then, you know, I think coming out of coming out of 2025 with a restructured balance sheet complete and some new leadership in place and, you know, ideally, a track of of some new hires and and client facing roles, will have a lot of momentum going into ’26.

Gary Tenner, Analyst, D.A. Davidson: Appreciate it. And then it sounded to me like, the commentary around the additional securitization, it sounds like you’re talking singular and not plural. So is it kind of reasonable assumption to expect maybe the held for sale sticks around into the fourth quarter and then there’s one transaction? Or do you think it’s still piecemeal over the back half of the year?

Thomas C. Schafer, Chief Executive Officer, First Foundation: Two ways. One is there’s the natural runoff that’s part of the portfolio. And I see one additional securitization during the second half of the year, closer to the fourth quarter.

Conference Operator: The next question comes from Matthew Clark from Piper Sandler. Your line is open.

Matthew Clark, Analyst, Piper Sandler: Hi, good morning. Thanks for the questions. Wanted to ask about the recent turnover among the management ranks, the CBO, COO and it sounds like now the Chief Credit Officer. Just what’s driving this? And what’s your plan to fill those roles?

Thomas C. Schafer, Chief Executive Officer, First Foundation: Sure. Thanks for the question, Matthew. As I said in my prepared comments, turnovers and change is expected when you’re making the level of changes to the operating model that we are. We’ve gone from being known for the multifamily. We’re bringing it down significantly.

Think appropriately, we’re spending a lot of time on the deposit side of the balance sheet. And while we appreciate, you know, the the effort and energy and and and the impact that our our former leaders had on the company, the skills that we need for the next chapter are a little different, and and the experience of the leaders some of these leaders for the next chapter is different. And so the I think the turnover reflects, you know, some planned turnover and and just a little bit of of turnover that’s caused by rate of change. And, you know, all good people, but, you know, it creates, you know, that that churn creates opportunity for us to accelerate some of the changes that might have been, you know, in the in the works. And I can tell you this that the the people that Simone and I have spent most of the time on the recruitment process, The level of talent that wants to, you know, come to Southern California is staggering.

Great organizations, extraordinarily developed people, and we’re we’re, we’re thrilled with, the engagement that, that we’ve had.

Matthew Clark, Analyst, Piper Sandler: Great. Thanks for the color. And the other one for me, just on the ECR deposits and your plans to potentially reduce that amount further? Just trying to get a sense for whether or you’re going to deliberately run off more of those ECR deposits and at what magnitude, over what period of time and how do we should think about the related rate?

Thomas C. Schafer, Chief Executive Officer, First Foundation: I’ll Jamie help me with this, but I I’d say that it’s it’s it’s really high cost. So it’s there’s nothing necessarily wrong with the deposits. It’s just, again, scale that we had in cost. So as a funding mechanisms, it’s it’s a it’s a large pool that, you know, many banks have. But we’re focused on replacing high cost, high concentrated deposit with more granular lower cost.

And that’s a that’s a journey, but everything we can do to address the high cost categories we’re focused on.

Jamie Britton, Chief Financial Officer, First Foundation: And I I would just add to that, Matthew, in that we don’t have many relationships left in them as our portfolio. There’s still around 500,000,000 in total balances, but but we would like to reduce concentration. So we will spend time focusing there. As Tom mentioned, just in general on high cost deposits, but even just reducing some of the the remaining more concentrated relationships, we may focus on those. And I I would expect those those reductions and those conversations to take place over over the the next several months as we lead into the securitization.

We’d use some of that dry powder to to help offset the outflows of those those deposits. And so, you know, if we if we end up with a few relationships still, I think we’re very comfortable with that. We just want them to be more more manageable sizes. And so I think you could see another couple $100,000,000, coming out of that portfolio by the end of the year. As I mentioned, and I’m sure you caught it, but just the the transaction, in the second in the second quarter that allowed us to to help exit some of the the MSR deposits already.

That happened, in late in the quarter in June. And so the benefits to the customer service cost line weren’t fully reflected in the in the second. I think as you move into the to the third quarter, you’ll see customer service costs drop below, yeah, 10,000,000 or so. And then, you know, as we continue to to focus on managing down high cost deposits with the the final securitization, you’ll see that come down even further.

Conference Operator: The next question comes from Andrew Therrell from Stephens. Your line is open.

: Hey, good morning.

Jamie Britton, Chief Financial Officer, First Foundation: Good morning, Andrew. Good morning, Andrew.

: Most of mine have been addressed already, but quick one on the margin, Jamie, just obviously like a lot of moving pieces throughout the second quarter from a loan yield perspective. And I know you guys give some color on the deposit front in terms of exit costs. So I’m hoping you could help out a little bit with kind of the loan portfolio and just holding any future rate cuts aside. Like where did loan yields exit the quarter at? I’m just, you know, trying to have some help getting to the the four q margin.

Jamie Britton, Chief Financial Officer, First Foundation: Oh, sure. Total loan yields exited, just just under $4.70, Andrew.

: Okay. And that was that was at the end of the quarter?

Jamie Britton, Chief Financial Officer, First Foundation: Correct. And and that does include the the multi family loans, which are so the multi family portfolio overall is is just under four at this point, and so not a meaningful portion anymore. But that does include the the final 500,000,000 of of held for sale loans and, from multifamily.

: Got it. Okay. And then on the cash position still, you know, right around 9% or 10% of assets. You call out the the kind of schedule of brokered deposit maturity and I think expectations are clear about some of the higher cost CCR deposits, but some of the brokered is also a little bit higher cost. And just curious on like one, comfortability with the cash position, could we see you manage that lower going into 2026?

And is that kind of earmarked for broker deposit reduction? Or I guess you also gave some comments about maintaining earning asset base and maybe investing in some securities. I guess how do we think about the puts and takes there as it relates to the cash position?

Jamie Britton, Chief Financial Officer, First Foundation: Yeah. It’s obviously a lot there’s obviously a lot a lot of moving parts on the balance sheet. We’re comfortable right now with the level of liquidity that’ll, of course, fluctuate through the quarter due to the timing of different moves, especially when you’re moving off, you know, such large pieces of the of the asset portfolio. Yeah. So that may it may tick up for for a period during the quarter.

The billion dollar level is where we’re we’re comfortable today. I think as we move forward, however, with the balance sheet transition complete with a large focus on the the high highly concentrated, high cost deposits and and and broker deposits coming down meaningfully, since their peaks, I think we’ll be able to reset, reassess coming out of the the 2025 and and determine, where’s a reasonable level going into ’26. But I would expect the cash position to remain relatively stable on an average basis for the rest of the year.

Conference Operator: And that concludes our Q and A session. I will now turn the call over to Thomas Schafer for closing remarks.

Thomas C. Schafer, Chief Executive Officer, First Foundation: Thank you. I’d like to thank everyone for joining us today and the questions that were received. I’d also like to thank you for your interest in First Foundation. I think that we’ve made some significant moves during the second quarter that will help us as we move forward and confident that the team is capable of executing the needs that we have in our strategic plan and return the company to the profitability levels that we all expect. Thank you.

Conference Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today’s call. Thank you all for joining and you may now disconnect.

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