Earnings call transcript: Globe Life Q2 2025 shows mixed results, stock up

Globe Life Inc., a $10.9 billion market cap insurance provider, reported its financial results for the second quarter of 2025, showing a modest earnings per share (EPS) beat but missing revenue forecasts. The company’s EPS came in at $3.27, slightly above the forecast of $3.25, while revenue fell short at $1.48 billion compared to the expected $1.51 billion. Despite the revenue miss, the stock surged 6.01% to $124.81, reflecting positive investor sentiment. According to InvestingPro analysis, the company appears fairly valued at current levels, with multiple positive indicators suggesting strong fundamentals.

Key Takeaways

• Globe Life’s EPS exceeded expectations, while revenue fell short.
• The stock price increased by 6.01% in response to the earnings call.
• The direct-to-consumer channel showed its first positive sales trend in 16 quarters.
• Administrative expenses rose, impacting operating margins.
• Guidance for the fiscal year remains optimistic with expected growth in earnings and premiums.

Company Performance

Globe Life demonstrated solid performance in the second quarter of 2025, with a net income of $253 million, translating to $3.50 per share. The company reported a return on equity (ROE) of 18.8% under GAAP standards, while trading at an attractive P/E ratio of 10.69 and a PEG ratio of 0.55, suggesting good value relative to growth. Notably, the direct-to-consumer channel exhibited its first positive sales trend in four years, signaling potential growth in this segment. InvestingPro subscribers have access to 6 additional key insights about Globe Life’s valuation and growth prospects.

Financial Highlights

• Revenue: $1.48 billion, below the forecast of $1.51 billion.
• Earnings per share: $3.27, exceeding the forecast of $3.25.
• Life insurance premium revenue grew by 3% to $840 million.
• Health insurance premium revenue increased by 8% to $378 million.

Earnings vs. Forecast

Globe Life’s EPS of $3.27 slightly surpassed the forecast of $3.25, marking a positive surprise of $0.62. However, revenue fell short by $30 million, resulting in a negative surprise of -1.99%. The EPS beat reflects strong profitability, though the revenue miss may raise questions about sales growth.

Market Reaction

Following the earnings announcement, Globe Life’s stock rose by 6.01%, closing at $124.81. This movement indicates a positive market reaction, likely driven by the EPS beat and optimistic forward guidance. The stock trades near its 52-week high of $133.76, with analyst targets ranging from $114 to $188, suggesting robust investor confidence. InvestingPro’s comprehensive analysis shows the company maintains a "GREAT" Financial Health Score of 3.1 out of 4.

Outlook & Guidance

For the full year 2025, Globe Life projects net operating earnings per share between $14.25 and $14.65, representing a 17% growth at the midpoint. The company anticipates life premium revenue growth of around 3.5% and health premium revenue growth between 8% and 9%.

Executive Commentary

Tom Kombach, CFO, stated, "We expect mortality results to continue to run favorably," highlighting the company’s strong performance in managing risks. Co-CEO Matt Darden noted, "The direct-to-consumer channel is showing first positive sales trend in 16 quarters," indicating potential growth in this segment.

Risks and Challenges

• Revenue shortfall raises concerns about achieving sales targets.
• Increased administrative expenses may pressure margins.
• Ongoing DOJ/SEC investigations could create uncertainties.
• Market saturation in the insurance industry poses a challenge.
• Economic fluctuations may impact consumer spending on insurance.

Q&A

During the earnings call, analysts focused on the company’s mortality trends and the impact of recent medical headlines. Executives reassured that mortality experience remains favorable and that the Bermuda reinsurance strategy could enhance free cash flow conversion.

Full transcript - Globe Life Inc (GL) Q2 2025:

Conference Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, you’re currently on hold for Globe Life, Inc. Second Quarter Earnings Release Call. At this time, we are assembling today’s audience and plan to begin shortly. We appreciate your patience, and please remain on the line. Thank you.

Hello, and welcome to Globe Life Inc. Second Quarter Earnings Release Call. My name is Laura, and I will be your coordinator for today’s event. Please note this call is being recorded. And for the duration of the call, your lines will be on listen only mode.

However, you will have the opportunity to ask questions at the end of the call. I will now hand you over to your host, Steven Mota, Senior Director of Investor Relations, to begin today’s conference. Thank you.

Steven Mota, Senior Director of Investor Relations, Globe Life Inc.: Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Joining the call today are Frank Saboda and Matt Darden, our Co Chief Executive Officers Tom Kombach, our Chief Financial Officer Mike Majors, our Chief Strategy Officer and Brian Mitchell, our General Counsel. Some of our comments or answers to your questions may contain forward looking statements that are provided for general guidance purposes only. Accordingly, please refer to our earnings release, twenty twenty four ten ks and any subsequent Forms 10 Q on file with the SEC.

Some of our comments may also contain non GAAP measures. Please see our earnings release and website for discussion of these terms and reconciliations to GAAP measures. I will now turn the call over to Frank.

Frank Saboda, Co-Chief Executive Officer, Globe Life Inc.: Thank you, Stephen, and good morning, everyone. In the second quarter, net income was $253,000,000 or $3.5 per share compared to $258,000,000 or $2.83 per share a year ago. Net operating income for the quarter was $271,000,000 or $3.27 per share, an increase of 10% over the $2.97 per share from a year ago. On a GAAP reported basis, return on equity through June 30 is 18.8% and book value per share is $66.07 Excluding accumulated other comprehensive income, or AOCI, return on equity is 14.4% and book value per share as of June 30 is $90.26 up 10% from a year ago. In our life insurance operations, premium revenue for the second quarter increased 3% from the year ago quarter to $840,000,000 Life underwriting margin was $340,000,000 up 6% from a year ago, driven by premium growth and lower overall policy obligations.

For the year, we expect life premium revenue to grow around 3.5%. As a percent of premium, we anticipate life underwriting margin to be between 4345%, which is higher than our previous estimate due to continued favorable mortality. In health insurance, premium revenue grew 8% to $378,000,000 while health underwriting margin was down 2% to $98,000,000 due primarily to higher obligations than the year ago period at United American. Tom will talk more about the Medicare Supplement business in his comments, but I would like to point out here that we saw a slight reduction in utilization from the first quarter to the second quarter, resulting in an underwriting margin at United American as a percent of premium at the high end of our expectations. For the year, we expect health premium revenue to grow in the range of 8% to nine percent and anticipate health underwriting margin as a percent of premium to be between 2527%.

Administrative expenses were $86,000,000 for the quarter, an increase of approximately 5% over the second quarter of twenty twenty four. As a percent of premium, administrative expenses were 7.1%. For the year, we expect administrative expenses to increase by about 4% over 2024 and be approximately 7.3% of premium, lower than noted on the last call. I will now turn the call over to Matt for his comments on the second quarter marketing operations.

Matt Darden, Co-Chief Executive Officer, Globe Life Inc.: Thank you, Frank. I’d like to start by addressing recent agent count trends. Each of the exclusive agencies increased average agent count from the first quarter to the second quarter for a combined sequential growth rate of 6%, resulting in an average total agent count of 17,621 for the second quarter. We’ve seen strong results over the past several months in agent recruiting and onboarding. While rapid increases in new agents can have an impact on productivity in the short term, this bodes well for sustainable future growth.

The exclusive agencies are the strength of Globe Life and the ability to maintain and grow an exclusive agency force is a core competency of our company. While we frequently see short term fluctuations, there is a very close correlation between sales and agent count over the long term. Now I’ll discuss each of the distribution channels. At American Income Life, life premiums were up 5% over the year ago quarter to $446,000,000 and the life underwriting margin was up 6% to $2.00 $5,000,000 In the second quarter of twenty twenty five, net life sales were $96,000,000 up 2% from a year ago. And as a reminder, we had a difficult comparable this quarter as American Income had a 16% increase in life sales in the year ago quarter.

The average producing agent count for the second quarter was 12,241, up 3% from a year ago. I am confident we will continue to see growth in this agency as we move forward. At Liberty National, the life premiums were up 5% over the year ago quarter to $97,000,000 and the life underwriting margin was up 8% to $33,000,000 Net life sales decreased 5% to $25,000,000 and net health sales were $8,000,000 down 2% from the year ago quarter. The decreases were primarily due to lower agent productivity. Additionally, we had a higher comparable this quarter as Liberty National had an 11% increase in life sales in the year ago quarter.

The average producing agent count for the second quarter was 3,882, up 5% from a year ago. Liberty National continues to have positive agent count growth, which is a good leading indicator for continued sales growth. At Family Heritage, the health premiums increased 9% over the year ago quarter to $116,000,000 and the health underwriting margin increased 12% to $41,000,000 Net health sales were up 20% to $30,000,000 due to an increase in agent count and productivity. The average producing agent count for the second quarter was fourteen ninety eight, up 10% from a year ago. And I’m excited to see this continued growth as this is four consecutive quarters of strong agent count growth for Family Heritage.

Now in our direct to consumer division, here the life premiums were down 1% over the year ago quarter to $246,000,000 while life underwriting margin increased 8% to $69,000,000 Net life sales were $31,000,000 and this is up 2% from the year ago quarter and up 24% from the first quarter. I’m very pleased to see these results as this is a turnaround of a declining trend in recent years. As we mentioned on the last call, we have been working on implementing new technology to enhance our underwriting automation. This technology is helping improve the conversion of inquiries into sales. The resulting improvement in return on marketing investment could allow us to reinstate some of the marketing campaigns that were discontinued in the past due to high marketing costs.

And as a reminder, the value of our direct to consumer business is not only those sales directly attributable to this channel, but the significant support that is provided to our agency business through brand impressions and sales leads. We expect this division to generate approximately 1,000,000 leads during 2025, which will be provided to our three exclusive agencies. Improved conversion of our direct to consumer leads across the enterprise will allow us to increase our marketing spend and increase future lead volume and marketing campaigns. Now on to United American General Agency. Here, the health premiums increased 10% over a year ago quarter to $164,000,000 and this is driven by strong prior year sales growth and premium rate increases.

Health underwriting margin was $12,000,000 down $4,000,000 from the year ago quarter due to higher claim costs. Net health sales were $25,000,000 up approximately $7,000,000 over the year ago quarter. We continue to see strong individual Medicare supplement sales activity. Now I’d like to discuss projections and based on these recent trends in our experience with our business, we expect the average producing agent count trends for the full year 2025 to be as follows. At both American Income and Liberty National, mid single digit growth At Family Heritage, high single to low double digit growth.

Net life sales for 2025 are expected to be as follows. At American Income and Liberty National, both mid single digit growth. Direct to consumer, low single digit growth. Net health sales for 2025 are expected to be as follows: Liberty National, mid single digit growth Family Heritage, low double to mid teens growth and United American, digit growth. I’ll now turn the call back to Frank.

Frank Saboda, Co-Chief Executive Officer, Globe Life Inc.: Thanks, Matt. We’ll now turn to the investment operations. Excess investment income, which we define as net investment income less only required interest, was $35,000,000 down approximately $8,000,000 from the year ago quarter. Net investment income was $282,000,000 down 1% and average invested assets were relatively flat. Required interest is up approximately 2% over the year ago quarter consistent with growth in average policy liabilities.

The growth in average invested assets and average policy liabilities are lower than normal, primarily due to the impact of the annuity reinsurance transaction in the fourth quarter of last year, which involved approximately $460,000,000 of annuity reserves being transferred to a third party along with supporting invested assets. Net investment income was also negatively impacted by lower average earnings rates on our commercial mortgage loans and limited partnership investments in the current quarter as compared to a year ago. For the full year 2025, we expect net investment income to be up about 1% and required interest to grow around 2.5%, resulting in a decline in excess investment income of around 10% to 15% for the year. While the growth in average invested assets will be lower than normal for the full year due to the impact of the annuity reinsurance transaction last year, as well as higher dividend distributions from the insurance companies, we do anticipate sequential growth in the third and fourth quarters, which should set us up well for more normalized growth in 2026. Now regarding our investment yields.

In the second quarter, we invested $263,000,000 in investment grade fixed maturities, primarily in the industrial and financial sectors. These investments were at an average yield of 6.44%, an average rating of A and an average life of thirty four years. We also invested $68,000,000 in commercial mortgage loans and limited partnerships with debt like characteristics and an average expected cash return of approximately 9.7%. None of our direct investments in commercial mortgage loans involve office properties. These non fixed maturity investments are expected to produce additional cash yield over our fixed maturity investments, while still being in line with our conservative investment philosophy.

For the entire fixed maturity portfolio, the second quarter yield was 5.29%, up three basis points from the second quarter of twenty twenty four. As of June 30, the portfolio yield was 5.26. Including the investment income from our commercial mortgage loans and limited partnerships, the second quarter earned yield was 5.38%. Now regarding the investment portfolio. Invested assets are $21,500,000,000 including $18,900,000,000 of fixed maturities at amortized cost.

Of the fixed maturities, 18,400,000,000.0 are investment grade with an average rating of A-. Overall, the total fixed maturity portfolio is rated A-, the same as a year ago. Our fixed maturity investment portfolio has a net unrealized loss position of approximately 1,600,000,000 due to the current market rates being higher than the book yield on our holdings. As we have historically noted, we are not concerned by the unrealized loss position as it is mostly interest rate driven and currently relates entirely to bonds with maturities that extend beyond 10. We have the intent and more importantly, the ability to hold our investments to maturity.

Bonds rated BBB comprised 44% of the fixed maturity portfolio compared to 46% from the year ago quarter. This percentage is at its lowest level since 02/2006. As we have discussed on prior calls, we believe the BBB securities we acquire generally provide the best risk adjusted, capital adjusted returns due in part to our ability to hold securities to maturity regardless of fluctuations in interest rates or equity markets. While the percent of our invested assets comprised of BBB bonds might be a little higher than some of our peers, remember that we have little or no exposure to other higher risk assets, such as derivatives, equities, residential mortgages, CLOs and other asset backed securities. The low investment grade bonds remain at historical lows at five zero three million dollars compared to $564,000,000 a year ago.

The percentage of below investment grade bonds to total fixed maturities is just 2.7%. Our below investment grade bonds, as a percent of equity, excluding AOCI, are at their lowest level in over thirty years. While there are clearly uncertainties as to where The U. S. Economy is headed, we are well positioned to withstand a significant economic downturn.

Due to the long duration of our fixed policy liabilities, we invest in long dated assets. As such, a critical and foundational part of our investment philosophy is to invest in entities that can survive through multiple economic cycles. In addition, we have very strong underwriting profits and long dated liabilities, so we will not be forced to sell any of our bonds in order to pay claims. With respect to our anticipated investment acquisitions for the full year, at the midpoint of our full year guidance, we assume investment of approximately $900,000,000 to $1,000,000,000 in fixed maturities at an average yield of around 6.2% and approximately $200,000,000 to $300,000,000 in commercial mortgage loans and limited partnership investments with debt like characteristics at an average expected cash return of 7% to 9%. Now, I will turn the call over to Tom for his comments on capital and liquidity.

Tom Kombach, Chief Financial Officer, Globe Life Inc.: Thanks, Frank. I’ll spend a few minutes discussing our available liquidity, share repurchase program and capital position. The parent began the quarter with liquid assets of approximately $90,000,000 and ended the quarter with approximately $105,000,000 of liquid assets. We anticipate concluding the year with liquid assets in the range of $50,000,000 to $60,000,000 For the second quarter, the company repurchased approximately 1,900,000.0 shares of Globe Life common stock for a total cost of approximately $226,000,000 at an average share price of $121.13 Thus, including shareholder dividend payments of $22,000,000 for the quarter, the company returned almost $250,000,000 to shareholders during the second quarter of twenty twenty five. This amount is greater than what we indicated on the prior call as we took advantage of declines in the price of our stock, which created market conditions more favorable for repurchases during the quarter.

The parent’s liquid assets at the end of the quarter, along with excess cash flow expected to be generated for the second half of the year, will provide the parent with $240,000,000 to $290,000,000 that we expect to return to shareholders in the form of dividends or share repurchases after meeting the anticipated needs of the parent. We will continue to use our cash as efficiently as possible. We still believe that share repurchases provide the best return or yield to our shareholders over other available alternatives. Thus, we anticipate share repurchases will continue to be the primary use of the parent’s excess cash flow after the payment of shareholder dividends. We also intend to reduce the outstanding commercial paper balances over the course of the year to be more in line with historical levels.

For the full year, we anticipate share repurchases will total $600,000,000 to $650,000,000 and we intend to distribute $80,000,000 to $90,000,000 to our shareholders in the form of dividends. Remaining share repurchases will be spread over the remainder of the year with approximately $100,000,000 to $125,000,000 expected in the third quarter. It should be noted that the cash received by the parent company from our insurance operations is after our subsidiaries have made substantial investments during the year to issue new insurance policies, implement new technologies and enhance operational capabilities and modernize existing information technology as well as to acquire new long duration assets to fund their future CAF needs. At the beginning of the third quarter, we strengthened our financial preparedness through the issuance of a thirty year $500,000,000 contingent capital funding arrangement. This arrangement complements our existing capital resources and enhances our financial flexibility by providing an additional source of committed long term capital, regardless of capital market and economic conditions.

This transaction has no impact on the company’s debt and has financing costs of just under $9,000,000 pretax per full year. Overall, we believe that financial strength is paramount to our company’s success, and this arrangement will simply add to our already strong capital generation capabilities that exist within our insurance companies. With regards to the capital levels of our insurance subsidiaries, our goal is to maintain capital within our insurance operations at levels necessary to support our current ratings. Globe Life targets a consolidated company action level RBC ratio in the range of 300% to 320%. As of year end 2024, our consolidated RBC ratio was 316%, which provides approximately $100,000,000 of capital more than what is needed to meet our minimum target capital of 300%.

As we do every quarter, we perform stress tests in our investment portfolio under multiple economic scenarios, anticipating various levels of downgrades and defaults. If all of the estimated losses under our stress tests were to occur before year end, which we believe is highly unlikely, we have concluded sufficient capital resources exist within our subsidiaries and the parent to maintain our target RBC ratios and our share repurchases as planned. For 2025, we intend to maintain our consolidated RBC within the targeted range of 300% to 320%. As I said on prior calls, I would like to share an update with our progress towards establishing a Bermuda reinsurance affiliate. During the quarter, we submitted a preliminary business plan to the Bermuda Monetary Authority, or the BMA, to establish an affiliate reinsurer in Bermuda for the purpose of reinsuring a portion of new business and in force life insurance policies issued by Globe Life affiliates.

An updated business plan, along with a formal licensing application, will be submitted in the third quarter, and we anticipate establishing a Bermuda reinsurance entity and executing the first reinsurance transaction by the end of the year. During the finalization of the application and licensing process, we will continue to have dialogue with regulators as well as rating agencies, and we will continue to provide additional information as warranted on future calls. This initial reinsurance transaction is currently intended to reinsure a relatively small block of life reserves to get the company up and running. However, we anticipate that over time, approximately one quarter of total statutory life reserves may be ceded to our Bermuda subsidiary as a portion of new business and additional in force business is reinsured. Of course, we have not completed our evaluation and our finance business plan has not been approved, so this may change over time.

At this time, we are not contemplating any changes to our overall investment strategy will be needed. Our decision to pursue this new Bermuda captive reinsurer is for the following strategic reasons: First, Bermuda’s economic capital framework will better support Globe Life’s continued sales and premium growth rates, which are generally above industry average. We are also very comfortable with Bermuda’s statutory framework as it is consistent with U. S. GAAP and capital is determined under an economic framework.

This supports earnings emergence consistent with GAAP earnings, which over time will provide additional dividend capacity to the parent, enhancing the parent’s overall financial strength and flexibility. In addition, Bermuda is an established and stable regulatory environment with international insurance industry experience. Bermuda regulators have been actively engaged in discussions with us and have developed a good understanding of our business and the insurance products we intend to reinsure with the new entity. Following approval of reciprocal jurisdiction, which we will seek to obtain as soon as possible, we currently estimate parent excess cash flow will increase from incremental earnings from our U. S.

And Bermuda subsidiaries over time as the reinsurance block grows. This additional excess cash flow will enhance our financial strength of the company and provide additional flexibility for the company to meet various capital and liquidity needs of the parent. There is still a lot of work in front of us as we work with regulators and rating agencies to finalize plans. While we don’t anticipate any additional parent excess cash flows until 2027, we do see the potential for additional distributable earnings from our subsidiaries to the parent trending over time towards $200,000,000 annually as earnings emerge from reinsuring additional in force and new business. This would provide additional financial flexibility for the parent to support our growth.

Now with regards to policy obligations for the current quarter. As we discussed on prior calls, we have included within our supplemental financial information available on our website an exhibit that details remeasurements gains and losses by distribution channel. For the quarter, we continue to experience favorable mortality result resulting in life remeasurement gains. The life remeasurement gain was $16,700,000 reflecting mortality and lapse experience for the quarter. This was favorable to management’s estimates and resulted in lower life policy obligations than anticipated.

The health remeasurement gain was about $3,900,000 was favorable to management’s estimates and contributed to favorable obligation trends at Family Heritage and experienced fluctuations for other health lines, including Medicare Supplement. There have been no changes to our long term assumptions this quarter as we will update life and health assumptions in the third quarter of twenty twenty five. Due to the continued favorable mortality we are experiencing, we are increasing our estimate on the margin impact for the third quarter life assumption updates as recent mortality and lapse experiences are incorporated into these assumptions. Although we have not finalized our assumption updates, we have updated and revised our estimates for the anticipated impacts. At this time, our guidance anticipates a total remeasurement gain in the third quarter related to both life and health assumption updates to be in the range of $110,000,000 to $160,000,000 At this time, our current estimates for life assumption updates reflect future mortality levels generally in line with pre pandemic levels.

It should be noted that recent mortality experience is favorable to pre pandemic levels overall, and to the extent this continues, we would expect continued quarterly remeasurement gains even after updating long term assumptions. For the Health segment, as expected, Health margins as a percent of premium increased from the first quarter. This was largely driven by anticipated margin increases for the Medicare Supplement business as 2025 premium rate changes became fully effective. In addition, we saw some improvement in Medicare Supplement claims, which were favorable to our expectations. The claim cost trends continue to run higher than those reflected in our recent rate filings.

We intend to reflect these higher trends in our 2026 rate filings to improve long term profitability consistent with those needed to achieve historical margins as a percent of premium. Our estimate for total remeasurement gains related to assumption updates includes an estimate of 5,000,000 to $15,000,000 related to the Health segment. Finally, with respect to our earnings guidance for 2025. For the full year 2025, we estimate net operating earnings per diluted share will be in the range of $14.25 to $14.65 representing 17% growth at the midpoint of our range and 10% growth when excluding the impact of remeasurement gains from assumption updates in both 2024 and 2025. The midpoint is higher than our previous guidance due to the anticipation of continued favorable mortality experience and the updated anticipated impact of third quarter assumption updates.

In addition, we anticipate Health margins will improve slightly prior to relative to our prior expectations. Those are my comments. I’ll now turn it back to Matt.

Matt Darden, Co-Chief Executive Officer, Globe Life Inc.: Thank you, Tom. Those are our comments. We will now open the call up for questions.

Conference Operator: You. We will now take our first question from Jack Nathan of BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Jack Nathan, Analyst, BMO Capital Markets: Hi, Doug. Good morning. Just the first one, higher earnings guidance for this year. I guess, how should we think about that translating to stat earnings and cash flows looking ahead to next year? I guess, is there a portion that’s related to actual experience issue that we would see come through immediately or is more of that benefit kind of lags over time since it seems there’s a big remeasurement gain you’re expecting in the life business that includes some favorable assumptions on a forward looking basis?

Frank Saboda, Co-Chief Executive Officer, Globe Life Inc.: Yes. So what I would

Tom Kombach, Chief Financial Officer, Globe Life Inc.: say is that the mortality experience that we’re seeing, which has generally been favorable, continues to be favorable trends, that translates into additional statutory income. So we’ll see that come through statutory income. The assumption changes, are really only GAAP related, so those are updates to GAAP assumption changes, is really not an impact to statutory income levels overall. And then also, think given the slightly favorable trends that we saw in the second quarter and then a little bit of favorable experience that we think in the remainder of the year for the Health segment, that will come through statutory earnings as well.

Jack Nathan, Analyst, BMO Capital Markets: That’s helpful. Thank you. And then, follow-up on the Bermuda affiliate. Appreciate the details you gave. On 200,000,000, I think, you know, potential incremental benefits to your cash flows over time.

I guess, any thoughts on the timeline towards getting to that run rate? And I guess, does that assume you move I think I mentioned like a quarter of your life reserves over to that entity? And then I guess just lastly then like just curious how you got to the like one quarter target and I guess how you’re thinking about that and could it be revised over time?

Tom Kombach, Chief Financial Officer, Globe Life Inc.: Yes. As I mentioned, we still have a lot to do. So we’re still in conversations with our regulators as well as conversations with our rating agencies on the Bermuda subsidiary and impacts there. So it’s a little bit premature to talk about timing, but we will certainly provide updates once we have clarity later this year.

Matt Darden, Co-Chief Executive Officer, Globe Life Inc.: As Tom mentioned, in the latter half of this year, in the third quarter, we’ll be finalizing an updated business plan with the regulators. And as a result of that work, we’ll be able to update you here on the next one or two calls as we get more of those plans finalized and approved.

Jack Nathan, Analyst, BMO Capital Markets: Got it. Thank you.

Conference Operator: We will now take our next question from Andrew Kligerman of TD Securities. Please go ahead.

Andrew Kligerman, Analyst, TD Securities: Hi. Good morning, everyone. My first question is around the sales. It appears you’re you’ve got a bit lower guidance on the life insurance sales. And, Matt, I think you mentioned 8% agent count growth.

So I guess two things. Given that you’ve lowered the guidance a bit, what gives you that confidence that the back half of the year will bump up from what we saw in the first half of the year? And should we use that 6% agent count growth as an indication? I know you’re not giving guidance yet, but that would be a ballpark expectation for next year?

Matt Darden, Co-Chief Executive Officer, Globe Life Inc.: Yes. I was commenting on the 6% was an overall growth rate of Q2 compared sequentially to Q1. I’d mentioned on the last call just kind of what we were seeing early stages as we moved into the second quarter. So just wanted to comment overall, that was very positive growth from our perspective for just one quarter. You’re correct, we’re revising down slightly on the sales side, still in that mid single digit growth.

As we’ve talked about before, the agent count growth, which has been very strong if you look at over the last six, twelve months, that is a leading indicator And so we’re still having that strong agent count growth, which does as I’ve mentioned impact productivity sometimes in the near term is our more experienced agents are spending their time training and onboarding new agents. But we know over a long term that bodes well for sales growth. And so the revision of the guidance is just really reflective of what actually happened in Q2 and recognizing that increase in sales from the increase in agent count may be delayed a little bit more toward the latter half of this year and into the beginning of next year. So it’s really nothing other than reflecting just some timing considerations of those new agents coming on and getting more productive there.

And so then, as you’d mentioned, just our overall, I would look at just kind of our overall agent count growth this year and our guide there would be reflective of what we would think as we get into 2026 guidance. But that would be a leading indicator of what we think sales would look like for 2026 based on what we know today.

Andrew Kligerman, Analyst, TD Securities: That’s really encouraging and thanks for that. And then on the med sub side, I mean, your sales have been phenomenally strong and part of that is, and correct me if I’m wrong, part of that is a function of the Medicare Advantage under a lot of regulatory scrutiny and change. Now, we’re a year out and that stabilizes, do you think that there could be kind of the flip side, a little bit of pressure on MedSub sales? Or do you think that you can kind of continue to grind up?

Matt Darden, Co-Chief Executive Officer, Globe Life Inc.: I would say it this way, you’re correct. There is a lot of noise in the system around Medicare Advantage. As we’ve talked about in the past, we have been the beneficiary of some of that dislocation on the med subs sales side. What we’ve seen over time is, there’s some ebbs and flows to this business, but there continues to be a segment of the population that values what the benefits are from a Med Supp policy versus Medicare Advantage as it relates to being able to have more choice in some of the benefits that come along with those type of policies. So I think there will always be a strong market for that, but it will ebb and flow based on some things that we see in the Medicare Advantage side.

Also to the extent, we look at the significant size of our in force block there and the premium growth that happens as a result of the rate filings that Tom had mentioned. And so I think that bodes well for earnings growth here over the next coming periods including into 2026. And so as we’ve mentioned before within Medicare supplement and in the United American group there, we do have some group business and so that does come through a little bit lumpy. And so we’ll get higher sales growth sometimes associated with as those new groups come on, particularly as it’s compared to the same quarter in the prior year.

Andrew Kligerman, Analyst, TD Securities: Thanks for that.

Conference Operator: We’ll now take our next question from Jimmy Bhullar of JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Jimmy Bhullar, Analyst, JPMorgan: Hey, good morning. So first, Tom, I just wanted to discuss your comments around guidance. I think the midpoint is up about $0.70 And you implied that a lot of it’s because of reserve release, but I think you said that some of it might also be because of higher assumed earnings on an ongoing basis because of sort of ongoing reserve remeasurement gains. So is that true? And to what extent are you able to quantify how much of the 70 is just a onetime 3Q impact versus maybe assuming normal earnings outside of the annual actuarial review?

Tom Kombach, Chief Financial Officer, Globe Life Inc.: Jimmy, you’re right. We expect mortality results to continue to run favorably and we’d expect those to continue throughout the year, which is not impacted by the assumption change. We’d expect like the fourth quarter life underwriting margins to be more in the 41% range. So that’s kind of indicative of some of those mortality results coming through. And then also some continued small benefits from health segment.

Frank Saboda, Co-Chief Executive Officer, Globe Life Inc.: Yes. The one thing I would add to that, Jimmy, is that we also, I think, seeing some favorable reductions, if you will, in our admin expenses. So our guidance, we reduced that just a little bit, see that as being closer to seven point three percent for the full year. And we’re really seeing some moderation in our IT expenses that’s kind of helping with that. So I think that will be something that will carry forward for us.

And then we did have a little bit of pickup in the overall guidance just from the additional repurchases that we had in the second year as well, which of course will continue to benefit us not only from the remainder of this year, but going forward as well.

Jimmy Bhullar, Analyst, JPMorgan: Okay. And then on direct sales, I think you had been down 16 quarters in a row on sales and direct on the Life side. And this quarter, there was a slight improvement. Is that channel close to bottoming? Or was this just a blip given that the comps were easy and but just trying to get an idea on whether you’re seeing some stability or signs of recovery there?

Matt Darden, Co-Chief Executive Officer, Globe Life Inc.: Yes. No, we do think this is a starting point from a recovery perspective. As I’ve mentioned, there’s some fundamental things that we have put in place that came online here at the beginning of the year. There’ll be some continued benefit of that activity from an underwriting perspective and which ultimately results in improvement from a conversion of those inquiries that we get in into ultimately issued policies. So we anticipate that continuing through the rest of the year.

The other thing that’s very important too is that to the extent that we are now able to convert our leads that we’re getting through that direct to consumer channel and we look at that conversion across the entire organization. The agent channel is able to convert those leads at a higher rate than a passive channel like direct to consumer. And so what that’s doing for us is that we analyze that in an aggregate basis, it gives us more margin to be able to spend on getting back into and expanding some of the campaigns that we’ve scaled back on. So there is a benefit to the direct to consumer sales just as a result of that continued marketing, in addition to the sales that will happen in the agency channel. And so I’d say those two things are really fundamental changes that drives our guide for the rest of the year of an overall increasing trend from a sales perspective.

So we’re very pleased to see those two things coming to fruition.

Jimmy Bhullar, Analyst, JPMorgan: And then just lastly on Bermuda, I realize, like, the structure is not final, and it’s a couple of years out. But and there’s, I guess, some discretion on how much business you decide to put into it. But if you do get a $200,000,000 benefit on annual free cash flow, assuming you’re using it for buyback, that sort of implies a two percentage point uptick in whatever your growth would have been otherwise. Is that the right way to think about it, or are there any other sort of offsets that would reduce the benefit versus what I mentioned?

Tom Kombach, Chief Financial Officer, Globe Life Inc.: No, I think that’s the right way to think about it, Jimmy.

Jimmy Bhullar, Analyst, JPMorgan: Okay, thank you.

Conference Operator: Thank you. We’ll now take our next question from Elyse Greenspan of Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Elyse Greenspan, Analyst, Wells Fargo: Thanks. Good morning. I guess my first question is just on some of the recent headlines we’ve seen from just Centene and some others just on the medical trends that have been making the news. It doesn’t seem like there has been any impact on you guys, but I was just hoping that you could address that.

Tom Kombach, Chief Financial Officer, Globe Life Inc.: I’ll comment on that, and then Matt or Frank you guys want to as well. That comment on Centene was primarily around Medicaid experience, which is kind of major medical coverage. And so I think the Medicare Supplement market is just quite a bit different. The demographics are a bit different. And I think in general, I think the experience is just different in the Medicare Supplement business versus the Medicaid business.

I think they also commented on some favorable trends in their Medicare Supplement side of things. Medicare Advantage, yes.

Elyse Greenspan, Analyst, Wells Fargo: Okay. And then my second question, if we just kind of look at the health business in general, kind of excluding the noise from the medical sub business, versus pre COVID, The margins seem pretty good. And we’re just trying to get a sense like is this kind of a good kind of run rate level to think about going forward? Or is there anything else to consider?

Tom Kombach, Chief Financial Officer, Globe Life Inc.: No, I think the supplemental health business, which is based upon the incidence of certain medical expenses and not really medical reimbursement overall. I think those trends have been fairly stable and consistent. And so I think we’re in a pretty good place there.

Frank Saboda, Co-Chief Executive Officer, Globe Life Inc.: Yes. No, I would agree. I think we really do like the supplemental health business that we have that’s limited benefit in the non supplemental health. It has been really good and stable for us. Especially, we really like the return of premium product that we have with Family Heritage that has continued to be a very good product for us and they’re showing really good growth with that.

And we really like that because it’s one, it stays on the books a little bit longer because of the return of premium feature as well as just having really good stable margins. And so we really see that continuing to grow for us and to be a positive addition going forward.

Elyse Greenspan, Analyst, Wells Fargo: And then one last one, is there any kind of update on just like relative to the DOJ and just on the ongoing investigation?

Matt Darden, Co-Chief Executive Officer, Globe Life Inc.: Really there have been no developments on both the DOJ and the SEC and investigations. And

Andrew Kligerman, Analyst, TD Securities: in fact,

Matt Darden, Co-Chief Executive Officer, Globe Life Inc.: we have not received any requests from either of those groups since the beginning of the year. So as a reminder, both the DOJ and the SEC, they have not asserted any claims or made any allegations against Globe Life or AIL and we’re not aware that there’s an intention to do so. So in the as I’ve said before, to the extent we have significant developments, we’ll be sure to update you.

Elyse Greenspan, Analyst, Wells Fargo: Thank you.

Conference Operator: Thank you. We’ll now take our next question from Ryan Krueger of KBW. Please go ahead.

Ryan Krueger, Analyst, KBW: Hey, thanks. Good morning. I had another Bermuda question. It looks like the $200,000,000 would be about 15% of your GAAP operating income. I guess I’m trying to think about what your free cash flow conversion could look like following Bermuda.

Seems like maybe it could be about 60% or so, but hoping to get some color from you guys on what you would expect.

Tom Kombach, Chief Financial Officer, Globe Life Inc.: Ryan, we haven’t really finalized that at this point in time. But I think your math is good and in line with kind of what would happen if we were to get that earlier. Like we obviously expect to have earnings growth over the coming years. So it really is dependent upon kind of the timing of the earnings emergence from the Bermuda subs and The US subs as it relates to the Bermuda affiliate. Yes.

Frank Saboda, Co-Chief Executive Officer, Globe Life Inc.: And Ryan, I would say, we have talked about really looking at how do we get that conversion rate. Does it make sense for us to have a higher conversion rate and trying to look at that 60% or so? Looking at this, is there an opportunity here? And this could potentially definitely help us to get at least to that level. And I would agree with Tom.

I mean, I think that’s kind of the math that is part of that. And of course, we really like it in that it gives additional flexibility to the holding company from just an overall liquidity and capital management perspective, as those dividends emerge just at a different timeframe than that they would be under just regular U. S. Statutory. So obviously it gives us flexibility for how we manage the capital within our organization.

And obviously then to the extent it’s truly excess, then it would be returned back out to the shareholders.

Ryan Krueger, Analyst, KBW: Thanks. And just to make sure I have this right, so the expected benefits are likely to start emerging in 2027 and beyond. Is that right?

Frank Saboda, Co-Chief Executive Officer, Globe Life Inc.: That’s what we’re seeing right now. And again, once we Okay, great. Yeah, as Matt mentioned, once we finalize the business plan and here over the remainder of this next quarter or so, we’ll have better insight into how some of that might emerge.

Jack Nathan, Analyst, BMO Capital Markets: Thank you.

Conference Operator: Thank you. We’ll now take our next question from John Barnidge of Piper Sandler. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Steven Mota, Senior Director of Investor Relations, Globe Life Inc.0: Thank you for the opportunity. My question is a follow-up on Bermuda. I know you talked about getting to 25% of the in force. Do you anticipate once that initial transaction establishes the infrastructure on the island, it’ll be a series of transactions that follow or one large one? Thank you.

Tom Kombach, Chief Financial Officer, Globe Life Inc.: Yes, John. We probably do a series of transactions as kind of that operation is up and running, including evaluating in force as well as some portion of new business being ceded to Bermuda as well.

Matt Darden, Co-Chief Executive Officer, Globe Life Inc.: Yes, I was going to say for clarity, the 25% of statutory reserves is more of a longer term view as we do in force blocks as well as the new business and we start seeding new business into there and as the reserves on that new business grow over time. And so that’s just our preliminary view. Somebody asked a question earlier, could that change over time? And the answer is yes, that could change over time as we get more of our plans finalized. And we’re focused on getting it up and running this year and then developing out what that looks like from a long term perspective.

Steven Mota, Senior Director of Investor Relations, Globe Life Inc.0: And because of the free cash flow freeze up and the leverage it creates on an operating perspective, at the same time, with some of these operational efficiencies that have been brought for automation, it sounds like, on applications that could lead to higher close rates. Do you think this will allow you to accelerate agent growth or maybe pursue opportunistic inorganic of other distribution channels? Thank you.

Matt Darden, Co-Chief Executive Officer, Globe Life Inc.: I mean, today, I’m not sure it really accelerate agent count growth because right now we don’t restrict sales in any manner because we’re not capital constrained. As we’ve mentioned, part of our cash flow conversion is because the amount of money that we’re investing in new sales every year. So to the extent that we start putting some of those new sales through a GAAP regime with the deferral of acquisition costs, then the timing of emergence under GAAP is different than stat. That would continue to help from a cash flow conversion ratio, but we’re not going to change the amount of investment into new sales because right now we invest all that we can that has the appropriate return, but it will provide us more flexibility. And then from a potential M and A perspective in the future, that could provide additional as we’ve said, additional cash flows at the parent company are strategic in nature and we look at funding a variety of things and then of course, returning excess to shareholders.

Steven Mota, Senior Director of Investor Relations, Globe Life Inc.0: Thank you.

Conference Operator: Thank you. We’ll now take our next question from Wilma Burgers of Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Steven Mota, Senior Director of Investor Relations, Globe Life Inc.1: Hey. Good morning. After the massive amount of buybacks you guys have done and then, you know, you’ve got a lot more capital you’re freeing up as well, Is M and A more interesting? I know there’s something you guys were looking at a couple eighteen months ago, maybe just give us an update there. Thanks.

Matt Darden, Co-Chief Executive Officer, Globe Life Inc.: There are M and A lens that we look through is always opportunistic and the fact that it has to fit in with our overall strategy. As we’ve said, we are distribution organic growth companies to the extent that it would add to that with expertise that we have that we feel like we could continue and enhance our growth. We’ll continue to look at those opportunities are not come along very often. And, you know, right now based on our view of our stock price and where that’s trading now from a compared to a historical level, still is the overall compelling use of our funds for continuing to invest in stock buyback. But, you know, we’ll continue to look for an M and A opportunity to the extent it makes strategic sense for us.

Steven Mota, Senior Director of Investor Relations, Globe Life Inc.1: Okay, thank you. I know a lot of people have asked about mortality, but given the reserve releases you guys anticipate in 3Q on the life side, the mortality remeasurement gets continue to accumulate. Can you just talk about how that would flow through future years? How do you guys think about it in the future? Thanks.

Tom Kombach, Chief Financial Officer, Globe Life Inc.: Yes, I think so well, right now, anticipate the our life mortality assumption to be fairly in line with pre pandemic levels, right? And I would say that the recent experience we’re seeing is a little bit below that. So to the extent that our recent experience continues, as I mentioned, we’d see continued remeasurement gains relative to that new baseline mortality assumption emerge even into next year. So I think we’ll just have to wait and see whether that mortality continues that we’re seeing currently.

Frank Saboda, Co-Chief Executive Officer, Globe Life Inc.: Yes, Wilma, the one thing I would just add to that is if just kind of by default, if you will, if those long term assumptions are what we ultimately expect that mortality to be over the long term. So we would expect, even though we are seeing some favorable mortality right now, we would expect that to trend back to those long term averages over time. Actual And experience emerges kind of in line with those long term expectations and long term assumptions, I think Tom mentioned that you’re kind of looking at a margin percentage, kind of similar to what we’re kind of projecting for the fourth quarter, which is in that forty point five percent to forty one percent, around forty one percent. We’ve talked on some prior calls that there’s probably still a little degradation of that that’s going to happen over the next couple of years, just as amortization. The transition to LDTI continues to, as that blends in on the changes to the DAC amortization.

But I think, to the extent that we have favorable mortality versus the long term assumptions,

Matt Darden, Co-Chief Executive Officer, Globe Life Inc.: like I

Frank Saboda, Co-Chief Executive Officer, Globe Life Inc.: said, we would expect those margins to be a little bit north of that.

Conference Operator: Okay. Thank you. We’ll now take our next question from Mark Hughes of Trace. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Jack Nathan, Analyst, BMO Capital Markets: Yes, thank you very much. How about last experience in the life business? You talked about that perhaps contributing to the remeasurement gain, but any observations there?

Tom Kombach, Chief Financial Officer, Globe Life Inc.: Yeah, I would say in general our lapse experience on their life business has been fairly consistent in with recent quarters. I think there’s a couple bright spots that for sure lapses at AIL actually were favorable this quarter. So that could be a fluctuation, but I also think that we’re pleased to see that as well. And then DTC is first year lapses have been direct to consumer channel. First year lapses have been consistent with prior quarters, but they’re still running a little bit higher than where they have from historical norms.

And so we’re continuing to monitor that to see whether that’s kind of the new normal or whether that comes back over time as well.

Frank Saboda, Co-Chief Executive Officer, Globe Life Inc.: Yes, I would say, overall, I think we’re pretty we’re pleased overall with the resiliency of the business, especially given some of the economic uncertainties that are kind of running through the marketplace in recent times. And as Tom said, we had, I must say, with the exception of DTC, we had good first year lapses in the second quarter, did improve sequentially over Q2. A lot of that is seasonality, that’s kind of typically happens. But overall, they’re kind of then staying or if you look at general levels, pretty consistent with our long term averages. And you kind of think about pre pandemic from that perspective, because we had very favorable lapses during the pandemic years.

So there definitely has been a recovery in our lapse rates to some of those pre pandemic levels. I’ll tell you in general, we’re pleased where they’re at given the kind of economic situations. And clearly not out of any kind of norm that we’ve seen in prior periods of some economic stress. But we think they’ve stabilized and feel pretty good with where they’re at right now.

Jack Nathan, Analyst, BMO Capital Markets: Understood. On the health business, the rate increase and then the slight reduction in utilization, was that fully reflected in the P and L, would you say in 2Q? Or is there some marginal improvement yet to come in 3Q?

Tom Kombach, Chief Financial Officer, Globe Life Inc.: I would say it’s fully reflected in the second quarter results. I mean, there’s a trickle that will come in later, but it’s really very, very small.

Frank Saboda, Co-Chief Executive Officer, Globe Life Inc.: And I think one of

Tom Kombach, Chief Financial Officer, Globe Life Inc.: the important pieces is that in that UAGA line, it includes individual med supplements as well as group coverages. And so the rate increases are really a function are really coming into play on the individual Medicare supplement business. But they’re fully reflected. Thank you.

Conference Operator: We’ll now take our next question from Wes Carmichael of Autonomous Research. Please go ahead.

Steven Mota, Senior Director of Investor Relations, Globe Life Inc.0: Hey. Thank thank you for fitting me in. I just ended the hour. So I I guess I wanted to talk about the direct to consumer channel. It’s it’s the first time, I think, in recent memory, you guys are talking pretty positively about that.

So I just wanted to get a little more color on what was the technology that you guys put into place. I I think if I think back, it was a lot a lot of mailings, and now it seems like that’s changed. So so maybe just the evolution there. And is there any associated increase in corporate or admin expenses from for marketing in that channel? Or or how should we think about that?

Matt Darden, Co-Chief Executive Officer, Globe Life Inc.: Sure. You know, you’re right. History was a significant amount of the marketing campaigns and inquiries came through more of a paper medium, whether it was mail or inserts. But over the last recent years, up to about 75% or 80% of that business really comes through a digital channel now and some of that is fulfilled through a call center that we have. But essentially, what’s happening is that the technology investments are associated with kind of the throughput of taking those leads and ultimately issuing those policies.

We’re able to utilize the data in a better way than we have in the past from a underwriting perspective. And so historically, part of the process was based on how people filled out applications. We had to have follow-up and understand some of those health situations better. Well, there’s a fall off because we can’t contact everybody that submitted an application. And so there’s a little bit of friction in the system from that perspective.

Now with the use of data, we can go ahead and issue certain policies with that meet our risk criteria and without even contacting an individual. And so a lot of that is just from a technology throughput perspective. We’re still issuing policies from a same risk profile perspective. We’re just able to do it much more efficiently. And so to the extent that our conversion rate goes up overall for that marketing spend because we’re spending money upfront for an estimate of what policies get issued at the end.

The combination of direct to consumer channels, conversion rate going up as well as being able to utilize that marketing spend in our agencies and the conversion of that marketing spend through sales in those agency channels changes the dynamic of evaluating the marketing spend for the policies and the profit estimated future profits that we’re ultimately issuing. So it enables us to spend more money on marketing as well as certain campaigns that were kind of on the bubble related to whether they were profitable or not. It makes them now more profitable. So to the extent that we spend more on marketing, we get more inquiries and the conversion goes across the organization. So we’re very pleased to see both of those factors coming into play that are going to benefit the sales on both sides of the equation, meaning direct to consumer and our agency channels.

Frank Saboda, Co-Chief Executive Officer, Globe Life Inc.: You raised the question on whether any of those expenses go through the corporate or admin expenses, and they do not. So as we look at increasing spend on there, that’s all acquisition cost that’s supported by the profits and the sales of DTC.

Steven Mota, Senior Director of Investor Relations, Globe Life Inc.0: Great. Thank you so much.

Conference Operator: Thank you. And we’ll now take our next question from Suneet Gomot of Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Steven Mota, Senior Director of Investor Relations, Globe Life Inc.2: Hi, thanks. Good morning or good afternoon, I guess, I know we’re going long, so I’ll just leave it at one. On the reviews, I appreciate your comment about not being contacted by anybody since the beginning of the year, but I think there still is a bit of an overhang on the stock from this issue. And I know you want to be probably careful about how much noise you make on it. But is there an objective here to just put this to bed maybe by the end of the year?

And if the government’s being slow, maybe just try to see if there’s anything that you can do to just put it behind you? Because it’s been going on for a while, and like I said, I think there still is a bit of an overhang on the stock. So curious about your thoughts or is the strategy just sit back and wait, let them come to you and when they have time to do that, they’ll do that?

Matt Darden, Co-Chief Executive Officer, Globe Life Inc.: No, we have proactive outreach. Of course, we’re not in control of the agency’s timing. I was just pointing out that we’ve received no new inquiries or requests from either agency for this calendar year. And you know, that’s what we know today. We’re still active in trying to bring that to fruition in resolution and we’d like to be able to communicate that.

But as I’ve mentioned before, these are informal processes and so being able to bring that to a conclusion that we can discuss publicly is definitely our goal.

Steven Mota, Senior Director of Investor Relations, Globe Life Inc.2: Okay, I’ll leave it there. Thanks.

Conference Operator: Thank you. And we will now take our last question from Tom Gallagher of Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.

Steven Mota, Senior Director of Investor Relations, Globe Life Inc.3: Hi. First question just on the $200,000,000 of additional annual free cash flow from Bermuda that you’re thinking. I know you said the initial benefits will start in 2027. Just curious, how long do you think it would take to get up to that run rate? That’s a very big percentage increase of your current free cash flow.

So is this five years down the road, or is it sooner than that? Can you give a little bit of color for how long you think that might it might take to get up to that level?

Tom Kombach, Chief Financial Officer, Globe Life Inc.: Yes. As I said earlier, it’s a little bit early to give you timing on that. And we still need to work through together that final business plan and getting regulatory approval and rating agency discussions solidified. So I think that’s an update for future call.

Matt Darden, Co-Chief Executive Officer, Globe Life Inc.: Yeah. It’s safe to say that would not all happen in year one, but we’ll have better timing discussion in the next couple of calls. But it’s also, you know, it’s not a ten year runway either. So it’s probably a three to five if we’re handicapping it, but we want to be able to finalize all those discussions that Tom just mentioned, and then we’ll give a little bit more clarity on timing.

Steven Mota, Senior Director of Investor Relations, Globe Life Inc.3: Got you. And then and just a mechanics question on the free cash flow. Does most of the $200,000,000 annual improvement come from acquisition expenses? Or are there other components like discount rate? Do you think you’ll get some benefit from this mortality improvement that you’ve seen?

It probably doesn’t sound like that, but I’m just curious if you could kind of dimension like what are the major drivers of the improvement?

Tom Kombach, Chief Financial Officer, Globe Life Inc.: Yes. I think it’s generally a difference between how statutory earnings emerge versus how GAAP earnings emerge is really the key difference. Yes.

Frank Saboda, Co-Chief Executive Officer, Globe Life Inc.: And the two big components of that, of course, are your deferred acquisition costs and how those are treated between GAAP and statutory as well, just differences in reserving.

Steven Mota, Senior Director of Investor Relations, Globe Life Inc.3: Makes sense. Thank you.

Conference Operator: Thank you. There are no further questions in queue. I will now hand it back to Steven Mota for closing remarks.

Steven Mota, Senior Director of Investor Relations, Globe Life Inc.: All right. Thank you for joining us this morning. Those are our comments. We will talk to you again next quarter.

Conference Operator: This concludes today’s call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.

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