Earnings call transcript: Mattersight Q4 2024 sees revenue growth despite EBITDA decline

Mattersight Corporation reported its financial results for the fourth quarter and full year of 2024, highlighting a mix of revenue growth and challenges in profitability. According to InvestingPro data, the company’s stock is currently trading at $7.34, having declined 25.4% year-to-date. The stock appears slightly undervalued based on InvestingPro’s Fair Value analysis, suggesting potential upside opportunity for investors. Mattersight’s Q4 revenue increased to 207.8 million dollars, representing an 8.5% year-over-year growth, while the full-year revenue reached 885.3 million dollars, marking a modest 0.5% rise. However, the company’s adjusted EBITDA from continuing operations saw a significant decline of 50.9% in Q4, amounting to 12.7 million dollars, and a 28.2% decrease for the full year, totaling 108.2 million dollars.

Key Takeaways

• Mattersight’s Q4 2024 revenue increased by 8.5% year-over-year.
• Adjusted EBITDA dropped significantly by 50.9% in Q4.
• The company completed a major production modernization program in North America.
• Mattersight acquired AmeriCable, expanding its wire and cable portfolio.
• The stock price remained unchanged post-announcement.

Company Performance

Mattersight’s performance in Q4 2024 was marked by a notable increase in revenue, driven by strategic initiatives such as the acquisition of AmeriCable and the completion of a production modernization program in North America. Despite these advances, the company faced challenges with profitability, as evidenced by the sharp decline in adjusted EBITDA. This decline was attributed to a mix of increased operational costs and market weaknesses in the onshore oilfield and Eurozone industrial sectors. However, Mattersight’s strong manufacturing footprint and competitive product offerings have positioned it well to capture market share amid these challenges.

Financial Highlights

• Q4 2024 Revenue: 207.8 million dollars (8.5% increase YoY)
• Full Year 2024 Revenue: 885.3 million dollars (0.5% increase YoY)
• Q4 2024 Adjusted EBITDA: 12.7 million dollars (50.9% decrease YoY)
• Full Year 2024 Adjusted EBITDA: 108.2 million dollars (28.2% decrease YoY)
• Net Debt to Adjusted EBITDA Ratio: 1.0x

Outlook & Guidance

Looking ahead, Mattersight anticipates meaningful year-over-year revenue and EBITDA growth in 2025, with a focus on maintaining EBITDA margins above 20%. InvestingPro analysis shows analyst consensus is moderately bullish, with price targets ranging from $8.32 to $15.26, suggesting potential upside from current levels. The company maintains a FAIR Financial Health Score of 2.34 out of 5, reflecting balanced operational performance. The company expects 10% growth across three of its four business lines and plans capital expenditures of 60 to 70 million dollars, with the majority allocated to growth investments. Mattersight is also concentrating on the integration of AmeriCable and returning capital to shareholders.

Executive Commentary

CEO Mike Freese described 2024 as a transformative year for Mattersight, emphasizing the company’s investments in technology and operational efficiency. "We continue to believe that our investments...will support our ambitions to deliver annual EBITDA growth above 10%," Freese stated. CFO Tom Holloway added, "We are positioned to fuel profitable growth, margin expansion, and enhanced free cash flow conversion in 2025."

Risks and Challenges

• Supply Chain Disruptions: Potential impacts from global supply chain issues could affect production timelines and costs.
• Market Weakness: Continued softness in the onshore oilfield and Eurozone industrial sectors may impact revenue growth.
• Tariff Implications: Cross-border operations could face challenges due to potential tariff changes.
• Economic Uncertainty: Macroeconomic pressures could influence customer spending and investment decisions.

Q&A

During the earnings call, analysts inquired about the potential impacts of tariffs on Mattersight’s operations, the integration strategy for AmeriCable, and expectations for inventory valuation and margins. For deeper insights into Mattersight’s financial health and future prospects, investors can access the comprehensive Pro Research Report, available exclusively on InvestingPro, which includes detailed analysis of the company’s competitive position and growth potential. The company provided insights into its working capital management and addressed seasonal business dynamics, highlighting its strategic focus on long-term growth and profitability.

Full transcript - Mattersight Corporation (MATR) Q4 2024:

Conference Operator: Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to Matters Fourth Quarter twenty twenty four Results Conference Call and Webcast. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers’ presentation, there will be a question and answer session. Please be advised that today’s conference is being recorded.

I would now like to hand the conference over to Megan McEachern, Vice President of Investor Relations and External Communications. Please go ahead.

Megan McEachern, Vice President of Investor Relations and External Communications, Matters: Good morning. Before we begin this morning’s conference call, I would like to take a moment to remind all listeners that today’s call includes forward looking statements that involve estimates, judgments, risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from those projected. The complete text of matters’ statement on forward looking information is included in Section four point zero of the fourth quarter twenty twenty four earnings press release in the MD and A that is available on SEDAR Plus and on the company’s website at matter.com. For those joining via webcast, you may follow the visual presentation that accompanies this call. I’ll now turn it over to Matters’ President and CEO, Mike Freese.

Mike Freese, President and CEO, Matters: Good morning, and thank you for attending our fourth quarter conference call. Today, Megan and I are joined by our Senior Vice President of Finance and CFO, Tom Holloway. In 2024, Masa continued to progress favorably against our key strategic objectives, transforming our operational footprint, securing the highly accretive acquisition of Amer Cable and lowering our cost of debt, all while navigating complex market conditions. Despite these market conditions, MATTER delivered new annual revenue records in three of our four business lines and achieved year over year revenue growth within our consolidated continuing operations. We ended 2024 with our North American production, modernization, expansion and optimization or MEO program largely completed, having established and commenced operations at three new U.

S. Manufacturing sites during the year. We expect to complete the final stage, the relocation of production activity for our ShoreFlex business into a new Canadian site before the middle of twenty twenty five. These new sites form the foundation of our ability to deliver long term profitable growth across Matas’ business portfolio, while also significantly increasing our ability to serve U. S.

Customers from U. S. Production sites. During 2024, we recognized $18,000,000 of non capitalizable expenses tied to our MEO strategy, which was the largest driver of a reduction in reported adjusted EBITDA from continuing operations when compared to the prior year. Late in the year, we announced a definitive agreement to acquire Amracable, a transaction that closed in early January, adding a U.

S. Production footprint and significantly greater scale to the wire and cable portfolio within our Connection Technologies segment. Closure of this transaction causes Connection Technologies to become the larger of our two segments. Over the course of 2024, we also repurchased more than 3,300,000.0 shares under our normal course issuer bid. In the aggregate, since the initial launch of our NCIB to the end of twenty twenty four, we bought back nearly 12% of our stock.

2024 was a transformative year for MATTER, a year in which we reshaped our production network to better serve our North American customer base and positioned ourselves for growth in 2025 and beyond. This would not have been possible without the hard work of our talented employees to drive and embrace change in the face of elevated market uncertainty. I could not be more proud of this organization and the committed and creative individuals who work here. With our transformation effectively complete, the entire MATTER team are now focused on delivering maximum value from our enhanced operational footprint and our technology investments, while efficiently onboarding and profitably growing the AMR cable business. Our infrastructure is now in place and we have significant opportunities to enhance efficiency over the years to come, elevating our margin profile and expanding our free cash flow.

Turning to the fourth quarter, MASA saw normal seasonal slowing across all business lines as many customers moderated activity heading into the year end and ground conditions became less favorable for subsurface product installations. While North American critical infrastructure demand remained stable, as expected, we continue to see weakness across the North American onshore oilfield market, Eurozone industrial sector and increasingly the global automotive market. Amidst these market dynamics, MATTA delivered $2.00 $8,000,000 in revenue and $13,000,000 in adjusted EBITDA from continuing operations. The company currently expects weakness in the oilfield and automotive sectors to linger throughout 2025. Consequently, while we are confident our technology development investments will continue to enable market share capture regardless of underlying customer activity, we took steps during the fourth quarter to lower operating costs tied to these specific end markets by approximately $20,000,000 annually.

In parallel, we completed the establishment of and initial production within our new DSG Kanusa facility in Fairfield, Ohio, while also concluding the shutdown of our aged Xerxes production facility in Anaheim, California. During the quarter, we also reopened our debt subscription receipts, closing on a private offering, which was utilized to finance the AMR cable acquisition subsequent to the year end. I encourage any investor seeking to better understand the AMR cable business and how we believe it will favorably impact matter to review the November 8 transcript of our conference call on this topic. We continue to believe that our investments in technology, operational efficiency and enhanced production capabilities will support our ambitions to deliver annual EBITDA growth above 10% while driving EBITDA margins above 20% and that our acquisition of AmeriCable will serve to accelerate our progress towards these goals. Finally, we remain convinced that the intrinsic value of our business represents an excellent investment opportunity and as such, we remain active under our normal course issuer bid throughout Q4 and expect to remain so moving forward.

Q4 represented the most active purchasing period of 2024 with nearly 1,900,000.0 shares repurchased. Looking at each of our segments, Composite Technologies fourth quarter revenue moved up compared to 2023 with year over year gains in both FlexPipe and Xerxes despite normal seasonal slowing. FlexPipe’s continued share gains in North American onshore oilfield markets, including further large diameter product adoption drove fourth quarter North American revenue to move higher year over year, significantly outperforming North American drilling rig and well completion counts, which fell approximately 621% respectively in the same period. Given current and forward strip commodity prices, we continue to expect North American onshore well completion activity levels in 2025 will average approximately 10% below 2024. Despite this anticipated market activity decline, our demonstrated ability to outperform key market activity indicators leads us to believe full year 2025 FlexPipe revenue will be similar to 2024 with quarterly revenue levels likely to be relatively even throughout the year.

We remain confident that the substantial investments made in FlexPipe technology, training and domestic operational infrastructure over the past several years have positioned the business well for the future despite near term industry headwinds. And we remain on schedule to deliver additional product portfolio expansions towards the end of twenty twenty five, which are expected to add 50% or more to our global addressable market. Within the Xerxes business, Q4 revenue increased versus the prior year’s quarter with fuel tank shipments rising more than 25% year over year as retail fuel customers better navigated the extended permitting process that encumbered convenience store construction in late twenty twenty three and early twenty twenty four. Demand also remains strong for very large diameter water storage and backup fuel tanks used in mission critical applications such as The U. S.

Data center market, with the segment expanding its backlog for these products. Customer mix in the fuel sector was skewed to larger lower priced customers as expected, and as previously noted, this mix is likely to remain similar through the first quarter of twenty twenty five before moving favorably as we enter the second quarter construction season. We expect fuel tank shipments and related revenue during 2025 to follow a normal weather and ground condition driven seasonal cycle, where the first quarter of the year is generally the slowest quarter of the year, followed by a step up in the second quarter as ground conditions generally improve. Q4 saw our new FlexPipe manufacturing site in Rockwall, Texas and our new Xerxes manufacturing site in Blythewood, South Carolina continue to increase output. Both locations are expected to demonstrate progressively greater productivity as we move through 2025.

The segment will continue to strategically balance production between its U. S. And Canadian sites to optimize our total cost of delivery, including in response to any tariff impacts. As noted in our Q3 twenty twenty four earnings release, the segment adjusted its fixed cost base during the fourth quarter to reflect near term oilfield market conditions. Also during the fourth quarter, the segment incurred approximately $3,600,000 of non routine expenses tied both to pre positioning of finished goods inventory in advance of possible tariff implementation and to address a discrete customer issue.

With production network upgrades and fixed cost reductions within the segment now complete, we are well positioned to regain revenue and margin momentum in 2025. Our demonstrated ability to consistently capture market share in the Flexpipe business in spite of market softness coupled with rising demand for our Xerxes underground storage tanks and growing backlog within fuel and water markets gives us a strong foundation for profitable growth in 2025. Within the Xerxes business, demand for premium underground liquid fuel storage tanks continues to rise. North American fuel marketers, many of whom are private, have outlined growth initiatives which we estimate will translate to an average capital spend increase of approximately 10% versus 2024, predominantly driven by new to industry store construction. Retailers’ fuel margins remain healthy and steady demand for liquid fuels is expected to continue, with more than 98% of vehicles on U.

S. Roads relying on liquid fuel. We do not expect this percentage to change appreciably in the coming years as adjusting consumer preferences coupled with U. S. Policy changes impacting electric vehicle subsidies and automaker production targets are likely to have a slowing effect on EV sales growth rates.

There has been a constant rise in the number of active convenience stores with fuel in The U. S. Over the last several years. Larger convenience store operators are investing to capture incremental customer share from smaller marketers by offering modern, well lit, more appealing fueling sites stocked with an enhanced range of food and other convenience items. Data from recent years suggest this strategy is working, with those operators controlling 500 stores or more gradually representing a larger proportion of total active fueling sites.

When combined with rising demand for replacement tanks as the existing population further ages, we continue to believe this market will enable growth within our Xerxes fuel business for years to come. Turning to Connection Technologies. Year over year revenue increased by 11% marking a new Q4 revenue record for the segment. This strong fourth quarter outcome was primarily driven by persistent demand in the North American industrial sector and continued market share gains with industrial and automotive customers, partially offset by slowing total automotive unit production and as expected lower shipments into infrastructure applications based on project timing. During Q4, the segment’s SureFlex highly engineered wire and cable business maintained its strong demand for stock industrial products, primarily from its Canadian distributor customers who are gradually rebuilding inventory levels as interest rates move lower and industrial activity trends higher.

As expected, sales of these stock products came at below average margins, which caused overall margins within the business to remain at the lower end of its typical range. Our nuclear customers are signaling steady rising activity levels as we move into 2025 and beyond, and the business continues to invest in the qualification of incremental products to further expand this addressable nuclear market. The segment’s DSG Knoosa premium heat shrink tubing business secured new customers and captured incremental market share in its core industrial and automotive markets. These gains were partially offset by continued weakening of global vehicle production output as several customers took corrective action in the face of profitability challenges, particularly related to electric vehicles. In response to these lower activity levels and in anticipation that this trend will linger throughout 2025, we took action to adjust our cost base during the fourth quarter.

Despite concerns regarding automotive market activity, our current visibility suggests DSG Kanusa will deliver year over year revenue growth in 2025, driven by new customer capture and new product introduction, primarily in North America. We believe that electrification demands will continue to backstop momentum in North American industrial and infrastructure activity. Our already favorable view of opportunities within these sectors is further enhanced by our recent acquisition of AmeriCable, which closed on January 2 and nearly doubles the revenue of our Connection Technologies segment. Early views from the onboarding period have reinforced our belief in cross selling opportunities between AMR cable and SureFlex and have affirmed our optimism regarding meaningful growth potential for AMR cable in the North American medium voltage market. We currently anticipate overall 2025 performance from AMR cable will approximate our pre transaction expectations with Q1 likely to be the strongest quarter of the year driven by specific timing of certain mining related projects.

The successful capture of market share in utility, nuclear and non stock industrial markets is a crucial component of the segment’s longer term growth and profit expansion strategy and a key driver behind our substantial ongoing investment to modernize, expand and bifurcate the segment’s North American production footprint. During the quarter, the segment’s DSG Canusa heat shrink factory relocation to Fairfield, Ohio was substantially completed. Our new Shoreflex wire and cable factory in Vaughan, Ontario also commenced production in the quarter and relocation efforts remain on track for mid year completion. Lastly, Thermotite, our Brazilian pipe coating operation, which following our announcement of its pending sale to Valorick is now reported as discontinued operations continued to execute safely and efficiently during the quarter, delivering sequentially higher revenue and adjusted EBITDA. Based on the sequencing of project activity, Thermotite is currently expected to deliver Q1 twenty twenty five revenue and adjusted EBITDA slightly below its level of performance in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four.

We expect to close on the sale of Thermotite in the coming months. Tom will now walk through the company’s fourth quarter and full year financial highlights.

Tom Holloway, Senior Vice President of Finance and CFO, Matters: Thanks, Mike. The fourth quarter’s revenue from continuing operations was $207,800,000 8 point 5 percent higher than the $191,500,000 in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty three. The $16,300,000 increase from the fourth quarter of twenty twenty three is reflective of increases of $8,500,000 in the Connection Technology segment and $7,800,000 in the Composite Technologies segment. Total consolidated adjusted EBITDA from operations, which includes discontinued operations, was $21,100,000 while adjusted EBITDA from continuing operations was $12,700,000 a 50.9% decrease from the comparative period in the prior year. This decrease of $13,200,000 is primarily attributed to a decline of $10,600,000 in gross profit related to temporary impacts of unabsorbed costs at Xerxes and pipe manufacturing sites.

Changes in product and customer mix and the impact of non routine expenses tied to pre positioning of finished goods inventory in advance of possible tariff implementation and to address a discrete customer issue in the Composites segment. We also recorded 3,800,000 related to our MEO growth activities during the quarter with $2,100,000 included in selling, general and administrative costs and $1,700,000 in gross margin. While these MEO costs are slightly below our expected spend rate, the lower expense represents deferred spending during the fourth quarter, which will be spent in the first half of twenty twenty five. All MEO projects remain on time and on budget. In the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four, the company also incurred restructuring costs of $4,900,000 associated primarily with severance obligations tied to workforce restructuring in our automotive and oilfield related business lines completed in the quarter.

Additionally, during the quarter, we incurred $1,700,000 of costs related to the acquisition of Amer Cable and $2,200,000 of costs associated with non recurring Canadian pension related obligations. These costs were partially offset by a reduction of $4,300,000 in long term share based incentive accruals due to share price movements. All of these items were added back to adjusted EBITDA and are included in our reconciliation of non GAAP measures. Turning to segment results. The Composite Technologies segment revenue was $120,300,000 a 6.9% increase compared to the fourth quarter of twenty twenty three and adjusted EBITDA was $9,400,000 a 50.1% decrease from the prior year fourth quarter.

This revenue increase was primarily attributable to increased sales of FRP tanks into retail fuel applications along with the rise in composite pipe sales in North America in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four compared to the same period in 2023. The adjusted EBITDA reduction was primarily due to a decrease in gross profit of $8,100,000 This was driven by an 8.6 percentage point decrease in gross margin compared to the fourth quarter of twenty twenty three, attributed to a $2,600,000 non routine provision related to a specific customer order, $1,000,000 of costs related to inventory pre positioning ahead of possible tariff implementation, lower overhead absorption within the segment’s manufacturing network, primarily related to the ramp up of the new facilities and a modestly less favorable mix of product sales in Flexite. Fourth quarter twenty twenty four adjusted EBITDA also includes $400,000 in non capitalizable MEO cost within the segment’s reported selling, general and administrative expenses. The segment will not record any MEO cost beyond the end of twenty twenty four. The Connection Technologies segment delivered a new fourth quarter revenue record of $87,500,000 which was 11% higher than the fourth quarter of twenty twenty three.

Segment adjusted EBITDA was $10,000,000 which was $4,100,000 lower than the prior year fourth quarter, primarily as a consequence of 3,500,000 in NEO costs and a reduction of 5.9 percentage points in gross margin due to less favorable product mix within the Shawflex business. The increase in segment revenue was a result of higher demand for lower margin stock industrial products from Canadian distributors in Shawflex and increased sales into automotive markets in North America and EMEA reflecting market share gains for the DSG business. This was partially offset by lower sales in U. S. And Canadian infrastructure markets due to specific project timing.

Discontinued operations, which consist primarily of the pipe coating operations in Brazil, reported revenue of $23,800,000 a decrease of 91.6% compared to the fourth quarter of twenty twenty three, primarily resulting from the absence of revenue from the operations sold to Tenerys late in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty three and which contributed heavily to the comparative period. Adjusted EBITDA was $8,300,000 which compared to the $111,800,000 recorded in the prior year fourth quarter reflecting the aforementioned lower revenue and the impact of the operations previously sold. Turning to cash flow, cash provided by operating activities from continuing operations in the fourth quarter was $45,200,000 compared to $3,100,000 of cash used in operating activities from continuing operations in the prior year fourth quarter. This result reflects effective management of working capital during the quarter, especially around accounts receivable. Cash used in investing activities in the fourth quarter was $15,700,000 reflecting a capital spend of $16,100,000 on property, plant and equipment, primarily MEO projects offset by $1,100,000 in proceeds on disposal of assets.

During the fourth quarter, cash provided by financing activities was $276,500,000 primarily driven by $179,900,000 from a drawdown of the company’s credit facility and $127,300,000 on issue of senior notes to partially fund its purchase of Ammer Cable, which closed on 01/02/2025. This is partially offset by $25,400,000 in share repurchases under the company’s normal course issuer bid and $2,900,000 in lease liability payments for continuing operations, excluding the imputed interest on leases. Net cash generated in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four was $316,500,000 As of 12/31/2024, we had a cash balance of $502,500,000 net debt of $131,900,000 and $34,200,000 of standard letters of credit. As of the end of the quarter, the company’s net debt to adjusted EBITDA ratio was one point zero times, including lease liabilities, which reflects the additional debt raised to fund the acquisition of the Amercable business. Lease liabilities increased to $163,100,000 in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four, due primarily to foreign exchange movements.

As a reminder, we funded the early January Ameren Cable transaction through a mix of balance sheet cash, unsecured high yield debt, and our credit facility, which is expected to temporarily increase our leverage above our normal course target of two times. Pro form a for this transaction and based on the results from the fourth quarter, our trailing twelve month net debt to adjusted EBITDA ratio at 12/31/2024, would have been approximately 2.5 times or 1.7 times if lease liabilities were excluded. As discussed previously, we remain committed to returning to a normal course ratio of 2x or below. Speaking of capital deployment, we remind investors that since the beginning of twenty twenty one to the end of twenty twenty four and including the capital outflow to acquire Amercable, MATTER is deploying over $1,000,000,000 of capital under our all of the above strategy, while maintaining strict balance sheet discipline. In that period, we have paid down over $260,000,000 on our credit facility, deployed over $200,000,000 into high return organic growth initiatives and repurchased over $115,000,000 or nearly 12% of our shares.

Post transaction, MATTER will retain financial flexibility and expects to adjust near term capital allocation priorities to emphasize debt repayment, complete existing growth investments and continue share repurchases under our NCIB. We will also continue to cultivate our pipeline of acquisition opportunities, primarily focused on further enhancement of our Connection Technologies segment. Capital expenditures in the quarter were $33,100,000 including outstanding payments to suppliers, of which $26,800,000 was related to growth expenditures. These were primarily related to MEO projects, which are intended to increase production capacity and efficiency within both segments. MEO projects for Composite Technologies and DSG Kanusa are now online and ramping up production, while our relocation of the Shawflex production footprint is expected to be completed by mid-twenty twenty five.

All projects remain on time and on budget. Turning to full year 2024 results. This was a year of transformation with strong strategic execution, while also driving annual revenue records in three of our four operating business lines. Revenue from continuing operations in the year was $885,300,000 0 point 5 percent higher than the $880,500,000 in 2023. Adjusted EBITDA from continuing operations was $108,200,000 a 28.2% decrease from the prior year, primarily attributed to $17,700,000 in non capitalizable MEO costs, the temporary impact associated with unabsorbed costs at newly established Xerxes and FlexPipe sites as well as other legacy Xerxes sites that underwent significant upgrades and less favorable customer and product mix.

Consolidated results for the year also included a loss of $18,300,000 on the sales of our PPG and Shaw pipeline services businesses. Of the $17,700,000 of non capitalizable MEO costs, $11,500,000 was in Composite Technologies and $6,100,000 was in Connection Technologies. We also incurred $8,400,000 of net restructuring costs, non recurring costs associated with Canadian retirement plans of $2,200,000 related to the wind down of our Canadian defined benefit plans and $1,700,000 of costs associated with the acquisition of Amercable. Turning to segment results, Composite Technologies segment revenue was $528,400,000 a 1.3% decrease compared to 2023 and adjusted EBITDA was $72,200,000 a 36% decrease from the prior year. These results reflect lower FRP tank production and shipment activity during the first quarter of twenty twenty four, the recognition of non capitalizable MEO costs, the temporary impact associated with unabsorbed costs in newly constructed or upgraded facilities, and a less favorable customer and product mix.

This was partially offset by full year record revenue in FlexPipe, driven by continued market share gain in North America and internationally. Connection Technologies segment revenue was $357,000,000 a 3.5% increase compared to 2023 and adjusted EBITDA was $56,800,000 a 15% decrease from the prior year. These results reflect increased demand for the segment’s products in its industrial, infrastructure and automotive end markets, offset by the absence of a large shipment into the aerospace market that benefited the prior year period, an increase in non capitalizable MEO costs and a less favorable product mix within the Shawflex business. Both Shawflex and DSG Knoosa set new annual revenue records in 2024. Discontinued operations revenue was $74,400,000 a 92% decrease compared to 2023, primarily resulting from the absence of the pipe coating business sold to Tenerys in 2023.

Adjusted EBITDA was $22,500,000 a 91% decrease from the prior year, reflecting the aforementioned lower revenue. Full year 2024 cash provided by operating activities was $51,300,000 reflecting $68,700,000 in cash from net income from continuing operations after non cash items offset by a $17,700,000 increase in working capital from continuing operations. Cash used by investing activities in the year was $155,000,000 reflecting $110,400,000 of capital expenditures paid in cash and $49,300,000 paid in cash to settle the net working capital adjustment to Teneris on the sale of the PPG business. During the year, cash generated by financing activities was $259,800,000 reflecting a net debt increase of $317,400,000 including a drawdown on our credit facility and a new issue of senior notes offset by repayment of bank indebtedness and long term debt. Offsetting the increase in net debt was $11,100,000 of lease payments and $47,300,000 in share repurchases under the company’s normal course issuer bid.

Net cash generated in 2024 was $168,400,000 The past year saw MATTER effectively complete its transformation to become a less volatile business focused on the deployment and delivery of differentiated high value critical infrastructure products. With our transformation now complete, we are positioned to fuel profitable growth, margin expansion and enhanced free cash flow conversion in 2025

Conference Operator: and

Tom Holloway, Senior Vice President of Finance and CFO, Matters: beyond. We remain committed to pursuing high return organic growth opportunities and successfully deployed over 110,000,000 of growth capital to optimize and enhance our production footprint during 2024, slightly above our original expectation as certain projects were executed faster than anticipated. We currently anticipate $60,000,000 to $70,000,000 of capital expenditures during 2025 with $45,000,000 to $55,000,000 directed to growth investments, including completion of our remaining MEO projects. We continue to expect a normal annual capital spend rate of $40,000,000 to $50,000,000 per year from 2026 onwards. I’ll now turn it back to Mike for some final comments.

Thanks, Tom.

Mike Freese, President and CEO, Matters: Matta has completed its disposition of non core assets with the exception of the sale of Thermotite, which is expected to close around mid year. In addition, we have largely completed the modernization, expansion and optimization of our North American production network with the remaining relocation of our SureFlex manufacturing site expected to be complete by mid year. Consequently, over the course of 2025, we expect to return to more normalized operations with an intense focus on elevating the value delivered from our restructured operational footprint and our technology investments, while also ensuring full integration and optimization of the Amracable acquisition and continuing to return capital to shareholders through our NCIB. Normal seasonal and market cycles will continue to drive some variation in quarterly activity levels. However, we believe the underlying long term trends for each of matters primary businesses are favorable and expect them to remain so for several years.

Long duration North American critical infrastructure activity remains robust and demand for our core products is expected to persist. We remain vigilant towards the potential impacts of geopolitical events, supply chain risks, inflationary impacts and interest rate movements and continue to take steps designed to minimize our risk related to rising international trade friction. Given the material uncertainty regarding the potential duration and scope of tariffs, our outlook does not include tariff impacts. Provide a relative indication of our exposure to potential North American tariff impacts, in 2024, inclusive of AMR cable, approximately 30% of our continuing operations revenue was derived from product sales that crossed The U. S./Canadian border and approximately 45% of our cost of goods sold were tied to materials that crossed the border.

We currently expect to lower these exposures over the course of 2025 as our new facilities elevate production output. We continue to watch closely as more information becomes available on tariff implementation and scope and remain prepared to take additional mitigating actions, including increasing the selling prices of our products if necessary. Barring potential long duration North American tariffs, we currently expect meaningful year over year growth in 2025 revenue and adjusted EBITDA, driven primarily by our Connection Technologies segment, inclusive of the Amercable acquisition and the Xerxes business within our Composite Technologies segment. We expect our Xerxes business will follow its normal seasonal cycle, starting 2025 at its low point before stepping up in the second quarter of the year as ground conditions improve. As I detailed earlier, the markets for both our fuel and water products remain constructive and our teams are intensely focused on elevating production output, including from our new and newly refurbished sites.

Based on our current view of the North American onshore oilfield market, we anticipate relatively flat performance year over year in our Flexpipe business with revenue likely to be evenly spread across the year as continued expected share gains are offset by gradually declining customer activity levels. Our DSG Kanusa business is expected to deliver year over year growth in spite of muted global automotive production, driven primarily by new customer capture in North American infrastructure and industrial markets. Within our wire and cable businesses, we’re expecting top line growth driven by continued share gains in Shore Flex and the addition of Amra cable. Given the timing of deliveries into specific mining projects, we estimate that the first quarter of the year will be the highest revenue quarter of twenty twenty five for our wire and cable businesses. While tariff impacts remain a question mark for any organization operating across borders, over the last several years, MATTER has demonstrated its ability to embrace change, to be nimble and to act swiftly when opportunities or challenges arise.

The actions we have taken to enhance our U. S. Production footprint and diversify our supply chain have better positioned the company to navigate today’s unpredictable geopolitical environment. We continue to observe broadly favorable indicators of demand across the North American industrial and critical infrastructure sectors for 2025 and firmly believe the company remains well positioned to deliver on its longer term growth, profitability and cash flow objectives. I’ll now turn the call over to the operator and open it up for any questions you may have for myself, Tom or Megan.

Conference Operator: Our first question comes from the line of David Ocampo with Cormark Securities.

David Ocampo, Analyst, Cormark Securities: Thanks. Good morning, everyone.

Mike Freese, President and CEO, Matters: Good morning, David.

David Ocampo, Analyst, Cormark Securities: Mike and Tom, I appreciate the commentary around tariffs and your disclosure on your cross border, exposure at 30%. I’m curious if you guys are the importer of records on your products and have you spoken to your customers about their ability to absorb some of the tariff costs or is it something that’s going to be shared by both you and the customer?

Mike Freese, President and CEO, Matters: So generally speaking, I would say the majority of our cross border revenue is within the composites segment. So there’s a little bit on connections, but composites is really where the bulk of it lays. And it’s dependent on the business line. But for Flexpipe, generally, we are the importer of record. For Xerxes, generally, we are not.

So I think what we’re going to see if tariffs go into place on products that we manufacture are some interesting conversations. Obviously, those conversations have been happening and will continue to happen. But I would anticipate that in most cases, we would be passing the cost of those tariffs to our customers. And depending on the circumstances, there may be one or two cases where there is a little bit of a split. But largely speaking, I think this will be a cost that our customers ultimately are better positioned to absorb than we are.

What I would just say is 100% of the product that we manufacture that is sold cross border is USMCA compliant. So as the tariff situation stands today, none of our products are subject to tariff, but obviously that may evolve. And then the last thing I’d say is, I think we’ve demonstrated that we are a nimble organization. We’ve established a far more robust U. S.

Manufacturing footprint over the last eighteen months. We are far better positioned to navigate this set of circumstances today than we would have been two years ago. And we have already pre positioned a fairly substantial volume of finished goods, flex pipe inventory in The U. S. So that’s the one major business line where we are the importer of record.

David Ocampo, Analyst, Cormark Securities: Yes, that makes a lot of sense, Mike. But have your customers spoken to any demand destruction if they’re the ones that are going to be absorbing the costs? Maybe it’s a bit too early to comment on that, but any commentary around that would be great.

Mike Freese, President and CEO, Matters: I think the one business line where if tariffs go into effect for a meaningful period of time, the one business line where we know there will be destruction of demand is in the auto sector. And that is more to do with our customers’ supply chains than it is to do with us. I would say broadly speaking, and as we’ve discussed many times, we specialize in the manufacture of unique products that make up a very small percentage of the total project cost for our customers. So whether it is the drilling and completion of an oil well for flex pipe, the construction of a convenience store with fuel for Xerxes or power generation, power distribution networks in the Connection Technologies segment, we make up a very small percentage of total project cost. I think a tariff on our particular component of that cost is unlikely to cause lower activity from customers.

We just have to be thoughtful and keep an eye on how our competitors are behaving. But broadly speaking, I think we’ll see our competitors in post business lines impacted by a similar degree.

David Ocampo, Analyst, Cormark Securities: Okay, that’s perfect. And then maybe a last one from you before I hop back in the queue. The backlog for traditional fuel tanks seems quite strong heading into 2025. Just curious how many months of backlog you have today and how that compares to probably this time last year? And then within the backlog, I’m guessing a

Tim Monachello, Analyst, ATB Capital Markets: lot of that has to

David Ocampo, Analyst, Cormark Securities: do with larger and more complex tanks, So potentially even higher margins than we’ve seen in the past.

Mike Freese, President and CEO, Matters: So to address the last point there, we certainly have the expectation that Zookes delivers higher full year margins ’25 than it did in ’24. The backlog as we sit here today, while we won’t give a perfect number to you, it is as high as it’s been since January of twenty twenty two. It is more than double where it was this time last year and it represents the majority of the revenue we expect that business to generate in 2025.

David Ocampo, Analyst, Cormark Securities: Okay, that’s perfect. I’ll hop back in the queue. Thanks a lot.

Mike Freese, President and CEO, Matters: Thanks.

Conference Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Yuri Lynk with Canaccord Genuity.

Yuri Lynk, Analyst, Canaccord Genuity: Hey, good morning guys.

Mike Freese, President and CEO, Matters: Good morning.

Ian Gillies, Analyst, Stifel: Just wanted to chase down a couple of discrete items that you called out in the Q3 call, particularly around the severance. I think you were calling out $6,000,000 to $8,000,000 I think it came in $4,900,000 And then what I’m trying to get out with that one is, you were kind of guiding to $20,000,000 of cost savings as a result of that severance. Is that still the plan?

Tom Holloway, Senior Vice President of Finance and CFO, Matters: Yes. So Yuri, what I would say is, we have executed all of the expected reductions. And as part of that program, when we evaluated it, it was more of a workforce reduction program as a totality for the organization to match demand in the market. And because of that, we were able to classify it as a restructuring activity. So I know that was a departure from what we thought we would be.

But if you think about I’ll go ahead and address a couple of other points with my comments. If you think about if you were to subtract that $5,000,000 ish of severance costs And then we had a discrete item related to one of our customers that was $2,600,000 I would add that back in terms of just getting to a normal operational result and the $1,000,000 of tariff related costs movement across the border. But you get to a roughly equivalent place. So I think the EBITDA at a reported level is roughly what an operational normalized EBITDA would look like. So a few things embedded in that comment, but I just wanted to take the opportunity to address each

Mike Freese, President and CEO, Matters: of those. And then on the savings side, as Tom said, when we worked our way through the middle portion of 2024, we were still a little more optimistic about the oilfield and automotive markets that we would be encountering in the latter stages of 2024 into 2025. Obviously, we’ve tempered those expectations and did so late in Q3, early Q4 and therefore made the decision to take cost out of the organization. So the way we sit today, I think we have the right cost base for the revenue levels that we’re anticipating in 2025.

Ian Gillies, Analyst, Stifel: Okay. And then transaction expenses associated with AmeriCable, I think you were talking $8,000,000 to $9,000,000 in Q4 and I saw $1,700,000 So are they getting pushed into Q1 and how will they be treated in your EBITDA?

Tom Holloway, Senior Vice President of Finance and CFO, Matters: Yes, great question. So the 8% to 9% is still a pretty good estimate. The 1.7% was just incurred in the fourth quarter and we added it back to EBITDA for the first quarter, you’ll see the balance of those costs hit and also be added back to EBITDA. So no departure from overall treatment just because the timing across the year, some of those costs across the year as well.

Ian Gillies, Analyst, Stifel: Okay. And last one, just MEO, given some of the deferrals, can you just update us on what we should expect in Q1 and Q2 of twenty twenty five, please? Thank you.

Tom Holloway, Senior Vice President of Finance and CFO, Matters: Yes, of course. So we expect MEO cost of $7,000,000 to $8,000,000 in 2025, roughly evenly spread across the first two quarters. So I think $3,000,000 to $4,000,000 each quarter, all in the Connection Technologies segment. I’ll just reiterate the comments I made on in the script. There will be no MEO costs in Composite Technologies going forward.

So we are finished with that process.

Ian Gillies, Analyst, Stifel: Thanks. I’ll turn it over.

Tom Holloway, Senior Vice President of Finance and CFO, Matters: Thanks, Gary.

Conference Operator: Our next question comes from Tim Monachello with ATB Capital Markets.

Tim Monachello, Analyst, ATB Capital Markets: Hey, thanks for taking my question. I’m curious on the FlexType, your competitors or your largest competitor in their Q4 results are signaling through lower quarter over quarter revenue in their business in Q1. Sounds like you’re not seeing that or maybe market share gains are stronger for you. Can you just talk a little bit about the near term outlook for FlexPipe?

Mike Freese, President and CEO, Matters: Certainly. So you’re right. When we generally look at FlexPipe, I think Q4 of twenty twenty four, Q1 of ’20 ’20 ’5 are probably going to be similar in terms of revenue. As you’ve seen consistently over the course of last year, despite a fairly aggressive reduction in total completion activity in North America, we’ve been able to drive incremental gains, modest but incremental nonetheless. This really is an artifact of us introducing larger diameter products that effectively doubled the addressable market for that business line.

We introduced in late twenty twenty one and then into 2022 and over the course of 2023, ’20 ’20 ’4 and rolling into 2025, we’re maturing our market share. So that’s really the primary driver. Larger diameter products in Flexpipe made up a little over one third of total revenue during the full year 2024, so continuing to progress nicely. And in addition to being able to sell large diameter where previously we couldn’t, It also gives us access to some customers who consume both large and small diameter, but prefer to buy everything from a single vendor. So as we think about our revenue progression over the course of 2024, it hasn’t just been large diameter growing.

There’s also been some share gains and customer onboarding with our traditional smaller diameter products as well. I think one of the things we’re most excited about in 2025 is clearly not the market conditions, but our ability to perform within those markets and the rate of progress that we’re making on being in a position to finally offer seven inches and eight inches products. So the next step up in size, which as I said on the call would be open another 50% addressable market. So I think we’ll be in a position to start talking to customers about those products very late in 2025 into early twenty twenty six and the future I think for FlexPipe over the next several years even in a let’s call it relatively flat North American operating environment is really quite bright.

Tim Monachello, Analyst, ATB Capital Markets: Okay. That’s helpful. I guess in an environment where tariffs are implemented, the FlexType business might be at a cost disadvantage to its largest competitor in The U. S. Do you expect to continue to pre position inventory through the first quarter or until tariffs are ultimately either imposed or canceled?

And then secondly, if you do see a longer term duration for tariffs, are you thinking about moving production lines into The U. S. Because you have some floor space available in Rockwall?

Mike Freese, President and CEO, Matters: Yes, we certainly have optionality, which is a very healthy place to be. As we say, the Rockwall facility is up and running and beginning to increase its output and it has substantial floor space available if we wanted to put incremental production there. I think it’s a little early to be postulating on whether we would move any production lines, but I’d say we continue to ensure that we have a robust volume of finished goods inventory in The U. S. So we can respond to customer demand quickly and do so without tariff implications.

I think all of our competitors in this space will have some degree of tariff impact, whether it comes from crossing borders in our case or it comes from tariffs that apply to steel and other metallic components in other cases. So I’m not sure we’re going to find ourselves at a true cost disadvantage. And certainly, if we were to believe that tariffs were here for the long term, we would of course look at balancing production between our Canadian and U. S. Footprints to ensure the total cost of delivery to our customers is as low as possible.

Tim Monachello, Analyst, ATB Capital Markets: Okay. And then more broadly on the Composite Technologies segment, when do you expect to see under absorption across the footprint with facilities ramping up in The U. S. To dissipate and margins to normalize?

Mike Freese, President and CEO, Matters: I think we are approaching a normalized condition as we roll into the second half of this year. Obviously, it’s progressive. So I think we’ll see improvement as we go from Q4 into Q1 and then into Q2 and then beyond. So we’re moving in the right direction, very pleased with the progress that the teams are making in the new sites and specifically just call out that we were able to get up and running incremental 12 foot tank production capabilities in our Blythewood, South Carolina Xerxes facility early in the New Year. So we have improved our ability to serve that very large tank market, which is predominantly serving AI data centers and other standby fuel and water storage markets.

Tim Monachello, Analyst, ATB Capital Markets: Okay, that’s helpful. And then Ammer Cable, can you just talk a little bit about how integration is going so far? Any one time costs and if you can quantify those for 2025, perhaps even for Q1 if that’s possible. And then interested to know a little bit more about these cross selling opportunities, $5,000,000 of onboarding costs that you’re expecting, what do you think that yields? And is that a cost that you would expect to incur more regularly if you see increased cross selling opportunities into Canada?

Or is that more a one time sort of setting up of some sort of manufacturing capabilities or something like that in Canada?

Mike Freese, President and CEO, Matters: There’s a lot there. I’m going to try and cover all of that and maybe a little more. So bear with me. Yes, we’re excited about AMR Cable. And I tell you that from every interaction we’ve had, the AMR Cable team are excited to be part of MATTA.

The onboarding process is going very well, very much aligned with our expectations. We’re taking a light touch. We’re not converting systems. We’re not making fundamental change in their business. We’re asking them just to keep doing what they’re doing and they’re doing it very, very well.

So as we sit here today, I think the thesis behind the acquisition remains fully intact and we have made enough progress to, I’d say, expand our confidence that the cross selling opportunities between Shoreflex and AMR cable are there, they’re real and customers are very interested in those conversations. So I think it takes time to get to a place where you convert opportunity into revenue. But as we said on the call earlier, I think as we roll into the second half of the year, we can start to see some modest revenue coming from cross selling. The opportunity is predominantly to bring medium voltage cable produced by AMR cable across into some of the higher margin industrial and infrastructure opportunities that we serve in ShoreFlex. So that will be step one.

But the opportunity continues to progress over time and I think will be quite robust as we roll into 2026. We are making modest capital investments in Ameren Cable during 2025. There’s going to be a little bit of growth capital that goes in to ensure that we are not holding up the opportunity to take advantage of these cross selling capabilities. But I think

Michael Tupholme, Analyst, TD Cowen: there’ll be a little bit

Mike Freese, President and CEO, Matters: more CapEx that goes into that business as we go into ’26, ’20 ’7 to really be far their productive capabilities. In terms of the business itself, depends on the year, but some typically 70% to 80% of the revenue of AMR cable is MRO. So relatively stable, fairly predictable revenue streams. There are from time to time projects associated with major overhauls or new construction of mine sites and offshore installations, etcetera, etcetera. This year, just looking at what we can see right now, I think the timing of those projects will mean that Q1 is the most robust quarter of the year and Q4 is likely to be the least robust.

That doesn’t belie some seasonal sequencing, it’s just purely timing of projects, but very nice to have the strongest quarter of the year really

Ian Gillies, Analyst, Stifel: here

Mike Freese, President and CEO, Matters: right on the doorstep. I still think that in terms of reported EBITDA that comes from this particular business, $25,000,000 is going to be somewhere in the $65,000,000 to $70,000,000 range. Clearly, we’re not going to break it out in our financial reporting, but just to give you a feel. And I think that includes about $5,000,000 plus or minus of onboarding costs that I don’t believe will be repeated as we roll into ’26. These are things that legitimately are one time costs to get a business onto a new platform incorporated into a new corporation.

It’s a variety of small things. There’s no one big thing. Hopefully that gave you what you were looking for.

Tim Monachello, Analyst, ATB Capital Markets: Yes, I know that’s great. I appreciate you all to answer five questions at once.

Conference Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Ian Gillies with Stifel.

Yuri Lynk, Analyst, Canaccord Genuity: Good morning, everyone.

Michael Tupholme, Analyst, TD Cowen: Good morning.

Yuri Lynk, Analyst, Canaccord Genuity: Tom, this one’s probably for you. Can you maybe provide a bit more detail on what’s occurring with this inventory revaluation at transaction for Ameren Cable and the headwind is going to provide to margins? And then the follow on piece to this question is, would that not be a reflection of what the ongoing costs are going to be in the business moving forward? It’s just not something I’ve seen before at that close of transaction.

Tom Holloway, Senior Vice President of Finance and CFO, Matters: Yes, great question. So the technical I’ll answer the second question and then come back to the first one. So the technical rules require when you acquire finished goods inventory, so three stages raw materials with finished goods, each one progressively more ready for sale. When you acquire something that’s closer to finished and you have an already stated margin with the customer, it’s already allocated to that customer with those margins effectively requires you to state that inventory at the value you’re selling it to the customer. So it kind of eliminates your margins is the ultimate impact at the top level of financial reporting.

In this particular case, Ameren Cable’s inventory turns very quickly and we would anticipate that all of the items being marked up are gone by mid year, probably even by the first quarter. So let’s just say by the middle of the year, all of that inventory that’s marked up with reduced margins will be flushed out of the system. From a how we’re going to reflect that perspective, the reported EBITDA before adjustments will include those reductions to gross margin, but we will add it back as an EBITDA adjustment so that you will see adjusted EBITDA reflecting the actual performance of the business, which does not include this purchase accounting adjustment. So hopefully, I covered all of those items in there. I believe it’s amounting to something like $4,000,000 to $5,000,000 of inventory that gets marked up.

So it’s not a material impact to the year and we’ll adjust that out.

Yuri Lynk, Analyst, Canaccord Genuity: Understood. That’s helpful. Mike, I acknowledge you don’t want to talk too much about the Ameren cable cadence and you said that revenue is going to be still in line with what you would have anticipated acquisition. But given that Q1 is going to be stronger, maybe I’ll try and just see if you want to provide what percentage of you think that full year revenue likely comes in Q1 just because I think a lot of us probably have models that show probably stronger seasonal dynamics in the middle part of the year and just to get the allocations appropriate?

Mike Freese, President and CEO, Matters: Yes. I think we got to be a little bit careful because obviously things deliveries don’t always happen exactly when you think they will. But I think you might be on the order of 30% of the full year revenue in the first quarter.

Yuri Lynk, Analyst, Canaccord Genuity: Thank you. That will be helpful for us. And then Tom, last one. Can you just repeat what you said about pro form a leverage ex leases exiting ’24? Because I know we had the with leases in, but I just want to make sure I understand the commentary correctly.

Tom Holloway, Senior Vice President of Finance and CFO, Matters: Yes, of course. So the reported number is one point zero. If you were to adjust for the Amercable transaction, it’s 2.5, including leases. If you adjust those leases out, it’s about 0.8 of a turn, so you get to 1.7. So that’s how the numbers flow.

The seasonality of the business, as you know, Q1 tends to be a little lower. This year, that may be a little different for us. But I think what you should expect is that from a trajectory that net debt to adjusted EBITDA moves up slightly in Q1 just because we lose some big quarters, replaced with slightly smaller quarters in the calculation and then it starts to move down quite nicely from there. The other thing I’ll just comment on is we have already started repaying the debts modestly at this point, but by the end of the first quarter, you should expect that we will have paid down some of that debt.

Yuri Lynk, Analyst, Canaccord Genuity: Understood. And then last one for me, apologies if I missed it, but can we get an update on what’s occurring in the stock market with respect to Connection Technologies? That had been a margin drag. It was supposed to stop mid year. Is that still holding true?

Mike Freese, President and CEO, Matters: So the industrial stock demand continues to be fairly robust. At this point, I think we’re likely to see relatively steady revenue contribution coming from that piece of the business. And as we roll through this year, our expectation is that we see the industrial projects, nuclear infrastructure revenue streams start to become bigger percentages of total revenue. So just by that fact, I think we see margin progression in a positive direction over the course of the year. As we sit here today, the stock industrial marketplace is still fairly competitive.

So haven’t yet seen a material move up in the margins associated with that specific revenue stream. But I do believe that as we roll through the first half of this year, we’re likely to see it start to expand as activity more broadly grows, the competitiveness in that space tends to decline.

Yuri Lynk, Analyst, Canaccord Genuity: Understood. Thanks very much. I’ll leave it there.

Tim Monachello, Analyst, ATB Capital Markets: Thanks.

Conference Operator: Our next question comes from Michael Tupholme with TD Cowen.

Michael Tupholme, Analyst, TD Cowen: Thank you. Good morning.

Mike Freese, President and CEO, Matters: Good morning.

Michael Tupholme, Analyst, TD Cowen: I know you’ve talked sort of high level about your revenue expectations and indicated that you expect legacy business lines with the exception of Flexpipe to all see growth. Wondering if you can provide any more detail just to help us understand sort of order of magnitude variances across the different areas in terms of the growth rates. Just not sure how much you can say, but any incremental detail just on revenue growth expectations for the legacy businesses for 2025 outside of perhaps Flexpipe, which I think you’ve been clear on?

Mike Freese, President and CEO, Matters: Yes, no problem. I’m happy to do that. At this point and obviously still with the caveat that if tariffs come, something could change. I think excluding FlexPipe, we would expect each of the other three business lines to achieve their 10% year over year growth rate, perhaps modestly better in some cases. Tom, do you want to comment on anything below the revenue line?

Tom Holloway, Senior Vice President of Finance and CFO, Matters: Yes. I think if you wanted to look at the full year and sort of just bridge at a very high level from one year to the next, and you said we had $108,000,000 reported for 2024. MEO was roughly $18,000,000 plus we had a provision we took in Q4 and some tariff related costs. That’s $21,000,000 20 2 million dollars that gets you to around $130,000,000 adjusted adjusted for MEO. And then if you added AMR cable, let’s just add it at the low end of what Mike said, $65,000,000 and then adjusted for the MEO cost in $25,000,000 which we said at the top end are $8,000,000 that gets you into the 180s.

And then there will I’ll just remind everyone there will be a little bit of corporate cost creep next year because with not hitting targets this year incentives were at a much lower level. So we’ll reset those from a target perspective. So there’s a little bit of incremental cost there. And the TSA with Tenerys is dwindling, so the reimbursement for some of our fixed costs does go away. That puts us in a range where I would say Mike’s commentary on hitting the 10% numbers for three of the four businesses also converts to a 10% growth rate at the bottom line on a normalized basis.

So I know there was a lot of numbers I just threw at you, but I wanted to provide a little bit of a bridge so you can very quickly walk from where we’ve reported to where we might be next year.

Michael Tupholme, Analyst, TD Cowen: Okay. No, that’s really helpful. I may have to kind of work through some of that offline, but maybe just one quick follow-up on all of that, if which might be helpful for people. So, I think what you left out when you talked about the $180,000,000 is the actual growth coming from the top line growth that Mike talked about in the business lines. So the suggestion there, if we took, I think it was the $130,000,000 that’s the base off of which would be growing that 10% VIN add in AMR cable?

Tom Holloway, Senior Vice President of Finance and CFO, Matters: Yes, I think that’s a reasonable way to look at it.

Michael Tupholme, Analyst, TD Cowen: Okay. Okay, perfect. And I mean, I guess we can maybe try to back into this, but maybe just to ask sort of higher level. As far as margins for 2025, I mean, you spoke earlier on the call about still very much targeting EBITDA margins around the 20% level for the business going forward. Are you able to comment on what sort of underlying margins will look like in 2025 and maybe how they kind of progress through the year and recognizing of course there are the MEO costs to consider as well?

Mike Freese, President and CEO, Matters: So I’ll offer some perspective, Tom may have some additional comments. I think you’re likely to see generally what we’ve seen in most of recent history, which is where the second and third quarters tend to be our most robust just given the seasonal cycles in some of our businesses. So I think those are likely to represent the upper end of the range that we will see from a quarterly EBITDA margin perspective in 2025. And Q1 and Q4 are likely to be on the lower end of the range. And I think on average, we’re in the mid teens for the year and obviously pushing to try to drive beyond that if we can avoid tariffs and we can execute very well in our production footprints across the company.

There is absolutely upside potential there.

Michael Tupholme, Analyst, TD Cowen: Perfect. That’s all very helpful. Thank you. Probably for Tom, question about depreciation and amortization. The level we saw in 2024, is that representative of what to expect going forward or is there much change given Ameren Cable plus also the new facilities?

Tom Holloway, Senior Vice President of Finance and CFO, Matters: Yes. I would say for Amer Cable, while the purchase accounting is not finalized yet, you should expect something on the order of mid teens, maybe low teens amortization annually for the intangibles. So that will be an add to the bottom line, not to the EBITDA, of course. From a depreciation on the asset perspective, the number does move up in 2025 a bit, just as you say, because we do have some new plants coming online. It’s not all that material because most of the capital has already been spent and allocated though.

I can provide a little bit more detail. I’ll dig that out though.

Michael Tupholme, Analyst, TD Cowen: That’s perfect. Thank you. And then I guess sort of similar question, just lease liabilities, do they deviate much going forward from what we saw at the end of the year?

Tom Holloway, Senior Vice President of Finance and CFO, Matters: They should not. So what you saw at the end of the year didn’t include all of the Ameren cable, but the Ameren cable ad is pretty small and we’ve taken some actions to reduce a couple of leases going forward as well. So I think it will be in the same range as we report Q1. So you should not see material moves.

Michael Tupholme, Analyst, TD Cowen: Okay, perfect. And then just lastly here before I turn it over, can you talk about expectations for changes in noncash working capital in 2025, including cadence throughout the year?

Tom Holloway, Senior Vice President of Finance and CFO, Matters: Yes. I think the cadence would be similar to what we’ve typically seen, which is a Q1 that has an outflow of working capital for a variety of reasons, incentive payouts and some especially this year build relating to the tariffs. I think that flattens out in Q2 and Q3 and then by the fourth quarter, which is what we saw in this fourth quarter, you should see a pretty good working capital release. So that’s the trend I would say. I think on the whole, we’ll see a relatively flat working capital profile for 2025, just simply because there’s enough things moving with new plants and a variety of tariff actions that we’re taking regardless of whether they go into effect that are impacting our numbers slightly.

So I think you should expect roughly flat for the year and the cadence as I referenced.

Michael Tupholme, Analyst, TD Cowen: That’s all very helpful. I will leave it there. Thank you.

Tom Holloway, Senior Vice President of Finance and CFO, Matters: Thanks, Michael.

Conference Operator: That concludes today’s question and answer session. I’d like to turn the call back to Mike Reeves for closing remarks.

Mike Freese, President and CEO, Matters: We thank you for joining us this morning and look forward to sharing an update in May for our Q1 results. Have a great day everybody.

Conference Operator: This concludes today’s conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

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