Earnings call transcript: MTY Food Group reports Q2 2025 earnings miss, stock dips

MTY Food Group reported its second-quarter earnings for 2025, revealing a slight miss in earnings per share (EPS) compared to analyst expectations. The company posted an EPS of $1.17, falling short of the forecasted $1.23, which represents a negative surprise of 4.88%. However, MTY exceeded revenue expectations with $304.87 million against a forecast of $301.25 million, marking a positive surprise of 1.2%. Following the announcement, MTY’s stock experienced a decline of 2.71%, with shares trading at $44.46, down from the previous close of $45.70. According to InvestingPro analysis, MTY currently appears undervalued, with a "GOOD" overall financial health score of 2.74 out of 5.

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Key Takeaways

• MTY’s EPS fell short of expectations by 4.88%, while revenue exceeded forecasts by 1.2%.
• The company’s stock dropped 2.71% in pre-market trading following the earnings release.
• Canadian franchising revenues rose by 4%, while U.S. and international revenues remained flat.
• MTY’s net income attributable to owners more than doubled year-over-year.

Company Performance

MTY Food Group demonstrated mixed performance in Q2 2025, with a notable increase in net income attributable to owners, rising to $57.3 million from $27.3 million in the same quarter last year. This improvement was driven by strong cash flow generation and a strategic reduction in net debt by $32.7 million since November 2024. Despite these gains, the company’s EBITDA declined by 5%, reflecting challenges in maintaining profitability amid a cautious consumer environment in the U.S.

Financial Highlights

• Revenue: $304.87 million, up from $301.25 million forecasted
• Earnings per share: $1.17, down from $1.23 forecasted
• Canadian franchising revenues: $37.5 million, up 4%
• U.S. and international franchisee revenues: $65.3 million, flat
• Net income attributable to owners: $57.3 million, up from $27.3 million in Q2 2024

Earnings vs. Forecast

MTY’s EPS of $1.17 fell short of the expected $1.23, resulting in a negative surprise of 4.88%. In contrast, the company surpassed revenue expectations by generating $304.87 million, which was 1.2% above the forecasted $301.25 million. This mixed result highlights the company’s ability to drive revenue growth despite challenges in achieving projected earnings.

Market Reaction

Following the earnings announcement, MTY’s stock price fell by 2.71% in pre-market trading, closing at $44.46. This decline reflects investor concerns over the EPS miss, although the revenue beat provided some positive sentiment. The company’s stock remains within its 52-week range, with a high of $53.16 and a low of $36.79. InvestingPro data shows the stock has delivered a positive 6.06% return over the past week, despite recent volatility.

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Outlook & Guidance

Looking ahead, MTY is targeting lower capital expenditures in 2025 and continuing its ERP implementation in the U.S. The company is exploring strategic alternatives for some corporate banners and considering potential share repurchases or mergers and acquisitions. MTY expects corporate store margins to stabilize around 9%. InvestingPro analysis reveals that management has been aggressively buying back shares, and net income is expected to grow this year, supporting the company’s strategic initiatives.

Executive Commentary

CEO Eric Leffer emphasized the company’s resilience and innovation, stating, "We are building MTY to be resilient and innovative in the face of any challenges." He also highlighted the profitability across all brands, reinforcing the company’s strong competitive position.

Risks and Challenges

• U.S. consumer spending remains cautious, potentially impacting future sales.
• The restaurant industry is experiencing a slight downturn, affecting overall growth.
• Declining alcohol consumption may influence sales in certain segments.
• Increasing importance of value offerings could pressure profit margins.

Q&A

During the earnings call, analysts inquired about the impact of the SNAP program, which accounts for 9% of Papa Murphy’s sales. CEO Eric Leffer acknowledged the challenging macro environment and did not rule out potential brand divestitures, indicating a flexible approach to strategic alternatives.

Full transcript - MTY Food Group Inc (MTY) Q2 2025:

Conference Operator: Good morning, and welcome to the MTY Food Group twenty twenty five Second Quarter Results Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in listen only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question and answer session. Instructions will be provided for you at the time for questions. Anyone has any difficulty hearing the conference, you may press 0 for operator assistance at any time.

Listeners are reminded that portion of today’s discussion may contain forward looking statements that reflect current views with respect to future events. Any such statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected in the forward looking statements. For more information on MTY Food Group’s risks and uncertainties related to these forward looking statements, please refer to the company’s annual information form dated 02/13/2025, which is posted on SEDAR plus The company’s press release, MD and A and financial statements were issued earlier this morning and are available on its website and on SEDAR plus All figures presented on today’s call are in all Canadian dollars, unless otherwise stated. This morning’s call is being recorded on Friday, 07/11/2025 at 08:30AM eastern time. I would now like to turn the call over to mister Eric Leffer, chief executive officer of MTY Food Group.

Please go ahead, sir.

Eric Leffer, Chief Executive Officer, MTY Food Group: Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us for MTY’s second quarter of twenty twenty five conference call. I’m joined today by our Chief Financial Officer, Rene Saintange. Last quarter was a tale of two geographies. Current macroeconomic conditions remain highly fluid and in some cases challenging.

U. S. Consumers have been particularly affected by economic uncertainty, which is being reflected in our results and that of the broader restaurant industry. On the other hand, Canada was a bright spot throughout Q2. Following a soft Q1, business improved sequentially in March, April and May.

Canadian same store sales increased by 1.4%, reflecting broad based strength across most of our banners, especially those in our casual dining segment. The story was more challenging in The U. S, where the volatility we saw in Q1 became more pronounced, resulting in a 3.8% decline in same store sales. The softness was broad based across our U. S.

Portfolio, regardless of banner or restaurant segment. Although there were some bright spots, such as Village Inn, nearly all banners were impacted by a more cautious consumer, including Cold Stone Creamery and Wet’suwl’s Pretzels. Performance was similar across all our restaurant segments, be it QSR, fast casual or casual dining. Our year to date performance is largely in line with the North American restaurant industry. In the current environment, it’s become even more important for MTY to intensify initiatives that will increase the pace, energy and agility of our company.

Over the past few years, we’ve made significant improvements to strengthen our roster of talent and increase the pace of innovation in food, technology or business practices. I’m incredibly excited by what I see in the pipeline, and I believe we are in the early innings of an evolution that will gradually bear fruit. One fundamental change I’m especially enthusiastic about is our product innovation. Most brands typically have three to five new product launch or LTO windows per year, which in the past were organized just a few months in advance. Due to the short lead times and the many departments involved in making a new product launch successful, execution sometimes suffered and launches were not as effective as they could have been.

Fast forward to today, the vast majority of our brands plan their product launches twelve to fifteen months in advance compared to the very few just three, four years ago. We are driving brands towards adding more product launches and LTOs to increasingly delight and excite our guests. All of this is part of our strategy of being a high paced, high energy and nimble company that will thrive in today’s environment. Another investment that I am ardent about is digital, which you’ve heard me discuss in previous quarters. MTY is a company rich in consumer data and combined with our growing investment in technology, data scientists, consumer data platforms and AI, we believe we can unlock even more demand potential for our restaurants and improve our overall guest experience.

Digital sales grew by 3% this quarter and now represent 21% of total system sales. Currently, our digital successes are more concentrated in some of our U. S. Brands and we’re excited about the benefits this experience will bring to our Canadian business and smaller U. S.

Brands once it’s rolled out across our network. Shifting gears to store count. We opened 76 locations and closed 77, resulting in a net decrease of one location for the quarter. Enhancing the profitability of our restaurant network remains a key focus, and we continue to strengthen our portfolio of locations through a combination of closures of underperforming locations and building a strong pipeline of openings. As of July 1, we had a total of 108 locations under construction, and our goal of net location growth over the medium to long term remains unchanged.

Of note, we opened 35 new locations in the month of June alone, indicating a good start to our third quarter. Turning to our normalized adjusted EBITDA performance, we experienced a 5% decline this quarter. The decline was entirely driven by our corporate store segment, partially by design. As I just mentioned, we are focused on enhancing our store network, and we made a strategic decision in the last few months to take back ownership of nearly 50 underperforming Papa Murphy’s locations that have high potential. Our corporate stores were also impacted by the combination of cautious consumer and prime cost pressures.

This quarter, normalized EBITDA margins of our corporate segment came in at 9%, which we believe is a healthy and acceptable level given the composition of our portfolio. It’s also important to highlight that our franchising segment, which represents our bread and butter, delivered a growth of 3%, while our Retail segment also grew by 9%. Retail remains a powerful category for MTY with substantial growth potential. We’re optimistic, owing to the early success of several products and our nascent listings outside Quebec. NTY continues to generate very strong free cash flows, consistent with the strength of our asset light business model.

In the second quarter, cash flows from operations was up approximately 40,000,000 and free cash flows net of lease payments came in at around $24,000,000 Both figures were largely flat compared to last year. The second quarter typically generates lower cash flows than other quarters because of many annual recurring variances that happen consistently every year. We remain committed to a balanced capital allocation strategy, one that supports strategic growth while also returning value to shareholders through dividends and share repurchases. During the quarter, we repurchased just under 300,000 shares under our normal course issuer bid, in line with the prior quarter. Going forward, we will continue to be flexible and opportunistic regarding our use of cash.

Finally, I would like to take a moment to highlight the significant progress we’ve made on our ERP implementation, a truly foundational initiative for MTY. I’m pleased to report that our Canadian Go Live was completed on time and on budget, marking a major milestone for the organization. This type of changes is never completely frictionless, but we’re encouraged by how quickly and smoothly our teams have adopted the new system. I want to extend my sincere thanks to our head office staff across all functions for their exceptional effort, long hours, steadfast commitment throughout the process. Their dedication has been and continues to be instrumental to the successful rollout.

Looking ahead, we are gearing up for The U. S. Implementation, which will take place in two phases, the first in October, followed by a second one in December. We remain confident in our timeline and are leveraging the lessons learned from Canada to ensure a seamless transition. With that, I’ll now turn it over to Renee, who will discuss MTY’s financial results in greater detail.

Rene Saintange, Chief Financial Officer, MTY Food Group: Thank you, Eric, and good morning, everyone. Looking more closely at our operating segments, Canadian franchising revenues increased by 4% to $37,500,000 mainly due to increases in both sales of material to franchisees and recurring revenue streams. Canadian recurring revenue streams increased as a result of the improvements in our organic system sales of 3%. Meanwhile, in The U. S.

And International segment, franchisee operations saw largely flattish year over year revenues at $65,300,000 a slight improvement of $300,000 over prior year. This was the result of a favorable foreign exchange swing of $2,200,000 offset by a 4% decline in organic system sales. On the expense side, operating costs in Canada went up by $1,200,000 year over year to $21,500,000 mostly due to cost of sales material to franchisees. The cost of sales to franchisees fluctuated in line with the increase in revenues. Meanwhile, I’m happy to report that in The U.

S. And International segment, operating expenses decreased by 1.4% to $28,100,000 This was the result of a $1,200,000 decrease in controllable expenses, reflecting MTY’s continued focus on disciplined cost management. This was partly offset by an unfavorable $1,000,000 foreign exchange impact. As for profitability, normalized adjusted EBITDA for the franchise operations came in at $54,000,000 an increase of 4% compared to last year’s $52,600,000 with margins of 53%, a 1% improvement over prior year’s margins of 52%. Moving over to the corporate operations, Canadian revenues decreased by 5% to 11,200,000 due to a reduction in the number of corporate stores.

U. S. And international revenues declined by 1% to $120,300,000 due to a decline in same store sales, which was partially offset by a higher number of corporate locations compared to the second quarter of twenty twenty four. Operating expenses for the Canadian segment decreased by $1,100,000 to $10,700,000 while The U. S.

And International segment rose by 5% to $109,500,000 due to a higher number of corporate stores as well as generalized pressures on prime costs. Normalized adjusted EBITDA for the Corporate Stores segment came in at $11,300,000 down $5,500,000 from last year. As Eric mentioned earlier, this decline explains our year over year decline in consolidated normalized adjusted EBITDA. Globally, revenue from food processing, distribution and retail grew by 4.4% to $40,200,000 driven by an increase in retail sales of 4% and an increase in food processing and distribution of 6%. The retail segment continues to be a segment with a multitude of growth opportunities across Canada and The U.

S. Normalized adjusted EBITDA for the segment reached $4,700,000 up 9% from last year with margins up to 12% from 11% last year. Turning our attention to the income attributable to owners, it amounted to $57,300,000 or $2.49 per diluted share compared to $27,300,000 or $1.13 per diluted share in Q2 twenty twenty four. The increase was mainly due to accounting for the positive foreign exchange variations on intercompany loans. Moving over to cash flows, we continue to generate strong operating and free cash flows.

The second quarter had cash flows from operating activities of $40,200,000 compared to $40,600,000 in Q2 of twenty twenty four. Free cash flows net of lease payments decreased slightly to $23,600,000 in the quarter compared to $24,300,000 last year. The decline was largely due to lower EBITDA, partly offset by lower capital expenditures. As mentioned in previous quarters for 2025, we are targeting capital expenditure levels lower than 2024. As mentioned by Eric, during the three months ended 05/31/2025, we repurchased and canceled 297,000 shares for $12,600,000 through our NCIB and paid $7,600,000 in dividends to our shareholders.

We ended the quarter with a net debt of 6 and $23,500,000 a net reduction of $32,700,000 since November 2024. Since Q2 of twenty twenty four, we have repaid a total of $69,100,000 in long term debt. Considering our strong cash flow generating ability, our debt to EBITDA of approximately 2.4 times is a level of debt that continues to give us flexibility to make acquisitions should the opportunity arise. And with that, I’d like to thank you for your time and turn it back to Eric for closing remarks.

Eric Leffer, Chief Executive Officer, MTY Food Group: Thanks, Renee. Having experienced what I described as a tale of two geographies this quarter, we remain motivated by our strategic vision of strengthening MTY’s dynamism, creativity, and entrepreneurial spirit. I personally have never been as inspired as I am today about our people and new initiatives that are taking hold. Whether it’s the macroeconomic backdrop or tariff uncertainty, we are building MTY to be resilient and innovative in the face of any challenges that come our way. With our strong cash flow generation and balance sheet deleveraging, we believe we remain well positioned to take advantage of any opportunities that arise.

I thank you for your time, and we will now open the lines for questions. Operator?

Conference Operator: If you are using a speakerphone, please leave the handset before pressing any keys. One moment, please, for your first question. Your first question comes from the line of Vishal Shreedhar from National Bank. Please go ahead.

Vishal Shreedhar, Analyst, National Bank: Hi. Thanks for taking my question. I’m just looking for more insight on how trends evolved through the quarter. Last quarter, and I know things are moving quickly. The last quarter management indicated that they weren’t seeing any material change in consumer behavior

Eric Leffer, Chief Executive Officer, MTY Food Group: and you said The US was a

Vishal Shreedhar, Analyst, National Bank: little bit more choppy so maybe you can describe what changed and maybe how it changed. I guess we’re focusing on The US here and what in particular the company did to respond.

Eric Leffer, Chief Executive Officer, MTY Food Group: Yeah, the choppiness just became less choppy and more consistent and the negative, I guess if you want to label it this way in The US portfolio in Canada, we’re still seeing more stability. But yeah, I mean, what happened is hard to explain. There are certainly experts that can guide us through what happened, what we’re seeing is, and we’re seeing the same industry trends where the restaurant industry is down slightly. So unfortunately we’re following the trends here. And as far as what it is that we’re doing, it’s not necessarily anything very different from what we were doing last quarter.

We are doubling down for sure on everything we do digital, try to have more personalized marketing approaches. So those are long term strategies that take time to implement and we’re certainly accelerating some of them and we have accelerated also some of our marketing programs and marketing spend to try to alleviate some of the pain. And brand by brand, we are looking at our portfolio and some of them it needs to be maybe provide consumers with a more favorable entry point to go in our restaurants and have a more value offering. But what we’re finding is alcohol consumption is down, value offerings are important, but they’re also not the only thing that matters and we just need to go brand by brand and have a systematic approach on what it is that we’re doing today and what it is that we were trying to accomplish on the long term strategy point of view and what we can do to accelerate it if we can and if we can’t, then we just need to have that, keep that same systematic approach to deliver what we were planning to deliver on time and create that amazing consumer experience, only in store but also with all our various digital platforms, consumers are not in store as much as they used to be and we need to be able to replicate that consumer experience whether they’re in store or not.

So it’s more of the same, just a little bit of an acceleration on the spend and trying to come up with various initiatives that are brand by brand.

Vishal Shreedhar, Analyst, National Bank: Okay. With respect to the price increases that you’re taking, are they are they targeted to specific brands or geographies? And what can we put in for modeling purposes on the price increase? Should we expect it to be meaningful on the same store line?

Eric Leffer, Chief Executive Officer, MTY Food Group: Not necessarily, they are meaningful for sure. And we are taking a very diligent approach. There’s a science to it and we’re trying to come up with price increases in areas that might not necessarily affect traffic as much. But we do have to take some pricing and as you know in The US, don’t dictate price for our franchisees, so franchisees are free to take price whenever they like and we try to suggest price for them but they necessarily have to follow our suggestions. Corporate stores we hadn’t take price in many of our brands for two or three years for some of them and now we’re facing maybe stiffer pressure on the prime costs, on food costs primarily, and to a certain extent on labor costs as well and we reached a point where it was no longer sustainable to not take price, so we have to use a surgical approach and take price on certain commodities that are a little bit more expensive these days.

Vishal Shreedhar, Analyst, National Bank: Okay, so the pressure that you saw in The US corporate store line, to some degree that should alleviate with the pricing on EBITDA, the pressure on EBITDA, you should see that alleviate to some degree next quarter as you implement the pricing. Is that a fair comment or are there other factors I should consider?

Eric Leffer, Chief Executive Officer, MTY Food Group: Yeah, there’s, well, the portfolio is pretty broad and we’re taking price, we have taken price on one of our brands already. There is some pricing going live now and there is some pricing scheduled also for later this quarter, so it won’t be fully reflected in this quarter, but it will be fully reflected in Q4. Now as far as creating a material lift on sales, I’m not sure, but what we’re going to try to do is direct consumers maybe to where there’s better profit margins for us and if they choose to go where there’s not as much profit margins and it’s going to be a little bit more expensive for them. But as far as seeing a major difference on margins or same store sales, I wouldn’t necessarily go there. I think we’re more in defensive mode here and protect what we have instead of being in a place where we can increase our margins at the expense of consumers.

Vishal Shreedhar, Analyst, National Bank: Okay, and just one last one here before I circle back. Given the pressure you’re seeing in The US and exacerbating through the quarter, can you comment on how that may impact store pipeline? And could you see some of that pipeline, which you’ve indicated you’re seeing some optimism and say that franchisees question the backdrop, if that’s even a legitimate question to ask?

Eric Leffer, Chief Executive Officer, MTY Food Group: I mean, we’re not seeing it yet. I’m not saying it’s impossible that it would happen, but right now the pipeline is very strong. As I mentioned, we opened 35 locations just in the month of June, which is a great month. And then we’re swinging hammers on a lot of stores as well, so still feeling really confident about our pipeline of store openings and I’m just looking at the new franchise where we’re awarding every day that are now 26 projects and the pipeline is still strong and our franchising people are still delivering the number of stores that we’re expecting. I’m not saying it’s impossible that there would be some delays or people with question marks in terms of investing in restaurants, but right now I’m not seeing it.

Vishal Shreedhar, Analyst, National Bank: Thank you.

Conference Operator: Thank you. And your next question comes from the line of Michael Gunn from Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Michael Gunn, Analyst, Raymond James: Hey, good morning. Eric, I’m just wondering if you can give us some insight into profitability across the banners. Like, is it kind of structured like the 80 rule or is it something a little more concentrated on your top banners from a profitability perspective?

Eric Leffer, Chief Executive Officer, MTY Food Group: So I assume you’re talking about profitability for the franchisor.

Michael Gunn, Analyst, Raymond James: Yes.

Eric Leffer, Chief Executive Officer, MTY Food Group: Yeah. It’s it’s really the eighty twenty rule for sure. Our larger brands will bring in more profits than the smaller ones, but the smaller ones accumulate because of the number of brands accumulate to to a material number. But, yeah, there’s definitely an eighty twenty factor here.

Michael Gunn, Analyst, Raymond James: Okay. And I think we’ve I’ve you this in the past, but, like, what what’s the outlook for some of these, call it, the the bottom the bottom 10% of brands? Like, there if you were to is it are there some negative EBITDA brands in the portfolio that that could lead to a lift if you were to get rid of those?

Eric Leffer, Chief Executive Officer, MTY Food Group: No, all our brands are profitable. We do make sure that our brands are profitable and some are marginally profitable, some have highs and lows depending on where they are in their cycle, but divesting of brands would not result in higher profits. Now there might be some one offs here with locations that we could get rid of that would result in higher profits, but as far as brands are concerned, all our brands are good.

Michael Gunn, Analyst, Raymond James: Okay. And I think you said there was a strategic decision to take on 50 Papa Murphy’s locations. That was is that post the quarter end, just to be clear?

Eric Leffer, Chief Executive Officer, MTY Food Group: No. No. Those are those happened mostly in in late two thousand and twenty four and early two thousand and twenty five.

Analyst, RBC Capital Markets: Okay.

Eric Leffer, Chief Executive Officer, MTY Food Group: Those are stores that we talked about in previous quarters and there are stores that have been poorly operated in most cases where we feel that the turnaround is possible, the turnaround does take nine and twelve months to realize, so we are still in a place where we are losing money with these stores and investing in turning around the stores. We did re franchise one location successfully after turning it to profit in the last few weeks. So this is still the plan, we want to turn them around and re franchise them and then repeat the cycle.

Michael Gunn, Analyst, Raymond James: Okay. Overall, And like, your your view as MTY as an operator of corporate stores, do do you have is that something that you think MTY is properly structured to do? Or do you need to add more resources there to your corporate store initiatives to add more cost to be straightforward to your corporate stores to ensure they’re successful in the long term?

Eric Leffer, Chief Executive Officer, MTY Food Group: No, we have amazing people to run the corporate stores, so we’re happy with where we are. We do have challenges with corporate stores here and there. I would say we’ve reinvested in the corporate store structure a little bit more in Canada in the past few months because we didn’t have that proper structure, it requires the company to be wired a little bit differently to run those corporate stores and we were purely wired as a franchisor and in today’s environment we have to be able to run some corporate stores to again turn them around and re franchise them. In The U. S, we do have the proper structure, we have amazing people where we have concentration of corporate stores in our BBQ Holdings portfolio and also in our Wet’sulds portfolio, we have a little bit of a higher proportion and we have great people to run the corporate store performance there.

No need to reinvest, but there is always some churn and where we need to invest is in really good quality restaurant managers, which are critical to our successes. We can have all the greatest people at the head office but if we don’t have someone boots on the ground in the restaurant to run it, that makes it difficult and this is where there’s a constant reinvestment and there’s a little bit more churn as you know in the restaurant staff. This is a continued effort.

Michael Gunn, Analyst, Raymond James: Okay, thank you for taking the questions.

Conference Operator: Thank you. And your next question comes from the line of Derek Lessard from TD Cowen. Please go ahead.

Derek Lessard, Analyst, TD Cowen: Yeah, good morning, Eric. I just wanted to maybe touch on your two geographies analogy. I was wondering if you had a sense as to what’s behind the Canadian consumer resilience that you’re seeing?

Eric Leffer, Chief Executive Officer, MTY Food Group: Yeah, great question, I don’t know. All I can measure is traffic and whether they come to our restaurants or not. I’m not an expert into analyzing how and why the Canadian consumer is more resilient at the moment than maybe The US consumer. But if you look at the past few years, we’ve certainly been a lot stronger in The US than we’ve been in Canada, so there’s maybe a little bit of that where Canada is a little bit more stable and on the upwards trend, whereas The US is probably taking a pause after many, many years of great results.

Derek Lessard, Analyst, TD Cowen: Yeah, I was thinking along the lines, maybe it was due to sort of the trade issues that we’re having and more Canadians staying home,

Eric Leffer, Chief Executive Officer, MTY Food Group: that’s fair.

Derek Lessard, Analyst, TD Cowen: The EBITDA pressure in The US mentioned was somewhat by design with taking in the 50 Papa Murphy’s stores. But in the press release, you did say that you were actively evaluating strategic options, including accelerating franchising efforts with one and broader transformative changes with the other. So I guess, number one, what’s the other banner in question in those remarks? And number two, maybe you could just add some color around the transformative changes you’re talking about.

Eric Leffer, Chief Executive Officer, MTY Food Group: There’s a few brands, obviously Papa Murphy’s, took back 50 stores, that’s pretty big transformation for the brand and we are learning as we’re doing it, but certainly big effort on turning these stores around and showing what we can do and demonstrating the business model. In other brands that are concerned by some more fundamental changes, you’re looking at, for example, Barrio Queen, which is a small chain with few restaurants but they’re highly profitable restaurants and variations in their profitability becomes a little bit more material for that reason. So we are in the middle of some franchising efforts here, we’ve never had franchisee for Barrio Queen and we’re curious to see what a franchisee would do with these stores. Unfortunately, had a little bit of delays in franchising, wish it was done already but so we will franchise a few stores for Barrio Queen, we also hired an external firm to come and assess our operations to see why our sales are declining, where is our traffic going and how can we win back those customers and win back this traffic. The alcohol mix is a little bit higher at Barrio Queen, so I suspect that probably plays a part, but there’s probably something else as well.

So we’re ready to implement some transformative changes, we’ve also changed the management team for some of our brands including Barrio Queen. So we are doing a certain number, we’re taking steps into figuring out what’s happening with this brand specifically and where we go from there. There’s other brands that are feeling a little bit more pressure and I’ll name for example Granite City, again that’s a smaller chain, they’re all corporate stores, very high proportion of alcohol, we’re a brewery, so obviously that’s what we do. So feeling a little bit more pressure at the moment, so we are also in the middle of implementing some changes there to try to regain our customers and win back those customers and whatever it takes, if we need to win them back using other products than beer then we’ll do it. So the team is actively looking at solutions for these brands.

Derek Lessard, Analyst, TD Cowen: Okay, thanks for that color. I guess on the Papa Murphy’s, how far down the road or along the process do you think you are in getting them back up to profitability and then perhaps refranchising them?

Eric Leffer, Chief Executive Officer, MTY Food Group: Yeah, we repurchased a few clusters of stores, so I’ll go cluster by cluster. There’s the first one we reacquired last year is at breakeven now, so we’re pretty much there. And then the other two clusters came in at a different timing. We’re probably in this six to nine months period now and I’m thinking it’s probably going to take nine to twelve before we get them to break even. Some were poorly managed for a longer period of time, so it takes longer to convince consumers to come into the door once again and win back customers is more difficult than when you open the store and start fresh.

So we’re probably three to six months away from being able to say we’re there at breakeven with these stores and we’re gonna be successful.

Derek Lessard, Analyst, TD Cowen: Okay, and maybe one final one on weather, Just curious if there’s any impact on, I guess, Cold Stone Creamery, but frozen treat sales in the Northeast. It was pretty cold in the lead up to summer here or it took longer for summer to arrive. Just curious if you had any weather impacts on the business?

Eric Leffer, Chief Executive Officer, MTY Food Group: Yeah, we’re monitoring weather for sure and as much as I don’t like to blame weather for everything, we sell ice cream so it does have an incidence that’s maybe higher than other restaurants. But yeah, Northeast was a little bit more challenging and also the timing of weather events was bad and that includes Canada when it’s raining on Saturdays and Sundays and sunny on Mondays and Tuesdays, it doesn’t necessarily help our business. So we do feel some impact on the weather but probably weather happens every year, so we’ll take it over a longer period of time to assess and hopefully we have a mild hurricane season this year and not too many wildfires impacting some of our brands. Weather So is a thing and obviously when you sell frozen treats, it does have a bigger impact, but hopefully it stabilizes and we’re better now.

Jen Samparo, Analyst, Scotiabank: Okay, thank you, Eric.

Conference Operator: Thank you. And your next question comes from the line of Jen Samparo from Scotiabank. Please go ahead.

Jen Samparo, Analyst, Scotiabank: Thank you. Good morning. I wanted to follow-up on the strategic alternatives comment for your corporate banners or some of them. Are potential brand divestitures among the alternatives that you’re considering at the moment?

Eric Leffer, Chief Executive Officer, MTY Food Group: Nothing’s off the table. So we’re we’re certainly not aggressively trying to market our brands, but nothing’s off the table. I think it’s part of a reasonable capital allocation strategy to look at acquisitions and divestitures and that’s certainly part of discussions we’re having, and we’re not aggressively marketing any of our brands, but it’s not impossible, it would happen one day.

Jen Samparo, Analyst, Scotiabank: Right, okay. And coming back to the corporate store margins, independent of the price increases you talked about, I think you said in your prepared remarks that the nine ish percent level you’re at now that that represents a reasonable number over the medium term. Is that a fair interpretation? Like should we expect flattish margins over the next couple of quarters?

Eric Leffer, Chief Executive Officer, MTY Food Group: Yeah, if you remember last year when we realized the margins we did in Q2, I did mention that we were on the very high side and people were asking me if there’s further margin expansion and I remember saying, is we’re probably a little bit too high. Last year we were probably a little bit too high, this year we’re a little bit lower for various reasons. But I do think that being around the 9% is a reasonable place to be. There’s gonna be variations in our margins, whether they’re up or down in the future, both can happen, but I think over a longer period of time, if we’re in that 9% range, we’re probably in the right place given our portfolio where we have some stores that are losing money that we’re trying to turn around and some stores that are vastly profitable.

Jen Samparo, Analyst, Scotiabank: Okay. That’s helpful. On the store network, commentary on openings, particularly in June, that’s encouraging. I wonder about your sense of what closures might look like over the next few quarters. I know these can be lumpy and tough to predict, but any sense of how closures might evolve in the rest of ’25 versus the last couple of years?

Eric Leffer, Chief Executive Officer, MTY Food Group: Yeah, there’s always going to be some closures given the size of our network. So I do anticipate there’s gonna be more. Where we were I think in Q2 was probably a reasonable place unfortunately, I’d like to close fewer but this is probably what we should expect on average for the next few quarters. So I don’t expect that we would close dramatically fewer stores or dramatically higher stores unless there’s a surprise out there. So I think the Q2 number is probably a reasonable place to pull an average.

Jen Samparo, Analyst, Scotiabank: Understood. And then one last one and more broadly on the industry, we’ve lapped the launch of I would say, an increased focus on price promotions and value offerings from some of the larger industry players, particularly within quick service. Do you get a sense that the industry will start to focus more on profitability rather than traffic and pricing anytime soon, or is the consumer not in the right state for your competitors to maybe shift their positioning on messaging?

Eric Leffer, Chief Executive Officer, MTY Food Group: I’m not sure. I think there’s less intensity and certainly the the spotlight is less on just providing these crazy value offers, but they’re still out there and a lot of people are still focusing on traffic rather than profitability for various reasons. I don’t think that’s going to change that much in the foreseeable future. There is less intensity on very aggressive price promotions than there was a year ago, but it’s still a thing.

Jen Samparo, Analyst, Scotiabank: Got it. Okay. I appreciate the color. Thank you.

Conference Operator: Thank you. And your next question comes from the line of from RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Analyst, RBC Capital Markets: Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. I guess just to start off, curious from your perspective how just the macro environment is evolving. I think last quarter you mentioned Q2 started off stronger. And then in the press release you do kind of call out macro headwinds as being short term.

So could you just shed some light on how things progressed through the quarter and kind of the cadence of the performance in The U. S. And just whether that broad based pressure is being sustained so far into Q3?

Eric Leffer, Chief Executive Officer, MTY Food Group: Yes, I mean, we went from choppiness to more sustained drops during Q2. What we’re seeing so far in Q3 and I only have one month of data, but it seems to be more of the same unfortunately, so I’m not seeing a crazy reversal in June. So it’s not worse, but it’s also not better. Hopefully the end of the summer will turn to the better, but right now we don’t have visibility on a drastic change one way or another.

Analyst, RBC Capital Markets: Okay, got it. And then just on the newly passed Republican bill just targeting cuts to SNAP, can you just remind us what Papa Murphy’s system sales exposure to that program is?

Eric Leffer, Chief Executive Officer, MTY Food Group: Yes, we’re at 9%. Percent of our sales are SNAP.

Analyst, RBC Capital Markets: Okay, that’s helpful. And then just lastly, I know in your outlook, just the expectation for CapEx to be lower this year, certainly a meaningful step down so far in the first half. So would that be a good run rate for the remainder of the year or should we expect any kind of step up?

Eric Leffer, Chief Executive Officer, MTY Food Group: No. It’s a good run rate. I don’t anticipate a big step up on CapEx. We do have some spending left on SAP. There’s probably about $2,000,000 left between now and the end of the year on SAP, but for the rest on CapEx, I don’t anticipate any major changes from the trend of Q1 and Q2.

Analyst, RBC Capital Markets: Okay. Perfect. Thank you. I’ll pass the line.

Conference Operator: Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Michael Glenn from Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Michael Gunn, Analyst, Raymond James: Hey, Eric, just wondering how you balance capital allocation between say, given where the share price is given how would you capital allocation between an SIB or substantial issuer bid versus M and A?

Eric Leffer, Chief Executive Officer, MTY Food Group: Yeah. That’s a question we talk about all the time at the board. So, I mean, we weigh all these alternatives that we have, the SIB is not impossible, the M and A is also not impossible. Right now we’re repaying debt a little bit more aggressively in the last few weeks, so we’re seeing that the interest rates are not going down as fast in The US as we thought they would, so we’re repaying a little bit more debt, building our treasure chest and trying to bring our leverage down. But I would say SIB is certainly a possibility and M and A is certainly a possibility like any other capital allocation strategy.

Michael Gunn, Analyst, Raymond James: How would you characterize right now the M and A environment? Do see a favorable M and A environment? Are sellers reasonable with their assumptions?

Eric Leffer, Chief Executive Officer, MTY Food Group: In most cases, no, they’re not reasonable and that’s why you haven’t seen MTY do M and A recently, it’s just that we need the right transaction at the right price and we haven’t been able to cross the finish line with any of these transactions we found to be in that category and a lot of what we see is fixer uppers that we’re not necessarily looking for at the moment and we’re also seeing a lot of good networks that are commanding very, very high multiples and that we’re not necessarily willing to pay the price for, we don’t want to pay high price for the wrong reasons, so we remain disciplined in our approach.

Michael Gunn, Analyst, Raymond James: Okay, and my last one, the Canadian ERP implementation, so what is the additional functionality or benefits to MTY from this implementation?

Eric Leffer, Chief Executive Officer, MTY Food Group: Yeah, well, first step, it’s the same ERP across all our networks. So we did the rollout in Canada first, but we just needed to go by division, so we don’t jeopardize the entire thing if it doesn’t work. It was successful, but it’s not an easy thing to do. So one of the benefits is we’re gonna remove a lot of these old dated systems that are end of life or past end of life that are vulnerable and also that are not capable of producing the information we need or accumulating the information we need to run our business in today’s environment. What we’re seeing is a system that’s gonna be a lot more flexible, lot more robust also to take a lot of data and to spit out a lot of data when we need it as well.

Just a better systems, state of the art systems that will enable a lot of different things and unlock a lot of potential for MTY, while also reducing our vulnerability to older systems that needed to be changed anyways.

Michael Gunn, Analyst, Raymond James: Okay. Thank you.

Conference Operator: Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. This concludes today’s call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

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