Earnings call transcript: New York Mortgage Trust misses Q2 2025 EPS forecast

New York Mortgage Trust (NYMT) reported a second-quarter 2025 earnings per share (EPS) of -$0.04, significantly missing the forecasted EPS of $0.36. This negative surprise of 111.11% was reflected in the stock’s market reaction, with shares dropping 7.18% to $6.33. Despite the earnings miss, the company showcased growth in other financial aspects, such as a 10% increase in earnings available for distribution (EAD) per share compared to the previous quarter. According to InvestingPro data, NYMT maintains an impressive 11.59% dividend yield and has maintained dividend payments for 22 consecutive years, with a GOOD overall financial health score.

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Key Takeaways

• New York Mortgage Trust’s EPS fell short of expectations by 111.11%.
• The company’s stock dropped 7.18% following the earnings release.
• Earnings available for distribution per share increased by 10% quarter-over-quarter.
• The acquisition of Constructive aims to bolster business purpose lending capabilities.

Company Performance

New York Mortgage Trust demonstrated resilience in certain areas despite the disappointing EPS. The company reported a 10% increase in earnings available for distribution per share, reaching $0.22. Additionally, the adjusted net interest income per share saw a substantial year-over-year increase of 47%, highlighting the company’s ability to enhance its core financial metrics. With a market capitalization of $623 million and impressive revenue growth of 23.27% over the last twelve months, the company’s strategic initiatives, including the acquisition of $915 million in assets during the quarter, appear to be yielding results. Based on InvestingPro’s Fair Value analysis, the stock currently appears to be trading near its fair value.

Financial Highlights

• Revenue: $45.1 million for Q2 2025.
• Earnings per share: -$0.04, compared to a forecast of $0.36.
• Net interest spread: 150 basis points, up from 132 basis points in Q1.
• Acquired $915 million in assets during the quarter.
• Total 2025 acquisitions exceeded $2.8 billion.

Earnings vs. Forecast

New York Mortgage Trust’s Q2 2025 EPS of -$0.04 was a stark contrast to the forecasted $0.36, resulting in a negative surprise of 111.11%. This deviation from expectations is significant compared to previous quarters, where the company typically met or slightly exceeded forecasts.

Market Reaction

Following the earnings announcement, NYMT’s stock fell by 7.18%, closing at $6.33. This decline reflects investor disappointment with the earnings miss. The stock’s movement also aligns with broader market trends, as financial stocks have faced pressure amid macroeconomic uncertainties.

Outlook & Guidance

Looking ahead, New York Mortgage Trust remains focused on expanding its agency RMBS portfolio and increasing business purpose loan origination through its Constructive platform. The company anticipates a steepening yield curve and aims to achieve a 50% agency RMBS portfolio allocation. Additionally, NYMT expects Constructive to deliver approximately a 15% annual equity return. Analyst consensus data from InvestingPro shows moderate optimism, with price targets ranging from $6.75 to $24 per share. For comprehensive analysis and detailed insights, investors can access NYMT’s Pro Research Report, part of InvestingPro’s coverage of over 1,400 US stocks.

Executive Commentary

"We have reported strong second-quarter performance with EAD surpassing our current common dividend by $0.02," said Jason Serrano, CEO. Nick Ma, President, added, "We see ROEs on a fully hedged basis somewhere in the mid-teens," emphasizing the company’s strategic financial positioning.

Risks and Challenges

• Macroeconomic pressures, including potential GDP forecast reductions, could impact loan demand.
• Housing market dynamics, with cooling prices and declining homeownership rates, may affect the company’s mortgage and rental loan segments.
• Interest rate fluctuations could pose challenges to the company’s net interest margin and profitability.

Q&A

During the earnings call, analysts inquired about NYMT’s agency portfolio allocation strategy and the potential benefits of future Federal Reserve rate cuts. Executives also clarified the company’s approach to business purpose loan bridge and rental loans, highlighting their focus on high-quality loan underwriting.

Full transcript - New York Mortgage Trust Inc (NYMT) Q2 2025:

Conference Operator: Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the New York Mortgage Trust Second Quarter twenty twenty five Results Conference Call. During today’s presentation, all parties will be in a listen only mode. Following the presentation, the conference will be open for questions. If you have a question, please press the star key followed by one, one on your touch tone phone.

If you would like to withdraw your question, please press the star key and one, one again. If you are using speaker equipment, we do ask that you please lift the handset before making your selection. This conference is being recorded on Thursday, 07/31/2025. I would now like to turn the call over to Kristi Musalem, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Kristi Musalem, Investor Relations, New York Mortgage Trust: Good morning, and welcome to the second quarter twenty twenty five earnings call for New York Mortgage Trust. A press release and supplemental financial presentation with New York Mortgage Trust’s second quarter twenty twenty five results was released yesterday. Both the press release and supplemental financial presentation are available on the company’s website at www.nyntrust.com. Additionally, we are hosting a live webcast of today’s call, which you can access in the Events and Presentations section of the company’s website. At this time, management would like me to inform you that certain statements made during the conference call, which are not historical, may be deemed forward looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.

Although New York Mortgage Trust believes the expectations reflected in any forward looking statements are based on reasonable assumptions, it can give no assurance that its expectations will be attained. Factors and risks that could cause actual results to differ materially from expectations are detailed in yesterday’s press release and from time to time in the company’s filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Now at this time, I would like to introduce Jason Serrano, Chief Executive Officer. Jason, please go ahead.

Jason Serrano, Chief Executive Officer, New York Mortgage Trust: Good morning. Thank you for joining NYMT’s second quarter earnings call. Joining me today is Nick Ma, President and Christine Nario, CFO. Christine will provide commentary on second quarter results and Nick will follow with an update on the progress of our business plan. We have a lot to cover this Thursday morning as we share our second quarter recap and insights into the Q3 developments.

NYMT has reported strong second quarter performance with EAD surpassing our current common dividend by $02 This success demonstrates the effective execution of our long term capital allocation strategy and the strength of our liquidity position. We maintained strong investment in the second quarter, deploying nearly $800,000,000 into single family opportunities aligned with our core strategies of agency RMBS and business purpose loans and compelling return profiles. The marked backdrop remains supportive for our balance sheet growth with volatility easing as investors look past tariff related concerns and progress made on trade agreements, as well as foreign suppliers absorbing part of the impact. Macroeconomic indicators softened slightly in the second quarter, prompting some economists to lower full year GDP forecast for 2025 and ’26. We anticipate a steepening yield curve in the months ahead.

We believe our portfolio composition is well positioned to benefit from lower short term rates. While housing prices remain elevated, several formerly high growth markets from the post COVID era have begun to cool, showing modest year over year price declines. Meanwhile, rental demand continues to rise with natural homeownership rate declining to 65% resembling levels in nineteen eighties. Seeing a long term potential to meet the growing demand for non agency credit and rental housing, we announced the full acquisition of constructive on July 15. The transaction marks a pivotal milestone, accelerating our expansion into residential business purpose lending and further diversifying our balance sheet to deliver greater value to our shareholders.

Investor demand for BPL rental loans is robust. Hallmark traits in the sector include loans supported by property level rental income, borrower guarantees, and five year prepaid protection. A few years back, we identified Constructed Loans as a leading operator in the space with a proven track record of originating and distributing BPLs to institutional buyers, generating attractive gain on sale income. Consistent with NYMT’s conservative approach, we closely tracked the originators’ performance before moving into full control of the company with a 38,400,000 acquisition just a few weeks ago for the remaining 50%. This transaction was a milestone in NY T’s history, reinforcing our long term commitment to the BPO space while advancing our key strategic objectives.

Constructive loans will aid as a complement to NYMT’s growing investments by further diversifying the portfolio of recurring earnings. We expect this platform acquisition to be immediately accretive to EAD and are focused on scaling constructive loans under NYMT’s ownership, especially as we entered the third quarter with the $460,000,000 of liquidity to deploy. In addition, the successful bond amendment to increase our recourse leverage limit from four times to eight times on our May senior notes due 2026 provides us with flexibility to continue expanding our agency RMBS holdings, which is now 57% of the portfolio assets and 38 of capital at quarter end. With a stable foundation of net income supported by our expanded agency and residential credit portfolio, we are well positioned to grow earnings available for distribution, further enhanced by the compelling upside potential of our BPO origination platform. We believe NYMT’s equity remains a compelling opportunity with shares trading around 70% of book value, a significant discount.

Our Q2 results, showed reoccurring earnings exceeding the dividend and ample liquidity to drive future growth, reinforced our view that NYMT shares offer exceptional value at current levels. At this time, I’ll pass the call over to Christine to provide our second quarter financial highlights.

Christine Nario, Chief Financial Officer, New York Mortgage Trust: Thank you, Jason, and good morning, everyone. I’ll cover the key factors behind our second quarter financial results. As we shared last quarter, we are pleased with the progress we’ve made in expanding our balance sheet. Our momentum in portfolio acquisition activity continued in the second quarter. We acquired an additional $915,000,000 in assets during the quarter, bringing total acquisitions for the 2025 to over $2,800,000,000 This portfolio growth along with continued rotation interest earning assets contributed to a 10% quarter over quarter increase in EAD per share to $0.22 from $0.20 last quarter.

Adjusted net interest income per share also rose 10% quarter over quarter and 47% year over year to $0.44 per share, up from $0.40 per share in the prior quarter and $0.30 per share a year ago. Our net interest spread also increased to 150 basis points from 132 basis points in the first quarter. This was driven primarily by a 17 basis point reduction in average financing costs supported by lower base rates, improved repurchase financing terms and more favorable terms achieved through revolver securitizations completed in the previous quarters. During the quarter, we recorded $24,600,000 in net unrealized gains, largely attributable to improved valuations in our agency RMBS and residential loan portfolios. These gains were offset by 36,300,000.0 in unrealized losses on derivative instruments, primarily interest rate swaps.

We also realized net losses of approximately 3,800,000.0 mainly from accounting basis reductions on certain investment securities and conversions of residential loans into foreclosed properties that remain on balance sheet. However, these realized losses were mostly off offset by the reversal of previously recognized unrealized losses on the same assets. Net loss from real estate increased slightly to $3,000,000 in the quarter, primarily due to higher operating expenses, mainly insurance and property tax expenses. Importantly, following quarter end, we fully exited our remaining four joint venture equity positions in multifamily properties. These properties were disposed of at or near carrying value as of June 30.

And our remaining exposure to multifamily real estate is now limited to our mezzanine lending and cross collateralized mezzanine lending portfolio. General and administrative expenses declined by $628,000 during the quarter, reflecting the benefits of our earlier restructuring initiatives. Portfolio operating expenses were relatively flat and we incurred $750,000 in non recurring costs related to a consent solicitation from holders of our senior notes due 2026 and the replacement of an at the market preferred equity distribution agreement. GAAP book value and adjusted book value per share decreased to $9.11 and $10.26 respectively, representing a 2.81.6% decrease compared to March 31. Our recourse leverage ratio and portfolio recourse leverage ratio increased to 3.8 times and 3.6 times respectively from 3.4 times and 3.2 times at March 31, primarily due to financing activity to support our agency RMBS acquisitions.

Portfolio recourse leverage on our credit and other investments remained flat at 0.5 times. As Jason mentioned, we acquired the remaining 50% interest in constructive, a leading originator of business purpose loans. As a result, we now fully own the platform and will begin consolidating its financial results in the third quarter. We are in the process of completing the purchase price allocation and will provide further detail in our next quarterly filing. Based on current expectations, we anticipate constructive to deliver an annual equity return of approximately 15% with the potential to grow as origination volume increases, something Nick will speak more about shortly.

We also expect the acquisition to increase our G and A expense ratio from 3.4% to the range of approximately 6.2% to 6.4%. And to result in an increase in our recourse leverage ratio of approximately 0.2 times. We also issued $90,000,000 of unsecured notes in July, which were predominantly used to acquire targeted assets. Finally, our strategic repositioning efforts in recent years have significantly strengthened our ability to generate consistent recurring income. This has supported our quarterly dividend of $0.20 per share, which remained unchanged for the seventh consecutive quarter.

With continued balance sheet growth, asset rotation, and the addition of Constructive’s origination and gain on sale capabilities, we are well positioned to generate earnings above our current dividend. With that, I’ll turn it over to Nick for a market and strategy update. Nick?

Nick Ma, President, New York Mortgage Trust: Thank you, Christine. We delivered another productive quarter of capital deployment, focusing on expanding the investment portfolio to further grow EAD. After the tariff announcements in early April, spreads widened across both residential credit and agency RMBS. In the latter half of the quarter, credit spreads did manage to recover some or all of the liberation day widening. During this period, however, agencies have lagged in the tightening that we saw in the other credit sectors.

We took advantage of market conditions to continue to invest in our core strategies, allocating the majority of capital into Agency RMBS. In the quarter, we deployed $5.00 4,000,000 in agencies and $294,000,000 in residential credit investments. The residential credit purchases were concentrated in $217,000,000 of BPL bridge loans and 61,000,000 of BPL rental loans. As we continue to rotate from our legacy positions into our core strategies, we view periods of wider spreads as attractive entry points to grow the portfolio for future earnings. We capitalized on the volatility in the second quarter to expand our agency portfolio.

We increased our equity concentration of agencies from 34% in the prior quarter to 38%. In the quarter, agency current coupon spreads to treasuries did widen to as much as 164 basis points before ending the quarter at 147 basis points, three basis points wider quarter over quarter. Leverage in the agency book grew slightly from 8.4 times last quarter to 8.6 times, which are comfortable levels for the strategy within a broader portfolio. Consistent with prior quarters, we concentrate our purchases at or near the current coupon, targeting five and five point five coupon spec pools with minimal pay ups. With our portfolios average coupon of 5.59%, we are well positioned to benefit from a strong carry profile and one that should improve further if rates decline.

We continue to favor Agency RMBS for its superior liquidity, scalability, and its historically widespread. Over time, we expect that the agency portfolio will trend towards 50% of total equity. In BPL Bridge, performance remains stable with a continued decline of sixty plus day delinquent loans. From a trading perspective, there is a trend of a more competitive market environment forming for BPL Bridge. The growing use of rated securitizations has provided competitive financing to a broader segment of investors, tightening pass through yields and intensifying overall competition for BPL bridge loans.

Although we remain committed to this asset class, our comparative pace of acquisitions may decline as we continue to be selective on credit despite stronger investor demand for loans. BPL rental has grown to our largest credit asset class within the portfolio. We have started to provide additional information in our supplemental materials for this product. The hallmark of our portfolio would be the overall credit composition. We target loans with high debt service coverage ratios or DSCRs with strong FICOs and favorable LTVs.

Our portfolio has a solid average DSCR of 1.38 times. Equally as important, only 1% of BPL rental loans in our portfolio carry a DSCR below one times. Delinquency rates in our portfolio remain subdued with only 2% of the portfolio’s sixty plus days delinquent. We expect to have increased activity BPL rental loans in the future, which we see as a key area of growth for us within our residential credit portfolio, especially with the purchase of construction. In the multifamily sector, Christine mentioned the milestone of fully exiting our remaining JV equity positions in July.

This marks the end of a multi month divestiture process of the larger multifamily JV equity portfolio that started in the 2022 with 19 assets. We ended our acquisition program for this strategy back in April 2022, as part of a broader strategic shift. In our multifamily mezzanine loan portfolio, we continue to see steady performance with consistent payoff rates. In the quarter, the portfolio paid off at an annualized rate of 17%. We have previously highlighted the seasoning of these loans and the resulting equity buildup creating an incentive for these borrowers to refinance or otherwise prepay.

Given our ongoing discussions with our borrowers, we believe that the future payoff activity for the rest of the year should occur at a higher run rate than what we saw in the second quarter. Overall, the proceeds from the multifamily JV equity exits along with future multifamily mezzanine payoffs will continue to be rotated into our single family core strategies that we believe are more EAD accretive. Let’s turn our attention now to the Constructive acquisition. We are thrilled to incorporate Constructive into our more comprehensive BPL strategy, which gives us direct control over the origination of highly coveted BPL assets. Since entering the BPL bridge market in 2019, NYMT has grown our broader BPL portfolio to almost $2,000,000,000 With this track record and our partial ownership in constructive over the last two and a half years, it was a natural next step for us to bring constructive in house.

Our long standing relationship with constructive facilitated the deal’s efficient execution. Following that, the integration process has also been proceeding smoothly. Constructive’s seasoned management team with thirty five years of experience will help lead this best in class platform as a standalone subsidiary of NYMT. While we aim to grow our exposure in VPLs, we remain committed to preserving Constructive’s originate to distribute model and their established trading relationships. Historically, NYMT has purchased only a modest share of Constructive’s overall production, and we expect for that trend to continue in the future.

This would allow us to expand Constructive’s origination volume in a capital light strategy to earn fee income. We started with a barbelled approach for NYMP to grow our highly liquid agency RMBS strategy and to consistently acquire whole loans. Now adding the Constructiv’s platforms gain on sale earnings will provide incremental equity upside. Since its inception, Constructiv has originated over $5,200,000,000 of business purpose loans across a national footprint. As an equity partner, we have witnessed that growth and the portfolio stable loan performance firsthand.

Constructive was profitable even through a period of rapidly rising interest rates from 2022 to 2023. This is a testament to the quality of the business and the management team. Above all, constructive shares NYMP’s commitment to high credit underwriting standards, aligning with NYMP’s investment ethos in the BPL space. Constructive has a diversified lending footprint, originating in 48 states and DC. They have strong production in the Northeast, Mid Atlantic, Great Lakes, and the larger Sunbelt states.

Constructive’s core product is heavily weighted to BPL rental loans, with mostly thirty year terms that constitutes 93% of its product mix, with 7% in bridge loans with mainly one year terms. Loan volume is generated primarily through the wholesale channel at 85%, with the remaining from their retail channel. Constructive is still primed for future growth. In the near term, we can unlock synergies by providing more consistent capital to accelerate the origination volume, and to procure more accretive financing lines to fuel that expansion. Over the medium to longer term, we see expansive areas of growth in broadening the geographic footprint, diversifying origination channels, and scaling the nascent BPL bridge business.

We are excited about this new phase in the NYMT and Constructive partnership. We look forward to discussing more about Constructive and its impact on our business on our third quarter earnings call. Now we will open up the call for questions. Operator?

Conference Operator: Thank you. At this time, we will conduct the question and answer session. As a reminder, to ask a question, you will need to press 11 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press 11 again. Please stand by while we compile the Q and A roster.

Our first question today comes from Doug Harter with UBS. Your line is open.

Doug Harter, Analyst, UBS: Thanks, and good morning. I was hoping to just talk a little bit more about the equity allocation strategy. You kind of mentioned agency trending towards 50%. Do you view that as kind of a core long term positioning? Or is that more reflective of the current opportunity?

And how dynamic do you expect to be in that equity allocation?

Jason Serrano, Chief Executive Officer, New York Mortgage Trust: Yes. Thank you for your question. This is Jason. Yes, we do see this as a more of a medium term allocation strategy for us. Historically, NYPD has held an agency position on their balance sheet, which we removed after in March 2020, after COVID.

That was about $1,000,000,000 And then about two years later, we reestablished that position. We think that NYMT will continue to hold a position in the agency space, potentially not as high as 50% over time, but we see that as a core investment strategy for the company.

Doug Harter, Analyst, UBS: Great. And then on constructive, you mentioned that you would expect that to kind of be more of a capital light approach. Again, are there conditions or are there times where you would look to balance sheet those loans? Or is kind of given the product mix that you would kind of generally foresee kind of being a more of a distributor of those loans versus holding them?

Nick Ma, President, New York Mortgage Trust: Hi, Doug. This is Nick. So historically, with our relationship with Constructiv, we have been buying part of their production. So from historical perspective, we have purchased approximately 25 about a quarter of their overall production. For the time being, we see that continuing.

We have a desire for those assets. We believe those assets are accretive to the REIT. At the same time, we do see a benefit for the overall business to be able to generate gain on sale income in a capital light way. So for the time being, I think that we will continue to purchase some portion of production on a go forward basis. As I mentioned earlier, it’s probably not going to be the majority share.

And overall, I think the main goal is to increase volume through various means, increase margin through various means, and I think all sides will benefit.

Doug Harter, Analyst, UBS: Great. Appreciate that. And has there been any meaningful change in your book value, so far in July?

Nick Ma, President, New York Mortgage Trust: Sure. As an update, we see adjusted book value down slightly from quarter end. So as of July 29, we see adjusted book value down somewhere between 0% to 1%.

Tim Bagsdino, Analyst, B. Riley Securities: Thank you so much.

Nick Ma, President, New York Mortgage Trust: Thank you.

Conference Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from Randy Binner with B. Riley Securities. Your line is open.

Tim Bagsdino, Analyst, B. Riley Securities: Hi. Thank you for taking the question. This is Tim Bagsdino on for Randy Binner. First, congrats on the closing of the constructive acquisition. My question relates more to we’ve noticed that generally mortgage activity, whether that’s origination or acquisition was lower in the second quarter.

And we’re just wondering what you’re seeing in the market now the beginning of the third quarter here in July and what your kind of perspective is going throughout the year?

Nick Ma, President, New York Mortgage Trust: Sure. I I I would say from the constructive perspective, and once again, they’re they’re more involved in business purpose loans, that their volumes have been strong in 2024. In 2025, thus far, you are correct, it has moderated somewhat. But we do see areas of growth and areas for improvement. And I think overall, I mean, clearly, there has been a fair amount of rate volatility that we have seen over the past quarter.

And that definitely will have an impact, especially when the rate volatility also includes rates moving higher, especially on the long end. So not surprising from our perspective in terms of seeing, a little bit of quarter over quarter moderating growth in terms of origination volume. But I think from a long term trend perspective, I do believe that there is a strong path for originations to continue to grow, especially within the context of DSCR, which we have already seen is a growing area within the non QM market. And non QM, just generally within the overall mortgage market, has also been growing. So from a sector trend perspective, we think that there is strong tailwinds for originations within this particular asset class growth.

Tim Bagsdino, Analyst, B. Riley Securities: Okay, great. Thank you for that. And then with, stronger tailwinds, just in terms of leverage on the portfolio, is there like a target that you’re aiming or should we just how should we think about leverage going forward?

Nick Ma, President, New York Mortgage Trust: Well, so from from a leverage perspective, obviously, a lot of it is market dependent, number one. Number two is also dependent on the mix of assets that we have. You’ve seen our recourse leverage ratio in our residential credit book being relatively low, right, so 0.5x. And our agency book, 8.6x. So if you take a look at some of our earlier comments about how we expect our agency portfolio to trend higher to about 50%.

And if you kind of do the math once again, keeping leverage ratios constant, we get to around 4.5 times across the business. But once again, we can flex up and flex down the different asset classes leverage. For example, in residential credit, if we are ramping up towards the securitization, we will be taking on a little bit more recourse leverage before that comes back down. On the agency side, we could flex up leverage to increase acquisitions, and then it could come back down again. So there’s still flex within the particular asset classes, but I think that’s that’s, I think, some some guidance in terms of what we’re thinking.

Tim Bagsdino, Analyst, B. Riley Securities: Great. Thank you so much for taking your questions today. That’s all from us. Thank you.

Conference Operator: Thank you. Our next question is from George Bose with KBW. Your line is open. Your line is open for questions.

George Bose, Analyst, KBW: Hey, guys. Good morning. What’s the ROE on the agency allocation versus what you’re seeing on the credit side?

Nick Ma, President, New York Mortgage Trust: I I think you’re breaking up a little bit by I think the question was relating to the ROE on agencies. We see at least where we’re investing right now in the five and the five and a halfs, we see ROEs on a fully hedged basis somewhere in the mid teens. It can flex up to the high teens to the extent that we reduce leverage. For the time being, we are, purchasing assets, on a fully hedged basis, as we’re ramping up.

George Bose, Analyst, KBW: Okay. Great. And then how does that compare to what you’re seeing on the credit side? And then that allocation you have to the multifamily piece, like what’s the ROE on that piece?

Nick Ma, President, New York Mortgage Trust: Sounds good. So on the credit side, let’s spend some time on the BPLs, both BPL Bridge and BPL Rental. BPL Rental, we see somewhere in the mid to high teens. BPL Bridge is also within that generic context. I didn’t mention the increased competition within BPL Bridge.

So with pass through rates coming down, I do see pressure on those ROEs on a levered basis coming down somewhat. On the multifamily side on the multifamily mezzanine loan side, we see ROEs in the low double digits to potentially low teens. So it does make sense for us from a pure economic perspective to rotate out a multifamily into some of the core strategies.

George Bose, Analyst, KBW: Okay. Great. Thank you.

Conference Operator: Thank you. Our next question is from Eric Hagen with BTIG. Your line is open.

Eric Hagen, Analyst, BTIG: Hey, thanks. Good morning, guys. Do you guys would you say you prefer the BPL bridge or the rental product right now? And in the rental portfolio, do feel like there’s a lot of flexibility to charge a higher coupon when the DSCR ratio is lower?

Nick Ma, President, New York Mortgage Trust: So on the first part of the question, yes, we do see more room for growth, in the BPL rental side, for the reasons that I mentioned. We obviously now have constructive, where the majority of the production is within BPL rental. We do see an area of growth there in terms of additional volume. On BPL Bridge, some competitive pressures there. So, we still expect to continue to invest there.

But I think from a growth perspective, my expectation is that, BPL rental will increase. With regards to your second the second part of your question, can we charge higher coupon rates if DSCR has come down? Yes, I believe that there’s within the matrix, there is adjustments based on LTV moves, how DSCR moves. Clearly, a lower DSCR loan is riskier and therefore should demand a higher coupon. From our perspective, though, we and this is really our philosophy throughout the credit book.

We don’t necessarily, prioritize additional risk for marginal amounts more of coupon or spread. We like the fact that the DSCR portfolio has a high DSCR rate, and that’s effectively part of the market that we’re targeting. So we’re very happy with the coupon rates, the levels, the yields, and the DSCR composition as we have it today.

Eric Hagen, Analyst, BTIG: Right. Okay. That’s helpful. Just curious how the securitizations might benefit from the Fed cutting rates and how your financing costs might change, on the back of that. I mean, I guess we don’t think about a lot of interest rate duration in the resi credit portfolio.

But if the Fed cuts rates, I mean, should we think about the mark to market on both the asset and liability side of the balance sheet, especially as it applies to the securitizations you guys have open?

Nick Ma, President, New York Mortgage Trust: Yes. I think, obviously, cutting rates, depending on the context, be should be helpful to overall securitization execution. The cutting off rates has a very direct impact on shorter term financing like repo because SOFR is directly impacted. In terms of securitizations, we tend to issue within, let’s call it, the two- to five year space. Generally speaking, from what we have seen in interest rate moves, that part of the curve has been more stable than the longer end of the curve.

And because of that, our expectation is that if rate cuts occur and if they occur in a more consistent and meaningful way, that, that should also bring not only the really front end, but also the two to five year part of curve down as well. And that will benefit securitization execution for sure.

Eric Hagen, Analyst, BTIG: That’s helpful. And the back book of securitization, though, right, the the the existing securitizations that you have in the portfolio now, is it all fixed rate, or is there any benefit that you get from the Fed cutting rates on those financing costs?

Nick Ma, President, New York Mortgage Trust: Oh, from from oh, the the liabilities as to whether or not they’re fixed or floating. Right? That’s the question?

Eric Hagen, Analyst, BTIG: Yep.

Nick Ma, President, New York Mortgage Trust: Within the securitization market. Oh, yeah. So for for most for most of our securitizations, they are fixed rate. So you’re not going to see, we’ve effectively locked in the financing execution on that. Okay.

Jason Serrano, Chief Executive Officer, New York Mortgage Trust: I mean, you one quick thing to add. You could see some benefit, with respect to our call optionality in those deals and being able to call the deal and refinance into a lower rate environment, which would be accretive to our NIM.

Eric Hagen, Analyst, BTIG: Yes. All right. That’s helpful. Thank you guys so much.

Conference Operator: Thank you. This concludes our question and answer session. I would now like to turn it back to Jason Serrano for closing remarks.

Jason Serrano, Chief Executive Officer, New York Mortgage Trust: Yes, thank you for your time this morning. We look forward to discussing third quarter results in October. Have a great day.

Conference Operator: Thanks for your participation in today’s conference. This does conclude the program. You may disconnect.

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