Earnings call transcript: rgc resources beats eps forecast, stock dips

RGC Resources Inc . (NASDAQ:RGCO) reported better-than-expected earnings for the fourth quarter of 2024, posting earnings per share (EPS) of $0.01 against a forecasted loss of $0.01. Despite this positive earnings surprise, the company’s stock fell by 4.29% in after-hours trading, closing at $20.75, down from $21.68. The decline reflects investor concerns over lower net income and other financial challenges.

Key Takeaways

• RGC Resources exceeded EPS expectations but saw a decrease in net income compared to the previous year.
• The company’s stock dropped 4.29% in after-hours trading despite the earnings beat.
• Challenges include lower returns from MVP investments and higher interest costs.

Company Performance

RGC Resources demonstrated resilience in its financial performance despite facing several headwinds. The company’s net income for the fourth quarter declined significantly to $141,000 from $1 million in the same period last year. However, full-year net income showed a slight increase, rising to $11.8 million from $11.3 million in 2023. This performance comes amid industry challenges such as inflationary pressures and increased interest costs.

Financial Highlights

• Revenue: $13.1 million, surpassing the forecast of $13 million.
• Earnings per share: $0.01, compared to $0.10 in Q4 2023.
• Capital spending: $22.1 million, down from $25.3 million in 2023.

Earnings vs. Forecast

RGC Resources reported an EPS of $0.01, exceeding the forecasted loss of $0.01. This represents a positive surprise of 200%. However, the magnitude of this beat is overshadowed by the significant year-over-year decline in net income, reflecting ongoing financial pressures.

Market Reaction

Despite the earnings beat, RGC Resources' stock fell 4.29% in after-hours trading, closing at $20.75. This reaction may indicate investor concerns about the company’s reduced net income and the broader economic challenges it faces. The stock remains within its 52-week range, with a high of $24.20 and a low of $17.90.

Company Outlook

Looking ahead, RGC Resources forecasts earnings per share between $1.18 and $1.25 for 2025. The company plans to invest $21.6 million in capital spending and has announced a 4% dividend increase to $0.83 annually. RGC Resources is also exploring potential expansion opportunities for the Mountain Valley Pipeline (MVP).

Executive Commentary

CEO Paul Nestor expressed optimism about the company’s growth prospects, stating, "We continue to be optimistic about our service territory, the Roanoke Valley and Franklin County, and the growth potential." He also highlighted the strategic importance of the MVP pipeline and its capacity for future expansion.

Q&A

During the earnings call, analysts inquired about the potential expansion of the MVP pipeline and the reinvestment of MVP cash flows. The company confirmed that the pipeline currently flows 1.5 to 2 billion cubic feet per day and is valued at approximately $21 million.

Risks and Challenges

• Lower returns from MVP investments could impact future profitability.
• Rising interest costs may increase financial burdens.
• Inflationary pressures could affect operational costs and margins.
• Market volatility and economic uncertainties pose ongoing risks.
• Regulatory changes may impact future expansion plans.

Full transcript - RGC Resources Inc (RGCO) Q4 2024:

Tommy Oliver, Senior Vice President, Regulatory and External Affairs, RGC Resources Inc.: Good morning from a cold and blustery Roanoke, Virginia. I want to thank you for joining us as we discuss RTC Resources' 2024 Q4 and Full Year Results. I am Tommy Oliver, Senior Vice President, Regulatory and External Affairs for RGC Resources Inc. I am joined this morning by Paul Nestor, President and CEO of RGC Resources and Tim Mulvaney, our Vice President, Treasurer and Chief Financial Officer. Before we get started, I want to review a few administrative items.

We have muted all lines and ask that all participants remain muted. The link to today's presentation is available on the Investor and Financial Information page of our website at www.rgcresources.com. At the conclusion of the presentation and our remarks, we will take questions. So let's turn to Slide 1. This presentation contains forecasts and projections.

Slide 1 has information about risks and uncertainties, including forward looking statements that should be understood in the context of our public filings. Slide 2 contains our agenda. We will discuss our operational and financial highlights, including an update of our rate case and other regulatory activities, how we finish fiscal 2024 and then discuss the outlook for full year fiscal 2025 with time allotted for questions at the end. So moving to Slide 3. We had a busy fiscal year on the regulatory front.

We received favorable commission decisions on a number of routine regulatory matters in the Q4. In addition, we reached the settlement in our general rate case with the SEC staff just after year end. This enabled us to reflect the estimated effect of this settlement in our year end results. The settlement for staff, which is subject to final approval by the commission, allows for an increase of $4,080,000 in annual revenue, and it's reflective of a ROE of 9.9 percent. We believe this is a fair outcome, and we are pleased to reach agreement in advance of the hearing before the commission, which took place in early November of this year.

We expect to receive final approval and remit a small refund to customers in our 2nd fiscal quarter. Early in the Q4, we reached agreement with the commission staff on new depreciation rates, which are updated every 5 years. Additionally, in September, we received approval on both our annual SAVE and RNG riders. The revenues associated with these riders began October 1, 2024. Turning now to operations on Slide 4.

Main extensions and renewals for the 2024 fiscal year totaled nearly 8 miles and we connected 631 new services, an increase of 79 new services over the prior period. In addition, we renewed 412 services during that same period. As we will discuss later, we continue to invest in rate base to ensure a safe and reliable distribution system for our customers. Slide 5 shows our delivered gas volumes for the quarter. Volumes overall were 5% lower compared to the Q4 of 2023 with the decline attributable to warm fall weather and lower commercial volumes, including a temporary shutdown at a large commercial customer in September.

Slide 6 shows delivered gas volumes for the full fiscal year in 2024. As shown, total volumes have remained steady compared to last year's period. I will now turn it over to Tim to talk about our 2024 CapEx and results. Tim?

Tim Mulvaney, Vice President, Treasurer and Chief Financial Officer, RGC Resources Inc.: Thank you, Tommy. Moving on to Slide 7. Our capital spending totaled $22,100,000 for fiscal 2024 compared to $25,300,000 in the full prior fiscal year. The decrease is attributable to the more than $3,000,000 we spent in 2023 related to the RNG facility. In addition to our typical work expanding and renewing our system, we made meaningful investments and finished 2 interconnects with the MVP, completed a significant expansion for one of our top 10 customers and initiated service to our first customer in Franklin County.

Paul will provide some additional color on our move into Franklin County as he discusses 2025. Moving to Slide 8. We released earnings in mid November. As we noted, a lower level of earnings from our investment in MVP along with higher interest costs resulted in lower net income compared to the same quarter in 2023. 4th quarter net income was 141,000 dollars or $0.01 per share compared to $1,000,000 or $0.10 per share in the Q4 of 2023.

Equity in earnings of unconsolidated affiliates was $872,000 pre tax, which reflects our share of MVP's results, including the favorable amortization of the basis difference that we discussed in detail in our September investor report, which can be found on our website. This was down $689,000 compared to a year ago, driven by the AFUDC during the construction phase. Interest expense increased $305,000 compared to the same quarter a year ago due to the higher interest rate environment, which is impacting our floating rate debt that supports our investment in the Mountain Valley Pipeline and on the Roanoke Gas line of credit. The year to date numbers are also on Slide 10. In fiscal 2024, we grew net income by $462,000 to $11,800,000

Paul Nestor, President and CEO, RGC Resources Inc.: or $1.16

Tim Mulvaney, Vice President, Treasurer and Chief Financial Officer, RGC Resources Inc.: per share compared to 11,300,000 dollars

Paul Nestor, President and CEO, RGC Resources Inc.: or

Tim Mulvaney, Vice President, Treasurer and Chief Financial Officer, RGC Resources Inc.: $1.14 per share in fiscal 2023. The company experienced inflationary cost pressures and higher interest rates, but was able to overcome those headwinds with strong earnings from the equity affiliate and growth in other income. The year was also marked with the completion of the MVP and settlement of the rate case as discussed by Tommy earlier in the presentation. Turning to Slide 9, Paul is going to take us through our expectations for 2025 including growth, capital, what we expect the drivers for the year to be and how all of that settles to the bottom line and into EPS. I will now pass the presentation to Paul Nestor.

Paul?

Paul Nestor, President and CEO, RGC Resources Inc.: Thank you, Tim. Good morning. We are on Slide 10 and let's take a moment just to discuss we believe, some of the opportunities to accelerate our growth now that Mountain Valley pipeline is operational. Mountain Valley has the capability of transporting up to 2,000,000,000 dekatherms a day. And that's a tremendous amount of energy that's literally passing right through our service territory.

And we're excited about that as we've spoken now for many years about that transportation capacity and that energy availability. That's the big picture. So let's maybe drill down from that into our service territory and our distribution system where we continue to see strong housing growth. We've got several new residential neighborhoods either breaking ground or moving from the planning to construction stage. Tommy reviewed our customer additions just a few moments ago.

And for 2025, we see a similar number of new service connections in particular. So we're excited about that. There continues to be steady build out in the medical complex, which is primarily in the downtown or just adjacent to downtown Roanoke vicinity. The large Carilion expansion that we've been talking about for several years is nearing completion and we expect increased gas usage for what is already a top 3 customer that being Carilion. You may recall that we implemented a $1,000,000 system betterment to support this expansion.

And based on future plans at the medical complex, we have another $1,000,000 system betterment planned for this year. As Tim mentioned, we did serve or are now serving gas to our 1st customer in the Summit View Business Park. And we're actively in business development, economic development discussions with the county and the Roanoke Regional Partnership about opportunities in Franklin County now that Mountain Valley Pipeline Gas is available there. We are undergoing plans right now to expand from some of you business park to nearby commercial and residential customers. And we're also in conversation with the county seat of Franklin County, Rocky the town of Rocky Mount to serve that area with the new Mountain Valley Pipeline, interconnect and distribution system.

So very excited. As we've talked about in past calls and investor meetings, Franklin County has not had the opportunity for natural gas to this point in time. We're thrilled to be working with them and having the opportunity to serve that community. Just a note though, some of that work does require action at a local government level and we've had conversations and planning with the key decision makers and we've accelerated those conversations following Mountain Valley go live in June. And our company is positioned to move forward as these opportunities are approved or available, but just a little caution here, they are not completely within our control and may take some time.

Moving on to Slide 11. Our capital spending plan of $21,600,000 for fiscal 2025 is in line with what Tim reviewed for 2024. We continue to expect to continue to invest in our existing distribution system here in the Greater Roanoke Valley. As we just talked about, there are opportunities in Franklin County with which we've allocated some capital shown in the purple part of the pie there labeled MVP growth. Moving to Slide 12, the drivers that we think are going to influence this fiscal year are noted, at least the primary drivers.

We've been addressing inflation, as Tim mentioned, with our rate making and Tommy also covered that with the outstanding regulatory performance in fiscal 2024. And we're going to continue to be mindful and prudent of our expense side of the income statement. And we still believe there's some inflation in the economy and we're seeing that. We're hopeful that, that tempers a little bit, tempers down, of course, particularly in the area of professional services and IT expenses and labor costs. Interest rates, as we all are seeing in the popular press, is an item that is moving around, if you will, very much in flux now and certainly since the November election.

Tim, what are you hearing from our lenders and other folks about the interest rate environment?

Tim Mulvaney, Vice President, Treasurer and Chief Financial Officer, RGC Resources Inc.: Sure. The directionally, it's still favorable to where it was a year ago. A year ago, it was in a rising posture. As we came into September, it was probably a little more favorable than it is now. The Fed dropped rates 50 basis points in September, 25 basis points in November.

General consensus seems to be 25 more basis points in December. And then it gets a bit murky from there with the election having passed, as you mentioned, what's going to happen in 2025? There's I don't think there's a consensus. So, right now, I think there's a little bit of look to see how inflation is doing and the Fed is evaluating that as well as with the election, what will the Fed look like in the long term.

Paul Nestor, President and CEO, RGC Resources Inc.: Yes. Thank you, Tim. Again, there's a lot of moving parts and pieces there obviously, and it does have impact to our bottom line. Tim talked about interest expense impact in 2024. Again, we still have some floating rate debt in 2025 that will be influenced by what happens with interest rates.

Thank you. Bullet number 4, RGC Midstream. We do expect a modest contribution to earnings in 2025 from RGC Midstream. It will be lower than 2024. Tim mentioned the AFUDC laden earnings that we had last year due to the construction being completed on the project.

I think the good news this year is we are going to be receiving cash from the joint venture. And in fact, we received our first distribution in October of approximately $800,000 That really was a watershed moment for an investment that we started in October of 2015. Tim, anything you want to add about midstream and what we see there potentially going forward?

Tim Mulvaney, Vice President, Treasurer and Chief Financial Officer, RGC Resources Inc.: So yes, we are going to get probably we estimate $300,000 quarterly contributions for a total of $3,200,000 for the year. That's our best estimate at the moment. And there is a good description of how the RGC Midstream, our investment in that September deck on how the accounting will work, but we're very excited to have the cash flowing this direction at this time.

Paul Nestor, President and CEO, RGC Resources Inc.: And we indicate on the slide, we believe in 2025 that will be just north of $3,000,000 of cash. Finally, we just announced a few days ago that the Board had approved annual dividend increase of just under 4% to $0.83 annually. We're pleased that we're able to resume what we believe is the more normal dividend growth relative to the outstanding success of our operation, especially our regulated utility. And as we'll see in just a moment with our forecasted earnings, this $0.83 implied annual rate fits right within our comfort zone on the payout ratio. So with that, moving to Slide 13, we do have our earnings forecast range for fiscal 2025.

Again, we're just nearing the end of fiscal Q1 there, but we certainly expect to grow off of 2024 modestly and we believe we can be in the $1.18 to $1.25 per share range. I may just summarize all of our comments today to say that we just continue to be optimistic about our service territory, the Roanoke Valley and Franklin County and the growth potential in our service territory generally. And then the other opportunities that we think our company has more specifically. We've had an outstanding year yet again, and I think at this time of the year, it's natural to reflect back on the calendar year, and we really have had a great 2024. I want to thank our employees and our customers and our shareholders and our other business partners for contributing to that success.

That concludes our prepared remarks. If you have any questions, please dial to unmute your line.

Tommy Oliver, Senior Vice President, Regulatory and External Affairs, RGC Resources Inc.: Hey, good morning, everyone.

Paul Nestor, President and CEO, RGC Resources Inc.: Mike, good morning. We hope you're doing well.

Mike, Analyst/Investor: I am. I see you gentlemen are doing well given the previous weather and what they're calling for over the next couple of days. And that kind of leads into my question here with MVP. I'm wondering what the flows are looking like right now given we've had this extended cold snap.

Paul Nestor, President and CEO, RGC Resources Inc.: Yes, that's a good question, Mike. And I can only answer that somewhat unofficially. And I'll answer from what I think we can see through the public nomination process as we nominate our daily gas volumes. I think the pipe is mostly full, if you will, which I think one would expect with what the temperatures are in the Greater Mid Atlantic area in the Eastern seaboard. So it's I believe it's between 1.5 to 2 Bcf a day.

Mike, Analyst/Investor: Okay. And that will roll right into my next question. So now that we're here post election and things look like they may be a little better from an infrastructure standpoint, any changes going on with the expansion? And by that, I mean, perhaps speeding the process up a little bit.

Paul Nestor, President and CEO, RGC Resources Inc.: Yes. It ties to your question, I think, relates back to the interest rate discussion. There was a prevailing wisdom on interest rates before the election and that wisdom, as Tim alluded to, is bouncing around. I think, Mike, energy policy is similar. Certainly with President-elect Trump, when he takes office

Tommy Oliver, Senior Vice President, Regulatory and External Affairs, RGC Resources Inc.: in

Paul Nestor, President and CEO, RGC Resources Inc.: mid late January and based on some of his nominations for energy and environmental related positions, there seems to be a bullishness, if you will, about America's energy in the next certainly 4 years of his term. How that translates to the potential MVP expansion, we think it can only be favorable. Again, it's just conjecture at this point. At the end of the day, to do a new pipeline or a pipeline expansion, there has to be market demand. And in this case, demand for the natural gas.

I believe and certainly our company believes, we're not speaking for the joint venture here, but we believe there will be sufficient demand to drive that expansion over time. So to be more precise with your question, the exact timing of that, at least from our seat, is still unknown. EQT (ST:EQTAB) or NexAire may have a slightly different answer.

Mike, Analyst/Investor: Okay. And then last one. Assuming there are expansions, Southgate, etcetera, now that the cash is flowing in your direction, would your thought be to just take the cash that's coming in from MVP and reinvest it in the expansions?

Paul Nestor, President and CEO, RGC Resources Inc.: Yes. Tim, you want to answer that? Sure.

Tim Mulvaney, Vice President, Treasurer and Chief Financial Officer, RGC Resources Inc.: So, Mike, as you're aware, we have some debt that supports our investment. And so, we're going to cover our interest costs to begin with, but there is a little bit of excess there, depending on interest rates due. We do have opportunities both with a compression and or Southgate. And so we'll be looking very closely at opportunities that will enhance the cash flow coming off the pipe with those kind of investments as well as some other opportunities that we piece of.

Mike, Analyst/Investor: All right. That's all I have, gentlemen. Thank you.

Paul Nestor, President and CEO, RGC Resources Inc.: Thank you, Mike. Thank you for being on the call today. Do we have any other questions? If so, you can unmute the line with Alan

Tim Winter, Analyst, Gabelli Funds: Paul, this is Tim Winter with Gabelli Funds. Can you hear me?

Paul Nestor, President and CEO, RGC Resources Inc.: I can, Tim. Good morning. How are you today?

Tim Winter, Analyst, Gabelli Funds: I'm doing well. I'm doing well. Thanks for the call and thanks for taking my question. I had a couple of questions. One simple, what is the rate base number contemplated for the Roanoke rate order?

Paul Nestor, President and CEO, RGC Resources Inc.: Sure. Tom, you want to answer that?

Tommy Oliver, Senior Vice President, Regulatory and External Affairs, RGC Resources Inc.: The rate order, the rate base was around $200,000,000 and then we've got some save rate base, RNG rate base. So a total of maybe $210,000,000 to $220,000,000 that range.

Paul Nestor, President and CEO, RGC Resources Inc.: Net rate base, right? Net rate base, correct.

Tommy Oliver, Senior Vice President, Regulatory and External Affairs, RGC Resources Inc.: You take out the depreciation, cumulative depreciation, deferred tax, some of those items that don't earn a return.

Tim Winter, Analyst, Gabelli Funds: Okay. Okay. Thank you. And then on Mountain Valley, you've written that down. What would be like the rate base number there?

And I know it's extremely valuable pipeline, and I'm sure it is to others as well. I'm just wondering if there were to be a bigger party interested in buying your interest, what the considerations would be from your end is to holding it versus selling it?

Paul Nestor, President and CEO, RGC Resources Inc.: Yes, Tim.

Tim Winter, Analyst, Gabelli Funds: Significant tax consequences?

Paul Nestor, President and CEO, RGC Resources Inc.: Yes, that's a great question. And it does have a complicated answer, especially with what you added there at the end of the tax considerations. And just as a reminder to those on the call, we did impair approximately 80% of our investment in 2022. So our RGC Midstream subsidiary has contributed approximately $58,000,000 in cash to the construction of the pipeline, Tim. And we of course have had some AFUDC or equity earnings that added to the balance sheet investment.

I believe today our balance sheet investment at approximately $20,000,000 Does that sound right, Tim? That's correct. Yes, after the impairment and with the recent equity and earnings. So it is a very $21,000,000 Thank you, Kelsey. It is a very low number relative we believe to the value of the assets.

You're a good comment there. So the short answer is yes, if there were to be a transaction with the assets or of course, tax consequences. It is a little more complicated because of the non cash loss, if you will, that we reported to the impairment. But it's an item that we do think about again as we should as a management team with respect to all of our assets, right? What is the actual value, if you will, and certainly the fair market value of any asset that we have on our balance sheet.

I'm not sure if that answered your question, but

Tim Winter, Analyst, Gabelli Funds: No, I appreciate it. Thank you. That's very helpful. And then just one more since I got the mic. Can you talk a little bit about your equity needs going forward?

How much you're thinking about?

Paul Nestor, President and CEO, RGC Resources Inc.: Sure. I may start with that and then let Tim and Tommy add too if they would like Tim. But certainly, we feel like we're well capitalized in the regulated utility. And maybe, Tom, you can talk a little bit about the equity structure at the regulated utility.

Tommy Oliver, Senior Vice President, Regulatory and External Affairs, RGC Resources Inc.: Just coming out of the rate case, the commission approved capital structure that contained about 59% equity. I think that's a fair and reasonable balance of equity.

Paul Nestor, President and CEO, RGC Resources Inc.: Yes, especially for a utility our size. And certainly with the uptick to the 9.9% ROE, we like that 59% equity layer at the utility. Correct. Tim made some comments and I may flip it back. Tim Mulvaney made some comments about our debt in RGC Midstream.

It's got a different capital structure. Maybe Tim can talk a little bit about how we're thinking about some of that debt. And Tim Winter will come back to your question about equity at the holding company from there.

Tim Mulvaney, Vice President, Treasurer and Chief Financial Officer, RGC Resources Inc.: Sure. So at the midstream level, we do have debt that supports the investments that we have made. None of that debt is coming due in fiscal 2025. We do have $800,000 of amortization on it, but none of that debt is coming due. So, we're working with banks and other

Mike, Analyst/Investor: partners on what the long term capital structure now that the pipe is

Tim Mulvaney, Vice President, Treasurer and Chief Financial Officer, RGC Resources Inc.: run up gas that in fiscal 2026 mature. So we're looking at that. We've already started those conversations, but we don't have anything to report right at this point.

Paul Nestor, President and CEO, RGC Resources Inc.: Yes, that's right. And certainly, this comes back full circle to the interest rate environment. We would actually be happy to see some lower interest rate environment, so we could term out some of that debt, whether it's in the RDC Midstream subsidiary or impact in Roanoke Gas, go a little bit longer on some debt. All that to say, Tim, our equity plans for 2025 are very light at the moment. Again, we're always monitoring capital market conditions and business conditions and that could change based on those conditions.

But our earnings per share estimate doesn't have a large equity infusion built into it.

Tim Winter, Analyst, Gabelli Funds: Okay, great. Thank you so much.

Paul Nestor, President and CEO, RGC Resources Inc.: Thank you. Do we have any other questions? If we do, please dial to unmute your line. We'll pause for just a moment more to see if anyone else has a question. Okay.

Well, hearing none, this does conclude our Q4 fiscal 2024 earnings call. I would just like to thank you for being with us today. And again, a special thanks to our customers and employees and shareholders and business partners who again helped make this company so successful. And from all of us here at RGC Resources and running a gas company, we certainly wish you a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. And we look forward to holding this call again in February of 2025 to discuss the Q1 results.

Thank you.

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