Earnings call transcript: Ryan Specialty’s Q2 2025 earnings beat forecasts but stock dips

Ryan Specialty Group Holdings Inc. ($16.1 billion market cap) reported stronger-than-expected earnings for the second quarter of 2025, with both revenue and earnings per share (EPS) surpassing analyst forecasts. Despite these positive results, the company’s stock fell 2.09% in aftermarket trading, highlighting investor concerns about property market conditions and leverage. According to InvestingPro analysis, the company is currently trading below its Fair Value, with analysts setting price targets ranging from $63 to $90.

Key Takeaways

• Ryan Specialty reported EPS of $0.66, beating the forecast of $0.65.
• Revenue reached $855.2 million, surpassing the expected $832.02 million.
• The stock fell 2.09% in aftermarket trading, despite the earnings beat.
• Organic revenue growth was 7.1%, with strategic acquisitions bolstering future prospects.
• Challenges in the property insurance market and net leverage of 3.5x were noted.

Company Performance

Ryan Specialty demonstrated solid performance in Q2 2025, continuing its trend of consistent growth. The company achieved a 23% increase in total revenue, driven by organic growth and strategic acquisitions. Despite challenges in the property insurance market, the firm maintained robust performance in casualty lines, particularly in transportation and professional liability sectors.

Financial Highlights

• Revenue: $855.2 million, up 23% year-over-year.
• Earnings per share: $0.66, a 13.8% increase from the previous year.
• Adjusted EBITDAC grew 24.5% to $38 million, with a margin expansion of 50 basis points to 36.1%.

Earnings vs. Forecast

Ryan Specialty’s EPS of $0.66 exceeded the forecasted $0.65, resulting in a 1.54% surprise. Revenue also surpassed expectations, coming in at $855.2 million against a forecast of $832.02 million, marking a 2.79% surprise. These results reflect the company’s ability to outperform modest expectations consistently.

Market Reaction

Despite the positive earnings surprise, Ryan Specialty’s stock fell 2.09% in aftermarket trading to $58.9. This decline suggests investor caution, possibly due to concerns about property market conditions and the company’s leverage, which stands at 3.5x. The stock’s defensive characteristics are evident in its beta of 0.65, indicating lower volatility compared to the broader market. InvestingPro’s comprehensive analysis shows the company maintains a "Fair" overall financial health score, though it trades at a relatively high P/E multiple of 148x.

Outlook & Guidance

The company revised its full-year organic revenue growth guidance to 9-11% and expects adjusted EBITDAC margins of 32.5-33%. Ryan Specialty aims to achieve a 35% margin by 2027, with a continued focus on mergers and acquisitions and talent acquisition to drive future growth.

Executive Commentary

Pat Ryan, Founder and Executive Chairman, expressed confidence in the company’s ability to innovate and diversify within the specialty insurance market. CEO Tim Turner highlighted strong secular growth trends and specific growth drivers for Ryan Specialty. CFO Janice Hamilton reiterated the company’s commitment to delivering double-digit organic growth for the full year.

Risks and Challenges

• Declines in property pricing and a modest expected decline in the property book could impact future revenue.
• The company’s 3.5x total net leverage might raise concerns about financial stability.
• Market conditions in the property insurance sector remain challenging, with significant rate declines.
• Potential macroeconomic pressures could affect the broader insurance industry.

Q&A

During the earnings call, analysts focused on property pricing declines and potential market recovery. Executives addressed the Nationwide reinsurance deal and growth opportunities, while also discussing concerns about the MGA model and incentive alignment. The strength in casualty lines and alternative risk solutions was also highlighted. Seven analysts have recently revised their earnings estimates downward for the upcoming period, according to InvestingPro’s latest data. For detailed analysis of Ryan Specialty’s financial performance and future prospects, investors can access the comprehensive Pro Research Report, available exclusively to InvestingPro subscribers.

Full transcript - Ryan Specialty Group Holdings Inc (RYAN) Q2 2025:

Earnings Call Moderator, Ryan Specialty Holdings: Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us today for Ryan Specialty Holdings Second Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Conference Call. In addition to this call, the company filed a press release with the SEC earlier this afternoon, which has also been posted to its website at ryanspecialty.com. On today’s call, management’s prepared remarks and answers to your questions may contain forward looking statements. Investors should not place undue reliance on any forward looking statements. These statements are based on management’s current expectations and beliefs and are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those discussed today.

Listeners are encouraged to review the more detailed discussion of these risk factors contained in the company’s filings with the SEC. The company assumes no duty to update such forward looking statements in the future, except as required by law. Additionally, certain non GAAP financial measures will be discussed on this call and should not be considered in isolation or as a substitute for the financial information presented in accordance with GAAP. Reconciliations of these non GAAP financial measures to the most closely comparable measures prepared in accordance with GAAP are included in the earnings release, which is filed with the SEC and available on the company’s website. With that, I’d now like to turn the call over to the founder and executive chairman of Ryan Specialty, Pat Ryan.

Pat Ryan, Founder and Executive Chairman, Ryan Specialty Holdings: Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us to discuss our second quarter results. With me on today’s call is our CEO, Tim Turner our president, Jeremiah Pickham our CFO, Jens Hamilton our CEO of underwriting managers, Miles Willer and our head of investor relations, Nick Mesick. Our second quarter was solid and demonstrates the resiliency of our platform, particularly when we’re considering the property headwind. For the quarter, we grew total revenue 23%, driven by organic revenue growth of 7.1% and m and a, which added 13 percentage points to the top line. Adjusted EBITDAC grew 24.5% to $3.00 $8,000,000 Adjusted EBITDAC margin expanded 50 basis points to 36.1%, and adjusted earnings per share grew 13.8% to 66¢.

Although organic revenue growth fell short of our expectations, I’m pleased with our results, which reflect our continued ability to navigate through this rapidly evolving insurance market and complex macro environment. This is a testament to the depth and breadth of our team and the diversity of our products and lines of business. Across the firm, we generated solid new business and high renewal retention. We continue to deliver for our clients in a very firm casualty market, and that strong casualty growth across all three of our specialties. We have long said that we capture broad tailwinds in the specialty and E and S market while also capitalizing on specific areas of accelerated growth as they arise.

This is evident across many products and lines of business, notably high hazard casualty as well as transportation. We experienced headwinds from a significant decline in property pricing and the bleed in of uncertainty from the trade war and other macro factors impacting construction. As discussed last quarter, the second quarter is our largest property quarter, and the 2024 was the last very strong quarter for property before rates began to decline, which set us up for our most challenging year over year comparison. We had excellent contributions to our top line from recent acquisitions. In the quarter, we closed on both USQ risk and 360 degree underwriting.

And earlier this month, closed on JM Wilson, a binding authority firm noted for his expertise in transportation. We are very excited to welcome these new teammates into the Rhine specialty family. Our robust m and a activity over the past two years and since our founding continues to advance our long term strategy through significantly expanding our total addressable market, adding expertise, augmenting our capabilities to serve our clients across market segments, and broadening our international footprint. And by adding many new programs and unique MGUs, providing us with greater advantages to extend our lead and delegated underwriting authority now and over the long term. We continue to make investments in key talent and new initiatives that will drive strong growth in the near, medium, and long term.

These investments will significantly boost our unmatched capabilities to generate new business, organic growth, and margin benefits for Ryan’s specialty in 2026 and beyond. We’ve also further expanded our strategic alliance with Nationwide Mutual, and I’m very excited about two specific areas. Yesterday, Nationwide announced a deal to acquire the reinsurance renewal rights from Markel. Ryan Re, our reinsurance underwriting MGU, and Nationwide’s exclusive reinsurance underwriter will have delegated authority to underwrite this book of business. Ryan Re will be getting a diversified portfolio with complementary lines and new relationships.

Second, through Orion Alternative Risk, we are creating innovative solutions to help solve complex risks for our clients. These initiatives are a testament to our ability to cultivate deep strategic relationships with leading insurance institutions that Jeremiah will speak to shortly. As we look forward, we are confident in our ability to innovate, invest, and continue to strengthen and diversify our offerings within the specialty insurance market. Our relentless efforts to navigate both near term challenges and a very firm casualty market, all while investing in areas of accelerating growth and making thoughtful acquisitions, give a strong conviction that we will continue delivering annual double digit organic growth and leading in the specialty lines insurance sector. As the coach of this terrific team, I’m incredibly proud of our ability to mitigate the impact of the dramatic swing in property pricing in q two with significant new business production.

We continue to be unwavering in our dedication to clients and trading partners. I’m pleased to turn the call over to our chief executive officer, Tim Turner. Tim.

Tim Turner, CEO, Ryan Specialty Holdings: Thank you very much, Pat. Ryan Specialty had a solid second quarter. I was pleased with how our team executed, especially considering some headwinds. Despite these pressures, we remain hyper focused on successfully executing what we can control. The combination of strong secular growth trends and Ryan Specialty specific growth drivers will propel us forward.

These include our specialized intellectual capital, unique trading relationships at scale, and an ability to innovate, evolve, and stay ahead of the market, including the two significant new business opportunities that Pat mentioned. This all drives our strong conviction that we have a tremendous runway for continued growth for years to come. We remain relentless in our goal to yet again deliver double digit organic growth for the full year and are well positioned for the long term. Now diving into our specialties. Our wholesale brokerage specialty had a solid quarter.

In property, we executed well in a very challenging environment, and I am proud of our results. We saw a rapid decline in property pricing as the quarter progressed, especially in the month of June. We expect this significantly soft pricing environment to continue at least in the near term, which drives our expectation for property to decline modestly for the full year. Despite this rapid decline in property insurance pricing, flow into the channel remained strong, and we took share, won head to head against our competitors, and had another quarter of high renewal retention. This is a testament to our tenacious and ultra competitive RT brokerage team.

We know how to navigate adversity in the marketplace, find new opportunities to grow and expand our market share, and importantly, find ways to win. It’s in our DNA. Long term, our outlook is more optimistic. This year marks the sixth consecutive year with over 100,000,000,000 in insured losses from catastrophes, specifically from severe convective storms, floods, and wildfires, and there are still five months remaining. Assuming an average wind season, 2025 will end up being a significant loss year and has the potential to make the current property pricing declines short term in nature, which demonstrates just how sensitive the property market is to large loss events.

We believe that elevated and higher frequency catastrophe losses, a rise in secondary perils, and increased populations in cat affected areas supports the long term durability of and the need for E and S property solutions. With our deep capabilities, we will continue to deliver value for our trading partners and offer solutions to the most complex issues our clients face, irrespective of the market cycle. We continue to expect property to be an important contributor to our growth over the long term. Our casualty practice had another great quarter with excellent new business and high renewal retention. We saw strength in a number of areas, most notably transportation, habitational risks, public entities, sports and entertainment, health care, social and human services, and consumer product liability.

Our professional lines brokers have been resilient and resourceful in identifying new opportunities and were a contributor to growth this quarter despite continued pricing pressure in many lines. More broadly in casualty, loss trends driven by both economic and severe social inflation are causing carriers to increase rates, pull back appetite, and in some cases, exit markets completely. Risks in each of these classes and many others are continuing to move into the specialty and E and S markets. We see the E and S market responding in a disciplined manner with carriers tightening distribution lines, reunderwriting, changing appetite, raising prices, and focusing on limit management. We believe the need for the specialized industry and product level expertise that Ryan Specialty offers has never been greater, and our value proposition has never been stronger.

With difficult loss trends likely to continue, we see a long runway for sustained casualty pricing. We remain confident that casualty will be a strong driver of our growth moving forward and believe we will remain a leader in casualty solutions for years to come. Now turning to our delegated authority specialties, which include both binding and underwriting management. Our binding authority specialty continues to perform very well, driven by our top tier talent and expanding product set for small, tough to place commercial p and c risks. We continue to believe panel consolidation and binding authority remains a long term growth opportunity, and we are well positioned to serve our clients as this trend persists.

Our underwriting management specialty had a solid quarter with excellent results in casualty, which helped mitigate pressure across the property and construction segment. We also had meaningful contributions from recent acquisitions, which added over 55 percentage points of growth to the top line of this specialty. Over the last few years, we’ve added multiple specialty MGUs and programs that we feel privileged to have added to the Ryan Specialty family. They have brought to us unique product sets, technology advantages, like efficient online distribution, and expanded our geographic presence. These firms have also added critical capabilities, meaningfully increased our footprint across all market segments, and bolstered the number of products we’re able to distribute through our wholesale broker, RT Specialty.

Our recent cohort of acquisitions continues to perform well, adding value to our efforts and materially contributing toward our long term delegated authority strategy. Stepping back, our skill and discipline to manage these businesses through the insurance cycle bolsters our ability to deliver consistently profitable underwriting results, growth, and scale over the long term. We remain well positioned to capitalize on both organic and inorganic delegated authority growth opportunities. Turning to price and flow. We have repeatedly noted that in any cycle, as certain lines are perceived to reach pricing adequacy, admitted markets tend to step back in on certain placements.

However, this is still not playing out in any meaningful way, and the standard market has not meaningfully impacted rate or flow in the aggregate. As we’ve said since our IPO, we continue to expect the flow of business into the specialty and E and S market to be a significant driver of Ryan Specialty’s growth over the long term, more so than rate. This was demonstrated in q two as the flow of business into the E and S channel remained strong across all lines, and we benefited from that flow and posted meaningful growth despite significant property pricing declines. Turning to m and a, we were pleased to close three acquisitions over the past few months. We expect USQ risk to be a significant contributor to our alternative risk offerings for property, casualty, and transportation.

Three sixty degree underwriting and Irish MGU specializing in commercial construction further expands our international footprint. And on July 1, we completed the acquisition of JM Wilson, which is an excellent addition to our binding authority and transportation offering. With 19,000,000 of annual revenue, JM Wilson adds high quality talent in the Midwest with expertise across transportation and adds to our long term goal to become the national leader in binding authority. Further on the m and a front, our pipeline continues to be robust, including both tuck ins and large deals. That said, we will only move forward when all of our criteria for m and a are met, a strong cultural fit, strategic, and accretive.

To sum up, it was a solid quarter for Ryan Specialty, and I am proud of how our team executed and the results we delivered. I am confident we will navigate these headwinds. The team remains resolute in our long term outlook and our overall value proposition. We are deepening and earning the trust and respect of our clients every day, making us a highly valued trading partner for their specialty insurance needs. Quite simply, our scale, scope, and intellectual capital has been thoughtfully crafted over fifteen years and is the foundation of our ability to continue winning and expanding our market share over time.

We also will continue to be a destination of choice for the best talent in the industry, driven by our winning and empowering culture and nonstop focus on innovation. All of this makes our platform exceedingly difficult to replicate. And as we head into the latter half of 2025, you should expect us to further invest in our platform to widen our long term competitive advantages that continue to clearly set us apart from the specialty industry. With that, I will now turn the call over to Jeremiah. Thank you.

Jeremiah Pickham, President, Ryan Specialty Holdings: Thank you, Tim. We remain on our front foot in terms of being a growth minded business, thoughtfully balancing investments for growth and margin expansion. As a demonstration of our ability to be a new business machine, I’m excited to discuss two new initiatives that will help us sustain exceptional organic growth and will be margin accretive starting in 2026. First, we are in the process of renewing our strategic alliance with Nationwide for a fresh ten year commitment and a significant expansion of our already robust relationship. As Pat mentioned, Ryan Re will be Nationwide’s exclusive reinsurance MGU in their reinsurance renewal rights deal with Markel.

We are significantly ramping up talent investments to take advantage of this unique opportunity. While this investment in talent will temporarily impact margins in the 2025, we expect a benefit to margins during q one and 2026, aligned with the revenue seasonality of this business. It’s also worth noting that our deep relationships with Nationwide and Markel were instrumental in facilitating this unique transaction. And as a result, we are expanding our highly strategic trading relationship with Markel as well. Second, we are making significant progress in our Ryan alternative risk business, building on our prior acquisition of Keystone and the recent acquisition of USQ Risk.

We have been making a major investment in top tier talent and intellectual capital across different verticals to help develop and distribute these innovative products. Based on our strategic alliance with Nationwide, we expect to create a suite of innovative solutions and generate considerable new business over the medium term. These two distinct initiatives serve as clear examples of how our strong relationships with top tier trading partners create unique opportunities for Ryan Specialty. We are confident that similar opportunities will continue to arise in the future. These initiatives are also great examples of how investing in the near term positions us to generate significant new business, organic growth, and margin benefits as we progress through 2026 and beyond.

The ongoing secular growth drivers in the industry and our specific strategies that Tim mentioned, illustrated in part by these two initiatives, give us high conviction in delivering meaningful growth in 2026 and for the foreseeable future. With that, I’ll now turn the call over to our chief financial officer, Janice Hamilton, who will give you more details on our financial results. Janice?

Janice Hamilton, CFO, Ryan Specialty Holdings: Thanks, Jeremiah. In q two, total revenue grew 23% period over period to eight fifty five million dollars Growth was fueled by organic revenue growth of 7.1%, substantial contributions from M and A, which added 13 percentage points to our top line, and contingent commissions across all three specialties as we continue to deliver strong underwriting profits for our carrier trading partners. Adjusted EBITDAC grew 24.5% to $3.00 8,000,000 Adjusted EBITDAC margin expanded 50 basis points to 36.1%, driven by another quarter of strong revenue growth, including recent acquisitions. Adjusted earnings per share grew 13.8% to zero six six dollars Our adjusted effective tax rate was 26% for the quarter. Based on the current environment, we expect a similar tax rate for the remainder of 2025.

Turning to capital allocation. M and A remains our top priority now and for the foreseeable future. We ended the quarter at 3.5 times total net leverage on a credit basis, and we remain willing to temporarily go above our comfort corridor for M and A that meets our criteria. Our strong free cash flow and the strength of our balance sheet provide flexibility to continue executing on strategic M and A opportunities. Based on the current interest rate environment, we expect to record GAAP interest expense, which is net of interest income on our operating funds of approximately $223,000,000 in 2025, with $57,000,000 to be expensed in the third quarter.

Turning to guidance. For the full year 2025, we are now guiding to organic revenue growth of 9% to 11%. Given the recent significant decline in property pricing, we see this trend continuing at least in the near term. This drives our expectation that our property book will decline modestly for the full year. As Tim discussed, there is the potential for these property pricing declines to be short term in nature, but this is not reflected in our guidance.

Our revised guidance also assumes overall macro uncertainty, continued effects of elevated borrowing costs, and ongoing trade war and tariffs continuing to have a near term impact on construction. Looking at the second half, we expect Q3 organic revenue growth to be higher than Q2 and Q4 as these quarters are heavily weighted towards property. While our revised guidance reflects our current assessment of market conditions, as Tim mentioned, we remain relentless in our goal to yet again hit double digit organic growth for the full year. We are also now guiding to adjusted EBITDAC margins of 32.5% to 33%. In addition to our lower expectations for property, which are partially offset by our variable compensation base, our revised guidance includes the impact of investments, particularly in heavy staffing of exceptional talent to ramp up the Ryan Re and alternative risk initiatives.

As Jeremiah noted, we expect these investments will generate significant new business, organic growth, and margin benefits in the near, medium, and long term. Looking beyond 2025, we remain on track to hit our 35% margin target in 2027. With our differentiated business model focused on growth markets, our ability to provide innovative solutions to clients, and empowering an entrepreneurial culture, unique relationships, scale, and scope, we remain positioned for success over the long term. With that, we thank you for your time and would like to open up the call for q and a. Operator?

Earnings Call Moderator, Ryan Specialty Holdings: Thank you. At this time, if you would like to ask a question, please click on the raised hand button, which can be found on the black bar at the bottom of your screen. You may remove yourself from the queue at any time by lowering your hand. When it’s your turn, you’ll hear your name called and receive a message on your screen asking you to unmute. Please unmute and ask your question.

We’ll wait for just a moment to allow the queue to form. Our first question will come from Elyse Greenspan from Wells Fargo. Please unmute yourself and ask your question.

Elyse Greenspan, Analyst, Wells Fargo: Hi. Thanks. Good evening. My first question, I just wanted to focus on the discussion on just the property and what you guys saw in June. Because when you guys provided an update, right, early in the month, you did say Q2 was tracking below the full year guide, but you still thought you could hit, like, the full year number.

So you just give us a sense of the pricing declines you saw in June? And then embedded within the guide, are you assuming similar price declines for the remainder of the year? Or are you assuming that the market gets worse relative to what you saw in June?

Janice Hamilton, CFO, Ryan Specialty Holdings: Hey, Elise. This is Janice. I’ll start, and then maybe Tim can provide a little bit more color on property. So you’re absolutely right. When we met in June, we were talking about the expectation that organic for the second quarter would fall below our guide range.

We saw a rapid decline in property pricing throughout the month of June, which really culminated into the organic number of 7.1%, which, as Pat said, did fall short of our expectations. I’ll let Tim touch on the kind of context for the property pricing and what we saw in June. But specific to your other question about what was embedded in the guidance, we are continuing to see the property pricing declines from June carry forward for the remainder of the year. We So are no longer expecting any sort of stabilization or modest improvement in the back half of the year. This now reflects the same trends that we saw through the June continuing for the remainder of the year and resulting in a modest decline in property now for the full year of 2025 in our guidance.

Tim Turner, CEO, Ryan Specialty Holdings: And, Elyse, I would just add that our property submission flow remains very strong. Our retention levels are high. But the month of June, the rate deceleration accelerated. Last quarter, we saw 10% to 20% reductions on average. This quarter, 20% to 30%.

So June really accelerated. We’re continuing to win head to head in the field. We’re producing lots of new opportunities. We believe that these these rate depressions are are temporary. When things will turn around, we don’t know.

But we know from history that there there is a cycle to this. So we’re optimistic. As you know, we’ve offset these headwinds with very strong casualty performance and numbers, and professional liability has come back very strong, double digit growth in all of the professional liability lines. So all in all, we’re very proud of the results. We overcame this drastic reduction in pricing and property, and we’re optimistic for the second half.

Elyse Greenspan, Analyst, Wells Fargo: And my second question, can you just provide I know it sounds like the margin, like, tightening of the margin right towards the lower end, I guess, is less of a function of a weaker like, the weaker organic, but more of a function of the investments. I just wanna make sure I’m understanding, that correct. And can you put a dollar value, I guess, on the on the investments that you’re now expecting, you know, with the Ryan Re initiative that you were outlining in the second half of the year?

Janice Hamilton, CFO, Ryan Specialty Holdings: Yeah, Elyse. This is Janice again. So you’ve hit the two items. That’s what I mentioned in our prepared remarks. So the main items for moving the midpoint of the range down 25 basis points is looking at the property pricing declines that we’ve seen through June and then obviously carrying that forward for the rest of the year as we’ve talked about.

There’s also some additional uncertainty from a macroeconomic standpoint that has affected our construction book. That was probably the other item I spoke about that that you didn’t highlight that I’ve put out there. And then additionally, the investments that we’re making in RyanREE and also alternative risk. At this point, we’re not going to put a number on it. But given the property pricing headwinds that we saw and that we expect to continue for the rest of the year, we’re still very pleased with being able to deliver margin expansion in 2025 relative to 2024 and even just the 50 basis points that we put up in the quarter.

Elyse Greenspan, Analyst, Wells Fargo: And then one last one. Is it fair to assume wherever you end the year that the improvement from ’25 to ’27 would be evenly split between ’26 or and ’27, or is there anything we need to be aware of between the two years?

Janice Hamilton, CFO, Ryan Specialty Holdings: Yeah. I think at least at this point, it would be too earlier too early to comment on, you know, whether or not that would be even linear, etcetera. We’ll we’ll obviously be coming back to you in in probably relatively short order at the end of the year on on 2020 guidance. So you’ll have a better idea at that point, but we certainly always work through the balance of investing in talent and technology for future growth. So keep that in mind, but at this point, not willing to comment on whether that will be evenly spread.

But we are still committed to the 35% margin target in 2027.

Elyse Greenspan, Analyst, Wells Fargo: Thank you.

Earnings Call Moderator, Ryan Specialty Holdings: Our next question comes from Andrew Kligerman from TD Cowen. Please unmute yourself and ask your question. Andrew Kligerman, your line is now open. Please unmute yourself and ask your question. Okay.

In the meantime, we’ll move forward to Alex Scott from Barclays. If you could just unmute yourself and ask your question.

Alex Scott, Analyst, Barclays: Hey. Thanks for taking the question. I first wanted to start on the construction and the lower projects that you’ve seen. And I was interested if you’ve seen any changes in those trends recently. I mean, guess, in July as the economy has felt like it’s on a little more firm footing.

Have you seen any relief in that? Are you seeing that starting to pick up at all?

Tim Turner, CEO, Ryan Specialty Holdings: It’s remained fairly constant in terms of it. It’s been a slowdown. So we’re quoting a lot. We’re getting a lot of opportunities in projects, infrastructure projects, residential construction projects. And just Main Street construction business has been very steady and strong.

However, the binding periods have been prolonged, and the period of time from quote to bind has been extended. So interest rates affecting that, obviously. But again, our flow is as strong as it’s ever been, and we expect there to be some change here in the second half, and we think the binding will pick up. But I’d like to remind everyone that a big part of our construction practice group are renewable policies. These are general contractors, subcontractors, annual renewable policies, and that part of construction remains very strong.

Alex Scott, Analyst, Barclays: That’s helpful. My second question, I wanted to see if you could provide any more color around, you know, potential revenue benefits from the nationwide mandate that you got. You know, you provided some commentary on the expense piece of it, but and, you know, we can do our own math using their premiums and so forth. But I I just was interested if you could help us out with that at all.

Pat Ryan, Founder and Executive Chairman, Ryan Specialty Holdings: Are you referring to the Markel?

Alex Scott, Analyst, Barclays: Yes. Exactly.

Pat Ryan, Founder and Executive Chairman, Ryan Specialty Holdings: Yes. Well, we are very pleased to be appointed by Nationwide Mutual as they are completing this transaction with. We have built a very, very effective delegated authority, MGU, for reinsurance underwriting with our talented team at Ryan Re, and they’ve done a fantastic job putting Nationwide Mutual into a major position of underwriting property and casualty reinsurance. Significant growth, good margins on both sides for Nationwide and for Ryan Rigg. And so when Markel decided to focus more or more narrowly on direct underwriting of insurance was and sell their reinsurance book.

We were pleased that we were able to get together with them because we have a very strong relationship with Markel as well. And so the combination of the appeal of Nationwide and our team to Markel who essentially were not not didn’t have the scale that they really felt they needed to have to continue in the business. And so it’s a great opportunity for Nationwide and a very strong opportunity for ourselves.

Janice Hamilton, CFO, Ryan Specialty Holdings: And in terms of of sizing the revenue component to that, we’re we’re not going to to be able to comment on that specifically at this time. But the things to keep in mind, as Pat said, this is a renewal rights deal, so there, you know, is always an attrition component to that to be considered. Obviously, you’ll have to make your own assumptions about the commission rate, but just consider that Brian Brea and Nationwide have market rates from that perspective. And then for seasonality, Jeremiah mentioned just that the cost would be heavier in the back half of this year. The margin impact would be heavier in the back half of this year, assuming that the seasonality is more heavily weighted towards the first half of of every calendar year.

And I think that there’s probably publicly available financial information out there that can help try to validate that. But, obviously, that’s dependent on the book of business that is renewed.

Alex Scott, Analyst, Barclays: Got it. Okay. Thank you.

Earnings Call Moderator, Ryan Specialty Holdings: We’ll now go back to the line of Andrew Kligerman from TD Cowen. I can see your line’s unmuted. So please go ahead.

Pat Ryan, Founder and Executive Chairman, Ryan Specialty Holdings0: Can you can you hear me now? Can you hear me now?

Janice Hamilton, CFO, Ryan Specialty Holdings: Yes.

Pat Ryan, Founder and Executive Chairman, Ryan Specialty Holdings0: Okay. Great. Thank you. Sorry for that before. Just a quick follow-up.

Actually, couple of follow ups. The Nationwide transaction, I listened to the Markel call this morning. And in reinsurance, they were doing about a billion 2 in, premium. And I I guess I know you don’t wanna answer how much volume you could do, but do you feel confident that you could renew a lot of that?

Pat Ryan, Founder and Executive Chairman, Ryan Specialty Holdings: Yes. We have a tremendous underwriting team that Nationwide is really pleased with, as you can tell. And we have produced very strong underwriting results for Nationwide. And as you know from that call, Markel, they were subscale in their minds and felt that it was appropriate to to focus more narrowly. But, you know, a great talented team that’s coming over with this, and that’s very important to us that we have this talented team joining our very talented team.

And so our our talented team is really very confident as is Nationwide that they will grow this book, that’s that renews, and that they will improve the underwriting results from the from the book. So this is a win win for all parties, including the saving companies to Markel.

Pat Ryan, Founder and Executive Chairman, Ryan Specialty Holdings0: Sounds very exciting. And and then you also mentioned that you’re gonna expand the relationship with Markel, which is a massive ENS writer. Any any color that you could share on that?

Pat Ryan, Founder and Executive Chairman, Ryan Specialty Holdings: Well, we’ve had a very strong relationship with Markel over the fifteen years that we’ve been doing business. And as they indicated in that call, they’re gonna be focusing in on specialty lines, you know, principally in the E and S market, and we have this very strong binding relationship with them. Tim, why don’t you pick up on that?

Tim Turner, CEO, Ryan Specialty Holdings: Sure. Markel has been a tremendous trading partner of ours for a very long time, just very, very focused on E and S in North America. Great success, as Pat said, in binding. But in just Main Street property and casualty business, year in, year out, very, very consistent partner and great relationships from top to bottom in the organization. So this was a home run with a super super partner.

Pat Ryan, Founder and Executive Chairman, Ryan Specialty Holdings0: Yeah. Definitely sounds like it. And and and maybe just shifting to your comments earlier. I think when Tim Tim, you said in June, shifted down a lot, and then you followed up by saying, rates are are going down by 20 to 30%. So your model in the guidance assumes that for the balance of the year, property rates are down 20 to 30% year over year.

Is that did I understand that right?

Janice Hamilton, CFO, Ryan Specialty Holdings: Yeah. Andrew, you you got that right. So we’re assuming the same conditions that we saw at the end of at the June continue to play out to the end of the year. Tim also mentioned that just given, you know, what we’ve seen over 100,000,000,000 in insured losses this year and, you know, in the in the situation where there’s an average wind season and rates start to turn around, that’s obviously going to be upside for us. But at this point, we have no visibility into that turning around, and, therefore, we are continuing to include that within our expectation for the guide range and is the the single most significant reason for bringing the guide range down this quarter.

Pat Ryan, Founder and Executive Chairman, Ryan Specialty Holdings0: Got it. And then just last one quick one. General and admin expense ratio at 10.9 versus nine two year over year. I know you were you you talked a bit about expense ratio picking up, especially with this nationwide transaction. But, any color on why the big jump up in the in the year over year?

Janice Hamilton, CFO, Ryan Specialty Holdings: Yeah. Andrew, I I talked about this a little bit last quarter, and I think, you know, perhaps there’s just some further clarification needed around the adjusted comp and benefits ratio and adjusted G and A ratios. You know, we’re expecting the annualization benefit from US Assure to come through along with Accelerate 2025 savings to really be benefiting our adjusted comp and benefits ratio. The offset to that from an adjusted g and a perspective is a lot of the investments that we’re making, excuse me, in talent and AI are items that, you know, we would expect to see more in the g and a ratio. So I think it’s more just a balance of where those savings are starting to flow through that you’re seeing the the difference year over year as opposed to anything other than the investment platform in G and A.

Pat Ryan, Founder and Executive Chairman, Ryan Specialty Holdings0: Got it. Thank you so much.

Earnings Call Moderator, Ryan Specialty Holdings: Thank you. Our next question will come from Meyer Shields from KBW. Please unmute yourself and ask your question.

Pat Ryan, Founder and Executive Chairman, Ryan Specialty Holdings1: Great. I hope I’m coming through. Tim, I was hoping you talk more broadly, about whether there’s a risk that the same way property soften a lot faster than a lot of experts expected. Is there a a similar risk of unexpected softening maybe on casualty lines that are hardening now?

Tim Turner, CEO, Ryan Specialty Holdings: Hey, Ira. I I don’t believe so. There are so many different attributes to the long tail, high hazard casualty book that we look at and see every day. Loss cost adjustment factors accelerating, combined ratios continue to be challenging. And again, this isn’t a very narrow segment of the commercial market, high hazard, long tail casualty business.

We see more firming in niches like transportation, certain consumer product liability, habitational doing a lot of damage to the balance sheets of many insurance companies. And other niche firming phenomenons continue to drive the business into the channel with no sign of any of that business going back into the admitted market. So we’re very, very bullish on casualty business, including certain lines of professional liability.

Pat Ryan, Founder and Executive Chairman, Ryan Specialty Holdings1: Okay. That that’s very helpful. And I don’t know if this is a silver lining, but when we talk about the revenue pressure associated with property rate decreases, does that provide more property focused MGA acquisition opportunities?

Pat Ryan, Founder and Executive Chairman, Ryan Specialty Holdings2: Mayor, we we have the benefit of velocity dramatically rounding out our portfolio last year. So that’s been part of our success in in light of the rate pressure is our ability to provide a full portfolio of solutions across the value chain to E and S wholesalers has increased the number of at bats. So we’ve with Velocity under our ownership, we’ve actually been able to increase their capital under management. We’ve been able to increase their distribution through access to incremental RT wholesalers. So the reality is we are always on the lookout.

It’s we maintain an active M and A dialogue, but the product set is complete at this stage. And it’s more likely that, as you’ve seen in past cycles, we’ve seen a flight to quality of carriers looking to contribute their capital to our management. So staffing and capital is just as likely as M and A and property.

Pat Ryan, Founder and Executive Chairman, Ryan Specialty Holdings1: Great. Thank you so much, Miles.

Earnings Call Moderator, Ryan Specialty Holdings: Our next question will come from Mike Zaremski from BMO Capital Markets.

Pat Ryan, Founder and Executive Chairman, Ryan Specialty Holdings3: Hey. Great. Thanks. I’m going back to the, the property discussion. So the the this rapid rate of decline, which you’re seeing in I’m assuming it’s not obviously the entire portfolio, but but in a big chunk of the portfolio, causing organic for property, the outlook to be, you know, negative for the year.

I think we we understand that. I guess just, you know, if we and, Tim, to your point about, you know, the the the property market is just inherently volatile, you know, if this is a not, quote, unquote, normal, wind season that that rates could change materially. But I guess in I just wanna think through in our in our world, we have to think, quote, unquote, normal. So given the pace of decline, if we think out past ’25 into ’26, ’27, should we now be assuming that the base is is lower? Right?

So, you know, for example, you might have a a view that property over long periods of time increases goes back to plus I’m making it up plus 10%, but should we only grade up property slowly? Just, is that the right thought when we’re thinking about kind of outer year baselines for for property organic growth for Ryan?

Tim Turner, CEO, Ryan Specialty Holdings: Well, I’ll start, Mike, and let my colleagues jump in. What we’re really looking at is a multi peril approach to cat property. So it’s not just about wind. You know, it’s obviously lots of flood losses, convective storm losses, wildfire losses in the state of Oregon, lots of new loss activity out there. We’re just starting the wind season.

We just don’t believe this is going to be a long term challenge here. We had a tough comp quarter to overcome. We had headwinds. But the silver lining here is that we won a a lot frequently, head to head competition. Our submission flow continues to be strong.

So the business isn’t moving back into the standard market. It’s it’s our renewal rates. And and even new business that we’re writing are are are getting these 20%, 30% rate reductions. Do we think that will continue? We don’t.

You hear experts all the time in in these earnings calls the last week or two, CEOs of big insurance companies saying they think they’ve hit rock bottom on the rates. So I do I do believe it will subside, and I do believe it will it will go the other direction here in the foreseeable future.

Janice Hamilton, CFO, Ryan Specialty Holdings: But to be clear, that’s not reflected in our guidance.

Tim Turner, CEO, Ryan Specialty Holdings: Yes. That’s that’s the outlook. Yep.

Pat Ryan, Founder and Executive Chairman, Ryan Specialty Holdings3: Understood. I’m switching to the inorganic component. Revenues, right, it looks like they were better than expected total revenue. Sorry. We’ll definitely put pen to paper on the the exciting nationwide deal.

From a utilization of a future free cash flow perspective, you know, is is the pipeline continue to be strong and you would would, you know, potentially be able to use all free cash flow and new debt, on top of new EBITDA? Or just kinda gonna get your views on the, the m and a environment maybe, and I think we probably have to take take into account the the Nationwide deal too for cash usage potentially. Thanks.

Janice Hamilton, CFO, Ryan Specialty Holdings: Yeah. Thanks. I’m just gonna give a quick update, and then I think Pat wants to comment on the pipeline a little bit. And I just wanna go back on Nationwide for a second because I know Andrew asked the question about, you know, how much we think that we can renew. And I think there there is certainly the the conviction that, you know, we we will be reviewing the portfolio.

We’ll be working with the new talent to, you know, to assess, you know, the the elements of the portfolio that need to be removed renewed, working with Nationwide on that risk appetite. So I think it’s it’s too early to put a number on it, but, you know, certainly something that we’ll be working towards over the coming months. And as Jeremiah said, it’s gonna be, you know, accretive to us starting in the 2026. Just taking a step back in terms of the the the pipeline from an M and A perspective, you know, I think just based on where our leverage is at 3.5 times, I’ve said before, you know, we would have expected to to basically delever about a full turn from where we were at our high watermark previously. That’s probably down to about, you know, eight tenths of a turn just based on the recent acquisitions that we’ve done, but we still feel like we have ample capacity to do the M and A that

Janice Hamilton, CFO, Ryan Specialty Holdings: we have in our pipeline, and I know Pat would like

Janice Hamilton, CFO, Ryan Specialty Holdings: to talk more about that.

Pat Ryan, Founder and Executive Chairman, Ryan Specialty Holdings: Yes. Well, the m and I M and A pipeline is robust. There’s a lot of activity. We’ve looked at a lot of opportunities. We have a good, as I said, strong pipeline, which includes, we’ll talk in the large deals.

We that’s just focusing in on bringing in top talent and the acquisitions that we’ve been making. We’ve got some fantastic new talent. And as we say, m and a is next year’s organic growth in the following years. And so with this robust pipeline and the recent deals that we’ve completed are performing at very high levels. Miles referenced velocity, but we’ve had great success of blending, attracting this talent, integrating them into our system, into our teams, and increasing their productivity.

So we are gonna continue to be prudent in our leveraging, but we we are a destination of choice in the majority of cases that we’ve done, and we expect that to continue. I think we’re a destination of choice, we believe, in terms of the combination of Nationwide and Ryan’s specialty for Markel. So we keep that in mind as we’re looking at m and a opportunities. There are people who wanna join us. Are people who wanna bring their businesses to ours, and so we’re very optimistic about the future on m and a.

And as we’ve talked about, a lot of these levers we’ve been pulling to build organic growth that are in the short term, you’re hitting some decline be because of missed expectations because of rate decline, but the growth for in the business itself, we believe, is really quite strong. And that’s because we’ve done some very good m and a activity and attracted a lot of really good talent. And so we’ve been bringing talent in for alternative risk. We’re bringing talent in for reinsurance. We’re very pleased with this team we’re getting from Markel.

So we got a big chunk of pretty top professionals from Markel Re. So we just keep building on the quality of our talent and building on on the opportunity to serve our clients ever ever more appropriately and effectively.

Tim Turner, CEO, Ryan Specialty Holdings: Thank you.

Earnings Call Moderator, Ryan Specialty Holdings: Our next question will come from Robert Cox from Goldman Sachs. Please unmute yourself and ask your question.

Pat Ryan, Founder and Executive Chairman, Ryan Specialty Holdings4: Hey. Good evening. I just wanted to go back to casualty. Curious how the growth in casualty in the second quarter compared to the growth in casualty in the first quarter. And are you embedding a change in expectations there in the guidance, or is it all property?

Janice Hamilton, CFO, Ryan Specialty Holdings: Yeah. The casualty was a strong contributor to our growth in both the first and second quarters, and we are continuing to expect that into the second half of the year.

Tim Turner, CEO, Ryan Specialty Holdings: Yeah. There’s no let up at all in major casualty lines. And in fact, we see more niche firming phenomenons. I mentioned a few earlier, Rob, but I didn’t mention energy, public entity and municipalities. Certain consumer product liability continues to create a lot of loss dynamics and heavier flow there.

So we’re very, very bullish that we can continue to grow our casualty book, especially in these high hazard areas. So we’re excited about it.

Pat Ryan, Founder and Executive Chairman, Ryan Specialty Holdings4: Thanks. That’s helpful. And then I just had a follow-up on some of the recent acquisitions you’ve done. I think some of these bigger MGA acquisitions are rolling into organic growth over the next three quarters or so, like US Assure. Could you give us a sense generally on your organic growth outlook on those acquisitions relative to the overall firm?

Pat Ryan, Founder and Executive Chairman, Ryan Specialty Holdings2: Yeah. Rob, I appreciate the question. So U. S. Assured, you are correct, it does roll into the end of Q3.

Janice did highlight there are some realities to tackle. So there’s higher building costs, less available labor, sustained higher borrowing costs have all created headwinds and construction starts. Every time there’s macroeconomic uncertainty or trade war, The builders are ultimately repricing these projects, in many cases, revisiting financing. And the outcome, as Tim touched on, is increased time between quoting and inception of coverage. But I want to emphasize that the U.

S. Assured as well as our other builders’ risk practice have tremendous open quoted pipelines, some of the largest we’ve seen. And we do expect to see it bind as the year goes on. Close rates would certainly accelerate in a lower interest rate environment. But most importantly, Rob, I want to emphasize that our core investment thesis for expanding these assets remains intact.

There’s been a recent study that there’s as much as 8,000,000 to 9,000,000 shortfall of available housing units within The U. S. That needs to be addressed in the coming years. So we believe in the asset when we bought it, and we believe it in its outlook to contribute to the coming quarter.

Pat Ryan, Founder and Executive Chairman, Ryan Specialty Holdings4: Thank you.

Earnings Call Moderator, Ryan Specialty Holdings: As a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please click on the raised hand button, which can be found on the black bar at the bottom of your screen. You may remove yourself from the queue at any time by lowering your hand. When it’s your turn, you’ll hear your name called and receive a message on your screen asking you to unmute. Please unmute and ask your question. We’ll now go to Josh Shanker from Bank of America.

Please unmute yourself and ask your question.

Pat Ryan, Founder and Executive Chairman, Ryan Specialty Holdings5: Yeah. Thank you. You know, I really appreciate you indulging everybody. I have another Ryan Reed question. More or less, I just wanna give you an opportunity to, like, tell the story a little bit.

What capabilities does Ryan Re have? This is always an industry that’s that seems to be dominated by three participants and everyone else is treated as an also ran. Are there capabilities that they have that you don’t have? Is is Ryan a real competitor? Mean, this is obviously a large, large deal, so the answer is yes.

Can you talk a little about what you can do at Ryan Re compared to the big three?

Janice Hamilton, CFO, Ryan Specialty Holdings: Could you repeat the the company that you’re comparing it to?

Pat Ryan, Founder and Executive Chairman, Ryan Specialty Holdings5: Aon Re Ryan Re. The guy Carpenter and

Pat Ryan, Founder and Executive Chairman, Ryan Specialty Holdings: Oh, well, they’re they’re they’re okay. Well, they’re they’re they do we do business with them. Ryan Reed does business with They’re clients.

Pat Ryan, Founder and Executive Chairman, Ryan Specialty Holdings5: Oh, I don’t want you to disparage your competitors. I want you to talk about the capability. Are there things that No. They’re not they’re not

Pat Ryan, Founder and Executive Chairman, Ryan Specialty Holdings: they’re not excuse me. They’re not competitors. They bring us business. They are not competitors. We do not we’re not a reinsurance broker.

Pat Ryan, Founder and Executive Chairman, Ryan Specialty Holdings5: We’re a reinsurance brand of underwriting no broking a market. Me okay. There’s no there’s no broking capabilities you have within the Ryan Re

Pat Ryan, Founder and Executive Chairman, Ryan Specialty Holdings: No. We’re an underwriter.

Pat Ryan, Founder and Executive Chairman, Ryan Specialty Holdings5: Purely underwriter. They love us.

Pat Ryan, Founder and Executive Chairman, Ryan Specialty Holdings: They bring us business.

Pat Ryan, Founder and Executive Chairman, Ryan Specialty Holdings2: So so Nationwide is the capacity for RyanREE, and RyanREE is reinsurance. And the added I mean, I think maybe the heart of your question is, though, the added capabilities through the acquired book of business and the talent coming along with it does increase the specialty footprint of the portfolio.

Pat Ryan, Founder and Executive Chairman, Ryan Specialty Holdings: It increases the scale, increases the geography, increases the talent, it increases the scope, It increases everything, and we expect that’s gonna be a very important contribution to our future. But I I wanna be clear. I I I don’t think we were. We are not a reinsurance broker. We hire them.

They bring us business. They’re our production force. Gallagher is a very good producer for us. Ann Ree’s a good producer for us. Guy Carpenter is a big producer for us.

They love us.

Pat Ryan, Founder and Executive Chairman, Ryan Specialty Holdings5: Fantastic. That that that helps me a lot, and I appreciate the answers. Thank you.

Earnings Call Moderator, Ryan Specialty Holdings: Thank you. And our next question will come from Katie Sakis from Autonomous. Please unmute yourself and ask your question.

Pat Ryan, Founder and Executive Chairman, Ryan Specialty Holdings6: Hi. Thank you, and good evening. I I just wanted to to circle back to the discussion of the organic guidance this, this year, and I I apologize if I’m sort of beating a dead horse here. But you you guys do discuss remaining relentless in your goal to deliver a double digit organic growth result this year. It seems like there’s a scenario where you’re more in the high single digit range.

And assuming that your current view on property pricing continuing to decrease into the end of the year brings organic to the midpoint of the 9% to 11% range. How do you kind of view the pushes and pulls from the 9% to the 11%? Or what might ultimately take you down to the lower end of that range this year?

Janice Hamilton, CFO, Ryan Specialty Holdings: Thanks, Katie. Well, I think we’ve talked about, obviously, what the property expectations are in bringing us down. Tim has commented on the strength in casualty, and we’re really focused on capitalizing the specific areas of growth that continue to accelerate, high hazard casualty and transportation, you know, specifically. And I think that there are, you know, a number of ways that we have proven that we are continuing to navigate these headwinds. We’re at 9.6% organic growth for the year to date.

And in this context, 9% to 11% would be a fantastic year when our business could be down you know, a third of our business could be down modestly, but we have a number of different initiatives. We have strong business growth across a number of different business lines. And on balance, we feel good about our goal in continuing to hit that double digit organic growth.

Pat Ryan, Founder and Executive Chairman, Ryan Specialty Holdings: One of the other points that we should add is that we are balancing our business by bringing in more capital for our clients with alternative risk, building that nicely, and that’s adding incrementally to growth. The scale is is escalating nicely, and we keep pulling levers to enhance our organic growth. We we’re very proud of the fact that we’ve been double digit organic growth for all of our public life and most of our life before going public. We take this very seriously, and we are constantly looking for ways to increase our productivity and fight the headwinds that we get from price declines. And so what we’ve been talking about and and we’ve lowered the the guidance just because the market is as Janice has very well said, the market has been rapidly deescalating prices on a third of our business.

And so we feel really good that we’re hovering at double digit in spite of all of that pressure. And so believe that we are working every possible lever pulling it and stimulating our product productivity and our underwriters and our brokers to end this year at double digit organic growth.

Pat Ryan, Founder and Executive Chairman, Ryan Specialty Holdings6: Thank you. I do appreciate the color there. Perhaps as a follow-up on a completely different line of questioning, we’ve we’ve heard rather emphatic and pointed discussions from some carriers over the last couple of weeks describing, you know, in their words, a misalignment of incentives in the MGA model.

Janice Hamilton, CFO, Ryan Specialty Holdings: Katie, you’re you’re cutting out a little bit. I don’t know if you can try to start over again or see if you can get a better signal.

Pat Ryan, Founder and Executive Chairman, Ryan Specialty Holdings6: My apologies. Are you able to hear

Tim Turner, CEO, Ryan Specialty Holdings: me? Yes. Yes.

Pat Ryan, Founder and Executive Chairman, Ryan Specialty Holdings: We didn’t quite understand the question, Katie.

Pat Ryan, Founder and Executive Chairman, Ryan Specialty Holdings6: I apologize. I’ll I’ll

Pat Ryan, Founder and Executive Chairman, Ryan Specialty Holdings0: try again. Yeah.

Pat Ryan, Founder and Executive Chairman, Ryan Specialty Holdings6: We we’ve heard some pretty emphatic discussions from carriers over the last couple of weeks regarding what they describe as a misalignment of incentives in the MGA model. What do you make of that, and how might you respond to those characterizations?

Pat Ryan, Founder and Executive Chairman, Ryan Specialty Holdings: Well, that’s probably true in some of them, and certainly not true at all with us. We are aligned with our capital providers. We have very strong relationship with our capital providers, and our alignment, we we value very highly. And I think even the people who complain about MGAs say that’s not across the board, and they’re referring to us because they know that we’re aligned. That’s why that’s why capital providers are standing at the door trying to get more of our business, and that’s evolved over fifteen years to a point now where we have the top capital providers all around the world, different regions of the world, and people who will not give us their pen in the past are now doing that.

So we have but we’re very proud of our alignment. What other what others do is not our business.

Pat Ryan, Founder and Executive Chairman, Ryan Specialty Holdings6: Great to hear. Thank you.

Pat Ryan, Founder and Executive Chairman, Ryan Specialty Holdings2: Katie, we we’d we’d that we’ve the investment platform over the last ten to fifteen years, the top decile talent in the front office, the robust infrastructure around it of actuarial. And the outcome has been a control and governance platform that can help curtail growth when needed. We at our scale, we have the comfort to shut off lines when needed, slow growth in lines because, as Pat referenced, at any given point, we have enough new opportunities in the pipeline that we are to continue this kind of double digit structural growth going forward. But we’ve made the investment. Carriers are coming to us for access to niche solutions, diversification of their core business, improved cost efficiency, increased speed to market.

And on top of that, our underwriting results to date are highly differentiated from the rest of the marketplace, both MGUs and insurance carriers alike. So we think it’s a durable advantage to our carrier clients that’s going to persist.

Pat Ryan, Founder and Executive Chairman, Ryan Specialty Holdings6: Got it. Thanks for the color.

Earnings Call Moderator, Ryan Specialty Holdings: Thank you, Katie. And if that concludes the questions, then that’s all we have for today. So I’ll hand back to management for closing remarks. Thank you.

Pat Ryan, Founder and Executive Chairman, Ryan Specialty Holdings: Well, thank you all for joining us. Very good questions. Thank you for the opportunity to share our thoughts with you on our results, and we look forward to talking to you a quarter from now. Thank you.

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