Earnings call transcript: Sandvik AB’s Q2 2025 results miss expectations

Sandvik AB reported its second-quarter 2025 earnings, revealing a miss on both earnings per share (EPS) and revenue forecasts. The company posted an EPS of $2.56, falling short of the projected $2.87, marking a surprise of -10.8%. Revenue came in at $29.7 billion, below the forecasted $30.2 billion, resulting in a -1.07% revenue surprise. Despite these misses, Sandvik’s stock price saw a positive market reaction, rising 2.84% to $235.60. According to InvestingPro data, the company maintains a strong financial health score, with 4 analysts recently revising their earnings estimates upward for the upcoming period.

Key Takeaways

• Sandvik’s EPS and revenue both missed forecasts for Q2 2025.
• Despite the earnings miss, the stock price increased by 2.84%.
• The mining segment showed strong momentum, contributing to positive sentiment.
• The company reported a strong cash flow of SEK 5.1 billion.
• Sandvik revised its full-year capital expenditure guidance down to SEK 4.5 billion.

Company Performance

Sandvik AB’s overall performance in Q2 2025 was mixed. While the company faced a decline in total revenue by 5%, it achieved organic growth of 3%. The mining segment continued to show strong momentum, which was a positive factor for the company. Other segments like general engineering and automotive remained weak. The company’s ability to manage tariff and currency impacts, along with a strong order backlog, were highlighted as strengths. InvestingPro analysis reveals the company operates with a moderate debt-to-equity ratio of 0.24 and maintains healthy liquidity with a current ratio of 1.77, indicating strong financial management.

Financial Highlights

• Revenue: $29.7 billion, down 5% year-over-year
• Adjusted EBITDA: SEK 5,600 million, with a margin of 19%
• Adjusted profit for the period: SEK 3.7 billion
• Strong cash flow: SEK 5.1 billion
• Net working capital reduced to 29.6%

Earnings vs. Forecast

Sandvik’s actual EPS of $2.56 missed the forecast of $2.87 by 10.8%. Revenue also fell short, with actual figures at $29.7 billion compared to the expected $30.2 billion, a difference of -1.07%. This earnings miss is notable compared to previous quarters, where the company had been more in line with market expectations.

Market Reaction

Despite the earnings miss, Sandvik’s stock price increased by 2.84% to $235.60. This rise can be attributed to the strong performance in the mining segment and positive investor sentiment regarding the company’s strategic initiatives and strong cash flow. The stock has demonstrated remarkable momentum, with InvestingPro data showing a 71.23% return over the past six months. However, with a P/E ratio of 99.18, the stock appears to be trading above its Fair Value. Investors seeking deeper insights can access comprehensive valuation analysis and additional ProTips through InvestingPro’s detailed research reports.

Outlook & Guidance

Sandvik has revised its full-year capital expenditure guidance down to SEK 4.5 billion. The company anticipates a negative currency effect of SEK 800 million in Q3. However, it remains optimistic about a gradual improvement in market conditions and plans to continue focusing on strategic priorities.

Executive Commentary

CEO Stefan Nedding stated, "We believe this is a strong quarter despite the challenging macro environment," highlighting the company’s resilience. CFO Cecilia Felton added, "Price versus inflation was slightly accretive in the second quarter," indicating effective pricing strategies.

Risks and Challenges

• Potential negative currency effects in upcoming quarters.
• Weak performance in general engineering and automotive segments.
• Ongoing macroeconomic pressures and tariff impacts.
• Market saturation in certain regions.
• Inflationary pressures affecting cost structures.

Q&A

During the earnings call, analysts inquired about the strong mining order intake, driven by high commodity prices. Discussions also centered around the company’s shift to battery electric vehicles and its ability to manage inflationary pressures. Sandvik expressed confidence in navigating these challenges while maintaining stable development in the machining segment.

Full transcript - Sandvik AB (SAND) Q2 2025:

Louise Tschetter, Head of Investor Relations: A warm welcome to Samik’s presentation of the Second Quarter Results 2025. My name is Louise Tschetter, Head of Investor Relations. And of course, beside me, I have our CEO, Stefan Nedding and CFO, Cecilia Felton. We will, as we usually do, start with the presentation, present the quarterly highlights. And after that, we will move on to the Q and A session.

And with this short introduction, I will hand over to you, Stefan.

Stefan Nedding, CEO: Thank you, Luis. And also from me, welcome to the second quarter report of 2025. If we summarize the quarter, of course, we have to start with order intake, which is at an all time high level. We see a strong momentum in mining and also in Powder Solutions. We see a positive development in the software business, aerospace and some of the smaller segments, I’ll come back to that, while, of course, demand in general engineering, automotive and infrastructure continues to be soft.

Order intake was stable year on year, but organically, it grew by 10%. Total revenue decreased by 5%, but organically, it grew by 3%. We consider this to be a solid quarter from a profitability point of view, with an adjusted EBITDA of 5,600,000,000.0, corresponding to a margin of 19% versus 19.6% last year and a rolling 12 of SEK 19,400,000,000.0, which is the same as we had a year ago. And considering the significant currency headwinds and the fact that we have fully mitigated the tariffs in the quarter, we consider this to be a solid result. We also have savings from our restructuring programs with a positive bridge effect of over NOK200 million in the quarter.

Adjusted profit for the period was SEK3.7 billion versus SEK3.9 billion last year. And we had a strong cash flow of SEK5.1 billion versus SEK4.2 billion in the same period last year. We also continue to make progress in our strategic priority areas. We see strong revenue growth in the software business, in Surface Mining and in Parts and Services. We have booked, as you know, our largest battery electric vehicle order ever in the quarter.

And we have also continued to make acquisitions that is expanding our reach in faster growing segments. The innovation of the quarter that I want to highlight is Vericat Optimizer. This is a product that won Sandvik’s Sustainability Award in 2025. It’s a collaboration between Vericat, which is a business unit in intelligent manufacturing, and Siko Tools, which is a division within machining. And it’s a joint solution that increase our customer relevance and stickiness.

It’s a product that increases or optimizes the numerical control, or NC program, which is the program you run on the CNC machines to run the machining process. And it will help you to optimize the process in terms of efficiency and productivity. If you were at our Capital Markets Day, you saw this product being demonstrated live also during the factory tour. If we go through the market regions and segments, starting with the geographical perspective. Europe was down 4%.

And here, cutting tools was down low single digits. North America was up 32%, driven by a strong mining. Cutting tools was stable. Asia, down 5%. Cutting tools in China was down mid single digits in China.

However, here, I want to note that if we would include the Susho Anu acquisition, which is still reported in structure and also compensate for the workday effect in China, we were actually stable in China in the quarter. So it shows probably a better picture of the underlying market as well as showing that our premium local premium segment that we now have exposure to through Shusha Anu is growing at a higher pace than our traditional exposure that we’ve had in China. And then we have the remaining regions, which is primarily driven by mining all being positive. If we take a segment market segment perspective and start with mining, of course, as you have seen, a very strong momentum pretty much across the board, but I want to highlight specifically the strength in North America, Australia and South America in the period. General engineering continues to be weak.

It’s down mid single digits. Europe is down mid single, while North America and China are down low single digits. Infrastructure is also, let’s say, fairly subdued. The uptick we saw in North America in the beginning of the year has turned into a more flattish development. It’s a mixed picture, however, where demolition tools and attachment tools have a stronger development, while aggregates is still having a weaker demand picture.

Automotive, weak, down high single digits. Both Europe and North America, down high single digits. In Asia, we are also down. In China, we are down low double digits. But also here, if we would include Shoshana, we would be down mid single digits.

So they clearly have a stronger presence in the Chinese automotive supply chain. Aerospace, good momentum definitely, reported only up low single digits. Europe is down low single digits, but the underlying demand is strong. It’s a timing issue. So that’s why we still show it as positive here in this picture.

North America, up double digits. And here, we clearly see the impact of the main customer in North America coming back and ordering products again, which is very positive. Aerospace in China was down high single digits. Then the other segments are stable. Here, I want to highlight positive development in some of the segments, such as defense, rail, shipbuilding and consumer electronics, while more, let’s say, industrial traditional industrial segments such as machine tools and pumps were negative.

But overall, a stable development here. Europe, stable North America, up high single digits China, down mid single, but if we include Susho Anno, stable as well. Going down into order intake and revenues. And here, we have reported numbers. And there, despite the high organic order intake in the quarter, you see a flattish development because it’s offset then by currency in the reported numbers.

But of course, a very healthy book to bill of 108%. And our order backlog is actually now also at an all time high level, which, of course, is positive as we go forward. If we look at this from an organic perspective and structure but at fixed exchange rates, you can clearly see the momentum in the order intake. It’s actually the fifth quarter in a row now with positive organic order intake, but first time in a while that we have a double digit number there. Revenues, up 3%.

As I said, also here, a quite clear trend since Q1 of twenty twenty four, where it has gradually been improving and now turned clearly positive at the 3%. So good to see. Profitability. Margin of 19%, 5,600,000,000.0, down 8.5% versus last year. We consider this to be a resilient margin given that there are key segments that still have low volumes and we have significant currency headwinds.

Currency is diluting by 40 basis points. In the bridge, there are some additional currency impacts that we’ll come back to in the organic part of the bridge as well. And as I said on the rolling 12, we are flat versus a year ago at 19.4%. Going into the segments, starting with Mining. Very solid momentum.

We really see a broad based demand across the board with also record high order intake for the business area. The strong order intake growth is driven by Equipment divisions, which is up 50%, but also high single digits growth in parts and services. Also, the service business continues with very good progress. So total order intake increased by 5% at and organically at 18%. If we strip out the large orders, we still increased by 14%.

So of course, 2,100,000,000 in large orders is a lot this quarter, but we also had a very strong quarter last year. So it was fairly tough comps. But what this shows is also that it’s not only the big orders, also the small orders and midsized orders are coming in strongly right now. Margin of 20.3% versus 20.8%. On the low side, we believe, definitely because of a low leverage, driven by some currency effects in the organic bridge as well is reevaluation of unhedged balance sheet items.

You might have questions around that, but let’s come back to that in the Q and A. In that case, we can spend some more time on it. And then also on the European go live, that has caused under absorption in the quarter because of inability to deliver fully in one of the divisions. Tariffs fully offset in the quarter through, for example, pricing actions. Some savings in the quarter, 37,000,000.

Exchange rates actually accretive to the margin by 30 basis points because the impact on the top line is larger than the impact on the bottom line. If we add all of these things together, a little bit of a maybe strange picture, we’ll come back to the bridge if you have further questions on mining margin. Positive, of course, we are now also ramping up to meet the high demand from a production point of view. In the quarter, we opened up a new production line for surface drill rigs in Finland. And we have also launched a new auto mine surface fleet solution to further support our strategic focus to grow in surface mining.

And we already talked about the BEV order that we announced in April. Rock processing also see a solid momentum in mining, but infrastructure continues to be at a lower level. Total order intake decreased by 3%, but organically, it grew by 8%. And they also received two major orders in the quarter, totaling SEK145 million. Margin of 14.6%, down versus last year, where they were at SEK 15,100,000.0.

Here, they had good contribution from their savings but a very negative impact from exchange rates. So savings of SEK 15,000,000, but 100 basis points dilution from exchange rates. Also here, tariffs was fully offset in the quarter. We have launched an important innovation with a fully upgraded jaw crusher range in the quarter and, of course, also completed the acquisition of OSA demolition, which is strengthening our demolition and recycling offer. And then Machining and Intelligent Manufacturing.

Demand for cutting tools declined year on year at low single digits. We saw a strong development in Powder with double digit growth. Software orders increased low single digits. We had very tough compares with solid double digit growth last year on the order side. But software revenues continued to grow at high single digits.

Aerospace, as I mentioned, developed positively and then primarily driven by North America. Total order intake decreased by 7%. Organically, it declined barely by 1%. And then we continue to see a stable development into June in the first two weeks. We can also say here, if we look at the quarter two, we did see a stable development on the daily order intake throughout the quarter compared to Q1.

If you do the math, it’s slightly up by 1%. But from our point of view, the market has shown a stable development and continues to do so. And I think considering what we could fear in the April, I think this is still a solid development for the business in the quarter. Margin of 19.6%, good price execution and strong savings of SEK 153,000,000, but offset then by volume declines and the currency impact of that diluted the margin by 60 basis points. They also had structured diluting by 30 basis points.

Tariffs also here fully offset in the quarter with tariff surcharges. Also here, we have launched several important innovations. I mentioned one already in the quarter and, of course, completed the acquisition of Verisurf in intelligent manufacturing. And with that, I hand over to you, Cecilia.

Cecilia Felton, CFO: Thank you, Stefan. All right. So let’s dive into the numbers then in a bit more detail. And as usual, let’s start with the growth bridge on the right hand side here, where you can see that, as Stefan said, we had strong organic order intake growth of 10%, and revenues grew organically by 3%. Structure contributed positively with 1%, but you can also see the strong currency headwinds, minus 11% on order intake and minus 10% on revenues.

Adjusted EBITDA, EUR 5,600,000,000.0, corresponding to a margin of 19%. Net financial items came down year over year, and I will go through this in a bit more detail in a few minutes. Tax rate, excluding items affecting comparability and also on a normalized basis, at 23.5%, so in line with the guided range. Net working capital came down slightly compared to last year. This is calculated on a twelve month rolling basis to 29.6%.

We also had a good cash flow in the quarter, 5,100,000,000, corresponding to a cash conversion of 94%. ROCE improved year over year, while EPS came down driven by currency. If we then continue with the EBITA bridge, starting with the organic column, you can see that we had a low leverage of 15%. And here, we had good leverages both in machining and intelligent manufacturing and also in rock processing. But in mining, leverage was 12% impacted by the two items that Stefan mentioned earlier.

Currency then had a negative impact on top line of €3,100,000,000 minus $7.00 €2,000,000 on EBITDA, and that gave a dilution of 0.4 percentage points. Structure was slightly dilutive. And then all in all, that brings us from a margin of 19.6% last year to 19% this year. If we then continue down the P and L, looking at the finance net, you can see that it came down year over year, and this is mainly driven by the lower interest net. And that’s a result of a combination of both lower borrowed volumes but also lower yield cost, which you can see here at the bottom of the table.

Tax rate then on a reported basis, 23.6%. And you can see that items affecting comparability only had a small impact on the effective tax rate in the quarter. And the normalized tax rate was then in line within the guided range. Net working capital. If we start looking at the graph on the left here, you can see that it’s flattened out and now slowly, gradually starting to trend downwards.

And on the right, you can see that net working capital levels have come down for both mining and rock processing business areas. As I said, free operating cash flow was good in the quarter, EUR 5,100,000,000.0. And if you look at the table first, you can see that EBITDA adjusted for noncash was largely in line with last year’s levels. CapEx was a little bit lower, and we also had a smaller net working capital buildup this year compared to last year. And if you look at the trend line on the left, you can see that on a twelve month rolling basis, we are now at a cash conversion of 98%.

Financial net debt increased sequentially to 37,000,000,000, driven by the dividend payment that we had in the second quarter. And this also caused a seasonal uptick in financial net debt over EBITDA to 1.3. Capitalized leases increased slightly sequentially. The pension liability came down somewhat, which then resulted in a net debt of 45,000,000,000. Looking at net outcome versus guidance.

As I said, the currency impact was minus SEK $7.00 2,000,000 in the second quarter. And then if we look on a year to date basis, CapEx is now at $2,000,000,000 interest net at $500,000,000 and normalized tax rate at 23.7%. And looking ahead then at the third quarter and full year. Here, we expect a negative currency effect of 800,000,000 in the third quarter, and this is based on the currency rates on the June. For the full year guidance, we have revised CapEx downwards from the previously $5,000,000,000 to 4,500,000,000.0 and this is partly driven by currency but also lower anticipated spend in machining.

Then for the interest net and the tax rate, we have left guidance unchanged. And with that, I will hand back over to you, Stefan.

Stefan Nedding, CEO: Thank you. Let’s do a conclusion. Again, we believe this is a strong quarter despite the challenging macro environment that we’re operating in. We see a strong demand in several of our key segments and also some signs of bottoming out in the weaker ones. We believe we have executed a swift response to the current tariffs that are in effect and being able to fully offset them in the quarter.

It’s a good profit margin considering the volume challenges in the weaker segments and the currency headwinds that we are experiencing and then also strong cash flow, as you have seen. We continue also executing on our strategy. We have introduced a new important solution with automined surface fleet. We have strengthened our position in software through the Verisoft acquisition, and we have won the largest battery electric fleet order to date. I think we have proven our ability to deliver through challenging periods.

It is a lot of uncertainty also going forward with, let’s say, daily announcements around potential new tariffs. We will, of course, continue to take mitigating actions to limit the impact of any new tariffs if and when it happens. But we have a solid platform to execute from. We have strong capabilities. And again, I think we have proven that we can deliver also through challenging times.

Thank you.

Louise Tschetter, Head of Investor Relations: Right. Thank you, Stefan and Cecilia. It’s now time for the Q and A session. So operator, we can take the first question, please.

Operator: We’ll now begin the question and answer session. The first question comes from Sina Chitriya from JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Sina Chitriya, Analyst, JPMorgan: Hello. Thank you for taking my questions. I’ve got three, please. So firstly, on the mining order intake. I mean, clearly, it was very strong and has been more than €16,000,000,000 now for two quarters excluding the large orders.

How should we think about this underlying development into H2? That’s my first one.

Stefan Nedding, CEO: Yes. I mean, the reason why the order intake is strong, it’s driven by high commodity prices. We can see gold and copper customers clearly investing into capacity and to maintain production levels or increase them if possible. We also have a record old fleet still, which, of course, is also something that supports demand. And we are making good strategic progress, as we said, in on the surface.

So from our point of view, this is an underlying strong demand. And as long as commodity prices stay where they are, we see no reason for why the demand picture will not continue to be strong. Larger orders can, of course, come and go a little bit between the quarters. But underlying strong demand, very healthy pipeline, that’s how we see things going forward.

Sina Chitriya, Analyst, JPMorgan: Thank you. Very clear. And then secondly, on the large South32 order, I mean, it seemed like in 2024, the demand was a bit more muted on battery electric vehicles. Do you expect to pick up into 2025 and beyond?

Stefan Nedding, CEO: Difficult question to answer, actually. I mean we had, let’s say, a boost in ’22, 2023 with over 10% of order intake in load and haul being BVs. Now we are back to sort of high single digits. 2024 was less than that. I don’t think we will come back to sort of the boom we saw in 2022, 2023.

I think we will see a gradual increase going forward. We definitely see interest. I met one of our key customers in Mexico just a few weeks ago. They went with BVs. They see the benefits.

They are saying for our expansions, we’ll continue with BVs. We’re not going back to diesel. There are many customers that have not seen that light yet. And there are, of course, still challenges with the total cost of ownership or mining infrastructure in many mines. Think this was a good sign in that the trend is still there, but I think we will see a slower and more gradual shift than we thought a few years ago.

Sina Chitriya, Analyst, JPMorgan: And then my final question is on the machining side. I mean, an order development of only 1% negative 1% is a pretty good result given all the uncertainty in the market. And obviously, now we’ve got PMIs, which indicate maybe perhaps more positive outlook. I guess my question is how what are you seeing in your conversations with customers? Is this something that’s being reflected with regards to sentiment?

Stefan Nedding, CEO: I should have said no. But let me, let’s say, qualify that answer. I mean, on the one hand side, we have seen a stable development now in Q1, in Q2 despite all the uncertainty, and I think that’s a positive. I agree, we are seeing PMIs sort of inching upwards. And in most regions, they are just below 50%.

So it’s sort of close to a tipping point, turning positive. And that these those two are the positives. But on the other hand, we have the uncertainty around tariffs going forward, what will happen causing, let’s say, question marks on the investment side. So these are the two sides of this. So as I say as well, I think we see some signs of bottoming out in some of these segments that have been weak.

But there is still a cloud related to the tariffs, and I think that we also hear from customers. I think for things to really be able to turn positively, we need to have a resolution. We need to know what the trade conditions will be between the major trading regions at least so we can make investments and sort of look to the future.

Cecilia Felton, CFO: I think in terms of the year over year development, we are we will now start to face easier comparables Yes, during

Louise Tschetter, Head of Investor Relations: the second half of the

Stefan Nedding, CEO: absolutely. So that, of course, is a positive. But from a sequential point of view, as we said, so far, we see more of a stable development than anything.

Sina Chitriya, Analyst, JPMorgan: Thank you very much.

Stefan Nedding, CEO: Thank you.

Operator: The next question comes from Michael Harlocks, Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Michael Harlocks, Analyst, Morgan Stanley: Hello. Thank you for the presentation and thank you for taking questions. The first one would be on your aftermarket orders. Should we consider that this quarter’s growth rate is a reflection of the underlying demand? Or are there other factors that we should consider?

And then on the margins of the Mining business, would it be possible for you to give us an indication of what they would have been excluding the ERP costs and revaluations and what we should take into account for the rest of the year? Yes,

Stefan Nedding, CEO: I can start with the first one. On the orders for aftermarket, I would say, if we look at parts and services, which is a subset of what we say is aftermarket, we see it is reflective of underlying demand. It is reflective of a larger fleet, a fleet that is being utilized to the maximum, a relatively old fleet and customers that want to focus on getting the maximum outcome out of their production. And I could say also some other good things that they have done in the division to be sort of a good partner to our customers. So I think that’s really reflective of the underlying market.

Then on the if you take the total aftermarket, which also includes consumables such as rock tools and ground support, here, we have a negative impact from in the rock tools division coming from this ERP go live. This ERP go live caused some issues in delivery in the quarter, which led to under absorption, which is what we highlighted in the margin comment, but it actually also had a negative impact on their invoicing. Yes, so that’s where we are.

Cecilia Felton, CFO: Yes. And on the margin side, as I mentioned, Mining had a leverage of 12%. And their normal leverage would be at around 30%. And the delta between these two are those two items. So it’s the under absorption coming from the ERP go live and then also the currency impact from revaluation of unhedged receivables and payables.

And I think on the ERP side, we are still we have still not resolved all issues at the end of the second quarter, so we might see part of an impact also into the third quarter in that division. On the balance sheet revaluations, there on the mining equipment, we are hedging. We can be very precise. We can hedge each order separately. But for high volume businesses like parts and services, we cannot hedge every single transaction.

Instead, we need to base our hedging on forecasts. And even though we have very big volumes and we are quite good at the forecast, so the percentage that is exposed is quite small, we can still have an effect like we did in this quarter because we had very significant currency swings. So even exposure is small with such big currency movements, we still got a hit. But in terms of size, it’s a difference between a normalized leverage around 30% and the 12% where we ended up.

Operator: The next question comes from Claus Berglund, Citi. Please go ahead.

Claus Berglund, Analyst, Citi: Hi, Stefan and Cecilia, Claus of Citi. So my first one is on Machining and Intelligent Manufacturing and the cutting tool volumes looking at orders. Cutting tools down low single digit, Powder adding a bit more than 1% against a tough comp and then software up low single digit also against a tough comp when I back out the growth drivers. On the cutting tools down low single digit, that would imply that volumes accelerated a bit quarter on quarter, at least on my math. What’s there in the front loading here, CF, ahead of likely accelerating surcharges?

We’ve seen that cutting tool volumes can move ahead of potential price increases. We’ve seen that in the past. So I’m keen to understand if that happened this time as well. Sure.

Stefan Nedding, CEO: You were late this time, Klaus. You’re usually first. Were you sleeping at the phone or I don’t know. You’re in vacation mode Maybe. As I said, you asked about an acceleration.

As I said, if you look at it quarter over quarter, Q1 to Q2, on the daily order pace, it’s actually up 1%. We would say stable on that in that sort of plusminus 1% can be, let’s call it, natural variations. So we are not reading an acceleration into it even if, of course, we are happy that it was slightly better. We have not seen any sort of prebuy acceleration in order intake and so on. We the price increases in machining, sort of the letter went out April, price increases happened early May.

So what we have done to try to avoid this is to actually have a very short period from announcement implementation. And we could not really see any pattern like that in the business.

Claus Berglund, Analyst, Citi: Okay. And then on the okay, well, that’s good to hear. On the cost inflation from tariffs, you managed obviously to offset it, as you said that you would in the previous quarter’s call. But how do you feel about price versus cost you’re looking at the third quarter? Those that have reported in The U.

S. So far have talked about the impact being more felt in the third quarter as the higher inventory is moving through with a lag, I. E, higher cost inventory. I’m wondering if you also feel confident that this can be fully offset when you look at the third quarter still from, particularly for Machining Solutions.

Cecilia Felton, CFO: I mean, overall, as you know, we are continuously working with price. For machining, price versus inflation was slightly accretive in this quarter, and this is due to the timing of when we make the price increases versus when the inflationary pressure comes. So we are continuously working with this. And if needed, we will continue to work with price also in a more agile way going forward.

Stefan Nedding, CEO: Yes. So to be very clear, we don’t expect any negative impact in Q3 because there’s always also a natural even if you with many customers can raise prices quickly, there are also bigger customers. There is some lag also coming through the price component, so to say. So I understand the dynamic you’re talking about. We don’t expect that to have a negative impact in Q3.

Claus Berglund, Analyst, Citi: Okay. My final one, and I promise to be quick, is on the Powder side and particularly Tungsten. I think that’s nearly 80% of your 5% to 10% volume impact from Powder. You had a very tough comp last quarter, but I still get this to be up around 30%, 40% in the quarter, adding about 1% to your growth. Comp is getting easier.

The restriction seems to still be in place. So number one question is, can this accelerate sort of further and add to growth in the second half? And then number two, on the margin, You obviously had some framework agreements here, so you don’t get the margin benefit through immediately. But I’m just wondering whether this can be supporting the margin as we go through the rest of the year as well. On

Stefan Nedding, CEO: Powder volumes, it’s difficult to speculate what in terms of what the orders will be going forward. We definitely see high demand, both in terms of volume demand, but also, of course, ATP prices have increased, so we also get the price component. And but again, I don’t want to speculate what happens going forward. I think there should definitely be a positive demand environment. What the numbers will end up being, I don’t dare really saying.

One thing to be aware of is that, of course, regardless of the demand picture, we also have constraints in our supply. There’s a certain amount we can take out of the mine. We have other supply agreements with other mines. We have the scrap that we buy. But what we are also seeing is that competition for scrap is heating up with sort of scrap dealers trying to cut in between.

And now and of course, then just the general production capacity. So of course, the order intake will also be limited by how much we can produce and our capacity. But overall, positive for sure. But I don’t know if you want to say anything about the margin part.

Cecilia Felton, CFO: On the margin, I mean, I can just say that the Powder business is, of course, dilutive to the total margin for machining. And even though we can see some strengthening in the Powder business margin, As for the reasons that Stefan mentioned, it will also mean higher raw material costs for the cutting tools division. So it’s a positive in one end and a negative in another end as not all material is sourced internally from our own mine.

Claus Berglund, Analyst, Citi: Exactly. Thank you very much.

Stefan Nedding, CEO: It’s a complicated picture, Foss, on that one.

Louise Tschetter, Head of Investor Relations: Right. We can take the next question.

Operator: The next question comes from Andreas Koski, BNP Paribas. Please go ahead.

Andreas Koski, Analyst, BNP Paribas: Thank you and good afternoon. On tariffs, can you give some sort of indication of how large price increases were necessary to offset the tariffs in Q2, both for the group and MIM, Manufacturing Intelligent Manufacturing? And what the corresponding number would be in Q3? Because I presume the tariff headwinds will accelerate quite strongly in the coming quarters. And do you expect to fully offset tariffs also in the coming quarters?

Cecilia Felton, CFO: Yes. Shall I

Louise Tschetter, Head of Investor Relations: You can start.

Cecilia Felton, CFO: I can start. You can add if you want to. So for machining, if you look at top line development, tariffs had a year over year impact of 0.6% in terms of growth. For the other business area, it was not really material, so a smaller impact on the group. In terms of the level of the price increase, we not more specific than that, but we’re largely in line with our main competitors.

Stefan Nedding, CEO: Yes. And as we said before, we don’t expect this to turn into more of a headwind going forward unless the tariffs change, of course. But because we have done the price increases we need to do, then there’s always a little bit of lag in implementation, and that will also come in handy in terms of if there are, as mentioned before, inventories costs that are going up a little bit. So we have tried to do this in a way that we have to do it once and then we should be done with it. And provided there are no more tariffs or material tariffs impacting us, we consider this to have been handled.

Andreas Koski, Analyst, BNP Paribas: Understood. That’s great. And then just one question on the cutting tools business. You are saying that the daily orders increased by 1%, and I understand that, that falls within the normal volatility between the quarters. But can you talk a bit about what you’ve seen in Europe and especially Germany?

Because if I look at German industrial orders, they are now growing again for the first time since 2022. And on a three month rolling basis, they are up by 5% year over year. And if I look at SMS or SMS organic growth in the past, we’ve seen quite a good correlation between German industrial orders and the organic growth for SMS. So just if you can comment a bit what you are seeing in Europe and especially Germany. Yes.

Stefan Nedding, CEO: I don’t think we can say we have seen any, let’s say, specific impact in Germany in the quarter from a volume point of view. We are seeing, though, coming back to PMIs, that Germany is improving definitely from coming from very, very depressive levels now being very close to the 50% level. I think this what is it called, this cycle they have I forgot the name now is still showing, though, that they are not in expansion mode yet either. Orders, of course, is the starting point, and then that will lead to business. So yes, this is also, of course, what we are a little bit referring to when we say that there are some signs that things are bottoming out even though we’re not there yet.

So no impact in the quarter, but that’s definitely a positive sign, as you say.

Andreas Koski, Analyst, BNP Paribas: The

Operator: next question comes from Edward Jussi, UBS. Please go ahead.

Edward Jussi, Analyst, UBS: Hi, thanks for taking my question. Just going back to the Powder business, was just wondering if you could perhaps give a bit more color in terms of the split between volumes and price in the order intake.

Stefan Nedding, CEO: Did we talk about the Powder business, Yes.

Edward Jussi, Analyst, UBS: In the Powder business,

Louise Tschetter, Head of Investor Relations: yes. In and price.

Stefan Nedding, CEO: Yes, okay. We haven’t been specific about that. So what we can just say that both are contributing, let’s say, very positively, but we haven’t given the exact split. On the price, can, of course I mean, the ATP notations are, of course, public information. So and that’s a very good indication of price on the Powder side.

Edward Jussi, Analyst, UBS: Okay. That’s very helpful. Thank you. And then just quickly on the metal cutting side. In terms of pricing, my understanding was last year, you sort of had maybe pricing in the 4% to 5% region.

You’re talking about covering cost inflation, and that was what you’re sort of penciling in for cost inflation for the year. If you look at pricing quarter on quarter, has it sort of got worse? Or has it got better in underlying metal cutting?

Stefan Nedding, CEO: You’re referring to price realization or what is your

Edward Jussi, Analyst, UBS: Yes, exactly price realization because I’m trying to sort of back out volume growth within metal cutting and just trying to get a bit more color around that, if that’s okay.

Stefan Nedding, CEO: If you want to?

Cecilia Felton, CFO: I think the best indication that I can give is that over the last two quarters, we have continued to mitigate price or inflation with price. This year this quarter now, we’re slightly ahead, so it’s slightly accretive to the margin. It’s difficult to be more specific than that.

Stefan Nedding, CEO: Yes. No, exactly. For competitive reasons, we don’t want to be more specific than that.

Edward Jussi, Analyst, UBS: Okay. That’s very helpful. Thank you.

Operator: The next question comes from James Moore, Rothschild and Co. Please go ahead.

James Moore, Analyst, Rothschild and Co: Yes. Hi, everyone. Thank you for the time. I’ve got three quick ones, if I could. The first is really just coming back to the machining price, the letter in April and acting it in May.

Just trying to understand whether in machining price cost was neutral in the second quarter. And as we look at the third quarter compared to the second quarter, do you think those incremental actions could be actually accretive Q on Q or just neutral Q on Q? That’s really the first question. Maybe one at a time?

Cecilia Felton, CFO: Yes. Price versus inflation was slightly accretive in the second quarter. So we’re slightly ahead with the price increases versus how we expect inflation to trend. Because, of course, when we do the price increases in the beginning of the year and also when we looked at the tariffs, we try to, of course, to anticipate what inflationary pressure will be like. In terms of future price increases, we cannot give any specifics, more that for all of our divisions and business areas, we’re, of course, continuously monitoring if we need to do any additional price increases going forward.

James Moore, Analyst, Rothschild and Co: I was just more referring to a full three months as opposed to one point five months of the prices that you’ve enacted versus the baseline of current inflation and tariff levels, whether it was incrementally positive?

Cecilia Felton, CFO: All right. Yes, in that sense, of course, we will get a bigger impact from the tariff surcharge if you just look at the upside in the third quarter. But there is also, as some of you mentioned in your questions, also anticipated inflationary pressure coming. So we’re not anticipating this to be an additional upside per se. There are also other moving parts, I think, offsetting this.

James Moore, Analyst, Rothschild and Co: Thanks. And on mining aftermarket, I understand rock tools are in with the classic spares and other service businesses. Would it be possible to sort of break it out a little bit? Is the underlying spares and service business continuing at them on an order level at the more normal organic high single digit level? And is it that all of the delta between that and plus three is rock tools?

So I don’t know, rock tools minus 20%, 30% due to the ERP system? Or is there also some underlying slowing in the rate of year on year growth for the underlying spares and service business?

Stefan Nedding, CEO: The parts and services continues at high single digit growth. Then you have rock tools, which is more adverse then. And then you also have ground support, which is growing but at a lower rate than parts and services. So those are the three components.

James Moore, Analyst, Rothschild and Co: Really helpful. And just finally, if I could try, on the revaluation on the un unhedged balance sheet items and the ERP go live impact, if I was to take the difference between 12% and a 30% drop through, would feel like a couple of 100,000,000 of impact from those two items. I wanted to check that, that was fair for the rough magnitude of it. And would it be fair to say that they’re kind of half half? Or is one of them the dominant impact?

Cecilia Felton, CFO: I would say it turns out to be a little bit less than what you calculated. In terms of impact, I would say it’s roughly half half between the two.

James Moore, Analyst, Rothschild and Co: Very kind of it. Thank you very much. Have a great summer.

Louise Tschetter, Head of Investor Relations: Thank you. Thank you.

Stefan Nedding, CEO: Yes. Don’t implement a new ERP. It’s expensive.

Louise Tschetter, Head of Investor Relations: All right. Do we have more questions online?

Operator: Yes. The next question comes from Sverin Gustaf, Handelsbank. Can

Stefan Nedding, CEO0: I ask another one on the equipment demand for Mining Stealth Fund? Your comment that you now need to ramp up manufacturing capabilities. I can’t remember us talking about this in recent quarters, but we’re also seeing very healthy order levels. Is this a comment that we should read anything into? Is it just a reflection of the backlog you’re sitting on and keeping normal lead times?

Or are you actually more confident now in this strong pipeline converting into firm orders?

Stefan Nedding, CEO: It’s of course, it’s, let’s say, an assessment of the complete picture that we have to do. And when we do that, we are now sitting with a record high order backlog. We have lead times that in some products are getting close to the pain point for customers. And at that point, we risk losing orders if we cannot deliver in time. And of course, if we saw this as a very temporary, we got a couple of major orders, that would not be a problem.

But as I said, we see underlying demand on both smaller and midsized orders being strong. We see healthy pipeline for also some larger deals. And on top of that, we know that our equipment is the fleet is aging. So if we put this all together, we do see a need to increase production capacity to be able to meet the demand that we expect. And of course, that’s always a risk you take, especially in today’s world.

But to preserve, let’s say, our position with our customers, we feel this is the right thing to do. We have, of course, as you know, a new Lauran Hall factory in Malaysia. That comes in very handy from a timing point of view. We have, as I said, expanded production capacity in temporary, hired over 100 or several 100 new people. So of course, this is a sign on that we have a belief in that the backlog will stay strong.

Stefan Nedding, CEO0: Okay. Thank you.

Louise Tschetter, Head of Investor Relations: Thank you.

Operator: The next question comes from Kim Jong, Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Stefan Nedding, CEO1: Hi. Can you hear me?

Sina Chitriya, Analyst, JPMorgan: Yes.

Claus Berglund, Analyst, Citi: Okay.

Stefan Nedding, CEO1: Brilliant. I’m wondering if you could just comment on price cost or price receptivity on consumables, whether the tariff led price increases have been accepted by larger miners?

Stefan Nedding, CEO: Consumables, you mean what sorry, what do you refer to when you say that?

Stefan Nedding, CEO1: Parts and service, wear items.

Stefan Nedding, CEO: Okay, okay.

Stefan Nedding, CEO1: What I think you generally tool into aftermarket put into aftermarket.

Stefan Nedding, CEO: Yes. I can take that one. And the answer is yes. Of course, there’s always discussion with customers. But we typically, in our for example, with major customers, global framework agreements, we have currency clauses.

Parts and services have currency clauses. And the same is also now with tariffs. We did as this was not entirely unexpected already last year, we made sure to review contracts and commercial agreements to make sure we have also tariff clauses in the contracts. They are not everywhere, but a big part of them have that and which makes it sort of more automatic. And then some additional conversations with customers as well, it has been accepted.

Stefan Nedding, CEO1: Great. And in terms of the guidance given at the CMD about operational leverage in Mining of, I think, 30%, does that incorporate the increased level of investment and spend that you’re having to put into the business right

Stefan Nedding, CEO: Yes. I mean, that’s yes. I mean, it’s part of growing. The leverage, of course, assumes growth. And in the growth, we assume a certain investment to expand capacity as well.

There might, of course, in certain periods be, let’s call it, step changes. For example, the new load and haul factory in Malaysia, when we that went live, it put some pressure on or it was a little bit dilutive to margins until it’s been ramping up. So in that sense, it can impact leverage short term, but that’s behind us now. And the things we’re talking about now in terms of additional production lines and so on, They are there because we need them, so they go sort of fully into they have a very positive return immediately, so to say, since have already sold the products they are producing.

Stefan Nedding, CEO1: Great. And just a quick follow on. Are there any more step changes this fiscal year in the cost?

Cecilia Felton, CFO: Nothing material planned, no, in terms of site investments or new sites coming along, no. We’re more working with ramping up production in existing production facilities.

Stefan Nedding, CEO: And if it was, you would have seen it in the CapEx guidance. But as you saw, we rather took down that.

Stefan Nedding, CEO2: Okay. Good stuff. Thank you.

Stefan Nedding, CEO: Thank you.

Operator: The next question comes from Sebastian Kuni from Royal Bank of Canada. Please go ahead.

Stefan Nedding, CEO2: Yes. Hi. Thank you for taking my questions. I would like to understand a bit better the dynamics in the order intake in Mining. So you speak of minus 13% currency impact.

At the same time, you say that prices are fully adjusting. And you then report plus 18% order growth organic. Simplified, could I now assume that, okay, you pass that 13% currency impact on to your customers for any new contract and that out of the 18 growth, you have basically a 13% currency and then yes, 5% volume. Is that the right approach? Is that do these price adjustments happen so quickly?

Or do I make a mistake here? Not

Cecilia Felton, CFO: on the currency side. So there, we have some it takes we have a little bit of a lag in terms of implementation. So I would say the currency impact that we saw in the second quarter is largely unmitigated in this quarter. It takes a little bit longer than two, three months to implement the price changes.

Stefan Nedding, CEO: And then also, you have to it’s a different dynamic between top line and margin here. On the top line, it’s not something we, in general, mitigate. I mean if we sell a machine for $1,000,000 last year or this year, it’s the same. And then when we bring it back to SEK, we might get, as we see now, like a 13% negative impact. But it’s not that we can raise the price in dollars because of that.

We will do things like that to mitigate the margin impact, but not the top line impact. That’s also a lot of a translational impact versus a transactional impact. So I didn’t quite follow your math there. But the way to see it, the plus 18% organic order intake, that, of course, has a certain price component, but it’s primarily volume.

Stefan Nedding, CEO2: Yes. So you would mitigate the margin only. I understand. And then if we look at the volume change in the order intake in Mining, you briefly indicated we have an aging fleet, and we have high copper and gold prices. If you had to put ratios between the two, how much is now starting replacement of that fleet that was put in place between 02/2011 in the big cycle?

And how much is really expansion of brownfield, greenfield?

Stefan Nedding, CEO: So in Q2, we had 50% brownfield, 25% greenfield and 25% replacements. Greenfields this quarter was higher than it’s been for a number of quarters. It’s typically been more around 15% and then that being evenly distributed between brownfield and replacements. But we had, for example, the South 32 order this quarter, which this was a big greenfield order that is driving up greenfield. But that’s the split.

It’s been otherwise more 5515%, 30%, something like that.

Stefan Nedding, CEO2: Yes. That means the fleet is still aging in a way?

Stefan Nedding, CEO: Yes. We have not done any material, let’s say, progress in making this fleet younger, that’s for sure, which is, of course, also why we see on top of the general demand picture, this is also a little, let’s say, a buffer for us, which makes us more confident in going forward, which is also why we are more we are ready to make this capacity increases now.

Stefan Nedding, CEO2: Okay. Excellent. Final brief question. In your guidance for the FX impact, this is for the transactions, right? This is the DKK 800,000,000 that would impact EBIT from your revenues.

The balance sheet adjustments for receivables would come on top. Is that correct?

Cecilia Felton, CFO: Yes. So in the guidance, we have transaction and translation impact only. Revaluations of balance sheet items, we treat them as organic also in our leverage bridge, and that is because we want internally the organization to always work with optimizing their hedging. So we treat that part of currency as organic development in our follow-up. So it’s excluding that.

Stefan Nedding, CEO: Okay. And normally, it should be around Yes. Three, just to be

Stefan Nedding, CEO2: Exactly. And it should be a one off, right? It should not recur like the revenue impact. Yes, yes.

Cecilia Felton, CFO: Understood.

Stefan Nedding, CEO2: Thank you so much.

Louise Tschetter, Head of Investor Relations: Thank you.

Stefan Nedding, CEO2: Appreciate it.

Louise Tschetter, Head of Investor Relations: Okay. We can take one more question. Operator, please?

Operator: The next question comes from Tore Fangmann, Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Stefan Nedding, CEO3: Perfect. Thank you for squeezing me in. Just one follow-up from my side to John’s question regarding your discussion on tariffs with customers. I appreciate you said you consider it is a one and done as of now. But could you tell us how difficult your surcharge discussions with your customers were?

And would you see this difficulty changing materially if we get into a higher, for example, a 50% tariff environment? Or are your customers very, let’s call it, receptive when it comes to this? No.

Stefan Nedding, CEO: I mean, I’ve never met a customer yet that is receptive to a price increase. But let’s say there is a and it is tough discussions, let’s be very clear on that. At the same time, there is some level of understanding for that this is basic I mean, is a tax And 10%, that’s half our EBIT. There’s, of course, no way we will accept that, that ends up in our P and L. And if we have to accept lower volumes, then we will have to accept lower volumes.

That’s not been the case. There are a few, I will say, isolated areas where, for example, dealers have said, I’m going to I have inventory already. I’m going to pause ordering new things until I know what the long term future is in the hope that tariffs will go away, of course, having the risk that they will go up further instead. So it’s very tough discussions for sure. But at the end of the day, for us, this is not an option.

If they don’t want to buy from us, they can buy from someone else. But on the other hand, what we’re seeing in the industry is that all peers, competitors, everyone is more or less doing exactly the same thing. So there is not so much options either from a customer point of view. Of course, the higher the tariff, the more difficult the conversation. So cannot speculate on that.

But on the other hand, the higher the tariff, the more you just have to do it, right? A 30% or a 50% tariff is in it’s impossible to digest. So you have the option of raising the prices or stop doing business, and then it’s better to raise the prices. Longer term, we can, of course, do things like moving production and so on. But in the current environment where things are being announced every day and then taken back three days later and so on, with this uncertainty, you’re not making any investments at all.

So things have to settle, then we can decide on the long term strategy. Meanwhile, you have to resort to quick, shorter term actions such as price increases. That’s the only way you can deal with it.

Louise Tschetter, Head of Investor Relations: Questions, of course. And before we end the webcast, we want to wish you a very nice summer. Thank

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