Earnings call transcript: Trinity Capital Q1 2025 misses earnings expectations

Trinity Capital (TRIN) reported its Q1 2025 earnings, revealing a miss on both earnings per share (EPS) and revenue forecasts. The company posted an EPS of $0.43, falling short of the expected $0.52, and revenue of $65.4 million, below the forecasted $67.46 million. Despite the miss, InvestingPro data shows the stock maintains an attractive P/E ratio of 6.42 and offers a substantial 14.47% dividend yield. The stock reacted with a modest decline of 0.99%, closing at $13.96, amid a broader market environment of economic uncertainty.

Key Takeaways

• Trinity Capital missed Q1 2025 EPS and revenue forecasts.
• Total investment income increased by 30% year-over-year.
• The company received a Moody’s investment-grade rating.
• Net Asset Value per share decreased from $13.35 to $13.05.
• The stock price fell 0.99% following the earnings release.

Company Performance

Trinity Capital demonstrated robust year-over-year growth in total investment income, up 30% to $65 million. Despite this, the company faced challenges, missing analyst expectations for both EPS and revenue. The decrease in NAV per share to $13.05 from $13.35 suggests some pressure on asset valuations. However, the company maintained a strong net investment income that covered 102% of its quarterly distribution, underscoring its operational efficiency.

Financial Highlights

• Revenue: $65.4 million, up 30% year-over-year.
• Earnings per share: $0.43, missing the forecast of $0.52.
• Net investment income: $32.4 million ($0.52 per share).
• Return on Average Equity (ROAE): 15.5%.
• Return on Average Assets (ROAA): 7.1%.
• Net Asset Value (NAV): $833 million, up from $823 million.

Earnings vs. Forecast

Trinity Capital’s Q1 2025 results fell short of expectations, with EPS at $0.43 compared to a forecast of $0.52, a miss of approximately 17%. Revenue also missed, coming in at $65.4 million against a forecast of $67.46 million, a shortfall of $2.06 million. These results contrast with the company’s previous quarters where it had met or exceeded expectations.

Market Reaction

Following the earnings announcement, Trinity Capital’s stock price decreased by 0.99%, closing at $13.96. With a beta of 0.65 according to InvestingPro, the stock demonstrates lower volatility compared to the broader market. This decline reflects investor concerns over the earnings miss but is mitigated by positive operational indicators such as the increase in total investment income and the newly acquired investment-grade rating from Moody’s.

Outlook & Guidance

Trinity Capital remains focused on portfolio management amid economic uncertainty. The company plans to expand its managed account business and explore opportunities in U.S. manufacturing. Despite the current challenges, Trinity Capital aims to grow its earnings and dividends while maintaining a conservative underwriting approach.

Executive Commentary

CEO Kyle Brown emphasized resilience in challenging market conditions, stating, "We are building an asset management business that is resilient even during the ebbs and flows of the market." He also highlighted the company’s commitment to covering and increasing its dividend coverage over time.

Risks and Challenges

• Potential impact of macroeconomic conditions on portfolio yield.
• Decreased commitments due to economic uncertainty.
• Limited exposure to tariffs but monitoring potential impacts.
• Maintaining dividend stability amid financial pressures.
• Navigating a competitive market environment with diverse industry exposures.

Q&A

During the earnings call, analysts focused on the impact of potential rate cuts on portfolio yield and the company’s strategy to manage reduced commitments. Trinity Capital confirmed strong credit quality and limited exposure to tariffs, assuring investors of its dividend stability and potential for future special dividends.

Full transcript - Trinity Capital Inc (TRIN) Q1 2025:

Katie, Conference Operator: Good morning.

My name is Katie, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to Trinity Capital’s First Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Conference Call. All participants have been placed in a listen only mode and the floor will be opened for questions following the presentation. It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to Ben Malcolmson, Head of Investor Relations for Trinity Capital.

Ben Malcolmson, Head of Investor Relations, Trinity Capital: Thank you, and welcome to Trinity Capital’s earnings conference call for the first quarter of twenty twenty five. Today, our speakers are Kyle Brown, Chief Executive Officer Michael Testa, Chief Financial Officer and Jerry Harter, Chief Operating Officer. Also joining us for the Q and A portion of the call are Ron Cundich, Chief Credit Officer and Sarah Stanton, General Counsel and Chief Compliance Officer. Trinity Capital’s financial results were released earlier today and can be accessed on our Investor Relations website at ir.trinitycapital.com. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that certain statements made during this call may be deemed forward looking statements under federal securities laws.

Because forward looking statements involve known and unknown risks and uncertainties, We encourage you to refer to our most recent SEC filings for information on certain risk factors. Now, please allow me to turn the call over to the CEO of Trinity Capital, Kyle Brown.

Kyle Brown, Chief Executive Officer, Trinity Capital: Thank you, Ned, and thanks everyone for joining us today. Before addressing the macro environment, we wanted to share some quick highlights from a solid Q1 for Trinity Capital. We delivered $32,400,000 of net investment income, a 29% increase versus Q1 of last year. Our net asset value grew to a record $833,000,000 Platform AUM increased to more than $2,100,000,000 Our credit quality remains strong with non accruals staying consistent and representing less than 1% of the portfolio at fair value. And Trinity paid a first quarter cash dividend of $0.51 per share, representing our twenty first consecutive quarter of a consistent or increased regular dividend.

Before we dive deeper into Q1 performance, we do want to address macroeconomic conditions that are currently at play. We’ve been closely monitoring the recent tariff announcements and have been in discussions with all of our portfolio companies to determine the potential impact on their operational performance. Credit quality is of the utmost importance to us, particularly during periods of market volatility. The portfolio management team is actively engaged with every single one of our portfolio companies to analyze the effects of tariffs, quantify the potential impact across our all risk factors and safeguard the health of our investments. An overwhelming majority of our portfolio companies are domestically headquartered and have very limited exposure to imported goods or international sales.

: As such,

Kyle Brown, Chief Executive Officer, Trinity Capital: most do not expect a near term impact operations as a direct result of tariffs imposed by The United States or other countries. Jerry will address the portfolio in greater detail during his portion of the call. Every investment dollar matters to us and we have demonstrated in previous periods of market uncertainty that we are committed to finding positive outcomes for our partners and most importantly our shareholders. In terms of debt servicing, during this volatile time, almost all of our companies are privately funded by venture capital firms or private equity groups that have dry powder. Additionally, we have not seen an unusual uptick in requests for amendments or delayed payments.

Times of volatility can create opportunities as well. As we experienced during the COVID years, when we were able to turn macro trials into great pathways of growth for us, we see this as a moment in time to be thoughtfully opportunistic as well. The top of our funnel is expanding and our underwriting process remains strict as we continue to mature as a best in class direct lender to growth oriented businesses. We are building an asset management business that is resilient even during the ebbs and flows of the market. Our five complementary business verticals, sponsor finance, equipment finance, tech lending, asset backed lending, and life sciences position us to have a diversified portfolio that can be durable regardless of macro conditions.

As we continue to expand into the future, we want to emphasize the internally managed structure that we operate under. As an internally managed BDC, our employees, management, the board, we all own the same shares as our investors. This structure creates great alignment with our shareholders as we strive to deliver growing returns for our investors. Additionally, all the fees and incentives that come with being an asset manager under the RIA that we flow to our shareholders, which drives more income, increases our valuation, and grows the platform. All along, we have said that we’re going to out earn the dividend and grow the BDC, and we continue to do just that.

This continued growth is possible for a few reasons. We are positioned well in the private credit space, focused on late stage VC into the lower middle market. With regard to our capitalization, we are building a foundation for a managed account business, offering high net worth and institutional investors access to our growing direct lending business, which offers Trinity Capital new income streams. From a talent attraction and retention standpoint, we are hyper focused on culture, attracting the best people in the industry as we continue this growth trajectory. Underpinning our culture are six pillars, humility, trust, integrity, uncommon care, continuous learning, and an entrepreneurial spirit.

And three core principles are foundational to us. Exhibiting uncommon care for our employees, customers, and stakeholders, serving our clients by being partners rather than just money, and providing outsized returns for our shareholders. We look forward to continuing to create a company that our people, partners and shareholders are proud of. We’re experiencing tremendous momentum right now as we continue to grow a best in class platform. Signaling confidence in our platform, subsequent to quarter end, Moody’s assigned us an investment grade rating attributable to our growing performance record since inception, our relatively low reliance on secured funding sources, and our strong capitalization and liquidity.

This rating from one of the most respected agencies will open up access to cheaper capital and a new pool of investors for us. Turning to our platform performance, we maintain a strong investment pipeline including $623,000,000 in unfunded commitments as of the end of Q1, leaving us well positioned for continued portfolio growth in 2025. More than 90% of these unfunded commitments are subject to ongoing diligence and approval by our investment committee. During the quarter, we increased our NAV through net investment income that exceeded our dividends and accretive ATM offerings. The decrease in NAV per share was mostly driven by the impact of the early retirement of the convertible notes in February, which Michael will address in further detail later in the call.

This debt extinguishment removes the overhang to our investors and we firmly believe this payoff will be a net positive for our shareholders in the coming quarters. Credit underwriting and portfolio management ultimately determine our success over the long term. We have a unique structure of collaboration among originations, credit and portfolio teams that manage our inbound opportunities and active portfolio companies. We are very selective and follow a rigorous diligence process. Only a small percentage of our deals reach the underwriting stage.

This methodical approach mitigates risk and positions us to excel in all macroeconomic cycles. And with that, I’ll turn the call over to our CFO, Michael Testa to discuss our financial results in more detail. Michael?

Michael Testa, Chief Financial Officer, Trinity Capital: Thank you, Kyle. In the first quarter, we achieved total investment income of $65,000,000 a 30% increase over the same period in 2024. Our effective yield on the portfolio for Q1 was once again among the best in the industry at 15.3% and our core yield, which excludes fee income remained strong at 14.1%. The decline in our effective yield this quarter was primarily driven by lower fee income from early debt repayments and in Q1 early repayments were well below our historical average. Our core yield reflects the full quarter impact of 50 basis point Fed rate cuts from the prior quarter.

Net investment income for the first quarter was 32,400,000 or $0.52 per basic share compared to $25,200,000 or $0.54 per basic share in the same period of the prior year. Our net investment income per share represents 102% coverage of our quarterly distribution. Our estimated undistributed taxable income is approximately $67,000,000 or $1.04 per share. We continue to reinvest this capital for the benefit of our investors, while maintaining a consistent and meaningful distribution. Our platform continues to generate strong returns for our BDC shareholders with ROAE of 15.5% based on net investment income over average equity and ROAA of 7.1% based on net investment income over average total assets.

As of 03/31/2025, our NAV was $833,000,000 up from $823,000,000 as of 12/31/2024. And our corresponding NAV per share was $13.05 at the end of Q1, a decrease from $13.35 at the end as of 12/31/2024. As Kyle explained, the decrease in net assets per share was primarily due to the repayment of convertible notes during the quarter. The holders of our convertible notes elected to exercise their conversion rate on the $50,000,000 of notes during Q1. At our option, we elected to use cash to retire the notes and avoid the impact of further dilution by issuing shares of our common stock.

These notes were fully liquidated with available proceeds received from early debt repayments, equity gains and the use of our credit facility. While the convertible note repayment caused an impact of NAV per share in the first quarter, the early conversion of these debt obligations, which were issued prior to our IPO, reflect the strong performance of the Trinity platform and will be a long term benefit to Trinity shareholders. Additionally, 152,500,000.0 of our 20 20 five notes matured in January and were repaid in full. As a result of these debt extinguishments, we have no further debt obligations due until August 2026. As Kyle mentioned earlier, we received a BAA3 investment grade rating with a stable outlook for Moody’s.

This rating is further validation of our underwriting track record, strong performance, and our increased scale and business diversification. The recent payoff of past debt coupled with the ability to access the capital markets positions us effectively to capitalize on new opportunities in the coming quarters. During the quarter, we enhanced liquidity by raising $31,000,000 of proceeds from the equity ATM program, an average premium of NAV of 17%. And we raised $4,000,000 of gross proceeds from our net debt ATM program, all at a premium to par. We also continue to realize the benefits of our co investment vehicles, which in Q1 provide approximately $2,200,000 or $03 per share of incremental net investment income benefit to the BDC.

During Q1, we syndicated $35,000,000 to these vehicles. As of 03/31/2025, we had over $320,000,000 of assets under management in these private vehicles, providing incremental capital for growth and accretive returns to our shareholders. Our net leverage ratio, which represents principal debt outstanding with cash on hand was 1.15 times as of 03/31/2025. Our strong liquidity position with diverse capital sources, both from capital raised by the BDC and through our wholly owned RIA subsidiary provides Trinity with the flexibility to manage a strong pipeline and opportunistic in the marketplace. I’ll now turn the call over to our COO, Gerry Harter, to discuss our portfolio performance and platform in more detail.

Gerry? Thank you, Michael.

Jerry Harter, Chief Operating Officer, Trinity Capital: I’d like to begin by expanding on Kyle’s remarks regarding the impact of tariffs on both our portfolio companies and our business processes. Over the past several weeks, our portfolio management teams have reached out to all of our portfolio companies to better understand the potential impact of tariffs on their business models and financial projections. Based on these discussions, we believe that our portfolio has very limited direct exposure to the impact of tariffs, and we are remaining in close contact with our portfolio companies as they navigate through the economic impact of the evolving trade policies. We have also added an additional process step to our underwriting flow to ensure that we have a clear understanding of potential direct or indirect tariff risks before any funding is released to either new or existing portfolio companies. As a reminder, a vast majority of our unfunded commitments are subject to ongoing diligence and approval by our investment committee.

We will continue to follow these additional processes related to tariffs for as long as necessary to ensure that we are deploying our capital in a prudent fashion. Turning back to the general composition of the portfolio, at the end of the first quarter on a cost basis, our total portfolio consisted of approximately 75% secured loans, 19% equipment financing, 4% equity and 2% warrants. The composition of our portfolio continues to be diversified across investment type, transaction size, industry and geography. Our portfolio is segmented across 22 industry categories with our largest industry exposure, finance and insurance, representing 16.9% of the portfolio at cost. This portion of the portfolio is spread across 16 borrowers and includes both term loans and asset backed warehouse facilities.

Our second largest industry exposure is medical devices, representing 12.3% of our portfolio at cost and spread across 11 borrowers. Across our five business verticals, the approximate breakdown of our fundings in Q1 was as follows: 38% to equipment financing, 29 to life sciences, eighteen percent to Sponsor Finance, ten percent to Tech Lending, and 5% to Asset Based Lending. As of the end of Q1, our largest portfolio company debt exposure represents 4% of our debt portfolio and 3.7% of our total portfolio on a cost basis. Our 10 largest debt investments collectively represent 23.4% of our total portfolio on a cost basis. Now turning our attention to credit.

Kyle Brown, Chief Executive Officer, Trinity Capital: The credit quality of our portfolio remained

Jerry Harter, Chief Operating Officer, Trinity Capital: consistent quarter over quarter with approximately 99.1% of our portfolio performing on a fair value basis. Our average internal credit rating for the first quarter stood at 2.9 based on our one to five rating system with five indicating very strong performance. This rating is consistent with the average credit rating in each of the last three quarters and is attributable to strong originations of new credits within the first quarter and excellent work by our portfolio management team with existing portfolio companies. As a percentage of the debt portfolio on a cost basis, credits within the lowest two tiers improved slightly as compared to Q4. Quarter over quarter, the number of portfolio companies on non accrual remained consistent at five.

During Q1, ’1 additional portfolio was added to the non accrual list, while one existing non accrual was realized in the quarter. Subsequent to quarter end, an additional non accrual credit was realized at the Q1 fair value. At the end of Q1, our non accrual credits had a total fair value of approximately $15,200,000 representing 0.9% of the total debt portfolio, a very slight increase as compared to the fourth quarter. At quarter end, 78% of our total principal outstanding was backed by first position liens on enterprise, equipment or both. For our financings covered under all asset liens, the weighted average loan to value as of the end of Q1 was 23%, while 53% of our portfolio companies have a loan to value of less than 15%.

These statistics demonstrate that our portfolio companies are generally not over levered and are in a healthy position to service the debt, even in instances where our loan may not be in first position. In Q1, our portfolio companies collectively raised more than $900,000,000 of equity. Our portfolio is strong and continues to be able to secure funding even in a challenging market. In closing, we want to emphasize that our credit quality and portfolio management are of the utmost importance to Trinity. One of Trinity’s hallmarks is that our staff members think and operate like shareholders, and we always strive for resolutions that benefit both our investors and our partners.

Partners. Before we conclude our call, we would like to open the line for questions. Operator?

Katie, Conference Operator: Our first question will come from Casey Alexander with Compass Point. Your line is open.

Casey Alexander, Analyst, Compass Point: Yes. I was just kind of hoping you could point me in the right direction here. I mean, the fourth quarter had a 3% increase in portfolio investments, interest earning portfolio investments. And then you were a net originator again in this quarter and yet interest income dropped about 5% quarter over quarter. Can you give me some color and point me in the right direction for me to help me understand why it would drop quite that much?

Kyle Brown, Chief Executive Officer, Trinity Capital: Hey, Casey. So a couple of things. One, we saw the effects of that rate cut last year kind of move through the portfolio. I think we’re actually in a really great position going forward as it relates to rate cuts and having the majority of our portfolio really already at kind of base floor rates. So we feel good about that, but there was some effects of that rate cut.

We also saw a pretty strong decrease in payoffs and that resulted in a few cents less of earnings that we typically see in just pull forward fees. So those two things right there, that was the majority of the decrease.

Jerry Harter, Chief Operating Officer, Trinity Capital: Okay.

Casey Alexander, Analyst, Compass Point: A fast follow on to that. How do you see generally when you get into a more uncertain environment, payoffs slow down even more. Would that be your expectation that we would see a slowdown in payoffs in at least in 2Q and 2Q, 3Q while the market is digesting kind of the new economic format?

Kyle Brown, Chief Executive Officer, Trinity Capital: Yes. You know what, in Q1, I think that’s a lot of lot the delays and our kind of regular payoffs, they were pushed to this quarter. Subsequent to quarter end, we’ve already received our normal payoffs that we see in a quarter. So you’ll see that bounce back and we also have other payoffs pending. So we’ll see how that plays out.

We can’t predict how that’ll play out. But already we’ve seen normal payoffs this quarter, which will obviously help with earnings.

Casey Alexander, Analyst, Compass Point: All right. That’s great. That’s good information. Thank you, Kyle. My last question is that medical devices is a pretty substantial portion of the portfolio.

And in talking to people, you know, what I’ve been told is that a large percentage of the components that goes into medical devices actually does come from Asia. Can you comment what your investigation into tariff impacts found specifically relative to medical devices?

: Hey, Casey, this is Ron Kundich. Good question. As Jerry alluded to in his prepared remarks, we took an extremely deep dive into the portfolio all across the board. I can report that our life science portfolio received significant feedback from their companies, even quantified feedback from many companies around the impact of tariffs and specific to your question, the impact on tariffs with regard to their supply chain. And there was no alarming findings.

Hesitate to give you any specifics here on this call, but it was very good. I classify our tariff impact within the portfolio as low, quote unquote low, as Jerry alluded to in his prepared remarks. So ongoing review, ongoing analysis. The only

Jerry Harter, Chief Operating Officer, Trinity Capital: thing I’d add, while I have no doubt that what you say is true, Casey, with respect to the components, medical devices in generally tend to be higher margin devices where the sub component costs are just not a big part of the overall labor burden and material product costs. So that’s why I think the quantified impacts for the med devices tends to be low.

Casey Alexander, Analyst, Compass Point: All right, thank you for taking my questions.

Jerry Harter, Chief Operating Officer, Trinity Capital: Appreciate

Kyle Brown, Chief Executive Officer, Trinity Capital: it. Thanks, Casey. Thank you.

Katie, Conference Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from Doug Harter with UBS. Your line is open.

Corey Johnson, Analyst, UBS: Hi, this is Corey Johnson on for Doug. So this quarter commitments were at slow pace that they’ve been in a while. Can you talk just a little bit about what was behind that? Is that timing, changes in the market, any business decisions that trend or anything?

Kyle Brown, Chief Executive Officer, Trinity Capital: So I want to make sure I heard you right. Did you reference the commitments, funding commitments? Yeah.

Casey Alexander, Analyst, Compass Point: Correct.

Kyle Brown, Chief Executive Officer, Trinity Capital: So listen, we took a page out of our COVID playbook and when you see large kind of macro economic conditions deteriorate or change, it’s really important for us to focus on our portfolio first, kind of take a defensive stance, understand where the wind is blowing and how what’s going on is gonna impact businesses and then really invest into companies that are benefiting from it. And so we did just that. We slowed some of our originations efforts. We had to make sure that we put a new filter in place so that any deal that we were looking at funding, any new deal in the pipeline, we understood the effects of tariffs and whether or not we wanted to fund that company. We had to apply sensitization from a credit standpoint to each of those companies to make sure that they still had the cash life or EBITDA or cash flow that we thought they had.

And so what that meant was us slowing down and funding a little bit less in Q1. Now those deals didn’t go away. The pipeline is robust. It’s growing. We have a significant deal flow right now.

And it’s led us into Q2 with an understanding of who is benefiting from it and who is not, and giving us a really interesting point to invest in these companies going forward. So anyway, commitments are down simply by choice and we’re still monitoring what’s going on, but that’s not a trend.

Corey Johnson, Analyst, UBS: Got it. And so you would say, would you say now that you have kind of been able to assess things and you feel like a bit more comfortable and that commitments will go back up in 2Q? Or are you still playing it a little bit more defensively?

Kyle Brown, Chief Executive Officer, Trinity Capital: So there are certain segments we’ve already identified that are benefiting from this. We have seen within Q1 and carrying into Q2 pretty significant uptick in CapEx spend for companies that manufacture in The U. S. Our equipment business is poised to benefit from that. You saw that with nearly a third of our deployments in Q1 were equipment, over a third.

And I don’t think that’s going to slow down. So that’s a great differentiator for us as a lender. We can look at that and say, great, we’re poised to really benefit from this if it continues. I think manufacturing in The US is a good place to be and we’re really focused on it. So that’s I’m not gonna tell you that it’s gonna be two or three times what we did in Q1, but the pipeline is very strong right now.

Jerry Harter, Chief Operating Officer, Trinity Capital: Got it. Thank you.

Katie, Conference Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from Christopher Nolan with Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is open.

Christopher Nolan, Analyst, Ladenburg Thalmann: Hey, guys. The common stock is yielding 14.5% or so, which is pretty close to what your core yield is. How does that affect your consideration of raising additional common equity?

Michael Testa, Chief Financial Officer, Trinity Capital: Hey Chris, it’s Mike here. Appreciate the question. Yeah, it’s something we’re modeling. We look at we’re only going to raise capital when it’s accretive to our investors. So we raised about $31,000,000 this quarter on the ATM.

Again, that’s efficient way of raising capital. It’s lower than we’ve done in the past, but we’re looking at all the different levers from liquidity on balance sheet to off balance sheet returns for deploying on balance sheet versus syndicating and raising more capital and the benefit, accretive benefits we get from those fundings being in the RIA. So I appreciate the modeling exercise and the math for raising capital on balance sheet versus how that trickles down and leverage a number of moving parts to the benefit of our investors.

Christopher Nolan, Analyst, Ladenburg Thalmann: Great. And then reading into that, I guess the new vehicles that you guys are raising, the separate managed funds would take a bigger role going forward. How do you guys allocate deals between those separate managed accounts and the BDC?

Kyle Brown, Chief Executive Officer, Trinity Capital: So, we think about the managed accounts is just additional liquidity, right? And so you kind of just touched on our goal, our overall encompassing goal is to grow earnings, grow the dividend. So earn it, out earn it, and grow. That’s our goal. We’ve said it over and over again.

Our managed accounts give us the ability to generate new income. So there is a quarterly shuffle that happens and making sure that we do that. And that in some quarters might mean we need to raise some additional equity, common equity. Right now and frankly the rest of this year, a lot of that is focused on raising capital off balance sheet, private funds, and generating new income there. And so we meet twice a week, we look at the model, we try to make sure that we are keeping leverage around that kind of one to one mark and over time hoping to decrease that, giving ourselves more liquidity while also increasing earnings.

So the answer is it’s not an exact answer because the output just has to be EPS is stable and growing.

Christopher Nolan, Analyst, Ladenburg Thalmann: Great, final question. What do you think the impact will be on the fair value evaluation of your portfolio company investments? I mean, this increase the base rate, the risk free rate? And then on top of that, you add the risk premiums? Any color on that would be great.

Kyle Brown, Chief Executive Officer, Trinity Capital: Chris, I don’t know if I understood the question,

Michael Testa, Chief Financial Officer, Trinity Capital: the fair value of the entire portfolio in general or investment in the RIA? No,

Christopher Nolan, Analyst, Ladenburg Thalmann: each of your investments and your scheduled investments is valued by an outside firm, you know, on a periodic basis. How does the tariffs impact the methodology? And does it does it impact does it raise the risk premium of your investments and thus lower your fair value?

Jerry Harter, Chief Operating Officer, Trinity Capital: Yeah, I think certainly Chris, in valuing the equity portion of our portfolio, right, that’s going to be a function of market multiples as of June 30, when the marks are affected, right? So to the extent that trade policies are affecting the markets where our portfolio companies find themselves, then that could certainly affect those marks. With respect to the debt portfolio, if we’ve got performing debt instruments, we’re going to value that with a discounted cash flow. And I think based on what we know today, I would say it would be unlikely that we would across the board, add to the discount rate, as we value that portfolio. However, end of the quarter is two months away.

And we can’t say what may or may not happen. But based on what we know today, we don’t think we would need to make such an encompassing portfolio wide adjustment. Okay, thanks Jerry. Okay, see you guys.

Katie, Conference Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from Paul Johnson with KBW. Your line is open.

Paul Johnson, Analyst, KBW: Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions. Kyle, how do you guys I guess, how do you think about the lower yields in the portfolio over the last several quarters? I mean, do you think that’s reflective kind of your push into like a broader origination verticals, including some sponsor backed deals? Are there other things in there, like lower activity that you might think are the bigger factor?

Kyle Brown, Chief Executive Officer, Trinity Capital: Yeah, we haven’t seen a lot of the compression, I think across all five verticals combined that I think other BDCs and lenders generally have experienced. The majority of that is the effects of the rates changing and then us growing our more upstream and more mature sponsor finance business, which I think investors should be pretty excited about. These are more mature companies, less volatility. They really balance out the portfolio. And so it’s pretty minute, but there is some decrease in the yield.

But I’d say A, it’s best in class still. B, we’re pretty protected on the majority of the portfolio from additional rate decreases because of those floor rates. And C, I would 100% trade the diversification and de risking of the portfolio for the small change in yield. And so what this doesn’t take into account though is our 100 plus warrant positions that are outstanding that we can’t necessarily tell you which one is gonna work and when. But those are all options that we have out there right now that can provide some and have historically provided upside that covers any kind of losses that we might expect and then provide additional upside.

So those are out there as well.

Paul Johnson, Analyst, KBW: Thanks. Appreciate that. Thanks for color there. And then I can’t I may have missed it on the call. So I was just wondering if you could remind us how much of the portfolio is sort of first lien without any sort of additional lender or bank ahead of you in the loan?

: Paul, this is Ron again. 78% of the portfolio is first lien, not encumbered by any senior debt. That’s a pretty direct answer to your specific question. Happy to elaborate if you have any follow ups.

Kyle Brown, Chief Executive Officer, Trinity Capital: Yeah. In the second lien or sub or mezz layers that we take there, frankly, those are the more mature companies. We take the position of partnering with the bank, provides a lower blended cost of capital for the company, and we would be more than willing to be the senior facility. But that lower blended cost of capital ends up putting the company in a better position. So when we do it, that typically just means that’s a more mature company, later stage, better credit quality.

And so we just rarely see issues with those loans.

Paul Johnson, Analyst, KBW: Thanks for that. Once again, very helpful. And then the last one I had was just I was wondering if you’ve seen anything kind of quarter to date in terms of revolver draws or liquidity issues or demands from any of

Jerry Harter, Chief Operating Officer, Trinity Capital: your borrowers? That’s all. Thanks.

Kyle Brown, Chief Executive Officer, Trinity Capital: No, we’ve not seen an uptick at all with companies requesting capital or looking for additional draws above and beyond. And you gotta remember, we don’t in many cases, we actually have milestones in place. So a company can’t just call us up and ask for more money. They will have had to have achieved something or hit some milestone to access additional capital. But then on the majority, the vast majority, I wanna say 90% of the portfolio are outstanding commitments, we have to underwrite the deal and approve it before we release capital and it’s at our discretion.

Katie, Conference Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from Sean Paul Adams with B. Riley Securities. Your line is open.

Ben Malcolmson, Head of Investor Relations, Trinity Capital0: Hey, guys. Good afternoon. You guys have a pretty good track record of this stable dividend. Congrats on 21 quarters without a cut. But this quarter’s NII kind of had a narrow margin versus the dividend payout.

How committed are you guys when it comes to the dividend or dividend increases? And do you guys currently have any plans to build more spillover?

Kyle Brown, Chief Executive Officer, Trinity Capital: Good question. So a couple of things. One, keeping for BDCs, keeping the dividends and not decreasing it, That’s BDC 101 right there. So we are very focused on keeping the dividend and growing the dividend. Our board will meet and decide on whether to keep it or increase it.

And our goal internally is to cover the dividend and increase that coverage over time. We had less coverage this quarter for the reasons we’ve already stated. Payoffs alone account for $03 to $04 of regular earnings per share that we just didn’t see this quarter. There were a few other things that I just that were just specific to this quarter. So our goal is to build it and grow it.

I think generally speaking, right now, if we’re gonna over earn the dividend and we’re still generating a 14% dividend yield, we’re clearly not being our stock is not reflecting its true value in that scenario right there. So increasing the dividends doesn’t make a lot of sense because we’re not getting a lot of credit for that. So building NAV and focusing on building NAV has been what we’ve done now for consecutive quarters. We’ll probably continue doing that, but the board will meet quarterly to decide whether or not we wanna build that spillover. And then at some point, of course, have to distribute out 90 plus percent of earnings.

So if we are successful doing what I just said, we’re gonna be forced to send out special dividends at some point to the benefit of shareholders. So that’s a problem we really want to have.

Casey Alexander, Analyst, Compass Point: Got it. Got it. Thank you

Ben Malcolmson, Head of Investor Relations, Trinity Capital0: for the color. And when you’re looking at forward quarters, if there is a material crunch on the earnings front, how are you looking at the balance of the dividend distribution versus the NAV?

Kyle Brown, Chief Executive Officer, Trinity Capital: We feel really good about covering our dividend.

Jerry Harter, Chief Operating Officer, Trinity Capital: And thank you.

Kyle Brown, Chief Executive Officer, Trinity Capital: All right. Well, was easier than I thought. But we feel really good about covering the dividend.

Jerry Harter, Chief Operating Officer, Trinity Capital: Sounds good. I appreciate the color. You bet.

Katie, Conference Operator: Thank you. It appears we have no further questions at this time. I’ll now turn the call back over to CEO, Kyle Brown, for closing remarks.

Kyle Brown, Chief Executive Officer, Trinity Capital: All right. Well, we’d like to thank everybody for participating in our call today. We appreciate your interest and investment in Trinity Capital. We look forward to updating you on our second quarter results at our earnings call on August 6. Have a great rest of your day.

Thanks. Bye.

Katie, Conference Operator: Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This concludes today’s event. You may now disconnect.

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