Earnings call transcript: Viva Wine Group Q1 2025 sees stable market share

Viva Wine Group AB reported its Q1 2025 earnings, revealing a slight decline in net sales by 1% and an organic growth rate of -0.9%. Despite these figures, the company improved its gross margin by over 2 percentage points to 21.2%. The stock saw a minor dip of 0.71% in pre-market trading, reflecting investor caution amid the earnings results. According to InvestingPro analysis, the company appears undervalued based on its Fair Value metrics, with a P/E ratio of 22x and an attractive PEG ratio of 0.36, suggesting reasonable valuation relative to growth prospects.

Key Takeaways

• Gross margin improved to 21.2%, despite a 1% decline in net sales.
• Viva Wine Group increased its market share in the Nordic segment to 23%.
• The company continues to focus on consumer-centric product development and AI investments.

Company Performance

Viva Wine Group’s performance in Q1 2025 was marked by a slight decrease in net sales, attributed to soft market conditions in the Nordic regions. However, the company successfully expanded its market share in Sweden and Finland, highlighting its competitive positioning. The acquisition of Delta Wines is expected to bolster its presence in Europe, particularly in the Netherlands, Poland, Czech Republic, and Belgium. InvestingPro data shows the company maintains a healthy financial position with a current ratio of 1.22 and moderate debt levels, while offering an attractive dividend yield of 3.69%.

Financial Highlights

• Revenue: Decreased by 1% year-over-year.
• Gross margin: Improved by over 2 percentage points to 21.2%.
• Adjusted EBITDA: Decreased from 6.3% to 5.5%.

Outlook & Guidance

Viva Wine Group aims to double its net sales through organic growth and strategic acquisitions. The company expects gross margins to remain robust in the Nordic markets and anticipates positive currency effects in the latter half of the year. The management plans to review financial targets following the Delta Wines acquisition. InvestingPro subscribers can access additional insights through the comprehensive Pro Research Report, which includes detailed analysis of the company’s growth strategy and financial health score of 2.65, indicating good overall financial condition.

Executive Commentary

"Our vision has been to become a European market leader," stated CEO Emil Salnes, emphasizing the strategic importance of the Delta Wines acquisition. CFO Lin Gevert added, "We expect these investments to give us further growth in The Nordics," signaling confidence in the company’s strategic direction.

Risks and Challenges

• Soft performance in Nordic monopoly markets could continue to pressure sales.
• Consumer sentiment remains cautious, potentially impacting demand.
• Integration of Delta Wines poses operational and strategic challenges.
• Currency fluctuations could affect financial performance.
• Competition in the European wine distribution market is intensifying.

Q&A

During the earnings call, analysts inquired about the impact of the Delta Wines acquisition and the company’s strategic focus on AI and e-commerce. Management highlighted the acquisition as a significant platform expansion, reinforcing its decentralized business model. With a five-year revenue CAGR of 13% and return on equity of 10%, the company demonstrates solid operational execution. For detailed financial metrics and additional ProTips, investors can explore the full analysis available on InvestingPro.

Viva Wine Group’s Q1 2025 results reflect a company navigating market challenges while strategically positioning itself for future growth through acquisitions and technological investments.

Full transcript - Viva Wine Group AB (VIVA) Q1 2025:

Conference Operator: Welcome to the conference call. For the first part of the conference call, the participants will be in listen only mode. Now I will hand the conference over to the speakers. Please go ahead.

Emil Salnes, CEO/Presenter, Viva Wine Group: Good morning, everyone, and welcome to our Q1 twenty twenty five presentation. My name is Emil Salnes, and I will, together with our CFO, Lin Gevert, present today. This is the agenda for today. Due to our acquisition of Delta Wines, which was communicated earlier today, the format will be slightly different. We will start with our customary Q1 presentation before moving on to a presentation of Delta Wines and then ending with some final remarks and the Q and A.

So now let’s move on to the Q1 update and our performance summary. In the quarter, we continued to report increased market shares in The Nordics, which extends our streak to fourteen straight quarters of increased market shares in The Nordics, a great achievement by our Nordic companies. Net sales were significantly affected by the timing of Easter, which this year fell entirely in April. As a result, net sales declined by 1% with an organic growth rate of negative 0.9% compared to the same period last year. We continue to deliver on gross margin, which was strengthened compared to prior year with over two percentage points to 21.2%.

Due to lower sales and our step up in OpEx communicated last quarter, adjusted EBITDA for the quarter decreased to 5.5% compared to with 6.3% last year. Now let’s look more into the details of the financial performance, and I will hand over the word to Lynn.

Lin Gevert, CFO, Viva Wine Group: Thank you, Emmy. We have a small negative sales growth of 1% for the group and we closed the quarter slightly below last year. The decrease compared to the same quarter in 2024 was expected due to timing of Easter. Easter sales will not be visible until the second quarter. Group organic growth slightly negative with 0.9% as Emil mentioned.

And to mention again, WivaWine Group performed better than the monopoly markets. All countries in segment Nordic also increased the position compared to the market. Ecom was more or less at same level as prior year. The consumer sentiment, especially in Germany, our biggest ecom market was still at very low levels. However, Q1 shows positive organic growth in ecom and we are seeing cautious signs of stabilization.

We have a decreased profitability versus prior year with a lower EBITDA margin. The main reason is a combining of the timing of Easter and as previously communicated in conjunction with our Q4 report, our strategic OpEx step up to be able to support our growing Nording business, marketing investments in ecom and a professionalization of our organization. The Nordic segment has strengthened their gross margins. The main reason is our well balanced price adjustments from previous quarters. We only have a slight contribution from currency compared to last year.

Due to our hedging policy, we will not see the current positive currency development in Eurosec until later this year. Looking at our net working capital, it’s above last year and in relation to net sales and that is mainly from Easter and buildup of inventory as opposed to Easter in March 2024. Our net debt well within our targets and net debt to EBITDA decreased to one times three. We have a lower operative cash flow impacted by mentioned seasonal effects. The buildup for Eastern had a significant impact on net working capital, which was higher this quarter.

Our operating activities are in line with previous year, but netted out from the increase in working capital from Eastern. Our cash flow from our financing activities was according to plan.

Emil Salnes, CEO/Presenter, Viva Wine Group: Thank you, Lin. So now over to the performance by segments. We have, as mentioned, continued our steady growth in the Nordic market shares and once again increased more than the market. This is despite the overall market performing soft with decreased sales in all three monopoly markets. For the Nordic market combined, WIva Wine Group reported a market share of 23% for Q1, which is an increase of 0.7 percentage points from last year.

Total monopoly sales in the Nordic region decreased in volume compared with the corresponding quarter in 2024. The Easter effect is the main explanation, but there is also an effect of a lower customers sorry, consumer sentiment across The Nordics. In Finland, the channel shift towards retail due to the 8% wines meant that the monopoly market decreased more than the Nordic average. In Sweden, we reached almost 29% market share in the quarter and beat the market in all wine segments. In Finland, we also continued to beat the monopoly market and have increased our market share to 22.1%.

The decrease in sales at ALCO have been compensated by strong sales in retail, resulting in overall flat net sales for the Finnish company despite the Easter effect. In Norway, we increased our market share to 7.1%. The increase in market share in Norway is driven by strong organic growth and by the acquisition of Target Wines.

Lin Gevert, CFO, Viva Wine Group: Yes and looking at the total net sales for segment Nordic, it decreased by 1.3% in the quarter and an organic growth of negative 1.2%. And as already mentioned, the decrease is mainly explained by the timing of Eastern. The adjusted EBITDA increased along with adjusted EBITDA margin in the quarter and ended at 7.1% versus 6.5% in prior year. Sweden is the main driver with increased gross margins.

Emil Salnes, CEO/Presenter, Viva Wine Group: In our e comm segment, the market continues to be soft, but we are seeing small signs of stabilizations of our customer base. We have successfully tested and invested in new channels and approaches for acquiring customers, which we are starting to see positive signs from. Sales were stable versus last year with a slightly positive organic growth. We continue to work hard on growth. And as mentioned in previous quarters, our focus is on growth in our 11 existing markets.

Lin Gevert, CFO, Viva Wine Group: Looking at the net sales, as Emil mentioned almost in line with previous year with negative 0.3%. Consumer sentiment continues to show very low figures especially for Germany, which is as mentioned our main market for ecom. In March however, we saw small signs of recovery and we have a small positive organic growth which strengthens our belief of further stabilization in the market. We have stronger gross margins mainly due to positive product mix. We keep our strategy of balancing sales and profitability and invest in marketing when we see effects in our KPIs.

Since we now see some stabilization of our customer base, we invest in marketing for future growth. The investments will of course be monitored closely and be KPI driven. We have a very good cost control in our efficient cost base. Adjusted EBITDA margin was lower than previous year, driven by mentioned investments in marketing.

Emil Salnes, CEO/Presenter, Viva Wine Group: To summarize Q1, overall, was a difficult quarter to analyze. Strong calendar effects and a shift in Nordic consumer sentiment impacted heavily on the quarter. Despite this headwind, we continue to gain market shares and reach new record levels for the Nordic monopolies combined. As previously communicated, operating expenses are higher, but they are also in line with our expectations and our strategic plan. M and A is an important part of our growth strategy and we see an increased deal flow, which we evaluate continuously.

And this brings us to the acquisition of Delta Wines, an exciting strategic step that significantly enhances our position in the European wine market. To start, we will look back at our growth journey until today. Founded in 02/2009, Viva Wine Group has evolved into a leading wine distributor in The Nordic and operates one of Europe’s most prominent online wine retail platforms. The group employs a decentralized business model, empowering entrepreneurs to lead operations while retaining minority ownerships in their respective businesses, driving accountability, agility and local market insight. Our growth trajectory has been underpinned by organic robust organic expansion, complemented by a disciplined approach to strategic acquisitions.

Our long term vision is to become Europe’s leading wine group, with a clear initial objective of doubling net sales through both organic growth and acquisitions. Our M and A strategy is built on three different pillars. We are looking at bolt on acquisitions to our existing business. We are looking at platform acquisitions to open up new markets. And then we are also considering smaller niche acquisitions to complement our Nordic offering.

Delta Wines is clearly a platform acquisition that expands our business into four new markets: Netherlands, Poland, Czech Republic and Belgium, as well as adding to our presence in Finland and Norway. Delta Wines was founded in 1985 and is a market leader in The Netherlands and have a leading market position in Poland and The Czech Republic. Total revenue in 2024 was EUR 186,000,000 with an EBITDA margin of 6.8%. Delta Wines have a strong presence in all distribution channels: retail, sales to e com platforms, food services, wine shops and export. As mentioned, we see Delta Wines as an important strategic acquisition, which will broaden our platform for growth.

We strengthen our market reach and we become a more diversified group of companies. We acquire a leading B2B distributor with an excellent track record. Delta Wines is led by a very professional team that also will remain in the company as shareholders, again in line with our existing model. Finally, we see a high potential for synergies. As mentioned, these synergies are expected to be those that we have successfully achieved within our Nordic operations: strengthen supplier relationships, enhance knowledge sharing and most notably improvements in product development.

In addition, both companies get access to complementary channels, where WIva Wine Group expands into Europe to enable further geographic expansion, And also, the market access opens up for our existing Weavas existing strong portfolio of brands to be sold into new markets. The combined group will have net sales over SEK 6,000,000,000 with an EBITDA margin of 8.4%, and our geographic presence in Europe will be unmatched by our competitors and will form the basis for a continued growth journey.

Lin Gevert, CFO, Viva Wine Group: Yes. And the summary of the acquisition is that Veo Wine Group acquires 88.59% of Delta Wines for a purchase price of EUR 57,000,000. This follows our strategy as Emil mentioned of keeping our entrepreneurial model to secure long term incentives, skin in the game and the same incentives as the shareholders of Eva Wine Group. The adjusted EV to EBITDA according to preliminary unaudited IFRS result in a multiple of five times nine. The acquisition is expected to be accretive to Viva Wine Group’s earning per share from day one.

WIWEIN Group will finance acquisition with a new term loan provided by our bank club that consists of the prominent Nordic banks SEB and Danske Bank. The net debt to EBITDA is expected to temporarily correspond to slightly above three times. Viva Wine Group will consolidate Delta Wines into the existing Nordic segment. The new segment will be remained to business to business and will account for approximately 89% of the sales. The current e com segment will be remained to business to consumer and account for approximately 11%.

Emil Salnes, CEO/Presenter, Viva Wine Group: So to summarize, today we have taken a big step towards our vision of becoming one of the leading wine groups in Europe. The acquisition of Delta Wines is an important strategic move where we see a lot of synergies for growth. There’s a great cultural fit between the companies. We have similar history and share values and a willingness to adapt and grow. The acquisition will be accretive and create shareholder value from day one.

And as a last point, following the closing of the transaction, our Board will also review our financial targets, so we will not go into these today. With that, it’s now time for the Q and A session.

Conference Operator: The next question comes from Roli Juva from Indirs. Please go ahead.

Rauli Juva, Analyst, Inderes: Yeah. Hello. Rauli from Inderes here. A few questions from me. First of all, the Nordic market development, I guess, you have now already figures for April, and you mentioned that there has been weakness in the consumer sentiment as well.

So has that been kind of weaker than you originally expected going into the year?

Lin Gevert, CFO, Viva Wine Group: Well, we see the positive effects from Eastern and that is visible in the market. So that effect has been reversed completely. However, the markets in general has opened a bit slower than the markets expected if we look at the monopolies guidance for this year.

Rauli Juva, Analyst, Inderes: All right. That’s fair. And you still had a quite good gross margin development. Is there any pressure on the pricing or gross margin given the continued markets?

Lin Gevert, CFO, Viva Wine Group: No. We expect our gross margins for the Nordic segment to be strong. And as mentioned, we also have if the currency develop continues as currently, we will also see positive effects later during this year the gross margins for the Nordic segments. So we expect the margins to be stable for the Nordic segments. And if the currency development is as it is today in the market, we will see positive effects later this year.

Rauli Juva, Analyst, Inderes: Yes. Okay. That’s very clear. And then on Delta Wines, I was wondering what kind of integration you are planning with with with Delta Wines, kind of how how independent you component that will remain as as an as an operation, and how much are you planning to integrate and and and how?

Emil Salnes, CEO/Presenter, Viva Wine Group: Yeah. No. But the the Delta Wines will just slide into our our existing business model, and we’ll continue to do to operate as a a decentralized individual company who takes a lot of decisions close to the market as is our model. Then of course looking at the countries Finland and Norway where we already have existing businesses, we might coordinate a little bit in the background of the platforms for finance, logistics, and stuff like that. But also in these countries, the plan is to operate the companies as individual companies.

Rauli Juva, Analyst, Inderes: Yeah. Sure. Sure. That makes sense. And and you didn’t give any any kind of number estimate on the synergy potential in the release.

I guess, purpose, can you give any color on that subject?

Emil Salnes, CEO/Presenter, Viva Wine Group: Yes, absolutely. So even if we don’t disclose specific synergy estimates, we expect to realize benefits very similar to those we have successfully achieved within our Nordic operations. And those include then strengthened supplier relationships, enhanced knowledge sharing and product development and assortment planning. And these have been key contributors to the strong performance in The Nordics recently, and this is what we expect to leverage also with Delta Wines going forward. But I think to be clear, we’re talking a lot about growth synergies, and these take a bit of time as we have seen in The Nordics and also they are much more difficult to quantify.

That is why we are not quantifying

Rauli Juva, Analyst, Inderes: any

Emil Salnes, CEO/Presenter, Viva Wine Group: synergies as such. On the cost sides there are no identified clear synergies apart from again knowledge sharing, best practice and stuff like that which also is a more of a slow rollout.

Lin Gevert, CFO, Viva Wine Group: But also important to mention that they have a very efficient cost base as we always strive for also in our group. The OpEx to net sales for that business is expected to be around 9% or something. So very efficient cost base that we will keep.

Conference Operator: The next question comes from Fredrik Iverson from ABG. Please go ahead.

Fredrik Iverson, Analyst, ABG: Thank you. Good morning, team. I’ve got a few questions on the financial performance and then a few on Delta. But maybe we could start with the Q1 results. And then I guess you touched upon it a little bit, Erlin, on the gross margin.

And I want to allude to the Nordics in particular and the bridge from Q4, which was down I guess one percentage point roughly. Is that only a sort of normal seasonality or anything else that we should be sort of aware of in that number?

Lin Gevert, CFO, Viva Wine Group: No. That is normal seasonality effects. And looking back going back a couple of years this has always been the case. Of course hard to analyze due to currency effect, but it’s normal season effects where we have the Christmas sales that always is a bit stronger in the gross margin percentage. So yeah, that is the effect.

And as we mentioned when Raul question is that we believe that these gross margins will stay strong and even expect to increase towards the later parts of the year.

Fredrik Iverson, Analyst, ABG: Yes. That’s clear. And second one on OpEx. You guided for OpEx in relation to sales in line with 2023 for the full year. And now in Q1, it was up one, I guess, point five percentage points.

So how should we view the sequential phasing of OpEx over the year?

Lin Gevert, CFO, Viva Wine Group: Yes. Well, I think that is also should be in line with previous year OpEx developments, the seasonal patterns that we have had. And I mean the net sales is the biggest deviation where we have always weaker sales in Q1 depending on Easter and then the strongest sales in Q4. But looking at the historical pattern of the spend is good. But as mentioned, we still have this guidance as you said for the full year.

Fredrik Iverson, Analyst, ABG: Okay, right. And then if we could move into the Delta acquisition. So my assessment of your previous strategy has been to focus on Nordic monopoly and then e commerce outside of the Nordic more than anything else. So this looks like a little twist of that focus maybe. So what made you sort of start looking outside of e commerce?

Or am I completely wrong?

Emil Salnes, CEO/Presenter, Viva Wine Group: No, it has always been part of our strategy. But yes, we have spoken a lot about ecom. But our vision has been to become a European market leader, and I think we are looking at all different kinds of acquisitions along those lines. And then, of course, I mean, it has been difficult to find good ecom acquisitions as well. So maybe we’ve had to twist our strategy and look a little bit harder on other kinds of targets than previously.

So yes, a slight twist on the strategy. But on the other hand, when we met with Delta Wines for the first time and when we spoke with them, we realized, I mean, on a personal level, it it was almost love at at first sight because they had done exactly the same growth journey as we have done. They built up a group on this with same values, same work ethic and so on in a different market. And for us, that was like a really, really good eye opener that there are other companies like us in the world and we hadn’t looked as hard for them before. Now we found them and this will be really, really good for us going forward.

But slight twist in the strategy, that’s correct.

Fredrik Iverson, Analyst, ABG: Yep, that makes sense. I agree. It looks like a good company for sure. What’s the gross margins in this business? Is it roughly in line or slightly below the Nordic gross margin?

Lin Gevert, CFO, Viva Wine Group: Yeah. It is slightly below I would say since it is an open market with several channels.

Fredrik Iverson, Analyst, ABG: Right. And I guess private label share is lower as well.

Lin Gevert, CFO, Viva Wine Group: Yes, but they have a significant part of private label as well. But that is also something we will continue to work on together. But I would say approximately 20% today. So, still very good.

Fredrik Iverson, Analyst, ABG: Okay, good. The interest rate on the financing, would you be open to give a ballpark number on that?

Lin Gevert, CFO, Viva Wine Group: We don’t discuss. I mean that’s according to our agreements that we don’t disclose them. But I would say that we have very good financing terms that will not significantly change towards our current financing terms. So that’s a good answer.

Fredrik Iverson, Analyst, ABG: And lastly from my side, maybe I just didn’t understand, but is the current management team in Delta also owners?

Emil Salnes, CEO/Presenter, Viva Wine Group: Correct. So the CEO, Joris, the managing director, the CFO and the commercial director are main shareholders owning together around 10% of the company. And then there is the 0.9% that remains, which are also then shared with other management in The Netherlands. So in total, I think we will have between ten and fifteen shareholders in management in The Netherlands.

Fredrik Iverson, Analyst, ABG: Okay, great. That sounds good. Well done. That’s all my questions.

Emil Salnes, CEO/Presenter, Viva Wine Group: Thanks, Frederic. Thank you.

Conference Operator: The next question comes from Niklas Elhammer from Carlsquare. Please go ahead.

Niklas Elhammer, Analyst, Carlsquare: Yes. Hello and good afternoon good morning, I would say. Regarding sort of factors impacting your sales, do you have any estimate of the impact from calendar Easter on Q1? And also regarding price adjustments so far in 2025 in Sweden and elsewhere, is that something you could comment on?

Lin Gevert, CFO, Viva Wine Group: Yes. As mentioned the sales development is clearly related to Eastern and has been reversed looking at April. So that has been fully reversed. Looking at the historical seasonal patterns they are in line. And looking at our price adjustments as mentioned, what we see today in our gross margin is the result of price adjustments going back quarter by quarter the last years.

We don’t expect significant price increases in general, but we still expect gross margins to stay strong in the Nordic markets. And then if currency stays as it is today, give a positive effect towards the end of the year.

Niklas Elhammer, Analyst, Carlsquare: Okay. Thank you. And looking at the current macro environment, what kind of market trends do you see? And how would you make any adaptions currently?

Emil Salnes, CEO/Presenter, Viva Wine Group: No, I think that we have already adapted our approach to the market. We have launched many more new products in more affordable price categories. We are meeting this slower or let’s what’s the purchasing power of Nordic consumers has been a little bit reduced in the last few years. And I think this change in consumer sentiment that is mentioned is that it seems like the whole and this when we look at also other businesses that have been reporting in the last few months, a lot of people have been talking about this slightly more cautious consumer, and I think that’s what we’re seeing as well. So it’s really like very, very small signs.

So it’s not a big break in any trend at all, but small signs that the consumer is a little bit more cautious about his or her spending.

Niklas Elhammer, Analyst, Carlsquare: Yes. Thank you. And and regarding your sort of strategic OpEx investments, how long before you see any top line benefits? Or have you already that’s already what you’re seeing now?

Lin Gevert, CFO, Viva Wine Group: I would say that the OpEx step up is, as we mentioned, planned for this total year. But then we expect, I mean, the sales to follow. So it will go back again to more in relation to last year’s number in relation to net sales. So I mean we expect these investments to give us further growth in The Nordics. And also of course now we see some traction in ecom hope to retain a more stable situation in our customer base where we see effects.

So that’s those investments. And then in general we are investing in professionalization of the organization as well. And now is the right time.

Niklas Elhammer, Analyst, Carlsquare: Okay. And finally, regarding Delta, do you see regarding the sort of profitability potential, if if you could answer, is there any reason why Delta should be lower than your current Nordics in terms of profitability? Is the customer and market structure

Emil Salnes, CEO/Presenter, Viva Wine Group: Yes. I think regarding that question, it is clearly well known in our business that, of course, profitability in the monopoly market compared to a totally open market will have a different profile. So basically, that means that the delta will always well, always, that’s a hard word, but will at least for the near future have a more lower profile than At gross margin level. At gross margin level. While, of course, on the cost level, they are super efficient.

So but there is a difference. And and I think that once we have a bit more verified numbers and we we can guide you a little bit more regarding that in in future sessions.

Niklas Elhammer, Analyst, Carlsquare: Sounds good. Thank you.

Conference Operator: The next question comes from Johan from Fred. Please go ahead.

Johan, Analyst, SEB: Good morning, guys. Johan Fred here from SEB. Thank you for taking my questions. A first one on your investments into the organization, which drove OpEx quite a bit higher year on year. Do you mind elaborating a bit on or specify what you’re actually investing in?

You mentioned marketing, but any additional color would be much appreciated on that topic. Thank you.

Lin Gevert, CFO, Viva Wine Group: Well, as mentioned, if looking at the Nordic segment, it’s marketing, of course. But then also the Nordic segment has grown a lot during the last three years. So also some personnel and then also some investments in one time effects. We have also made investments in for example AI to be even more efficient going forward. But and then looking at our ecom segment, it is now investments in marketing mainly.

The efficient cost structure that we have worked with during the last year will stay for ecom. It’s mainly related to that we now see some traction in the customer base stabilization that makes us invest a bit more for future growth there. But as mentioned that will be closely monitor and is KPI driven. So I would say the main focus is on marketing Nordics and ecom and then for the Nordic markets a bit also support with personnel. But then we also have the general professionalization of the company where we invest in for example more functions that would help us in the M and A agenda going forward.

And also I mean we have the strategy to become the leading European wine company and those things that we do now will support that journey of being this from today a much larger group. So we’re very happy with those investments and see that they are in line with where we are going with our vision.

Johan, Analyst, SEB: Got it. Very clear. Thank you. And a follow-up on that topic. And you sort of alluded to this in your prior answer here.

But you guided for OpEx in 2025 to be in line with 2023. But as mentioned, it came in quite a bit higher than that in Q1. Is sort of the OpEx level seen in Q1 a good reference for your cost base coming quarters and of course accounting for seasonality. But should we use the delta between 2023 and 2025 as a sort of reference point?

Lin Gevert, CFO, Viva Wine Group: Yes. And as mentioned, what we said when we reported Q4 it was a reference net sales OpEx to net sales percentage looking at 2023 for the full year. So that is the guidance. So at looking at the different quarters, it is of course higher in Q1 because we have lower sales and so on. But the spread of the OpEx during the year is in line with previous year.

So that is more a seasonality of our OpEx structure as well. Yes. So that remains.

Johan, Analyst, SEB: Yes. Yes. Good. Very clear. Thank you so much.

And a third one if I may on the gross margin development. Very solid development. It expanded by, I think, 2.2 percentage points year over year, which I gather is mainly driven from Sweden. You mentioned that FX will be more of a have more of an impact on gross margins in the coming quarters. What drove the increase that we saw in Q1?

Is this mainly price? Or is any FX in the mix? Any color would be much appreciated.

Lin Gevert, CFO, Viva Wine Group: Yes. Well, we have very small positive effects from the currency. So I mean looking at the average rate at RIX Bank and compared to last year, it’s almost at the same level in Q1. So no effects and on top of that we have our hedges. So positive effects from the currency is expected to come later during this year Q3, Q4 the positive effect from currency.

But as mentioned, we have been adjusting our gross margin to current levels that is work that we have been doing since 2022 to catch up with all negative headwinds in the general market condition. So this is hard work getting new products in to the correct new environment that has the correct gross margins from the beginning that boost this, but also the price adjustments that have been made over the last two years.

Johan, Analyst, SEB: So the delta is driven by price and mix. Is that correct?

Lin Gevert, CFO, Viva Wine Group: Yes.

Johan, Analyst, SEB: Got it. Got it. And the final one, if I may then, on the acquisition. As I gather, it’s a B2B distribution platform. How does the sort of business model and strategy from Delta differ from your current strategy, given that your B2B business is predominantly based around the Nordic monopolies.

What do you see as sort of the main challenges with expanding your B2B offering outside of the monopolies?

Emil Salnes, CEO/Presenter, Viva Wine Group: I think that if you look at outside monopoly countries, the first thing you have to realize that these are multichannel markets where a lot of the channels are much stronger than in Sweden. So for example, the restaurant side has a bigger percentage point of sales than they would have in Sweden. On top of that, there are wine shops, there are e comms, there are, of course, retail. So many more channels to work with. Looking at our strategy, I mean, what we do share from a start and we will continue to share is that we put the consumer first.

So again, we have had this consumer centric model of always delivering what the consumer wants to buy. So that’s more of a similarity. So we feel that we have to gather capabilities in as a company, since Delta is new to us, in these channels, and we have to learn much more about these channels. We have, in The Nordics, learned about in Finland, about working in retail, and we’ve been successful there. And I think we’re looking forward to sharing insights on working in a multichannel environment, which will then further strengthen our possibility to grow in the future.

Johan, Analyst, SEB: But do you see it as do you see your sort of limited experience in the multi channel environment sort of as a risk?

Emil Salnes, CEO/Presenter, Viva Wine Group: No, not at all. It’s more me being a little bit modest about challenges and not knowing all the details about different markets. But if we look at it overall, I mean, their business plans are very clear and very easy to understand. And again, I mean, the only thing is that you have to work with many more channels. And in many other channels, it’s also many smaller entities.

And that is different from, of course, where we work with basically one huge client in every monopoly market.

Johan, Analyst, SEB: Got it. And the final one, if I may. What’s the reason for Delta selling?

Emil Salnes, CEO/Presenter, Viva Wine Group: Yeah. I think the main reason is that the Navitas Capital, who was a financial investor, wanted to invest in other things, and that started the process. And then as often is the case, some of management sold some of their shares, so they have sold some shares as well. But the main owner wanted to invest in other stuff after having owned the company for, I won’t mention a number, but a number of years, let’s say. If it so I think that’s the main reason.

Yeah.

Johan, Analyst, SEB: Yeah. Make makes sense then. Those were all of my questions. Thank you for taking the time.

Emil Salnes, CEO/Presenter, Viva Wine Group: Thank you. There

Conference Operator: are no more questions at this time. So I hand the conference back to the speakers for any written questions.

Emil Salnes, CEO/Presenter, Viva Wine Group: Great. So Alexander has sent in a bunch of questions, and then we have answered a few of them. Can you give examples of synergies on cost as well as revenue from Delta and perhaps some numbers behind it? We already mentioned that we mainly consider this as a revenue synergy case and we do not elaborate on numbers. Gross margin guidance for Veeva, think we already mentioned that.

Lin Gevert, CFO, Viva Wine Group: Yes. And it has been much focused on the Nordic level, which we expect them to stay strong and then grow towards the end of the year.

Emil Salnes, CEO/Presenter, Viva Wine Group: And in Delta?

Lin Gevert, CFO, Viva Wine Group: And in Delta, we expect them to be stable, but lower level than the Nordic market, but just a few percentage points.

Emil Salnes, CEO/Presenter, Viva Wine Group: And then regarding Easter effect, there’s a question regarding in order to understand the Easter effect, can you quantify it and perhaps say how much Veeva grew sales in The Nordics in April? We basically said that sales March, April together were developing very nicely compared to last year. So I think that’s the guidance that we can give. Then do you want to add something, Linn? No.

No. Sorry, guys. Then a question regarding the dividend. Can you cancel the dividend after the acquisition? Are you comfortable with the current gearing?

There are no plans that I know of. And in this case, I may put on my owner hat as well of canceling the dividend in the near future. Then of course as mentioned, we will look at our financial targets in the future. But we do see ourselves as a company that will give dividend for the long future.

Lin Gevert, CFO, Viva Wine Group: Yes. And we expect to deleverage from this initially three to within a year be within our targets. So that is our plan.

Emil Salnes, CEO/Presenter, Viva Wine Group: Great. And then last question from Alexander regarding Delta’s EBIT and EBITA in 2024.

Lin Gevert, CFO, Viva Wine Group: Yeah, well approximately I would say EBITDA level of around SEK8 million. Must mention that these are all still not according to IFRS audited. And EBITDA margin don’t exactly have that measure and it will be reviewed when we do the full IFRS conversion, but approximately SEK 10,000,000.

Emil Salnes, CEO/Presenter, Viva Wine Group: Well, that concludes the questions the written questions as well. So thank you all, and look forward to seeing when we present the Q2.

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