Horizon Technology (NASDAQ:HRZN) Finance Corporation (NASDAQ: HRZN), a leading venture lending platform, has reported a slight growth in its portfolio to $711 million in the first quarter of 2024. During its earnings call, the company shared insights into the venture lending business, including a strong debt portfolio yield that has consistently covered earnings and distributions for over six years.
Despite a challenging environment with IPO and M&A activity below normal levels, Horizon has shown resilience with $26 million in investment income and a solid net investment income. The company remains selective in new originations and anticipates portfolio growth in the latter half of the year, backed by a robust liquidity position of $91 million.
Key Takeaways
- Horizon's portfolio size increased marginally to $711 million in Q1 2024.
- The company funded five debt investments totaling $33 million, all to existing portfolio companies.
- Venture lending market shows recovery signs; Horizon maintains a strong debt portfolio yield.
- Closed $37 million in new loan commitments and approvals in Q1, with a backlog of $168 million.
- Investment in later-stage companies declined, but abundant venture capital is available.
- Horizon expects portfolio growth in the second half of the year and remains selective in Q2.
- Generated $26 million in investment income, a slight decrease from $28 million in the previous quarter.
- Available liquidity of $91 million, with a debt-to-equity ratio of 1.37 to 1.
- Repayment activity expected to remain light in the near future.
Company Outlook
- Horizon anticipates continued selectivity in new originations for Q2.
- Portfolio growth expected in the second half of the year.
- The company raised $12 million through its ATM program, contributing to its liquidity.
- Horizon is well-positioned with $91 million in available liquidity to fund future transactions.
Bearish Highlights
- IPO and M&A activities are still below normal levels.
- Investment in later-stage companies has seen a decline.
- Investment income decreased slightly from $28 million in the previous quarter to $26 million.
Bullish Highlights
- The venture lending market is showing recovery signs.
- Strong debt portfolio yield, covering earnings and distributions for over six years.
- The company closed $37 million in new loan commitments and approvals.
Misses
- Horizon's investment income experienced a minor decrease from the previous quarter.
Q&A Highlights
- Horizon is not in direct competition with debt, often combining equity transactions with debt to extend portfolio companies' runway.
- More opportunities are arising in the venture debt market as equity markets provide liquidity.
- Horizon remains cautious about refinancing problem accounts and prefers providing growth capital.
- There is increased collaboration with tech banks, offering attractive financing options for venture capital-backed companies.
In conclusion, Horizon Technology Finance Corporation continues to navigate the complexities of the venture lending market with a strategic approach that balances growth with caution. With a steady yield from its debt portfolio and a strong liquidity position, the company is poised to capitalize on market opportunities while maintaining a conservative stance on new originations and refinancing.
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Full transcript - Horizon Tech (HRZN) Q1 2024:
Operator: Greetings. And welcome to the Horizon Technology Finance Corporation First Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Megan Bacon, Director of Investor Relations and Marketing. Thank you. You may begin.
Megan Bacon: Thank you. And welcome to Horizon Technology Finance Corporation’s first quarter 2024 conference call. Representing the company today are Rob Pomeroy, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; Jerry Michaud, President; Dan Devorsetz, Chief Operating Officer and Chief Investment Officer; and Dan Trolio, Chief Financial Officer. I would like to point out that the Q1 earnings press release and Form 10-Q are available on the company’s website at horizontechfinance.com. Before we begin our formal remarks, I need to remind everyone that during this conference call, the company will make certain forward-looking statements, including statements with regard to the future performance of the company. Words such as believe, expect, anticipate, intend or similar expressions are used to identify forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements are subject to the inherent uncertainties in predicting future results and conditions. Certain factors could cause actual results to differ on a material basis from those projected in these forward-looking statements and some of these factors are detailed in the risk factor discussion in the company’s filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including the company’s Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2023. The company undertakes no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statement, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Rob Pomeroy.
Rob Pomeroy: Welcome, everyone, and thank you for your interest in Horizon. Today, we will update you on our performance and our current overall operating environment. Dan Devorsetz will take us through recent business and portfolio developments, Jerry will then discuss the current status of the venture lending market, and Dan Trolio will detail our operating performance and financial condition. We will then take some questions. Before we get to our specific results for the first quarter, I would like to speak to the nature and current status of the venture lending business. Venture lending is an exciting and rewarding endeavor, which is driven by the support of venture investors and the advancement of technology. The Horizon platform has one of the most experienced teams of venture lenders and we are passionate about our industry and its prospects. We seek investment opportunities in development-stage companies that drive technological innovation and are backed by committed investor support, including significant capital investment. These companies rely on additional capital to advance their technologies and growth. Venture debt is an essential part of this capital ecosystem. When we underwrite a venture loan, we base our investment thesis on an enterprise’s strength of technology or market position, its ability to further develop its market and technology, its ability to grow or achieve revenue, its ability to attract additional institutional capital or strategic interest, and eventually to advance to an exit or more traditional bank lending. Business plans of these younger companies are subject to many kinds of detours, and their agility to adapt and react is necessary to navigate ever-changing waters. As seasoned venture lenders, we know that plans and the environment are always changing. Sometimes there are jolts to the ecosystem, like we experienced last year with the tech bank crisis. Global unrest, higher interest rates and pandemics, just to name a few recent shocks, can upset plans and require management, investors and venture lenders to thoughtfully react and adapt. While we have experienced all of the impact of these shocks over the past several quarters, we are starting to see the beginnings of a recovery in the venture ecosystem. We recognize the signs of recovery because we have previously seen and experienced cycles of shocks and recovery. Our senior lending team has an average tenure in the venture lending business of over 20 years. This tenure has provided us with the experience to know how to smartly support our portfolio companies through difficult times, while seeking to preserve shareholders’ capital and maximize net asset value. The results for the first quarter reflect our expertise and our efforts to grow our portfolio and maximize NAV in a difficult environment. Our debt portfolio yield remains strong and our earnings continue to cover our distributions, as they have for more than six years. This is the essence of the venture lending model. I will turn the call over to Dan, Jerry, and Dan to give you the details of our first quarter results and progress. We appreciate your continued interest and support in the Verizon (NYSE:VZ) Technology Finance platform. Dan?
Dan Devorsetz: Thanks, Rob, and good morning to everyone. Our portfolio size grew slightly in the first quarter to $711 million, as new originations in the quarter were mostly offset by prepayments and normal portfolio amortization, as well as fair value adjustments. In the first quarter, we funded five debt investments totaling $33 million, all to existing portfolio companies. Opportunities within the portfolio, both in terms of funding committed backlog to existing borrowers that achieve important operational and financial milestones, as well as providing new financing commitments to strong performing borrowers remains an important aspect of our quarterly funding strategy. While we continue to see a steady stream of opportunities to provide financing to new borrowers, transactions that meet our underwriting standards are taking longer to develop in this challenging environment. We will remain disciplined in our approach to originating loans to new companies and expect slow and steady progress in new originations in the second quarter and the back half of the year as conditions improve. During the quarter, we experienced one loan prepayment, one refinance loan and one partial pay down, totaling $20 million in prepaid principal. We expect modest prepayments in the second quarter of 2024. Prepayments are often driven by IPOs and M&A activity, and while there are signs of activity in the IPO and M&A markets, it remains below normal. Our onboarding yield of 13.4% during the first quarter remained high compared to our historic levels, once again reflecting the ability of our team to structure quality, high-yielding venture loans with strong follow-on investment opportunities, even in this challenging environment. We expect our capabilities in structuring and pricing transactions to continue to produce strong net investment income. Our debt portfolio yield of 15.6% for the quarter was again one of the highest yielding debt portfolios in the BDC industry. We have consistently generated industry-high debt portfolio yields for many years, which is a further testament to our profitability of our venture lending strategy and our execution of that strategy across various market cycles and interest rate environments. As of March 31st, we held warrant and equity positions in 99 portfolio companies with a fair value of $31 million. Structuring investments with warrants and equity rights is a key component of our venture debt strategy and is a potential generator of shareholder value. In the first quarter, we closed $37 million in new loan commitments and approvals, and ended the quarter with a committed and approved backlog of $168 million, compared to $218 million at the end of the fourth quarter. As I referenced earlier, our committed backlog, with most of our funding commitments subject to companies achieving certain key milestones, provides a solid base to prudently grow our portfolio. As of quarter end, 90% of the fair value of our debt portfolio consists of three and four rated debt investments, consistent with where it stood on December 31st. 10% of the fair value of our portfolio was rated two or one, also consistent with December 31st, though the one rated portion of the portfolio increased during the quarter. We continue to diligently work on our stress investments in order to maximize additional recoveries and as we do for all of our portfolio companies, we continue to work closely and collaboratively with management teams, investors and stakeholders to help navigate the challenging environment. Meanwhile, we will continue to look towards sourcing and originating new venture loans to high quality companies, while our portfolio continues to benefit from the current interest rate environment. With that, I’ll turn it over to Jerry for a look at that overall venture industry and current environment.
Jerry Michaud: Thank you very much, Dan. Turning now to the venture capital environment, according to PitchBook, approximately $37 billion was invested in VC-backed companies in the first quarter, maintaining the relative pace that we saw for much of last year. Notably, VC investment in later stage companies declined 36% from the same period in 2023, reflecting continued concerns by venture capital investors related to overvalued later stage companies. In addition, while exit markets did show some improvement in the quarter, venture capital firms are looking to see higher levels of exits within their own portfolios before they will be willing to invest in later stage companies. As a result, insider-led rounds, convertible debt transactions and bridge financings continue to be the primary financing support for VC-backed companies in today’s environment. That said, there is an abundance of venture capital sitting on the sidelines, especially in funds raised in 2021 and 2022. VCs need to invest their committed capital before the investment period if funds preclude further investment and the opportunity for any meaningful returns is made nearly impossible. That pressure, if combined with lower interest rates and the already improving IPO market, may lead to a stronger VC ecosystem during the second half of 2024. VC interest in investment in certain market segments, such as AI solutions and life science, are seeing significant increases. In terms of VC fundraising, only $9 billion was raised in the first quarter of 2024, the lowest first quarter in a decade. VCs’ committed capital from their LPs continue to remain at record highs as a result of amounts raised during 2021 and 2022, and much slower investment activity over the last two years. VCs have high hurdles for raising new funds based on their recent returns, quality of portfolios, size, and investment strategy. Although VC-backed exit activity remained low at $18 billion in the first quarter, there were some optimistic signs. Most notably, the successful IPOs of Reddit and Astera Labs show that if the macro environment can further stabilize, there should be plenty of opportunities for companies to exit via IPOs in the subsequent quarters. Meanwhile, the M&A market for venture-backed companies remained at newt as acquirers continued to stay on the sidelines. We continue to believe that M&A buyers in industries such as biotech, energy technology and healthcare are best positioned to resume M&A activity given their recent positive earnings results, rising public stock prices and the elevated levels of cash and liquidity on their balance sheets. In terms of market conditions for new venture loan investments, we expect to remain selective in the second quarter in terms of originations. While we have seen the top of our pipeline fully replenished at $1.8 billion as of today, which is a testament to our reputation and brand, we are resolute in ensuring that we only fund high quality venture debt investments. Thus, we expect portfolio growth will be weighted toward the second half of the year. To sum up, we continue to navigate through the uncertain and changing VC environment. We remain focused on credit quality and providing all of our portfolio companies with support to ensure optimal outcomes, while we continue sourcing high quality opportunities for potential venture debt originations. We believe we remain well-positioned to continue generating solid NII for our shareholders and building additional long-term shareholder value. With that, I will now turn the call over to Dan Trolio.
Dan Trolio: Thanks, Jerry, and good morning, everyone. It was a solid first quarter from an NII standpoint as we once again generated NII that more than covered our distributions. We also made additional progress in boosting our balance sheet through our ATM program, successfully and accretively selling over a 1 million shares in the quarter, raising $12 million, further demonstrating our continued ability to opportunistically access the equity markets. In addition, we continue to diligently work with all of our companies in order to optimize outcomes for our portfolio and further enhance our credit quality. We believe we remain well-positioned to add quality investments to our portfolio and create additional value for shareholders moving forward. As of March 31st, we had $91 million in available liquidity, consisting of $71 million in cash and $20 million in funds available to be drawn under our existing credit facilities. We currently have $60 million outstanding under our $150 million KeyBank credit facility and $181 million outstanding on our $250 million New York Life credit facility, leaving us with ample capacity to grow the portfolio. Our debt-to-equity ratio stood at 1.37 to 1 as of March 31st, and netting out cash on our balance sheet, our net leverage was 1.16 to 1, which was within our target leverage. Based on our cash position and our borrowing capacity on our credit facilities, our potential new investment capacity on March 31st was $230 million. For the first quarter, we earned investment income of $26 million, compared to $28 million in the prior period, primarily due to lower interest income on our debt investment portfolio. Our debt investment portfolio on a net cost basis stood at $720 million as of March 31st, a modest reduction from December 31, 2023. For the first quarter of 2024, we achieved onboarding yields of 13.4%, compared to 13.8% achieved in the fourth quarter. Our loan portfolio yield was 15.6% for the first quarter, compared to 16.3% for last year’s first quarter. Total expenses for the quarter were $13.1 million, compared to $14.8 million in the first quarter of 2023. Our interest expense increased to $8.2 million from $7.1 million in last year’s first quarter due to higher interest rates on our borrowings. Our base management fee was $3.2 million, comparable with the prior year period. We had an incentive fee of $300,000 in the first quarter, compared to an incentive fee of $3 million for last year’s first quarter. This was due to the deferral of incentive fees otherwise earned by our advisor in the quarter under our incentive fee cap and deferral mechanism. The deferral was driven by unrealized and realized losses on our portfolio. As 2024 progresses, we expect deferrals to end. Net investment income for the first quarter of 2024 was $0.38 per share, compared to $0.45 per share in the fourth quarter of 2023 and $0.46 per share for the first quarter of 2023. The company’s undistributed spillover income as of March 31st was $1.30 per share. We anticipate that the size of our portfolio, along with the portfolio’s elevated interest rates and our predictive pricing strategy, will enable us to continue generating NII that covers our distribution over time. Given the current macro environment, we continue to expect repayment activity will remain light in the near future. To summarize our portfolio activities for the first quarter, new originations totaled $33 million, which were offset by $11 million in scheduled principal payments and $20 million in principal prepayments and partial paydowns. We ended the quarter with a total investment portfolio of $711 million. Given the macro environment, we expect to remain selective in the near-term with respect to originations. On March 31, the portfolio consisted of debt investments in 54 companies with an aggregate fair value of $671 million and a portfolio of warrant, equity and other investments in 103 companies with an aggregate fair value of $40 million. Based upon our outlook, our Board declared monthly distributions of $0.11 per share for July, August and September 2024. We remain committed to providing our shareholders with distributions that are covered by our net investment income over time. Our NAV as of March 31st was $9.64 per share, compared to $9.71 as of December 31, 2023 and $11.34 as of March 31, 2023. The $0.07 reduction in NAV on a quarterly basis was primarily due to our paid distributions, including the $0.05 per share special distribution and adjustments to fair value, partially offset by net investment income. As we’ve consistently noted, nearly 100% of the outstanding principal amount of our debt investments bear interest at floating rates with coupons that are structured to increase if interest rates rise with interest rate floors. This concludes our opening remarks. We’ll be happy to take questions you may have at this time.
Operator: Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. Our first question is coming from the line of Bryce Rowe with B. Riley Securities. Please proceed with your question.
Bryce Rowe: Great. Thanks and good morning.
Rob Pomeroy: Good morning.
Bryce Rowe: I wanted to maybe start with the net unrealized losses here for the quarter, a lot of moving parts with several of the portfolio companies. Maybe you guys could speak to the write-up of the Evelo investment and it looked like a pretty meaningful write-up quarter-over-quarter?
Jerry Michaud: Yeah. Hi. This is Jerry. So, when we marked it at the end of the last quarter, it was coming off of the failed clinical trial for 2939 and we were just kind of trying to get our arms around what the potential value of the assets were. It was a pretty depressed biotech market in general in 2023. So, I think, we marked it around a $1 million. However, since then, we’ve been working very closely with the company and their investors, and there is some significant opportunities for the potential value of some of their assets and so we’re working diligently to try to obviously maximize that value. So, while I don’t have anything to report specific today and the company has not reported anything specific today, we are working very closely with them and believe over the next quarter or two, we should be able to hopefully maximize some of the value. So, we put it at where we put the value of where we believe right now. There appears to be some interest in some of the value of their technology.
Bryce Rowe: Okay. That’s helpful, Jerry. And then maybe another one just on some marks. I mean, you had an additional non-accrual added. It looks like that fair value mark relative to cost wasn’t too terribly much different versus last quarter. And then, Mexie [ph], you saw kind of a write-down. There’s been some talk of that over the last couple conference calls. Maybe an update on those two non-accruals, Mexcar [ph] and Mexie, if you wouldn’t mind.
Dan Devorsetz: Sure, Bryce. This is Dan Devorsetz. Good questions. How you doing? The answer to that is quite similar to what Jerry was describing with Evelo in that, there is, for both of them, there’s different degrees of technology going, concern, value, asset value that we are looking to maximize and working on with comp -- both companies, management teams, investors and third parties. There are parties interested in both of those companies’ assets and businesses. Similar to what Jerry said, we’re working through that. It’s going to be probably another quarter or two, maybe a little more, to get to the other side of that. We marked the values this quarter based upon all of that, the technology, the going concern value and the interest that we’re seeing in the market. For Mexie in particular, there was a small recovery, a small sale of one of the subsidiaries of Mexie that was reported in the Canadian Courts that resulted in a small recovery. There is a lot of activity around the broader business, including the company’s technology and customer base still going on.
Bryce Rowe: Okay. All right. I appreciate that. Then maybe just a question around potential origination and repayment activity. The backlog that you noted, can you give us a sense of the mix there between existing companies and potentially new platform companies? Then from a repayment perspective, I heard a couple of different adjectives. I heard modest and I heard light. So, just trying to kind of handicap what that actually kind of means or could mean, if we want to just talk about a range of potential repayment activity over the next couple of quarters, that’d be helpful? Thanks.
Dan Devorsetz: Dan Devorsetz, again. I think somewhere between modest and light is the way to model it now. Yeah, exactly. The first question of the backlog numbers that was mentioned, I think, that is entirely committed backlog to existing borrowers in the portfolio, primarily milestone-based. That’s the number that was referenced in the prepared remarks. In terms of new originations, we are seeing activity at the top of the funnel for quality companies looking for venture loans. It is taking a long time to develop, as I mentioned. So we are not rushing anything, looking for companies that meet our underwriting hurdles and structuring transactions that are win-win for everybody. So those are taking longer, given this environment. So, again, later this quarter and back after the year, we think that volume is going to pick up. Right now, it is really top of the funnel activity at the moment.
Bryce Rowe: Okay. Okay. I’ll jump back in queue. Appreciate it.
Operator: Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. Our next question is coming from Paul Johnson with KBW. Please proceed with your question.
Paul Johnson: Yeah. Good morning, guys. Just on the lower interest income this quarter, I mean, was that primarily just a function of just kind of lower, excuse me, activity in the quarter or are you guys seeing any kind of compression on spreads for new loans?
Rob Pomeroy: No. Paul, it is a combination of a couple of things. The portfolio size and the prepayment activity was lower this quarter, and the amount of income and acceleration of fees that were related to those repayments were down. And so, as you can recall, the first quarter normally is a lower quarter for us in regards to prepayment and that type of activity, so we are not seeing spread compression.
Paul Johnson: Got it. Thanks. And then, just around kind of the current environment, it sounds like it is still a fairly cautious environment for venture capital. In terms of like the convertible transactions, preferred capital, kind of creative ways that sponsors or partners have kind of come in to kind of bridge the gap as the market remains obviously cautious, I mean, are those sorts of solutions, has that been in any way in competition with the venture debt markets or is this capital that is coming in to replace debt in any way or is this just should just kind of been seen as more or less a bridge to the next financing round?
Jerry Michaud: Yeah. I guess, as I think about our own portfolio, I would say that, it is not in competition with the debt. We are often asked in combination with some sort of equity transaction, whether it be convertible debt or some sort of bridge to potentially help with modified terms. It is going to extend the runway of our portfolio company and get them to some sort of reflection point. So it is definitely not in competition with us at all relative to our own portfolio. As we are seeing new transactions come into the market and this is, we talked about the top of the funnel really being quite robust right now, we are seeing, I think, a reality check from the equity markets. I think during 2023, they went out to the debt market on many occasions and unfortunately found out that there was not enough support from the equity holders to get the venture debt market excited about a lot of companies that were actually doing pretty well but just did not have the liquidity that gave us meaning us the debt market comfort. So I think we are starting to see some of that now where they are coming back to the market with some of their portfolio companies where they are making a realistic attempt to provide significant liquidity and asking the venture debt market to provide some additional debt financing and so we are starting to see those opportunities. It is a bit of a green shoot thing. We did not see much of that in 2023 at all. So we are starting to feel better and I hope that has come across, about the top of our funnel. But as Dan mentioned, because of everything that has taken place with a lot of these companies over the last year, just trying to understand how to underwrite them at this point, if market conditions for the company and whatever their strategy is, still is consistent with what we saw before, that is taking a little bit longer. So in terms of funding activity, that could take a little bit longer, be a little bit slower, but we are definitely seeing improvement in both more equity capital coming in for new companies if they realistically want to access venture debt.
Paul Johnson: Got it. I appreciate it. That is a very helpful detail. That is all for me. Thanks.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question is coming from Christopher Nolan with Ladenburg Thalmann. Please proceed with your question.
Christopher Nolan: Hi. To follow up, excuse me, I joined the conference late. To follow up on Paul’s line of questioning, are you seeing more deal flow from tech companies which are looking to reach out debt financing from another BDC?
Dan Devorsetz: So this is Dan Devorsetz, Chris. That is a common use of proceeds for venture debt is refinances and different markets, they are used for different reasons. But primarily when we are looking at potentially replacing another lender, we want to make sure that we are not refinancing a problem account. It would -- it -- just replacing debt-for-debt is not a good use of our funds, but if it is a natural progression from a smaller lender to a larger lender where you are both replacing debt for providing growth capital as well, oftentimes with additional equity, that is the types of opportunities we do look at. There are deals coming to market where it is a straight swap and that is usually a bad sign that the existing lender does not want to re-up and those are situations where we would avoid.
Christopher Nolan: And also, I guess, as a follow-up question. The venture debt market, at least as it pertains to BDC, seems to be really bifurcated. You have some of the larger players who seem to have real pricing power and lower costs of capital. They are just getting better deal flow in general. How are you guys competing with that? I mean, do you offer lower rates? Do you offer easy terms and conditions? I mean, because it seems like there is a real separation between some of the larger players and a lot of the others.
Jerry Michaud: No. Essentially, there is really only one larger player, but I think basically the market is relative to BDCs is pretty much a set market. I think we can compete -- we certainly can compete with any venture lender relative to price. Size becomes an issue, obviously. We don’t want -- we are doing transactions that are just too large of a percentage of our own portfolio. We actually pay very close attention to our top 10 investments in the portfolio at all times to see where we are. Our ability to raise capital, as Dan Trolio mentioned earlier, has actually been pretty good in a really difficult market. We did a follow-on equity round last year in a difficult market and we have been using our ATM to continually raise capital. So I think we have liquidity to fund transactions and can be competitive, and I do not think we are actually being competitive. We are competing for deals every day. So we have a sense of what is out there in the marketplace, so we can. So I think size is probably one that, in fact, does impact our ability. I think the other thing that has changed in our market is the tech banks, everything that has happened since the SPV situation last year. They are still trying to settle in on where they want to be in the market and we have seen more collaboration relative to working with tech banks than we had seen prior to SPV, so there is opportunity there for us. And there is a situation where we can be very price competitive because we can use some sort of combined price between the bank and Horizon to be -- to provide very attractive financing for venture capital-backed companies.
Christopher Nolan: Great. Thank you.
Operator: Thank you. There are no further questions. I would now like to turn the call back over to Robert Pomeroy, Chairman and CEO, for closing comments.
Rob Pomeroy: Thank you all for joining us this morning. We appreciate your continued interest and support in Horizon and we look forward to speaking with you again soon. This will conclude our call.
Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today’s teleconference. We thank you for your participation and you may disconnect your lines at this time.
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