NexPoint Real Estate Finance (NREF) reported a significant turnaround in its fourth quarter 2023 financial results, with a net income of $0.74 per diluted share compared to a net loss in the same quarter of the previous year.
The company's net interest income saw a substantial increase, and they announced an optimistic outlook for cash distribution growth over the next 12 months. NexPoint's diverse portfolio and strategic repayments position the company for future investment opportunities, despite acknowledging some market challenges.
Key Takeaways
- NexPoint Real Estate Finance reported a net income of $0.74 per diluted share for Q4 2023.
- Net interest income increased to $3.8 million, up from $0.3 million in the prior year's quarter.
- Earnings available for distribution were $0.44 per diluted share; cash available for distribution was $0.51 per diluted share.
- The company's portfolio includes 87 investments with a $1.6 billion outstanding balance.
- NexPoint launched a continuous offering of Series B 9% deferred equity, raising $30 million.
- A significant SFR loan prepayment of $509 million to principal has been received.
- The company expects to increase cash available for distribution by 15% to 20% over the next 12 months.
- NexPoint has a pipeline of over $300 million in investments.
Company Outlook
- NexPoint anticipates a cash distribution increase of 15% to 20% in the next 12 months.
- A $200 million life science loan originated in January is expected to fund over the following year.
- Management remains focused on delivering superior risk-adjusted returns through credit investments in stable and near-stabilized assets.
Bearish Highlights
- The company expects book value to decline by approximately $1 due to a large SFR loan prepayment.
- NexPoint acknowledges potential challenges in the multifamily sector due to increased supply.
- The CMBS market has shown flat to slight upward movements, with some weakness in non-agency deals.
Bullish Highlights
- The repayment of the SFR loan is seen as indicative of a healthy ABS market.
- NexPoint sees opportunities in bridge multifamily loans, offering preferred or mezzanine financing.
- The company is optimistic about the strength of the March market and has de-leveraged by $500 million.
- NexPoint is considering more activity in construction loans, particularly in life science and multifamily sectors.
Misses
- There is currently no tenant for the upcoming project in Cambridge, expected to open in 2025.
- Q1, Q2, and Q3 are expected to be challenging for the multifamily sector due to increased supply.
Q&A Highlights
- Brian Mitts addressed rumors about market supply, stating significant delays until 2027 and 2028.
- NexPoint differentiates between agency and non-agency portfolios, with agency portfolios performing better.
- Despite challenges with CRE CLO loans with lower-quality collateral, improvement is expected in the coming quarters.
NexPoint Real Estate Finance remains optimistic about its future opportunities, with a strategic focus on credit investments and an active approach to managing its diverse portfolio. The company's financial growth and proactive measures in the fourth quarter of 2023 reflect a positive trajectory, even as it navigates market fluctuations and prepares for potential challenges ahead.
InvestingPro Insights
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Revenue figures, however, paint a challenging picture with a significant decline of 62.41% in the last twelve months as of Q3 2023. This is further emphasized by an even steeper quarterly revenue decline of 223.81% in Q3 2023. On the brighter side, NexPoint's dividend yield is attractive at 14.25%, and the company has a history of raising its dividend, doing so for the last four consecutive years—an InvestingPro Tip that income-focused investors should consider.
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Full transcript - Nexpoint Real Estate Finance Inc (NREF) Q4 2023:
Operator: Good morning. My name is Dennis, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the NexPoint Real Estate Finance Fourth Quarter 2023 Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker’s remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to turn the conference over to Kristen Thomas, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Kristen Thomas: Thank you. Good day, everyone. And welcome to NexPoint Real Estate Finance conference call to review the company’s results for the fourth quarter ended December 31, 2023. On the call today are Brian Mitts, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; Matt McGraner, Executive Vice President and Chief Investment Officer; and Paul Richards, Vice President of Originations and Investment. As a reminder, this call is being broadcast through the company’s website at nref.nexpoint.com. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that this conference call contains forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 that are based on the management’s current expectations, assumptions, and beliefs. Listeners should not place undue reliance on any forward-looking statements and are encouraged to review the company’s annual report on Form 10-K and the company’s other filings with the SEC for a more complete discussion of risks and other factors that could affect the forward-looking statements. The statements made during this conference call speak only as of today’s date and as -- and except as required by law, NREF does not undertake any obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements. This conference call also includes analysis of non-GAAP financial measures. For a more complete discussion of these non-GAAP financial measures, see the company’s presentation filed earlier today. I would now like to turn the call over to Brian. Please go ahead, Brian.
Brian Mitts: Thank you, Kristen. I appreciate everyone joining us this morning. I’m going to briefly discuss our quarterly and year-to-date results, and then we’ll go through some portfolio metrics, talk about the balance sheet a little bit and then we’ll provide guidance for the next quarter, then I’ll turn it over to Matt and Paul to discuss the portfolio in a little more depth and the macro lending environment. So starting with our fourth quarter results, they were as follows. Reported net income of $0.74 per diluted share, compared to net loss of $0.17 per diluted share for the fourth quarter of 2022. The increase was largely driven by mark-to-market adjustments on our common stock investments and changes in our net assets related to our consolidated CMBS VIEs. Net interest income increased to $3.8 million for the fourth quarter of 2023 from $0.3 million in the fourth quarter of 2022. The increase was driven primarily by more originations of preferred equity investments with higher yields and partially offset by higher financing costs in 2023. Earnings available for distribution was $0.44 per diluted share in the fourth quarter, compared to $0.42 per share -- per diluted share in the same period of 2022 and $0.43 per diluted share in the third quarter of 2023. Cash available for distribution was $0.51 per diluted share in the fourth quarter, compared to $0.45 per diluted share in the fourth quarter of 2022. The increase in earnings available for distribution and cash available for distribution from the prior year was partially driven by originations of additional private preferred investments. We paid a dividend of $0.50 per share in the fourth quarter and the Board has declared a dividend of $0.50 per share payable for the first quarter of 2024. Our dividend in the fourth quarter was 0.8 times, sorry, 0.88 times covered by earnings available for distribution and 1.02 times covered by cash available for distribution. Book value per share decreased 10.4% year-over-year and increased 0.7% quarter-over-quarter to $17.93 per diluted share with the decrease year-over-year being primarily due to the $0.74 special dividends paid out during the year and the increase from prior quarter being primarily driven by mark-to-market increases. During the quarter, we contributed to five preferred equity investments with $16.5 million of outstanding principal and originated one loan with $15.3 million outstanding principal. These six investments had a blended all-in yield of 11.5%. We had three senior loans redeemed for $29.5 million of outstanding principal and one preferred investment redeemed for $3.5 million of outstanding principal. So moving to year-to-date results, they are as follows. We reported net income of $0.60 per diluted share, compared to net income of $0.22 per diluted share in 2022. The increase was largely driven by changes in net assets related to our consolidated CMBS VIEs as compared to 2022. Net interest income decreased 55.5% to $16.8 million, $37.7 million in 2022. The decrease was driven primarily by prepayments on our SFR loans and CMBS portfolio and higher financing costs in 2023. Earnings available for distribution was $1.51 per diluted share in 2023, compared to $2.50 per share in 2022. Cash available for distribution was $1.67 per diluted share, compared to $2.97 per diluted share in 2022. The decrease in earnings available for distribution and cash available distribution for the year was partially driven by higher weighted average share accounts, increased financing costs, as well as our prepayments on SFR loans in 2023. Moving to the portfolio, our portfolio is comprised of 87 investments with a total outstanding balance of $1.6 billion. Our investments are allocated across the following sectors, 47.2% multifamily, 46% single-family, 5.2% life sciences, 1.5% storage. Our portfolio is allocated across the following investment categories, 41.4% senior loans, 30.8% CMBS B-Pieces, 12.5% preferred equity investments, 8.5% mezzanine loans, 3.5% I/O strips, and 3.3% MBS and MSCR notes. The assets collateralizing our investments are allocated geographically as follows, 20% Georgia, 17% Florida, 15% Texas, 7% California, 4% Maryland, 5% Minnesota and 3% North Carolina, with 29% across states with less than 2.5% exposure. All this reflecting our heavy preference for Sun Belt investments. The collateral on our portfolio is 89.9% stabilized with a 68.8% loan-to-value and a weighted average DSCR of 1.72 times. Moving to the balance sheet, we have $1.3 billion of debt outstanding. Of this, $304 million or 24% is short-term debt. Our weighted average cost of debt is 4.23% and has a weighted average maturity of 3.1 years. Our debt is collateralized by $1.7 billion collateral with a weighted average maturity of 5.6 years. Our debt-to-equity ratio is 2.9 times. A couple other notes. In December, we launched a continuous offering of Series B 9% deferred equity. To-date, we have -- through February, we’ve raised $30 million of gross proceeds, which will be used to make accretive investments with low-to-mid double-digit yields. In Q1 of 2024, we received a prepayment on an SFR senior loan of $509 million to principal [Audio Gap] per diluted share at the midpoint with a range of -- earnings available for distribution will be negative for the quarter as a result of the $25 million reversal as an unamortized premium associated with the previously mentioned senior SFR loan that was prepaid in January. Cash available for distributions were $0.58 per diluted share at the midpoint, with a range of $0.53 on the low end and $0.63 on the high end. So, with that, let me turn it over to Paul.
Paul Richards: Thanks, Brian. The results from the fourth quarter showcased our overall strong performance across all [Technical Difficulty] portfolio. Our strategy remains centered on investment areas where expertise in owning and operating commercial real estate gives us a unique edge. This dual role as both owner and lender in the commercial real estate market enables us to effectively utilize information, allowing us to underwrite and recognize value throughout the capital stack, with our aim in achieving superior risk-adjusted returns that exceed the average. Our investment approach remains centered on credit investments and stable and near-stabilized assets, emphasizing cautious underwriting, low leverage and relative debt basis, along with the lending to healthy sponsors to deliver steady and reliable value to our shareholders. In the fourth quarter, despite challenging commercial real estate conditions, our loan portfolio maintained steady performance, consisting of 87 individual assets with approximately $1.6 billion in total outstanding principal. The portfolio is geographically diverse with a bias towards the Sun Belt markets. Texas, Georgia and Florida continue to be our largest portion of our portfolio at approximately 52% as of year-end, though our Atlanta, Georgia, exposure has significantly decreased by more than 10% as our largest SFR whole loan was repaid in full as of Q1 of this year. From the beginning of the fourth quarter through today, the company has been very active in underwriting and employing capital. We executed on making both follow-on and new investments of $31.8 million of preferred equity investments with an all-in yield of 11.5% in both our SFR and life science verticals. We also completed the purchase on a new issue, five-year fix, Freddie Mac B-Piece opportunity with extremely attractive specs. The overall securitization has a 59% LTV, a 1.34 DSCR and a diverse geographical footprint. The B-Piece will pay an all-in unlevered fixed rate of 9.75%, with modest leverage, we expect to generate a mid-team levered return on a very desirable collateral pool. The company has also purchased new issue SFR ABS paper in the gross amount of approximately $44 million and prudently leveraged to achieve low-to-mid double-digit returns on a low LTV, high cash flowing, stabilized SFR property pool. Lastly, and Matt McGraner will touch more on this exciting investment during his prepared remarks, the company closed on a $218 million drawable first mortgage life science loan this past January. This specific loan carries an attractive 27% attachment point on current as-is appraisal valuation and provides SOFR plus 900 pricing. On the disposition loan repayment side, as mentioned, we received approximately $500 million gross financing and around $60 million in net of financing on the portfolio’s SFR -- on the portfolio’s largest SFR loan was repaid in full and a few smaller SFR loans generating attractive overall IRR for investors. At the end of the quarter, we maintain a cautious approach to our repo financing with leverage standing at approximately 63% loan-to-value. We consistently engage in communication with our repo lending partners discussing the market conditions and status [Technical Difficulty] attractive investment opportunities throughout our target markets and asset classes. We will continue to evaluate these opportunities with the goal of delivering value to our shareholders. We maintain a strong belief in the resilience of the [Technical Difficulty] over for questions. I’d like to turn it over to Matt McGraner.
Matt McGraner: Thank you, Paul. As he just mentioned, [Technical Difficulty] relative basis, our portfolio continues to perform very well and despite short-term supply challenges in multifamily, underlying performance in multi-SFR, storage and life sciences remain relatively stable. As we announced last quarter, and as Brian mentioned, we have successfully launched an NREF Series B preferred and to-date [Technical Difficulty] we expect to increase cash available for distribution by 15% to 20% over the next 12 months. The life science loan originated in January that Paul mentioned will alone provide $200 million of fundings over the next 12 months. We expect to fund -- we expect to match fund draws on this investment with proceeds from our Series B raise, providing maximum accretion to shareholders. In addition, the large SFR loan payoff will create additional capital to deploy into our $300 million plus investment pipeline, but it also de-levers us by a full turn and now sit below 2 times leverage, the lowest of any commercial mortgage rate. This de-levering creates additional optionality in terms of sources of capital to the extent we wanted to re-leverage some of the balance sheet and to fund opportunistic investments. To close, we’re excited about these opportunities [Technical Difficulty] with the company’s continued stability and the opportunity to go on offense in this environment. As always, I want to thank the team for their hard work. And now I’d like to turn the call over to the Operator for questions.
Operator: [Operator Instructions] Your first questions from the line of Crispin Love with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.
Crispin Love: Thanks. Good morning, everyone. First, can you talk about some of the opportunities that you’ve already begun to see or expect to see over the next several quarters in bridge multifamily? Have you started offering pref or mezz to borrowers in that space, and just how is that progressive or progressing? Are borrowers seeking you out, are you working with other lenders to help and do you expect this to be a key way for borrowers to get agency takeouts down the road?
Matt McGraner: Yeah. Hey, Crispin. It’s Matt. Great question. We have started seeing both portfolio deals and individual one-off deals seeking for cash-in refinancing dollars, both on the agency and on the CRE CLO side. Borrowers are seeking money to fund replacement caps. They’re seemingly okay with being diluted, seemingly okay with the terms we’re providing in terms of risk mitigation and mezz and liens and the ability to take over the asset. They’re being realistic as well on cap rates, so we’re getting a better debt yield than we otherwise normally would. We have $300 million of investment pipeline. I would consider this to be an additional $100 million to $150 million opportunity for us this year and they’re beginning to come more fast and furious than they were in the fourth quarter.
Crispin Love: Okay. And just in this strategy of operating a pref or mezz to borrowers, I find it very interesting, but what do you view as kind of the key risks here as these borrowers are likely strapped with high LTVs and low DSCRs? So I’m curious what kind of LTVs you’re coming in at and just if there’s any risk that you think in this strategy?
Matt McGraner: Yeah. We -- I mean, we’re going to make sure that we can prime enough equity such that we can own the asset at an in-place cap rate that we think we can either sell the asset or refi into agency. Now, candidly, some of those are few and far between and we haven’t hit on one yet, but we are underwriting. We will target to be no more than probably 80% of the stack on as-is value today. The structure of the investment, because of the cash flows, certainly in 2024, given supply will be challenged. We’ll probably carry a little bit more of a lower current pay. But the all-in pricing on that can still reach mid-teens. So we’re selective. Again, we haven’t necessarily hit on one yet, but we are seeing opportunities come in the door on a daily basis from sponsors, from the large commercial real estate services companies, investment banks, et cetera. So we do expect to be active this year in that strategy.
Crispin Love: Great. Thank you. That all makes sense, Matt. And then just one last question for me, just on the accelerated amortization of the premium with the prepayment on the senior loan you mentioned in the first quarter, which I think you expect to drive the negative EAD in the quarter. Can you give any more detail there? What drove the prepayment on that SFR loan, is there-- and is there anything out of the ordinary with that loan or borrower specifically?
Matt McGraner: No. I wouldn’t say so. I mean, I -- they’ve been reaching out to us for several years to restructure it, and I think, they just got to a point now where they found other financing or had equity capital and were willing to prepay it. But I don’t think there’s anything, knowing that the company that had the loan, that there’s any issues with that.
Paul Richards: I think I’d add to that, I think that, it’s a sign of a healthy ABS market in SFR, right? The sponsor is a well-heeled sponsor, very active, very well-known in the ABS space and it’s just -- it’s -- while we’re sad to see it go, it provides us with new capital and I think it’s a healthy sign for liquidity and commercial real estate in general.
Crispin Love: Awesome. Thank you. I appreciate you all taking my questions.
Paul Richards: Thank you.
Operator: Your next question is from the line of Stephen Laws with Raymond James. Please go ahead.
Stephen Laws: Hi. Good morning. Congrats on a nice close to the year. I am looking Q4 results. I want to make sure I get…
Brian Mitts: Thank you.
Stephen Laws: Yeah. I want to make sure I understand kind of the CAD as we move through the year. Matt, I think you mentioned in your comments the opportunity for a 15% to 20% growth in the next 12 months. As we think about moving through the year, does Q1 benefit from the $9 million repayment penalty and then we’ll see a drop in Q2 as kind of you get a return capital fully redeployed. How do we think about the CAD migration through this year?
Matt McGraner: Yeah. That’s a good question. The Series B, the way we look at that is with our construction loan in the life science and the pipeline that Paul just mentioned, it’s about $0.04 to $0.05, about $0.05 per $25 million of Series B raised that’s accretive to CAD. So as we move through the year, that’s where I’m picking up that 15% to 20%, and perhaps, it could be more accretion. But your point, again, is well taken on the payoff. You will see a little bit of enhance in the first quarter and then, our job is to redeploy that in the second quarter and make sure that we’re fully funded. But again, I’m comfortable with the ability to be still being able to grow cash available for distribution while delivering a full term.
Stephen Laws: Appreciate those comments. And when you think about the new investment pipeline and redeploying that capital, given the large discounts above, how do you think about any stock repurchases? I know there’s some limits there just given the liquidity, but can you talk about how you think about the returns you’d have to see in stock repurchases versus new investments that you made?
Matt McGraner: Yeah. We have an obligation to fund another $175 million, $200 million of commitments to the extent that we are comfortable managing cash and funding those investments and getting other repayments and we have excess cash. It’s an absolute certainty that we’ll look to buy back stock at a -- at these levels. We’re going to, again, kind of first and foremost fund what we have to fund and then with the excess capital and to the extent that our Series B, our Series B preferred raise ramps, which we expected to, I like our chances to be in a position to buy back stock if we continue to trade at a discount.
Stephen Laws: Great. I appreciate the comment. Thanks, Matt.
Matt McGraner: Thanks, Stephen.
Operator: Your next question is from the line of Jade Rahmani with KBW. Please go ahead.
Jade Rahmani: Thank you very much. On the SFR repayment, wasn’t there supposed to be a 20% prepayment penalty?
Paul Richards: Hey, Jade. It’s Paul. Yeah. So, of course, it just matters based on yield maintenance calculations. So when rates were low back a year and a half ago and we discussed that, the prepayment penalty was a lot higher. Now that rates have traced back up to, that 5% land, the prepayment penalty was a lot less than what it was back when the rate market was a lot lower.
Jade Rahmani: So there’s going to be a $9 million prepayment penalty, correct?
Paul Richards: That’s correct.
Jade Rahmani: And that’s factored into the earnings, but there’s more than an offset to reverse the unamortized premium.
Paul Richards: That’s correct.
Jade Rahmani: Okay. Do you know what pro forma book value should be for the reversal of the unamortized premium?
Paul Richards: Yeah. It’s around -- so the reversal of the unamortized premium, it’s about a little less than a $1 of book value.
Jade Rahmani: So we should expect book value to decline by a $1?
Paul Richards: In a vacuum, if that was the only variable, yes. Of course, there could be mark-to-market movements, et cetera, on the CMBS book.
Jade Rahmani: Okay. Do you know to-date where the mark-to-market is on CMBS?
Paul Richards: It’s flat to relatively up a little bit. It’s not going game busters by any means, but it’s some bonds have been doing well from mark-to-market basis, but overall up a little bit through January. So, we’ll get marks in February coming up, and then, of course, in March and see how that works.
Brian Mitts: Being active, Jade, in the CMBS and ABS markets in the first couple months of the year, we’ve seen spreads come in quite a bit as the indices rise and as more liquidity returns. So, as we sit here today, we feel like the March will be strong.
Jade Rahmani: Okay. So that’ll hopefully be a partial offset to the book value impact.
Brian Mitts: Yeah. I mean, again, too, we like -- in terms of the trade-offs, we did de-leverage by $500 million, which is good.
Jade Rahmani: So, I was going through Howard Hughes’s transcript and their comments about the construction market, construction loan market, really caught my attention. I mean, they basically said they’ve never seen a market like this, where even getting a multifamily loan is challenging. The banks are being told to not do office. It’s totally redlined and to pull back everywhere else. So, how do you all feel about that? And on the life science sounds like it is a construction loan, based on the magnitude of future fundings and the attachment point being so low. That’s a pro forma LTC estimate. So, is construction an area you’re looking to get more active in?
Brian Mitts: Yeah. I think so, and I’d say, two things. One is the $220 million construction loan is on a 27-acre site in Cambridge, where the sponsor is a well-heeled repeat sponsor of ours and has roughly $420 million in equity into the project. This opportunity was born out of banks pulling back, trying to syndicate the senior mortgage. We were, in fact, going to do the mezz on this loan. And so, when the bank -- when the banks pulled back, we just stepped in and did a senior mortgage at basically the same rate, lower detachment point, creating a pretty attractive risk return profile. The project was also already funded in terms of equity. Two of the three buildings were built. The third is about to top out. So, from a risk reward, this one was a good one. Our storage platform has through the past decade, through our storage team, led by John Good, had a construction development pipeline whereby they would fund construction loans to developers of self-storage and take a profit participation interest. I would expect us to get more active in that space, as well as the multifamily space, as well. Because, as you mentioned, and this bodes well for multifamily and really all property types of performance in 2025 and 2026. But over the past nine months to 18 months you -- if you’re a developer, you’re hurting and can’t find access to capital. So, it is a good time, it is on our radar and we’ve already been doing it. So your money has a good nose.
Jade Rahmani: On the life science, is there a tenant already signed up, because I know there’s quite a lot of supply expected to hit this year and next year.
Brian Mitts: Yeah. That’s a rumor. A lot of the supply hitting has been pushed out to 2027 and 2028. I think half of what was planned to deliver over the next 12 months, it won’t deliver. So, if you dig into the numbers and we’re happy to share those with you. I think the supply in life sciences is fairly overstated. This particular project is one of the last to be developed in Cambridge before moratorium hits and the location, the size, the ability to take full blocks of 395,000 square feet total, we expect to be very attractive. And again, it opens its COs in 2025. It’s not like this is a far out project. So, we expect leasing velocity to do very well here. But as of today, there is no tenant. But our basis is below…
Jade Rahmani: Okay.
Brian Mitts: Our base -- I would just add one thing, our basis is land value, so.
Jade Rahmani: Okay. And then, on multifamily, lots of noise, lots of -- there’s CLO reports showing delinquencies. There’s a lot of scrutiny on some of your peers, mortgage REIT peers. But at the same time, the GSEs are showing pretty low delinquencies in their stabilized servicing portfolios that, others like Walker and Dunlop manage. So, can you just give us a sense, since you’re so active even on the equity side, of what’s going on on the ground with multifamily, some of the supply challenges and yet what looks like pretty decent credit performance?
Brian Mitts: Yeah. You bet. I think it -- I think you got to bifurcate agency versus non-agency. And just, I guess, generally in multifamily, right now, Q2 -- Q1, Q2, Q3 is the eye of the storm, the supply storm, so to speak. And then, supply wanes throughout 2024 and into 2025, it gets -- the dynamic really flips in the landlord’s favor. On the ground, the CRE CLO loans, obviously, probably, lower quality collateral are hitting air pockets. Their cash flows starve. They’re almost zombie deals to the extent that there is no cash flow to fund operations or rehabs or business plans that were conducted or created a couple years ago. So those deals are challenged and I’m not going to say you can’t work through it. Multifamily is the easiest to work through. But those are where you’re seeing the most weakness. The agency portfolios, including our own, have held up a lot better, and that makes sense, right? They’re particularly better sponsors, maybe well-located, they go through a bunch of different layers of underwriting and they’re more diversified. And so I think those deals will continue to be fine and be able to be refinanced, especially as we get through the next three or four quarters, which I think things, once the Fed decides to actually pivot, that’ll ease some pressure on the system and then getting through the supply will also help. So a little bit of a rough time in the next two or three quarters, but I do think there’s light at the end of the tunnel.
Jade Rahmani: Thanks a lot.
Brian Mitts: Thanks, Jade.
Operator: This concludes the Q&A session of today’s call. I will now turn the call back to the management team for closing remarks.
Brian Mitts: Yeah. I appreciate everybody’s time. Great questions today. We’ll look forward to speaking again soon. Thank you.
Operator: This concludes the NexPoint Real Estate Finance fourth quarter 2023 conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.
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