Addus HomeCare at BofA Conference: Strategic Growth Amid Challenges

On Wednesday, 14 May 2025, Addus HomeCare Corporation (NASDAQ:ADUS) presented a strategic overview at the BofA Securities 2025 Healthcare Conference. The company discussed its ongoing integration of Gentiva, potential impacts from Medicaid changes, and its robust M&A strategy. While Addus is optimistic about growth, especially in hospice, it faces challenges such as reimbursement uncertainties.

Key Takeaways

• Addus is integrating Gentiva as planned, with some weather-related impacts.
• The company sees Medicaid changes as a potential recruiting opportunity.
• M&A activity remains a priority, with a focus on Texas expansion.
• Strong cash flow continues, with a 75-80% EBITDA to cash conversion.
• Reimbursement uncertainties pose a challenge for the Home Health segment.

Financial Results

During the conference, Addus reported a solid financial performance for Q1. The personal care segment grew by 2% year-over-year, with aspirations to reach 2.5% growth. Hospice revenue is projected to grow between 5-7%, with Q1 exceeding expectations. The company maintains a strong cash flow, targeting a 75-80% conversion rate from GAAP EBITDA to cash.

Operational Updates

• Gentiva Integration: Integration is on track, with some top-line impact due to January weather events in Texas. The transition to Home Care Homebase is expected within 12-18 months.
• Medicaid Changes: Proposed work requirements could aid recruitment. Despite state budget cuts, Addus expects no material impact from Medicaid changes.
• Technology Rollout: A new caregiver app in Illinois and New Mexico is gaining traction, with 70-75% caregiver registration and 55% regular usage.

Future Outlook

Addus remains focused on value-based care, particularly in Texas, and is exploring preferred provider arrangements. The company aims to complete acquisitions worth $75-100 million annually, with Texas as a priority for expansion. The mix of episodic versus non-episodic Medicare Advantage contracts stands at 55% to 45%.

Q&A Highlights

• Reimbursement Concerns: Addus anticipates potential changes in reimbursement policies, with clarity expected by year-end. A rate increase of 2.5% is projected.
• M&A Strategy: The company is actively pursuing M&A opportunities, emphasizing the strength of its balance sheet to capitalize on these prospects. Texas remains a focal point for clinical expansion.

In conclusion, Addus HomeCare Corporation is navigating a complex landscape with strategic initiatives and cautious optimism. For more details, readers are encouraged to refer to the full transcript below.

Full transcript - BofA Securities 2025 Healthcare Conference:

Joanna Gajuk, Healthcare Analyst, America: Thank you for joining us. My name is Joanna Gajuk. I cover health care facilities managed care of America. Thanks so much for joining the conference and the session. So now a pleasure to to have Ada’s home care specialist David Ada.

They’re one of the largest or maybe the largest provider of personal care services in The U. S, but they also do other things. We can talk about that. But today, we’d ask, we have them by a team. So Derek Arkson, the Chairman and CEO Brad Dickhams, the COO and Brian Cox, CFO.

And I guess we’re gonna go right into q and a, gentlemen. Right? Do you agree to that? All right. So maybe first, we should start with a hot topic, maybe by by today, kinda dive on a little bit about the consideration bill, right?

So there was the house version that came out. There are a bunch of things included, but there’s some things not included, some high level thoughts about how you think about this process and the things that were included and not included, how this could impact the company.

Derek Arkson, Chairman and CEO, Ada’s Home Care Specialist: Yes. When we started looking at this a number of months back,

Brad Dickhams, COO, Ada’s Home Care Specialist: where they were talking about a lot

Derek Arkson, Chairman and CEO, Ada’s Home Care Specialist: of different things that could come into play as far as Medicaid changes, We tried to talk about the fact that we didn’t see anything out there that we felt would be material, but there’s still a lot of questions. I think what we’ve seen over the last few weeks is more of a zeroing in on what really may be out there. And I think today as we as a company sit here and look at it, there’s a couple of things that appear that will occur that we would deal with. One is work requirements. I think that’s one that we talked about earlier that could actually be a benefit and I’ll talk about how that can be.

I think the rule that came out or at least proposed rule was if they’re under the age 64 or under, they would have to put eighty hours a week, certain of them. And if you look at our personal care consumer, our personal care consumer is in their 70s, the average age. So our people that we serve are not going to be the ones required to go out and have a work requirement. On the other hand, when you think about the people that might have to do that, it would be the younger than the 64 age. Some of them may be single parent families.

Those are the type of individuals when they’re looking for work could actually be somebody we could employ. If you think about our average caregiver, probably in their late 40s, early 50s, they work twenty hours a week. And according to the rule, least has been proposed, they have to put in eighty hours a month. So that would be perfect with with, our caregiving, schedule. And if you think in terms of some of the folks that might be required to go to work, they can have issues at home that they’re dealing with as far as timing.

And we’re pretty flexible. We can give weekend hours, we can give evening hours, we can be a little bit flexible during the day. So we look at it as a potential opportunity to maybe help us as we go out and try to interview our and hire our caregivers. Some of the other things to provider tax, I think there’s no direct impact to us on the provider tax. I think the thing that the overall theme people might be asking questions about with Medicaid revolve around just total dollars.

And if you think about a state, if any of their dollars are cut, what are they going do with their Medicaid program? And that’s where I think the state’s going to look to say, first off, the population we take care of, which is elderly and disabled, is generally the population they’re still going to want to take care of in our minds. Also, we’re the low cost provider. If you think in terms of if we can keep people at home and there are some elderly patients that need more care than we can give them in a home environment, they need to be in nursing homes and other environments. But those that can stay home, that is a cheaper opportunity to take care of those patients than the state would have otherwise and in an environment the patient would rather be, which is in their home.

So again, as we look at everything, they’re not talking about per caps now, they’re not talking about some of the other lowering the matches on some of the overall plans. We really don’t see that there’s any material change to our company at this point in time. So we will continue to follow it as you would expect us to. We’re spending a lot of time with our government relations department being in Washington, making sure that we understand what’s happening. But at this point in time, we feel pretty good with what they’re talking about.

We’re gonna be fine.

Joanna Gajuk, Healthcare Analyst, America: And one item that was missing from the from this proposal was the Medicaid access rule being repealed. I guess the the staffing rule was repealed and some other things were in there. I mean, it’s a proposal. It’s not repealed. But, you know, you had talked about that.

Like, does it change anything that it wasn’t, you know, not in this in this vehicle? Does it really matter to you?

Derek Arkson, Chairman and CEO, Ada’s Home Care Specialist: Yeah. I think we’ve been talking all along with the administration about the Medicaid access rule. The thing that was discovered as we went through, I believe, because the CBO couldn’t come up with a good score, it wasn’t going to be able to be handled through the reconciliation bill. What we have been told is it will be handled. It is not a rule that the administration supports, and they’re looking at a way to move that rule.

But I think there’s also a lack of if you realize, it’s still 5.5 away. And so it’s not like the staffing rule, which was very close. So I think from our standpoint, our belief is still that the Medicare access rule will go away. Certainly, the eightytwenty component should go away. But it doesn’t seem to be something that fit into the reconciliation bill like they thought it might at first.

Joanna Gajuk, Healthcare Analyst, America: And I guess another topic related to that a little bit is there have been also some staffing cuts on HHS, CMS, and we heard about, like, something specifically on the PACE program. So is any of that somehow impacting your operations in any way? I don’t know whether processing of some approvals or payments or anything. Is there anything to be said or are you kind of not seeing much

Brad Dickhams, COO, Ada’s Home Care Specialist: of an We’re really not seeing anything. That since we a lot of the cuts and the programs that they’re talking about like PACE, that’s something that we don’t participate in. So right now, we’re not seeing any issue there.

Brian Cox, CFO, Ada’s Home Care Specialist: Could it

Brad Dickhams, COO, Ada’s Home Care Specialist: slow down approval of waiver amendments or something like that? Possibly. But there’s not any real big ones that are pending anyway for us.

Joanna Gajuk, Healthcare Analyst, America: And maybe last piece of data, what’s going on in DC around integration efforts, right? I guess, it’s not kind of slow. I mean, it’s obviously in the headlines in surgical. But like, are you seeing any impact to either your workforce or patients? And I guess, could there be something bigger, I guess, if there is something bigger that’s happening in the country?

Brad Dickhams, COO, Ada’s Home Care Specialist: Yes, not really. I mean, we looked at our workforce and kind of total employees that have kind of a green card, if you will. I mean, it’s like 600 on the personal care side. So it’s a very, very small component of our workforce. We go through eVerify for everybody anyway.

So mean, we don’t see really any material impact there.

Joanna Gajuk, Healthcare Analyst, America: All right. So I guess moving on the Geneva integration. It sounds like it’s going pretty well. So maybe you can give us more color on some of the results of this particular asset, right, because it is a sizable acquisition for the company, right? So maybe walk us through what was the census growth or anything around, are you tracking all the cost savings?

And I guess what else is there left to be done with Genceva when it comes to improving the margins there?

Brad Dickhams, COO, Ada’s Home Care Specialist: Yes. I’ll start and then you can add on some of the color on the financial side. It’s gone well. The acquisition has performed on the bottom line like we had anticipated, a little lighter on the top line, but that was really become more of a function of when we talked about weather events in January, probably disproportionately impacted Gentiva because it was in Texas and Texas don’t do ICE very well. So that was a negative impact there.

But if you look at January to February, a nice pickup. If you look at February to March, continue to see some positive trends where admissions are outpacing discharges. So they went through the redetermination process. And what we’ve seen is it takes about six months to really start seeing that kind of build back up to normal levels. And I think we’re starting to see that momentum in Texas moving back into positive territory.

With respect to integration, just real quick, really the big remaining item is one that’s probably twelve to eighteen months out, and that’s moving them to Home Care Homebase. They went through a change just back in the fall, and we didn’t think that they would want to go through another change there. Plus it’s not we’re still working on the development with the Home Care Homebase. So that will be probably the biggest remaining item. But when you think about the one that could be frankly the most disruptive was honestly payroll and benefits, and that went surprisingly well.

Joanna Gajuk, Healthcare Analyst, America: And anything to be said about any change in management or luckily since people leaving because of

Brad Dickhams, COO, Ada’s Home Care Specialist: No. I mean, it’s a one thing that’s really nice and beneficial about this acquisition, they have been through like seven transactions, very seasoned veteran group of leaders still in place that at least the ones that are running like the state of Texas, the ones that are running the private pay division and the other states. So we have not had any turnover in the leadership position. So we’ve been very stable. And I

Joanna Gajuk, Healthcare Analyst, America: guess part of our as a result of this acquisition, you’ve also been talking about growing, I guess, home health presence in Texas. So kind of how quickly, I guess, you’re going to move towards expanding, I guess, further in that market post Gentiva?

Brian Cox, CFO, Ada’s Home Care Specialist: Yes. I think that definitely has moved toward the top of our wish list from an M and A perspective is building out clinical capabilities. I think we think there’s also opportunity in Texas to continue to backfill with more personal care as well. We’re the largest in Texas, but I think there’s still a lot of opportunity to maybe fill in some sections of the map in personal care. So those are all things that we’re looking at and looking to source today.

We have a little bit of hospice around more around Central Texas today, but we definitely could use some home health and some additional hospice potentially. Some of the managed Medicaid plans in the state have expressed interest in doing some things with us on the value based front. So we can add clinical services that should definitely be helpful.

Joanna Gajuk, Healthcare Analyst, America: So yes, that’s interesting. You mentioned that because there was on my list too. In terms of the value based care, right, and especially in Texas, sounds like the payers in particular are interested in it. So in order for you to really participate, that’s why you need you put the home health assets on top of your list. Like, do you need kind of fill these blank before you can do something material or meaningful with these plans?

Or what’s the strategy there, I guess?

Brad Dickhams, COO, Ada’s Home Care Specialist: Yes. Mean, good thing, mean, what we have found and we approach value based business is really from the personal care standpoint. So where we’ve seen where opportunities for home health and hospice is actually starting with the value based program on the personal care side. We have a case management system that we utilize. We’re able to and we’re continuing to modify the algorithm to essentially identify clients that could use home benefit from home health and get transitioned to hospice.

So kind of similar to what we do in our home health to hospice portfolio using some analytics there. So you don’t have to have it. It’s really just being able to build out that continuum of care. And so you can kind of feed the different service lines through the personal care. But it starts with the personal care component with the changes in condition that our caregivers identify.

We also pull in some third party data sources as well, again, to risk or clients that instead of trying to focus on 10,000 clients, let’s focus on the 50 that may be most at risk over the next sixty days.

Joanna Gajuk, Healthcare Analyst, America: So do you already have those contracts in Texas? Or are you saying you’re working on those

Brad Dickhams, COO, Ada’s Home Care Specialist: Gentina actually had some value based contracts. They didn’t really do anything with it, honestly. It was you had a contract in place and you may or may not get an extra check, essentially. So we’re formalizing those relationships and working with the payers to build out a more robust value based component. And really, it’s not so much about the potential kind of gain share that you might get from saving the money.

It’s really about building a relationship and the volume that comes with that. That’s what we’re really focused on and working with the payers.

Joanna Gajuk, Healthcare Analyst, America: All right. So you’re saying so this is upside only type structure?

Brad Dickhams, COO, Ada’s Home Care Specialist: It’s upside only. And again, it’s just the problem with challenge with value based arrangements, particularly if you’re on an upside only arrangement and even if you’re kind of full risk, the better you do, the smaller it gets, unless you’re constantly adding more lives to the program because they’re not going pay you for what you did last year. They want to pay you for what you’re going to do this year. And so as you do better, you reduce hospitalizations by fifteen percent, that was great. We want to see another fifteen percent off of what you just did.

So it becomes a little more challenging. So really, what we approach it is one, it can help us through kind of service line synergies, continuing with care, being able to build that out and maximize that, but then also just building kind of volume and relationships with the payers.

Joanna Gajuk, Healthcare Analyst, America: So to grow volumes, I guess, under this comfort, you’re saying this is sort of like an exclusive almost where you like have a preferential treatment on the left and

Brad Dickhams, COO, Ada’s Home Care Specialist: Those are the things we’re discussing. It’s fine. And we’re not going get an you’re not going to see an exclusive, I don’t think. But can we get build out some sort of preferred provider arrangement? Somebody heard talking to them about doing that.

But that’s, again, the way we’re approaching the value base is not so much how much can we get from the value based component. It’s really about trying to build out the volume side of it.

Joanna Gajuk, Healthcare Analyst, America: And I guess since we’re talking about GenTiva, and it’s, again, like, sizable acquisition for the company, so should we expect more acquisitions this year? Or are you kind of like pausing to first digest it? And also, yes, it sounds like home health in Texas is priority. So like, is this some sort of like order list of things you’re going to focus on this year?

Brad Dickhams, COO, Ada’s Home Care Specialist: Yes. Mean, from a bandwidth standpoint, we’ve learned a lot over all the acquisitions that we’ve done. We’ve really built out a pretty strong integration process. Long way of saying, we’re not on the sidelines. So we’re still looking.

So we’re not constrained by any resources. Yes.

Brian Cox, CFO, Ada’s Home Care Specialist: Was really a big component of the we did the follow on last year after we announced Genceva, was to keep our balance sheet in a position where we could be opportunistic. So I think we definitely want to continue to be active in M and A.

Joanna Gajuk, Healthcare Analyst, America: And in the past, you talked about, I guess, dollars 75 to 100,000,000 composition per year. So is it still sort of a good framework or maybe the number is a little bit bigger now?

Derek Arkson, Chairman and CEO, Ada’s Home Care Specialist: Brian, do you want to take that?

Brian Cox, CFO, Ada’s Home Care Specialist: No, I think it’s still a good target for us. So I think obviously market conditions are going to play into what your opportunities are. But I think just generally long term, we still would like to complete in that range. Think some years, may not have that opportunity, it might be some smaller things. You might have a year like a Gentiva where you’re going to far exceed that with a larger acquisition.

But I think generally, I think we still think that’s something that’s reasonable to do to the synergies right there.

Joanna Gajuk, Healthcare Analyst, America: And I guess maybe switching gears to underlying performance of these different business lines. So starting with personal variable rate of business for you. So when I look at it, sales or census declined in the quarter, but the hours actually grew 2% year over year. So that was year over year. So that was 2%, I guess, I assume that’s hours for the year.

Right? So what gives you confidence in that number for the year and kind of how you’re tracking maybe through April? Yes.

Brad Dickhams, COO, Ada’s Home Care Specialist: I mean, think we’re obviously pleased with the Q1, especially with this kind of a soft January with the weather events. So growing at the 2% on the hours basis, I still feel good about the kind of 2%, maybe we can press 25 there. I think that from the census perspective, we went through the redetermination process last year. It kind of depends on when the state went through it. If you look like a state like New Mexico went through redeterminations probably midyear last year, you’re starting to see that census growth now.

It seems to take almost six months for them to kind of get back on track. We’re starting to see that a bit in Texas as well. That probably would more in the October by September, October, maybe August market for us. So starting to see discharges level out. So they’re kind of down to the level as they were kind of pre redetermination.

This has taken them a little while to kind of ramp up the on the admission side and the referral side. So optimistic that Census should by the end of the year, we should be on track to grow Census. And I still think the hour side, I still feel pretty good about the 2%, two point five %, just because we’re doing a better job with servicing clients. And we’ve done some things from a technology standpoint to help us increase that service percentage.

Joanna Gajuk, Healthcare Analyst, America: So maybe you can expand on that actually on this technology. So is it rolled out across the market? And I guess, sounds like you made it sound like it’s going well. So maybe is there something more, I guess, to be done?

Brad Dickhams, COO, Ada’s Home Care Specialist: Yes. There’s actually a lot more to be done on that. We rolled it out in Illinois. So that’s our largest market and had really positive adoption of it. You kind of build an application and you’re kind of wondering are they going to use it as one more app to download.

So we’ve built in a fair amount of functionality to make it where it’s a one stop shop so they can go open the app, they can access their EDV system, they can access the payroll system easily. So good adoption in Illinois. And we’ve seen I think we have about 70% caregivers that registered, 70%, seventy five %. And then just kind of regular users is around 55%. We’re rolling it out now in the process in New Mexico.

We had to wait for a Spanish translation. So we’ve completed that. The challenge with rolling it out today because this is kind of the fundamental challenge with Medicaid and being a multistate provider, every state is different. And so you have to customize the programming of the application to fit that state’s rules around it. But one of the features in Illinois that we have rolled out and we’re rolling out in New Mexico, feature that allows the caregiver to be able to see that I’m going to under serve my clients by X number of hours and it allows the caregiver to work with the client to adjust the schedules to pick up those additional hours that are authorized.

And they do it without having to involve our local office staff at all. They can adjust their schedules and it just feeds into our system. We’ve seen some good uptake with that functionality. So I think there’s features there. And the other component that’s there is also updating their availability.

We know that caregivers and most of them want to work more hours, not less. And the opportunities for them to in real time to update their availability that then feeds into our kind of workflows at the local office level. So they’ll be able This caregiver says they’re, you know, they’re working twenty hours a week. I wanna work thirty.

Let’s see if we can find an extra ten hours for them.

Joanna Gajuk, Healthcare Analyst, America: And so you’re talking about employees. Right? So maybe you can give us an update where you send on hours in terms of wages, I guess, growth and retention and hiring?

Brad Dickhams, COO, Ada’s Home Care Specialist: Yes. So on the hiring, I’ll take that one first. On the right front, on personal care, we’re in a good place. And when you even factor in Gentiva, had set a goal for the company overall on the hires per business day and I probably should have been more aggressive because we kind of hit that out of the gate. So I feel good about where we are from a hiring standpoint on personal care.

Wage pressure on personal care, you may have some in some smaller markets, but it’s kind of just 1D2D type stuff. Most of our a large portion of our workforce is CBA driven, so collective bargaining. And so those don’t really reopen unless there’s a rate increase. So you’re able to kind of keep margins pretty consistent. On the clinical side, hiring is good.

I think we still have some it’s still more challenging than personal care, and it probably will be for the foreseeable future, but we’re not in a position where we’re constrained from a growth perspective because of hiring. It’s just could be better. You’re seeing a little bit more wage pressure there, but it’s moderating. I think we were in a 4% to 5% environment. So I think it’s been steadily improving over the last twelve to eighteen months.

Joanna Gajuk, Healthcare Analyst, America: And since we switch a little bit to clinical businesses, so maybe we can talk about, I guess, home health as it relates to also recession because that’s another topic. At some point, the market was worried, hey, we might be coming into recession. I guess you just brought up the excuse me, the concept around sounds like the labor is not on the issue in home health and doing a really good job in personal care. So how should we think about recession, if there was a recession, right? How this business has performed in prior cycles?

Maybe you can remind us, I guess, care and also patch on the clinical side. Yes.

Derek Arkson, Chairman and CEO, Ada’s Home Care Specialist: I don’t think when you

Brad Dickhams, COO, Ada’s Home Care Specialist: think about clinical side, I don’t really there’s minimal impact. I mean, you need home health or you need hospice and hospice doesn’t have co pays. So there’s really not much of a if you have a knee surgery, you have a knee surgery or a hip replacement or a cardiac event. So I don’t think recession really plays in there. On the personal care side, as long as it’s not a prolonged deep recession that might negatively impact state budgets, it’s actually probably a little bit of a tailwind for us because you probably open up more caregivers opportunities.

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Joanna Gajuk, Healthcare Analyst, America: Just looking down my list. And I guess, yes, so we wanted to push through to Home Health, and I was asking your question, but also maybe we can touch a little bit about reimbursement. Right? So kind of what’s your expectations for the upcoming year? And more important, how you think this, big recruitment is going to play out, if at all?

Is there something to be said about, hey, maybe CMS will try to push it again? Or do they have to address it? And then if they do, are they going to come out and say something like ten year phase in of this recruitment? How are

Derek Arkson, Chairman and CEO, Ada’s Home Care Specialist: guys thinking about that for him? Yes. I think that is the challenging part of home health right now, and it’s one, I think we’ve been saying for three or four years, we felt the government would eventually change their attack, so to speak, on the rate environment in home health, and it hasn’t happened yet. That being the case, will be interesting to see if the new administration takes a different approach to home health. I believe some of the new folks in CMS believe in home health.

So our thinking would be once we see if rates get back to a more normal cadence, we’ve been getting very little rate increases, but we get back up to that 2.5% rate increase, that makes the industry a lot more exciting. I think then you have to talk about the potential clawback. And that’s the thing that’s really an unknown. I think what you talked about is probably the only way it can be handled. If they do believe there needs to be a recruitment, I think it’s going to have to be over a period of time with an annual adjustment negative factor to any rate increase that would be.

And I think to do it to any other way to the industry would be very difficult. So we don’t know. We have heard that potentially something will be decided by the end of the year, but we’re kind of waiting. It’s been an interesting time for us because certainly, as we’ve talked about, home health could be is a viable part of our service. It’s something that we’d like to do a little more growth in.

Right now, it’s running just over 5% of our business and it’s one that we’ve kind of been careful, especially the last twelve months. So we’d love to do some more growth in Texas around both home health and hospice as well as personal care. But as far as the home health itself, we think we’re going to wait to see the next few months what the government brings out.

Joanna Gajuk, Healthcare Analyst, America: And I guess in home health, what are your stand on Medicare Advantage in terms of the mix of these contracts, episode and versus representative? At some point, the company was clearly exiting some of these contracts that didn’t make sense. So is there more, you know, to be done or you kinda where you wanna be? And I guess, you know, where you are, I guess, don’t manage curbside because they complain about trend and such. So is it getting harder to kind of make some progress there in getting some better rates?

Brad Dickhams, COO, Ada’s Home Care Specialist: Yes. I mean, we’ve had some success on getting some increases in per visit rates. Currently, our kind of episodic, non episodic mix, when you look at traditional Medicare plus our episodic Medicare Advantage, we’re at around 55%, forty five % in favor of episodic. And that really hasn’t changed a whole lot. I think we had over the past twelve months, it may have gone from 56.44% to 55.45% from a revenue standpoint.

Well, from a volume standpoint, I should say. So we haven’t seen a lot of mix change there. We are having ongoing discussions with payers about moving to some sort of episodic or case rate. I think a lot of that is because of the Gentiva transaction. Honestly, on the personal care side, we’ve become a much larger provider for a lot of these payers.

And so that has opened up some doors to talk in terms of getting some national support for at least starting with some state So we’re in active discussions on looking at some case rate contracts with some of the larger payers. Still work to be done there. But it will be an interesting year for us. But mix wise, we’ve been pretty stable.

Joanna Gajuk, Healthcare Analyst, America: All right. And I guess moving on, because we didn’t talk about it yet, right? But hospice is bigger than home health for you guys. So it sounds like wellness actually did accelerate nicely in Q1, Right? So are you finally getting traction there?

You know, because, I guess, kind of that business was kinda slow to, you know, I guess, recover post the pandemic and the mortality and such. So from here, should we expect this kind of type of growth that you saw in Q1 to continue? Yes.

Brad Dickhams, COO, Ada’s Home Care Specialist: I mean, we have a kind of long term, we expect kind of a 5% to 7% revenue growth for hospice. We exceeded that in Q1. I think we’ll be at the top end or above the five percent to seven for this year. We are starting to see, I think just industry wide, we’ve gone through COVID was had the biggest impact on hospice of any of our segments. When you saw it’s kind of interesting home health was almost like a V shaped recovery.

I mean, it got just crushed and then within months it was kind of

Derek Arkson, Chairman and CEO, Ada’s Home Care Specialist: back

Brad Dickhams, COO, Ada’s Home Care Specialist: to recover. Personal care certainly was a little bit more of a drag over that time period, but we got great rate supports that helped us. Hospice was the one that has taken the longest to recover. I think the excess deaths from COVID have largely filtered through the system and you’re now starting to see the favorable demographics of the aging population start to come back. There were some things that were in place during the public health emergency that allowed or incentivized SNFs to skill patients longer that probably would have been transferred to hospice.

Those are now gone. And I think you’re starting to see a normalization of one, length of stay and utilization. It’s a favorable dynamic. So I am pretty confident that we’ll be at the high end of that five to seven this year and probably a little over it.

Joanna Gajuk, Healthcare Analyst, America: We only have a few seconds. In fact, I want to ask that in terms of the cash flow outlook for the year, how we should think about it? I mean, I think I know the answer, but talk about the uses of capital deployment strategy.

Brian Cox, CFO, Ada’s Home Care Specialist: Yes. I think cash flow for us has been pretty consistent, pretty strong in the last few years. I think we expect that to continue this year. I think we’ve talked in terms of conversion rate of 75%, eighty % of GAAP EBITDA to cash. We’ll see a little bit of up and down, usually with timing of AR this year, but nothing that we’re looking at that should really impact that.

But uses of cash for the moment, I think we still have a decent amount of debt on our balance sheet, even though we’re at a low leverage, but we’ll continue to make progress on paying down the revolver, mitigating interest expense at the moment. And where we could buy into M and A, we definitely would like to deploy capital in M and A with those opportunities.

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