Bombardier Inc (TSX:BBDb). (BBD.B), the Canadian aerospace company, held its third-quarter earnings call on October 30, 2024, reporting a robust financial performance with total revenues reaching $2.1 billion, marking a 12% increase from the same quarter the previous year. The company's service revenue hit a record $528 million, contributing significantly to the overall revenue. Adjusted EBITDA also saw an uptick, rising 8% to $307 million.
The management team, led by CEO Éric Martel, provided insights into the company's strategic focus, including the expansion of its aftermarket services and the successful first flight of the Pegasus program, as well as the anticipation of a strong fourth quarter with substantial free cash flow and deliveries.
Key Takeaways
- Total (EPA:TTEF) revenues for Q3 2024 increased by 12% year-over-year to $2.1 billion.
- Service revenue reached a record high of $528 million.
- Adjusted EBITDA rose to $307 million, an 8% increase from Q3 2023.
- The company celebrated the first flight of the Pegasus program and noted strong growth in the Global 7500 and upcoming Global 8000 aircraft.
- Bombardier (OTC:BDRBF) expects a robust Q4 with $650 million in free cash flow from 56 deliveries and $482 million in aftermarket revenues.
Company Outlook
- Bombardier is on track to meet full-year guidance for revenues and EBITDA.
- Management anticipates a strong Q4 with significant free cash flow and higher aircraft deliveries.
- The company is exploring capacity expansion in its aftermarket services, particularly in the U.S. and Middle East.
- Bombardier aims to maintain stable production rates for its Globals and Challengers into 2025.
- Strategic focus includes capital allocation towards reinvestment, potential shareholder rewards, and debt repayment.
Bearish Highlights
- Supply chain issues, especially with engine supplies, have marginally impacted gross margins.
- The U.S. market showed mixed performance, with some regions experiencing softness.
Bullish Highlights
- Aftermarket services are projected to reach $2 billion in revenue soon.
- The company reported a stable backlog and strong customer relationships.
- Optimism about future delivery stability as the supply chain normalizes.
Misses
- Inventory levels increased by approximately $800 million to support projected Q4 deliveries and growth for the upcoming year.
Q&A Highlights
- The company discussed internal capital allocation discussions, focusing on reinvestment, shareholder rewards, and debt repayment.
- Martel expressed confidence in the company's positioning with fleet operators and defense contracts.
- The company confirmed a robust pipeline of engineers and mechanics to support operations.
Bombardier's Q3 2024 earnings call painted a picture of a company that is successfully navigating through supply chain challenges and positioning itself for future growth. With a strong quarter behind them and strategic plans for expansion and capital allocation, Bombardier is poised for continued success in the aerospace industry.
Full transcript - None (BOMBF) Q3 2024:
Operator: Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. And welcome to the Bombardier Third Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. Please be advised that this call is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Mr. Francis Richer de La Fleche, Vice President, FP&A and Investor Relations for Bombardier. Please go ahead, sir.
Francis Richer de La Fleche: Good morning, everyone. And welcome to Bombardier’s earnings call for the third quarter ended September 30, 2024. I wish to remind you that during the course of this call, we may make projections or other forward-looking statements regarding future events or the financial performance of the corporation. There are risks that actual events or results may differ materially from these statements. For additional information on forward-looking statements and underlying assumptions, please refer to the MD&A. I am making this cautionary statement on behalf of each speaker on this call. With me today is our President and Chief Executive Officer, Éric Martel; and our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Bart Demosky, to review our operations and financial results for the third quarter of 2024. I would now like to turn over the discussion to Éric.
Éric Martel: [Foreign Language] So, good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. I am delighted to speak to you about another very positive quarter for Bombardier. Our services strategy yielded record results. Our aircraft sales team is very active in helping sustain our cruising altitude of 1 on the book-to-bill. And finally, our defense team continues to put points on the board. The Pegasus program is a great example. A few weeks ago, we just celebrated the first flight of Pegasus aircraft along with our partners at HENSOLDT and Lufthansa Technik. This marks the beginning of the flight testing phases for this new generation German program. Turning to the results, Bart and I will go through the details of our performance shortly. But let me start by taking a minute to provide some color on how we are shaping up to close the year. All the ingredients are in place to deliver our fourth quarter and our 2024 guidance. Clearly, the fourth quarter has always trended as the busiest in the industry. This year is no different, with the exception being that we are still working through the same supply chain headache as the rest of the industry. I am happy to reaffirm that we are all prepared. I review our operations daily, and as of today, we have excellent line of sight on all deliveries for the next two months. Our team has worked hard to ensure inventories are in place and the completion sites are equipped to do what they do best. When it comes to service volumes, it’s simply steady as it goes and it’s been steadily going up year-after-year. It’s a great business for us. We continue to grow or capture rate by making things easy for customers and ramping up new facilities. We are well on our way to meet our long-term growth targets with room to spare. In terms of keeping our book-to-bill on pace, the market is well balanced and is providing to be resilient. Of course, that doesn’t mean it’s excellent everywhere all at once. But that being said, we continue to be successful because we focus on what we control. We have ramped up our international presence to build deep relationships with customers. The same is true on the defense side. With this strategic approach, Bombardier remains ahead of the curve on nurturing customer relationships to capture emerging opportunities as they arise. Not chasing the market is important to drive operational predictability. We have booths on the ground everywhere in the world. And ultimately, our family-like approach has set us apart and elevated our brand. Geographical markets are just as important as customer segments. We are diversified and perform on both fronts. I am happy to underline that today’s reported backlog stands at exactly the same point as last year, thanks to the diversity in terms of both geography and customer types. Having exceptional products always goes a long way. The Global 8000 is a great example of our ability to not just push boundaries, but also define them for the industry. The Global 8000 will be the fastest civilian aircraft since the Concorde. I am proud to say that our team has their brand on the first units -- their hands on the first unit, sorry. In case you missed it, at NBAA base this year, we announced that program reduction has begun with our site in Texas, Quebec and Mexico, working on the first major structures. We also celebrated reaching more than 60 speed records on the Global 7500. This plane’s first years of service have been remarkable. The plane has flown circles around the competition and the globe, making the most of a five-year head start. This year, the Global 7500 fleet will grow to more than 200 aircraft. I have the privilege to personally meet customers around the world as they select the Global 7500 or prepare for delivery. I could easily fill this entire call-up with the great stories they have shared in terms of what the plane’s performance envelope has unlocked for their productivity. But we are here, of course, to review the third quarter. The standout TPI is also closely tied up to our customer. We reached $528 million of service revenue on a total of more than $2 billion for the quarter. Those results speak for themselves in terms of how we have elevated both the client experience and our ability to execute the plan. These efforts were also recognized in an industry survey where Bombardier service offering placed first versus industry peers. Overall, we are successfully ramping up large service expansion. We are capturing more heavy maintenance, as well as capturing power by our customers who opt into our smart part services. Bombardier innovated that model decades ago, and today it has expanded to include offering for scheduled and unscheduled maintenance, and digital services like Smart Link Plus, for which we see a high uprate at time of delivery. Speaking of deliveries, we landed on a solid mix with 30 units, even after pulling some into the second quarter as we discussed last July. Considering this and the typical Q3 seasonality related to vacation periods, this is a very solid performance by our team. On the profit side, we continue to see year-over-year growth, reaching $307 million of adjusted EBITDA. That’s 8% more than the same quarter last year. Bart will go into further detail in just a moment, but I do want to underline that our team has performed extremely well managing the business and maximizing the bottomline. We have given ourselves room to maneuver in a flexible and agile way. These are without a doubt two important attributes to keep in a dynamic environment. It allows the entire team to remain laser-focused on our priority of deleveraging. A recent example of this is increasing our credit revolving facility by $150 million, subsequent to quarter end. Overall, we have set ourselves up to succeed in 2024 and make it another milestone year for Bombardier. I continue to be very encouraged by our strong fundamentals, by our year-over-year growth and by overall momentum in all parts of the business. All of this has led us to be recognized as part of the TSX30 list for the second year in a row. This recognition from the Toronto Stock Exchange for the top-performing companies on the TSX is a big accomplishment for the team as it takes our performance for the past three years into consideration. To cover more on that and our detailed financial, I’d like to hand the call over to Bart.
Bart Demosky: Thank you, Éric, and good morning, everyone. As you just heard, the last few months were certainly filled with many important achievements for Bombardier. The TSX30 recognition underlines our strong performance and success over the last three years and we continue to take steps to remain successful for years to come. I’m particularly proud of our services team’s performance, including their recent number one industry ranking that Éric just mentioned, as well as the strong financial results they have delivered with a 28% year-over-year growth in service revenues to a new quarterly record of $528 million in sales. We’ve talked about the significant growth profile for this business and I’m confident that this impressive growth will continue well beyond the end of this decade. On the aircraft side, our manufacturing and supply chain teams continue their tireless efforts to keep our deliveries in line with our plan and order activity remains balanced with deliveries, allowing us to stay on track with our target book-to-bill of 1 times. Financially, we’ve delivered a solid quarter. Revenues and profitability are up year-over-year, and we’re on track to deliver our full year guidance. We’ve also continued to strengthen our balance sheet and ended the quarter with $1.2 billion in liquidity, which excludes the $150 million increase in our secured revolver that we announced today. Deleveraging remains our top priority for excess cash and we will continue to be opportunistic in the debt capital markets over the months to come. All put together, our team is performing exceptionally well. We are taking the steps necessary to secure a strong future for our company and we are demonstrating resilience, especially in the face of heightened geopolitical tensions and continued challenges in the supply chain. So let’s turn to our financial performance for the third quarter in a bit more detail. We reached consolidated revenues of $2.1 billion, representing 12% year-over-year growth. This increase comes from an impressive $114 million or 28% increase in aftermarket revenues, as well as a $92 million increase in manufacturing and other revenues linked to aircraft mix and higher pricing. Moving to profitability, our adjusted EBITDA for the third quarter totaled $307 million, representing an 8% or $22 million increases -- increase versus Q3 of last year. Our adjusted EBITDA margin was 14.8%, which is down slightly from the 15.4% we had for the same quarter of 2023. However, year-over-year, we saw solid margin conversion from our incremental aftermarket revenues and improved aircraft mix. Pricing gains for the quarter were offset by cost inflation, as well as disruption costs related to our supply chain. Margins were also diluted by some non-recurring costs, including additional expenses linked to share-based compensation programs following the strong run-up in our stock price during the quarter. Adjusted EBIT was $201 million, a 4% increase from the third quarter last year, with an EBIT margin of 9.7%, and adjusted net income was $81 million, representing $0.74 of earnings per share. Looking at free cash flow, we had $127 million of cash usage in the quarter. This usage includes investments of $149 million in inventories and $46 million in CapEx. Our cash interest expense is $60 million and advances reduced by $33 million, simply as the result of normal order and delivery mix fluctuations. Finally, we had some annual planned pension contributions in the quarter, as well as one-time outflow in July related to the settlement of the New York Bondholder Lawsuit. Looking ahead to the end of the year, we remain on track with our full year guidance across all metrics. We are expecting a very active fourth quarter for deliveries, and as Éric mentioned, we are well positioned to meet our delivery target. We are also expecting continued strong aftermarket performance, which, combined with higher year-over-year delivery activity, will be the key drivers to our full year guidance for revenues and EBITDA. Turning to free cash flow, the cash profile so far this year has been right in line with our expectations. Much like Q4 2023, where we delivered almost $650 million of positive free cash flow on 56 deliveries and $482 million in aftermarket revenues, we expect even stronger cash flow generation this year as we deliver more aircraft, as well as incremental aftermarket growth. We expect the cash flow generation to be driven by a significant reversal in inventory, combined with strong EBITDA contribution and continued stable order activity. To conclude, we are well positioned to close out Q4 in a strong fashion and we are looking forward to continued success in 2025 and beyond. With that, let me turn the mic back over to Francis to begin the Q&A.
Francis Richer de La Fleche: Thanks, Bart. I’d like to remind you that the Bombardier Investor Relations team is available following the call and in the coming days to answer any questions you may have. For the question period, please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. With that, we will open it up for questions. Operator?
Operator: Thank you, sir. [Operator Instructions] First, we will hear from Konark Gupta at Scotiabank (TSX:BNS). Please go ahead.
Unidentified Analyst: Hi. This is Eli [ph] sitting in for Konark. Good morning, everyone. My first question…
Éric Martel: Yeah. Good morning.
Unidentified Analyst: Good morning. My first question is on aftermarket. Where do you see any potential need for capacity expansion in your aftermarket services business and would you be more inclined to tuck-in or organically add that capacity?
Éric Martel: Yeah. I think this is a great question. The team right now, we’re in the midst of developing our strat plan and we are having a discussion right now about what’s our next move into the aftermarket to even grow it further and support the plan we have. So, clearly, geographically, there is -- the U.S. remains an area where we will have to do something, which we are thinking about right now. And I would say also, I think Middle East is another area where we are working on right now. We have already added capacity quite significantly about two years ago in Singapore. But still, this is growing so fast around the globe that every single region right now we have things in consideration. So, clearly, our strategy of bring your jet home is delivering the expected results as you’ve seen. We’ve more than doubled the business actually over the last four years, five years since we started that journey and we are contemplating to even grow it further between now and 2030. So the team is active right now. We’ll make some announcement in due time. But clearly, you may think about pretty much overall everywhere we’re going to have to grow our capacity to be able to cope with the work right now.
Unidentified Analyst: Thank you. That’s helpful. And maybe just one more on outlook.
Éric Martel: Thank you.
Unidentified Analyst: And maybe just one more on outlook. Based on the current backlog and your discussion with customers, how do you think about the production rates for Globals and Challengers heading into 2025?
Éric Martel: Yeah. So, I think, as we said during Investor Day, we see quite a bit of stability in terms of production rate for the future years. And as I stand today, we still have that conclusion. So we do foresee, as I said, we have exactly the same dollar backlog or plus or minus that what we had a year ago. So the team has been successful despite the increased number of delivery to keep that backlog -- overall backlog. So the demand remains pretty solid and sufficient for us to be able to preserve that backlog. So you know our target. We never look at it quarter-by-quarter, but if you look at the overall year, and I think the number I just quoted supports that, is to have a book-to-bill of 1. So today we said we think about $150 plus in the next few years and that’s still what we’re seeing.
Unidentified Analyst: Thanks for the color. I appreciate the time. That’s all my question.
Éric Martel: Thank you so much. Thanks for your question.
Operator: Next (LON:NXT) question will be from Seth Seifman at J.P. Morgan. Please go ahead, Seth.
Seth Seifman: Hey. Thanks very much and good morning.
Éric Martel: Good morning.
Seth Seifman: Good morning. Just wanted to ask, you mentioned kind of the supply chain challenges that are out there and the operating environment. If we look at gross margin, I think it was down a little bit year-on-year. Services was up as a portion of the mix and the mix was also a little bit more global oriented for the year ago quarter. And so when we think about what’s kind of putting pressure on the gross margin, should we think about that kind of representing the inefficiencies that are out there in the supply chain?
Éric Martel: Absolutely. This is the main thing that I think explains a very small margin dilution maybe, but so there -- they can be considered like as a one timer kind of thing. So -- and we’re not talking about big dollar here, probably $10 million more of EBITDA would have made the same percentage. But clearly, the supply chain disruption remain. This is one thing that I’m telling you we’re working extremely hard. The good news is that I think we have less supplier impacting us, but some of the supplier have not improved. And as you know, we need all the bits and pieces to be able to deliver the airplane. So, and especially I said that before, engine remain the main area for us and I think it’s not a Bombardier issue, it’s an industry issue. I think we’ve been fairly well in that circumstances. We’ve met our guidance in the last two years in the deliveries, where I think one of the only OEM, if not the only that has been successful doing that and we are still going to do it this year again.
Bart Demosky: Yeah. Seth, if I could -- this is Bart. If I could just add one thing to Éric’s comments. We did have a couple of one timers in the quarter, one specifically related to long-term incentive comp. It’s one of those things that happens when you have great success and your share price runs up very materially, and we had to take a booking for that and that amount actually was in excess of the $10 million that Éric mentioned, which is the difference between $14.8 million and $15.4 million. So actually, when you look at it on an all-in basis, we had an improvement year-over-year when we take that one timer out.
Seth Seifman: Okay. Excellent.
Éric Martel: Thanks.
Seth Seifman: Good to know. And I’ll stick to one this morning. Thank you very much.
Éric Martel: Thank you, Seth.
Bart Demosky: Yeah. Thanks.
Éric Martel: Thank you, Seth.
Operator: The next question will be from James McGrail at RBC. Please go ahead, James.
Unidentified Analyst: Hi. This is Louis [ph] on for James. Good morning.
Éric Martel: Yeah. Good morning, Louis.
Unidentified Analyst: So I just wanted to follow up on the announcement from Wheels Up. Do you see that as a tailwind for services revenue long-term and do you see further opportunities from fleet operators, either moving to your product or servicing directly with you?
Éric Martel: Absolutely. I think you’ve seen, I think, we’ve been bullish on our CPU business and the potential growth. As you know, we have a lot of airplanes in the field out there. Think about a program like the 300 that became the 350 and the 3500. So there is close to 1,000 airplanes in service. Some of them are starting to age. They make a lot of sense for a lot of customers and the example you just provided is one of them. But clearly, there’s people looking out there to take these airplanes, refurbish them and do all the maintenance that is needed. So that’s clearly a potential for us and the opportunity is clearly out there for us to do this, because I think with our certified pre-owned program, we bring probably more value than the average. There are people that can do it in recertifying, providing warranty, and so on and so forth.
Unidentified Analyst: Great. And then for my next question, just thinking long-term, looking at 2025 free cash flow targets, if we think about the opportunity longer term, some growth in defense, steady margin improvement in globals and services, interest cost savings, paying down debt, no tax, balanced net working capital, this translates to a double-digit free cash flow CAGR out to 2023. Are we thinking about that correctly?
Bart Demosky: Yes. Bart here. I think you laid out our whole strategy actually quite well there and would agree. We are looking at a very strong free cash flow generation from the core business, which is key. As we continue to grow EBITDA, we have very strong conversion rates to free cash flow. We have several hundred million of EBITDA growth in the plan for next year and we’ve been very candid and clear about that and with that strong conversion, we’re looking at a period that we’re going to come into where free cash flow is going to be a big part of our story and value proposition. So I think, yes, you’ve got that right. That’s certainly how we’re looking at it. And the key for us, and Éric mentioned earlier, we’re right in our strategic planning cycle right now, is how do we deploy that cash the most effectively to drive value for all of our investors and stakeholders? So that’s the big item on the menu for us and we’re thinking through that right now.
Éric Martel: Clearly through our scrap planning exercise this year, I would say capital allocation was one of the main subjects. How do we do it in the next five years to six years to have the best return for our shareholders?
Unidentified Analyst: Great. Thank you. I’ll turn the line over.
Bart Demosky: Thank you.
Éric Martel: Thank you.
Operator: Next question will be from Benoit Poirier at Desjardins. Please go ahead, Benoit.
Benoit Poirier: Yes. Good morning, everyone. First question, when we look at the increase in inventory and working cap, I was wondering if you could provide further details about what drove the increase in inventory, whether it was to support the supply chain issues or further investment to support the steeper growth in deliveries next year. And following this larger than expected investment in the third quarter, should we expect you to come to the lower end of the free cash flow guidance for the year?
Bart Demosky: Hey. Good morning, Benoit. It’s Bart here. So, yeah, on inventory, third quarter in a row, very consistent with last year actually that we had inventory growth. Obviously, we planned for about 40% of our deliveries to come in the fourth quarter, same as last year. So that’s a very significant number of deliveries and we do need to build inventory to meet that demand, plus starting to put the pieces of the puzzle in place for growth next year. That in Q1, because we really emptied the manufacturing facilities and finishing center in the fourth quarter, we need to be prepared to start to go back to work because there’s literally no aircraft when you walk back into the sites on January 1st. So that’s a part of it and it’ll continue to be that way, about $800 million in build so far this year. When we look at free cash flow for the year, Benoit, really all the guidance I can give you right now is what we’ve said so far that we expect to meet our guidance for the year. That if you look at last year relative to the first three quarters, how the fourth quarter performed, we’re expecting another strong free cash flow performance in the fourth quarter. We have many deliveries to do and as Éric mentioned, sales activity remains very balanced and positive. That’s really all I can give you for guidance right now.
Benoit Poirier: Okay. That’s great. Just to come back on the -- in terms of follow-up, just to come back on the free cash flow, obviously a pretty solid outlook going forward. I would be curious to get any additional thoughts on the capital allocation and where are you right now in your discussion and options that you’re looking at versus the comments you made earlier at the Investor Day. I was wondering if there was some progress in terms of capital allocation discussion?
Éric Martel: No. I think, Benoit, this is a great question and we’re in the middle, as I said, to work out our strategic plan and clearly capital allocation was one of the main subjects. We’ve started to discuss it internally with the Board and with everybody, but I think you need to think about this the same way we mentioned it at Investor Day, that we will definitely, of course, have to reinvest in our business. We’re thinking of derivatives. We have a defense business now that we need to think about, but also, we need to think about how we could reward the shareholder, which could be a different form. We’ve mentioned that it could be buyback and things like that. So we’re going to have to think about all this. Of course, one of the main options could be also to reimburse even further in terms of debt. Those are all in play. We haven’t quantified. We’re starting to, and we’re going to have to be opportunistic and see how things are evolving, but that’s how you should be thinking about it for now.
Benoit Poirier: That’s great color. Thank you very much for your time.
Éric Martel: Yes. Thank you, Benoit.
Operator: Next question will be from Tim James at TD Cowen. Please go ahead, Kim.
Tim James: Thank you very much. Good morning, everyone. First question is on the aftermarket services revenue. Very, very good quarter. Is it fair to assume that this growth rate moderates going forward? And then I’m just trying to understand if there’s anything from here that just caused such a great quarter. I’m not suggesting maybe it steps back down, but just in terms of the growth rate, was there particular new facilities of significant size that came online or what really was behind that great result?
Éric Martel: Yeah. So I think, looking at it quarter-per-quarter is one thing, but if you look at the trend moving forward, this business is going to continue to grow for us significantly. I think we’ve said that at Investor Day. We’re going to be achieving $2 billion of aftermarket revenue fairly soon. But then after that, you need to think about the install base. As I like to say, we have a bit more than 5,200 airplanes right now. Every year, we’re going to be adding about 150. There’s about 50 retiring. So the install base on its own is growing. So and we’re working at capturing, with our footprint, more market share. So all this to say that we have an aggressive plan to grow market share, and we’ve been successful so far. This year, we’ll be in the zone of about 50% or close to. We started that journey being at 32%, 33% market share. So the market share is growing. The base -- the install base is growing quite significantly. So we have a clear line of sight. On top of it, the airplanes that are in the base are maturing. We’re replacing usually smaller airplanes by bigger airplanes, which require more maintenance and are more expensive to maintain. So this is a great story for us. So just the long-term trend -- actually, I say long-term, but some of them are pretty short-term. That’s what you’ve seen. Starting to deliver -- we’ve been delivering growth from quarter-to-quarter for the last four years and we’re very excited about what we are seeing in front of us. So we like that business, the margins are good, and it keeps going up. So that’s how we’re thinking about this.
Tim James: Great. Thanks, Éric.
Éric Martel: Thank you so much.
Operator: Next question will be from Myles Walton at Wolfe Research. Please go ahead, Myles.
Myles Walton: Thank you. I had another question on aftermarket, if I could. Is there a change in the underlying product or service mix of your aftermarket today versus a few years ago when you had only one-third of the market share? That is, are you insourcing more of other aspects of the aftermarket and is there any resultant impact on the margin profile of the mix?
Éric Martel: Yeah. So this is -- so we’re doing a couple of things. The product mix is helpful. We have a lot more global and more global and very often, I was talking about 50 airplanes retiring a year. Usually, there’s a big mix of Learjet part of that. So, we have bigger airplanes. The other thing we’ve done is not only to go and capture the heavy maintenance work, but vertically, we are more integrated. We do more CRNO work ourselves. So think about brake, wheels, maintenance instead of sending it to somebody else to do it. So, we have more work that we are doing internally. So, all this together, you have a bigger fleet. You’ve got more work coming your way, but on top of it, you’re more vertically integrated in terms of the maintenance you’re performing on the airplane.
Myles Walton: So, just to clarify, is the margin drop-through of aftermarket sales today similar to what it was when you only had a third of the market share?
Éric Martel: Yeah. The margin has been slightly improving, but we’re clearly maintaining. We’ve always liked that margin and that margin is getting slightly better.
Myles Walton: Perfect. Just one quick one. How sensitive is the 2025 financial targets to the G800 certification next year? Global 8000? Global 8000
Éric Martel: Global 8000, you mean, yeah, Myles…
Myles Walton: Yeah.
Éric Martel: Somebody asked.
Myles Walton: Yeah.
Éric Martel: We’re right on track to bring that aircraft into service. The test flights are happening as we speak and in-service is planned for the second half of the year, so it won’t have a big impact. That will really start in 2026. The real ramp-up is in 2026, so there’s barely no risk for next year or very little.
Myles Walton: Okay. Perfect. Thank you.
Operator: Thank you. Next question will be from Ron Epstein at Bank of America. Please go ahead, Ron.
Ron Epstein: Yeah. Good morning.
Bart Demosky: Good morning.
Éric Martel: Good morning, Ron.
Ron Epstein: A couple of quick ones. On your supply chain, broadly, it’s getting better, but my understanding is there are still some difficult spots, things like windows, windscreens and engines, depending on which engine. Can you speak a little bit to that?
Éric Martel: Yeah. For sure, Ron. It’s a great question. Clearly, engine remains the main thing for us. When I walk around the factory right now, I’ve got work off position and things like that, and it’s mainly driven by engine. Windshield on our side, I think, is much more under control than it was a year ago. We had tire, we had all kinds of issues, but those have been pretty much put under control. So we have a few, I would say, Tier 2, Tier 3 suppliers that cause issues, but I think we’ve been -- I explained that before. I don’t know if you had a chance to look into that, but I have what we call out there an army of navigators and their job is to foresee the problem coming as early as possible. So, my guys cut issue 12 months, 18 months before they hit us, so we’re in a better position to sort them out, but clearly, I think the engine is clearly -- and when I say engine, I put APU also in that category, so engine and APU. Casting has been a real problem. They make a batch, they have defects and then we need to wait for the next batch to come up. So that’s how we’ve been mainly impacted on our side. But my guys have been very creative. We’ve still been able to move things around and meet our guidance in terms of delivery, and we’re hopeful to do the same thing this year.
Ron Epstein: And I mean, if you could just speculate, I know this is a tough question, and if you can, I understand. If the supply changes could meet what you wanted to do, how much better could your deliveries have been? Is that [inaudible]
Éric Martel: No. I think we could be -- we’ve been in an accelerated mode, of course. We grew a rate. I think we could be probably doing slightly more. Eventually, this will normalize, but I think we would like to deliver a few more if we would like the engine early in the quarter. So that stability and avoid the Q4 having 40% of the delivery, having a more stable supply chain will be helpful to avoid that. So I think it’s not exactly the number of more airplanes. Eventually, you’ll catch up and you’ll get more airplanes in the short-term. It’s going to be more of a one timer. But as you stabilize and get your parts on time, you would see a much better flow from a quarter to another than what we are experiencing today.
Ron Epstein: Got it.
Bart Demosky: You know well that when we have more regularity in terms of deliveries per quarter, it takes fluctuations of working capital out. It allows us to perform the work on the aircraft in order, which is a fairly material cost headwind that we’ve been able to overcome over the past couple of years and expect to in the future, but that’s opportunity for us once things do get normalized.
Ron Epstein: Got it. Maybe just one last one. Switching to the defense business, the U.S. DOD has been focusing a little bit more on unmanned platforms. Have you guys thought about that? Is there an opportunity for you there? I know that’s a little different than what you’re doing, but just broadly speaking.
Éric Martel: Absolutely, Ron. This is something we’re thinking about. Yeah. That’s the short answer. Because there’s quite a bit of thinking about that. You’re absolutely right. And we have the talent and the capability of doing sole projects. Think about our EcoJet as an example or other platforms which we could probably bring those technologies on.
Ron Epstein: Got it. Right. Thank you.
Éric Martel: Thank you so much, sir. Thank you.
Bart Demosky: Thanks, Ron.
Operator: Next question will be from Cameron Doerksen at National Bank. Please go ahead, Cameron.
Cameron Doerksen: Yeah. Thanks. Good morning. I wonder if you could just go into a little more detail on what you’re seeing on the order front, maybe some color around what geographies are strong. Has there been any change in the last quarter from what you commented on a quarter ago?
Éric Martel: Yeah. Thanks, Cam, for the question. It’s Éric here. We’ve seen in Q3, I would say, a very normal in the rest of the world. The United States were interesting in a sense that we had one part of the United States that did perform extremely well. The other part of the United States, thinking about West Coast, East Coast, was a bit softer. So we -- but this is a story right now. Everything is back to normal. We’re working on all cylinders right now across the Board, so the U.S. remains pretty positive. And I think yesterday, the whole election was creating a bit of uncertainty. I think having clarity on the results yesterday was -- is probably a positive for us to complete the quarter and to engage into next year. The Middle East remains very strong. I would say, the only place that I think has been slower this year was Europe, but I think I’m very encouraged right now because this quarter, we feel that Europe is in a better place than it’s been all year. The Middle East and APAC is still doing very well.
Cameron Doerksen: Okay. That’s very helpful. Just one really quick one for Bart. Just looking at the CapEx year-to-date, it’s sort of trending lower than what we’ve been expecting. Can you just maybe comment on what your expectation is for the full year?
Bart Demosky: Yeah. Thanks Cam. It’s -- so full year we’re projecting to be a little bit below CapEx spend of last year, which was, if I remember right, just around $270 million. We do have quite a bit going on in the fourth quarter, but we’ll be -- we will end up towards the lower end of our target range. We guide to somewhere $250 million, $300 million, so you should expect us to be at the low end of that, or maybe even a bit below, to finalize the year.
Cameron Doerksen: Okay. That’s very helpful. Thanks very much.
Bart Demosky: Okay.
Éric Martel: Okay. Thanks.
Operator: Next question will be from Gavin Parsons (NYSE:PSN) at UBS. Please go ahead, Gavin.
Gavin Parsons: Thanks. Good morning.
Éric Martel: Good morning.
Bart Demosky: Good morning.
Gavin Parsons: I wanted to ask about the manufacturing revenue growth in the quarter, one fewer delivery. You mentioned higher price. I just wanted to get a sense of how price is trending versus, I know you had favorable mix year-over-year?
Bart Demosky: Yeah. Good morning, Gavin. It’s Bart here. So, on the pricing side, we’ve seen very good pricing environment for several years now. You have to remember when we have a close to two-year backlog in place, the pricing that you’re seeing us, the gains that you’re seeing us enjoy now are things that were locked in 18 months to 24 months ago. So that however, that pattern has continued. We’ve been able to work on price increases year over year. We’re expecting that pattern to continue in the coming quarters. So, overall, very constructive. I think, as Éric described, we’re seeing a very stable environment when it comes to demand versus availability of aircraft and when you have backlog in place, obviously, that puts us in a good position to be having the right conversations around pricing on aircraft. And that’s contributing to revenue growth for us as well. We’re up 12% year over year on the quarter from $1.9 billion to $2.1 billion and that’s translating as well, those pricing gains into a strong EBITDA conversion into free cash flow. So, it’s all very good on that front.
Gavin Parsons: Okay. That’s helpful. I mean, thinking about that conversion, I think in the quarter you’d mentioned price gains were offset by inflation and supply chain. If we strip out supply chain or at whatever point that normalizes, should we expect price to still be favorable going forward relative to cost?
Bart Demosky: Well, certainly, as we’re sitting today, they’re about even when we think about the impact of inflation, the supply chain relative to the pricing gains. So, yes, once we’re able to normalize the supply chain, that is a headwind that when coming out should be margin accretive for us.
Gavin Parsons: Got it. Thank you.
Bart Demosky: Okay. Okay. Yeah. Thank you, sir.
Éric Martel: Thank you.
Operator: Next question will be from David Strauss at Barclays (LON:BARC). Please go ahead, David.
Josh Korn: Hi. Good morning. This is Josh Korn on for David. So, just to start, I wanted to ask if you’re seeing any benefit from the G700 delivery delay?
Éric Martel: The honest answer is yes. I think the 7,500 is proven. We have about 200 airplanes that are flying out there. It’s been an extremely appreciated airplane so far, reliable airplane. I was mentioning earlier that and this is I’m flying all around the world. I’m meeting customers who have a 7,500. Everybody is extremely satisfied of the product, and of course, our availability is -- we have availability, so that is great. So people really like. Everybody that’s flown that airplane really likes it. So, clearly, having competitors with delays and maybe an unproven platform is helpful for us.
Josh Korn: Great. I wanted to ask about fractional. If you could maybe frame how much of the order activity this year and how much of the total backlog is from fractional customers?
Éric Martel: The backlog is usually around 20% on the long run, plus or minus. So we got a few options being exercised this year. So the pace continues with the fleet operator very positively. If you look at flight hours for Q3 and you compare to 2019, they are 50% -- 51% up for the Bombardier plane. So we have hundreds of order on options. These guys are all growing right now. I think we’ve explained that before. There was a new normal after COVID, post-COVID, that was established. A lot of people were concerned that that new normal was not going to stay. But I’m telling you, after two years post-COVID, it’s sticking. And so we see the hours even continue to grow for the fleet operator, but even also overall. So the fleet operator and I know that we are extremely well-positioned, Bombardier with the fleet operator, which is a great place to be right now, because these guys are seeing quite a lot of growth.
Josh Korn: Great. Thank you.
Éric Martel: Thank you.
Francis Richer de La Fleche: Operator, we have time for one last question.
Operator: Thank you. Our last question is from Jay Singh at Citi. Please go ahead, Jay.
Jay Singh: Thanks for taking my question. It’s Jay dialing on for Stephen Trent (NS:TREN). Considering the success of the Global Business Jet’s traction with the U.S. Military, do I see you replicate such success in other countries?
Éric Martel: Yeah. I think it was breaking a little bit, but I understand that based on the global jet success in the defense world, if we’re going to have the potential to work with other countries, that’s what I understood. If that’s the question, yes, absolutely. So, clearly, we have some significant programs we won over the last few years. One, I’ve mentioned earlier with the German Army and Air Force is going on. So we’re working with Germany. We’ve talked about Sweden. And we, of course, have the U.S. But also being on the Aedes program with the U.S. is a platform also for the ILight [ph] to tap in. So eventually, at first, I think we’re going to be delivering Aedes program more to the U.S., but eventually, there’ll be potential. There’ll be possibilities, I should say, for other countries that are ILight countries.
Jay Singh: Great. Are you guys happy with your pipeline of mechanics and engineers?
Éric Martel: Pipeline of?
Jay Singh: Mechanics and engineers.
Éric Martel: Oh! Yeah. In terms of resources, in terms of engineers, yeah, absolutely. We have a good base and we’ve been able to hire the people we needed to hire all around the world. We’re in a good place there. Thank you for your question. Thank you so much. So, thank you, everyone, for joining us today. As this is our last touchpoint before the holiday season, I just wanted to first take a moment to wish everyone on the line from the U.S. a happy Thanksgiving, which is just around the corner. And after that, I wish everyone a warm, safe and restful holiday season, and all the best for 2025. Safe travel to all those visiting family and friends. We know firsthand how busy the air transport system gets during this time and we will be very active in supporting our fleet’s reliable dispatches. So between now and then, our teams will be very busy delivering our year-end and we look forward to speaking with you all in the new year. Thank you.
Operator: Thank you, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, this does indeed conclude your conference call for today. Once again, thank you for attending, and at this time, we do ask that you please disconnect your lines.
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