Earnings call transcript: Altus Group Q2 2025 beats EPS forecast, stock drops 8.72%

Altus Group Limited reported its second-quarter 2025 earnings, showcasing a significant earnings per share (EPS) beat but a modest revenue miss. The company posted an EPS of $0.50, surpassing the forecast of $0.3461 by 44.47%. Despite this positive earnings surprise, the company’s revenue of $131.45 million fell short of the expected $133.7 million, marking a revenue surprise of -1.68%. Following the earnings release, Altus Group’s stock fell by 8.72%, closing at $47.26, down from the previous close of $52.25. According to InvestingPro data, the stock has declined nearly 10% over the past week, with current trading levels suggesting the company is slightly undervalued based on Fair Value analysis.

Key Takeaways

• Altus Group’s EPS exceeded expectations by 44.47%.
• Revenue fell short of forecasts, leading to a revenue surprise of -1.68%.
• Stock price declined by 8.72% post-earnings announcement.
• The company continues to expand its ARGUS Intelligence platform.
• Guidance indicates a focus on margin expansion and double-digit growth.

Company Performance

Altus Group demonstrated strong financial performance in Q2 2025, with a significant year-over-year increase in adjusted EBITDA by 55.7%. The company’s recurring revenue grew by 3.7%, aligning with its guidance range. However, consolidated revenue was modestly lower, reflecting challenges in the broader market. The company’s transition to the ARGUS Intelligence platform and the introduction of new products like Portfolio Manager and Benchmark Manager have been pivotal in driving growth and client adoption.

Financial Highlights

• Revenue: $131.45 million, a slight decrease from the forecast.
• Earnings per share: $0.50, a substantial improvement from the previous year.
• Adjusted EBITDA: Increased by 55.7% year-over-year.
• Cash from operating activities: Decreased year-over-year.
• Ended the quarter with $382.7 million in cash and $157.3 million in bank debt.

Earnings vs. Forecast

Altus Group’s actual EPS of $0.50 significantly exceeded the forecasted $0.3461, resulting in a 44.47% earnings surprise. This marks a strong performance compared to previous quarters, highlighting the company’s ability to enhance profitability. However, the revenue miss of 1.68% suggests challenges in meeting market expectations.

Market Reaction

Following the earnings announcement, Altus Group’s stock dropped by 8.72%, closing at $47.26. This decline reflects investor concerns over the revenue miss and broader market uncertainties. The stock’s performance contrasts with its 52-week high of $61.09 and low of $46.36, indicating volatility in investor sentiment.

Outlook & Guidance

Looking ahead, Altus Group is focusing on increasing its consolidated margin range while modestly lowering its revenue guidance. The company anticipates double-digit revenue growth in its Analytics segment and expects a revenue ramp in Q3 and seasonal benefits in Q4. Analyst consensus compiled by InvestingPro shows a moderate buy recommendation, with price targets ranging from $38.57 to $48.03, suggesting potential upside from current levels. The company’s beta of 0.81 indicates lower volatility compared to the broader market. The upgrade cycle to ARGUS Intelligence is projected to drive growth from 2025 to 2027, with a growth algorithm targeting 40% from volume/wallet share expansion, 40% from pricing uplift, and 20% from new products.

Executive Commentary

CEO Jim Hannon expressed confidence in the company’s growth prospects, stating, "We remain confident in our ability to drive double-digit revenue growth and about 35% adjusted EBITDA margins in fiscal twenty twenty-six at the Analytics segment." CFO Pavan Chabra emphasized the company’s margin improvement strategies, noting, "We continue to have multiple paths to be able to achieve our margin growth."

Risks and Challenges

• Macroeconomic uncertainty impacting client decisions.
• Cautious lending landscape due to tariff uncertainty and monetary policy.
• Potential volatility in the Canadian commercial real estate market.
• Foreign exchange fluctuations affecting financial performance.
• Need for continued innovation to maintain competitive edge.

Q&A

During the earnings call, analysts inquired about the foreign exchange gain, which was clarified as a one-time benefit. Other questions focused on the ARGUS Intelligence upgrade cycle and the company’s margin improvement strategies. The management also addressed its approach to mergers and acquisitions and valuation considerations.

Full transcript - Altus Group Limited (AIF) Q2 2025:

Julian, Conference Call Moderator: Good afternoon, and welcome to Altus Group’s Q2 twenty twenty five Financial Results Conference Call and Webcast. All participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers’ remarks, we will conduct a question and answer session. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Camilla Bartosevic, Chief Communications Officer.

Thank you. Please go ahead.

Camilla Bartosevic, Chief Communications Officer, Altus Group: Thank you, Julian. Hi, everyone, and welcome to the conference call and webcast discussing Altus Group’s Q2 results for the period ended 06/30/2025. Our press release, MD and A, financial statements and the slides accompanying our prepared remarks are all available on our website and as required have been filed to SEDAR plus after market close this afternoon. I’m joined today by our CEO, Jim Hannon and our CFO, Bhavan Chabra. Some of our remarks on this call and in our disclosure may contain forward looking information that is based on certain assumptions and therefore subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected.

Please refer to our forward looking information disclaimer in today’s materials. Please be reminded that Altus Group uses certain non GAAP financial measures, ratios, total segment measures, capital management measures and supplementary and other financial measures as defined in National Instruments fifty two-one hundred twelve. We believe that these measures may assist investors in assessing an investment in our shares and as they provide additional insight into our performance. Readers are cautioned that they are not defined performance measures and do not have a standardized meaning under IFRS and may differ from similar computations as reported by other entities, and accordingly may not be comparable to financial measures as reported by those entities. These measures should not be considered in isolation or as substitutes for financial measures prepared in accordance with IFRS.

An explanation of these measures is detailed in today’s IR materials as well.

Pavan Chabra, CFO, Altus Group: I would also like to point out

Camilla Bartosevic, Chief Communications Officer, Altus Group: that unless otherwise specified, we will be referring to percentage and basis point growth rates on today’s call on a constant currency basis over the same period in 2024. With that, I’ll turn it over to you, Huddon.

Pavan Chabra, CFO, Altus Group: Thanks, Camilla, and thank you all for joining us today. We’re pleased with our Q2 results, which reflects the team’s continued focus on driving recurring revenue growth, expanding margins and building momentum in new bookings. Let me walk through some of the key highlights for the quarter. Recurring revenue was up, anchored by strength of our software offerings and came within our guidance range. Consolidated revenue was modestly lower, primarily due to softer performance in the Appraisal and Development Advisory segment.

We delivered margin expansion across both business segments, marking our fourth consecutive quarter of consolidated margin improvement. Profit from continuing operations increased meaningfully underscoring the quality of our earnings. Adjusted EBITDA rose 55.7% year over year, driven by strong operating performance. Corporate costs benefited from a $6,200,000 foreign exchange gain in the quarter, a one time item that was anticipated in our full year outlook. Excluding this impact, earnings in March still showed strong growth year over year.

Adjusted EPS came in at $0.50 a significant improvement over the prior year, supported by higher profit and a lower share count following our buyback program. Cash provided by operating activities and free cash flow were down year over year due to the absence of contributions from the property tax business, which was divested in January, including the impact of the divestiture, both metrics showed strong growth. Turning to the analytics business segment, total revenue growth was led by ARGUS Intelligence, offset by lower nonrecurring revenue as we’ve been winding down some noncore services. We’re pleased with the consistent improvements in adjusted EBITDA, which reflects higher quality revenue, operating efficiencies and continued cost optimization efforts. Recurring revenue is a key metric for our performance.

ARGUS’ DMS revenue streams have very low churn with retention rates above 100%. Q2 recurring revenue was up 3.7% in line with our guidance. ARGUS Enterprise, now ARGUS Intelligence delivered double digit growth in Q2. BMS growth was modest as expected this quarter. Our margins continue to expand increasing by two ninety basis points this quarter.

The improvement reflects a combination of factors, solid revenue growth, ongoing portfolio optimization, enhanced delivery through enhanced delivery efficiency through our global service center, benefits from restructuring initiatives and disciplined expense management. We’re making steady progress toward our FY twenty twenty six margin target of approximately 35% and remain confident in our ability to sustain this trajectory. Our analytics new bookings metrics reflects new and incremental business. Recurring new bookings were up 64.2%, reflecting significant growth at both Argus and DMS. Revenue in our Appraisal and Development Advisory segment came in below guidance, reflecting softer market conditions across both businesses.

The Appraisals business, which operates exclusively in Canada, was particularly impacted by muted transaction activity and ongoing uncertainty related to tariffs. Despite these headwinds, our performance continues to improve driven by a deliberate focus on higher margin value added engagements. Adjusted EBITDA increased by 6.6% with 130 basis point expansion in margins, supported by enhanced delivery efficiency through our offshore global shared services team. The Canadian commercial real estate market remains stable through Q2, but continues to navigate a challenging environment shaped by tariff uncertainty, inflationary pressures and evolving monetary policy. These factors are contributing to a more cautious lending landscape.

While we anticipate stronger momentum in The U. S. Market in the second half of the year, Canadian transaction activity is expected to remain subdued until market conditions stabilize. In the meantime, we remain focused on disciplined execution and driving margin improvements across the segment. Turning to the balance sheet.

We ended the quarter with $382,700,000 in cash and $157,300,000 in bank debt, resulting in a funded debt to EBITDA ratio of 1.26x. We returned $101,700,000 to shareholders through our share buyback program this quarter, fully utilizing our current NCIB and reducing our outstanding share count to $43,200,000 Year to date, we’ve repurchased approximately 3,300,000.0 shares, representing $179,000,000 in gross proceeds. We’re pleased with the strength of our cash conversion, which continues to be driven by disciplined working capital management and a focused effort on improving operational efficiencies across the business. With profitability and earnings quality continuing to improve, we are well positioned to deliver consistent cash flow generation and support long term growth. With that, I’ll turn it over to Jim.

Jim Hannon, CEO, Altus Group: Thanks, Pavan. As Pavan outlined, the team delivered another strong quarter both financially and operationally. We made progress against our growth initiatives and we’re positioning Altus as the essential intelligence platform for CRE performance. To reiterate and call out some of the highlights from the quarter, recurring revenue growth was fueled by double digit growth in ARGUS Enterprise, which is now ARGUS Intelligence. We expect this latest upgrade cycle and new product introductions to drive double digit growth for the next several years.

Our transition to ARGUS Intelligence is proceeding as planned, with clients renewing on the platform and adding new capabilities. We now have 1,900 clients contracted on ARGUS Intelligence, including a ramp of Portfolio Manager and Benchmark Manager products. Our asset based pricing model continues to be well received and by design is translating to a growing user base in the Argus ecosystem. As clients migrate to Argus Intelligence, they have the choice to stay on per seat pricing or move to asset based pricing, which allows clients to add users with no additional costs. New recurring bookings were strong, both for software and VMS.

We’re now on three consecutive quarters of recurring new bookings above the $20,000,000 mark. We returned capital to shareholders by repurchasing $101,700,000 of our shares in Q2, exhausting our 2025 buyback program for the year. We reduced our outstanding shares by 6.5% year over year. And as Pavin pointed out, our operational improvements and ongoing portfolio simplification translate to higher quality earnings compared to a year ago. This has been and will continue to be a driver of cash flow improvements.

Turning to our business outlook. We’re refining our guidance here at the midyear mark. Notably, we’re increasing our consolidated margin range while modestly lowering revenue. To be clear, we’re calling up the low end of our adjusted EBITDA guidance. Our business unit forecasts are still at the low end of our original revenue range.

That said, and in the spirit of being prudent, reflecting the continued uncertainty around the macroeconomic environment. This uncertainty has kept some of our VMS clients on the sidelines longer than we anticipated at the beginning of the year. As we’ve demonstrated over these last several years, we run the company with multiple paths to achieving our EBITDA and this year is no different. Overall, there’s a growing sense of optimism in our client base. Transaction volumes are stabilizing and transaction dollar volumes are increasing.

Capital is available and valuations are improving across most sectors of CRE, all good signs for the fourth quarter and next year. And with the operating and product enhancements we’ve been driving, we’re strongly positioned for the future. We remain confident in our ability to drive double digit revenue growth and about 35% adjusted EBITDA margins in fiscal twenty twenty six at the Analytics segment. We expect a continual ramp of revenues in Q3 at Analytics. Q4 benefits from favorable seasonality, pricing actions and a large number of Argus renewals.

We remain bullish on the long term prospects for Altus Group driven by strong secular trends in the commercial real estate market, compelling new product innovations, a refined pricing model which drives client adoption, exceptionally strong balance sheet and of course a dedicated team committed to delivering value. So finally, before I open up the line for questions, I just want to share that our next Investor Day will be on November 20 in New York. That’s a change from what I said last quarter due to some scheduling conflicts, but stay tuned for more details and we hope you can join us. Okay. Let’s open up the line for questions now, Julian.

Julian, Conference Call Moderator: Thank you. Our first question comes from Yuri Lynk from Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Yuri Lynk, Analyst, Canaccord Genuity: Good evening, guys.

Jim Hannon, CEO, Altus Group: Hey, Jim.

Stephen MacLeod, Analyst, BMO: The you mentioned in the prepared remarks that the FX pickup in corporate costs in the quarter was included in prior guidance. Yet you’re still increasing the guidance range on a consolidated basis. So is that further cost reductions on the corporate line? Or how do we get there?

Jim Hannon, CEO, Altus Group: Yuri, I’ll answer it then I’ll hand it over to Pavan. As I said, we always have multiple paths to make our numbers. We’re watching the top line closely at all times. We’re always listening to our clients who at the beginning of the year were extremely optimistic. This past quarter, bunch of them were very optimistic in their comments.

And then in their caveats around their ranges, they said assuming stability, we said let’s factor it into our top line. But we do have we are as always, we have an operating plan and then we throttle expenses up or down based on where we’re seeing revenue coming in. So we knew that at the last in May at the last guidance that we would probably affect this transaction, which would drive a benefit. So it was part of our multiple paths to get to the number. Claudia, do you want to comment on the transaction?

Pavan Chabra, CFO, Altus Group: Yes. It’s a so we converted some Canadian dollars to USD, so the 6.2 is is just related to the to the FX trade. It’s not a it’s a constant currency number in regards to that in in regards to that. So it’s it’s really just a function of the fact of being effective in regards to our money management. Again, part of our plan in regards to our opening cash balance at the beginning of the year when we divested the property tax business and part of the contemplation as we were thinking about full year guidance as well.

So it was really just good timing given the relative weakness in the U. S. Dollar in the quarter to pull the trigger on it this quarter. And that weakness occurred before the main call? Yes.

Stephen MacLeod, Analyst, BMO: Okay. So you’re leaving your the segment’s EBITDA margin guidance is unchanged, but the consolidated is up. And that’s going to be reflected in the lower corporate costs, right, going forward?

Pavan Chabra, CFO, Altus Group: Yes. So that FX hits the corporate line, period, so it doesn’t impact the segments.

Stephen MacLeod, Analyst, BMO: Okay. The bookings number, I mean, strong, but can you just confirm that I’m looking at apples to apples? Did we did you guys change the definition this year? Maybe just refresh my memory on that.

Jim Hannon, CEO, Altus Group: No, we absolutely stuck to the definition. It’s driven by the upgrade cycle to ARGUS Intelligence. So last year, if there was any there some price that in renewals that would not have shown as a booking because that’s how we’ve defined our bookings. This year though, at the renewal, customers are converting from ARGUS Enterprise to ARGUS Intelligence, which gives them new feature functionality, which drives a bigger price uplift. So that is helping the bookings throughout this year, actually for next couple of years, it will help the bookings.

Richard Tse, Analyst, National Bank Financial: Okay. Okay.

Stephen MacLeod, Analyst, BMO: I’ll hop back in

Yuri Lynk, Analyst, Canaccord Genuity: the queue, guys. Thank you.

Pavan Chabra, CFO, Altus Group: Thank you.

Julian, Conference Call Moderator: Our next question comes from Stephen MacLeod from BMO. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Yuri Lynk, Analyst, Canaccord Genuity: Thank you. Good evening, everyone. I just wanted to follow-up just quickly with respect to the corporate costs. Is this a onetime FX gain? Or will you see a step change lower in your corporate costs for the balance of the year?

Pavan Chabra, CFO, Altus Group: Yeah. Look, we we continue to be focused on driving corporate cost efficiency. That’s part of the game. As we as we talked about it in the past, there were some compliance related spend that we had in corporate that that that changes trajectory. This and, again, this FX is really just you know, we we knew we had cash at the beginning of

Jim Hannon, CEO, Altus Group: the

Pavan Chabra, CFO, Altus Group: year, and so there’s there’s not gonna be there’s not gonna be continuation in regards to this. It’s really just a it’s a onetime.

Yuri Lynk, Analyst, Canaccord Genuity: Okay. Okay. I see. So this isn’t this isn’t a new level. This is just a onetime benefit from the transaction in this quarter.

Camilla Bartosevic, Chief Communications Officer, Altus Group: Yeah. The onetime

Pavan Chabra, CFO, Altus Group: kind of benefit that you saw in this quarter, it doesn’t there’s not another benefit for the rest of the year.

Yuri Lynk, Analyst, Canaccord Genuity: Okay. Yes. That’s great. And then maybe just looking at the recurring new bookings number, which, Jim, you mentioned, you said was driven by both Argus and VMS. Is there a way

Jim Hannon, CEO, Altus Group: to break down kind of what the drivers were between those two businesses? There is. They were both very strong. For VMS, Steve, we’re when we do Investor Day, we will roll out new reporting for 2026. And as we’ve been saying, when we do that, we’ll move away from bookings overall as a metric.

But until then, we said we would, for transparency, we’ll continue to report it. So VMS funds are there’s new funds popping up. There’s debt funds popping up. There’s some closed end funds that we moved into that help drive the growth for VMS. They’re about equal in the very, very strong range as far as growth rates go.

Yuri Lynk, Analyst, Canaccord Genuity: Okay. Okay. That’s helpful. And then just maybe finally,

Jim Hannon, CEO, Altus Group: as it relates to, you know, you

Yuri Lynk, Analyst, Canaccord Genuity: talked about the upgrade cycle with respect to ARGUS Intelligence.

Pavan Chabra, CFO, Altus Group: You know, we’re having with that

Jim Hannon, CEO, Altus Group: is there a way to kinda get a sense of where you are in that cycle? I mean, assume you’re still at

Yuri Lynk, Analyst, Canaccord Genuity: the very based on the release of the products, you’re still on the very front end of upgrade cycle. Can you just talk about sort of where you sit and how you expect that to drive growth going forward?

Pavan Chabra, CFO, Altus Group: Yeah. Look. And and, again, you know, we’ve got a a pretty significant base of clients that are going through the upgrade cycle from from ARGUS Enterprise to ARGUS Intelligence. I I would say in terms of relative magnitude, there’s there’s a large portion that happens in 2025. If you were to bring 2025 down even further, a a big a large portion or a large cohort is in q four twenty twenty five, which would provide tailwinds into 2026.

But but there is a cohort a significant cohort in ’26 and ’27 as well too. So, you know, they these are these renewals are are these transitions to ARGUS Intelligence are happening on a renewal cycle. They have a mix of one year contracts and some three year contracts, which gives us more durability in regards to the continued uplift we’re gonna get from the transition.

Yuri Lynk, Analyst, Canaccord Genuity: Okay. That’s helpful color. Thanks, Pavin. Okay. Thanks, guys.

I’ll get back in queue. Thank you.

Jim Hannon, CEO, Altus Group: The renewals will flow, as Pavin said, the majority through 25%, but they do flow into 2627%. We know by client when the renewals aren’t. It flows into each of those years. And we said we were expecting a mid teens price uplift, which we are achieving on the renewals.

Yuri Lynk, Analyst, Canaccord Genuity: Okay. That’s great color. Thanks, Jim.

Julian, Conference Call Moderator: Our next question comes from Richard Tse from National Bank Financial. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Richard Tse, Analyst, National Bank Financial: Yes. Thank you. Hey, guys. On Page seven of your deck, you kind of outlined a number of things that contributed to your margin improvement. So as you look ahead to this sort of mid-30s target, can you sort of help us sort of rank how each of those items may contribute to that improvement going forward?

Pavan Chabra, CFO, Altus Group: Yes. Sorry, I believe we’re calling out revenue growth, portfolio optimization, GSE, benefits from restructuring, expense growth moderation. So as we highlighted in regards to our 2026 guidance, we

Yuri Lynk, Analyst, Canaccord Genuity: are

Pavan Chabra, CFO, Altus Group: anticipating double double digit growth in regards to analytics revenue. So there’s gonna be a a a meaningful revenue growth contribution aspect to it. I I I would assume that this is probably structured in the order of magnitude here. Portfolio optimization, you know, you saw part parts of that in regards to the divestiture of of property tax. You saw the the divestiture of the of the fairways and guarantees business associated with finance active.

We continue to focus on profitable growth for our appraisals and debt advisory, which continues to drive portfolio optimization for us. GSE is a is a is a big component of our of our operating efficiency strategy. This is really about leveraging our tools and technology and standardizing them in a in a much more efficient way offshore and leveraging not only great talent that we have in our Hyderabad office, but but also just leveraging the the the the arbitrage from a from a pricing perspective. So that is gonna be a a meaningful contribution from a from a

Jim Hannon, CEO, Altus Group: margin

Pavan Chabra, CFO, Altus Group: perspective. Look, again, we’re we’ve we’ve mentioned we’re we’re very comfortable in the concept of of shrinking to grow, restructuring activities just to make sure that we’ve got the right alignment. We’re we’re we’re anchoring around matrix organizations, which gives us our abilities to to continue to scale without adding significant headcount. And so that is an ongoing focus for us, and we’re good stewards of the business. And so we realize that there are market related pressures that that potentially gate the the timing of revenue.

And so we continue to be very prudent in regards to in in regards to our expense management elements. But but I would say, you know, top line growth, portfolio optimization, global service center efficiencies, kind of in that order are are are key components of our growth. And ultimately, the operating efficiencies that we’re gaining across the business is really using using our our our technology internally and driving more data to the platform from a from a systematic perspective. We’re also putting a lot of focus on G and A. As Jim and I have talked about in the past, we’ve had a lot of moving parts in this business, but we’re putting very particular focus in regards to driving our G and A lower.

It’s a high number, and we’re aware of it. Look, we’ve been a product of acquisitions over the years, and there’s a lot of opportunity for us to continue to grow aggressively after G and A as an opportunity for us for for margin expansion. So I would rank, I would rank that in terms of expense expense growth moderating as as a as a big focus area for us. So I I think you asked for ranking. I’m it sounds like I’m putting all of them as as rank one here, but but they’re all they’re all important initiatives for us.

Each of them have a very specific execution plan associated with it. We’re in the we’re in this we’re currently working on our 2026 operating plan efforts, and and all all five of these focus are are kinda core to to what we’re doing. But it just reiterates the fact that we continue to have multiple paths to be able to achieve our margin growth. Page five and just a brief description that I gave you just highlights just a few of them that we’re looking at.

Richard Tse, Analyst, National Bank Financial: Okay. Great. I just have one other question. I understand fully that you’re getting benefit from price through this upgrade cycle from Enterprise to Intelligence. But are there any metrics that you could share to help us better understand the uptake of your expanding product portfolio, something like the customer base has an average of x products or modules this year versus the same sort of comparative number in the prior year, just so we can kind of get a sense of how that upsell process is working?

Jim Hannon, CEO, Altus Group: So Richard, when you think about analytics, there’s the two main franchises that move the needle. And it’s Arcus Enterprise to Arcus Intelligence right, as one and VMS as the other. When you look at the number of attached products after that, it’s very different personas across our clients who buy the different solutions. So, of course, we know what the we know which every client how many products they have, but it’s not a go to market motion of it’s a straight cross sell to the same buyer. So the main thing to focus on is the core ARGUS intelligence.

On that, for the next two years, we’ve got we have a pickup on Portfolio Manager and Benchmark Manager. But the key to those products, they’re both still in very early stages to generate revenue because the clients need to migrate their models from the cloud, like, either from on prem or from their cloud environment onto the platform to get the benefit of Portfolio Manager or Benchmark Manager. Right? So they have to be contributing data to to get Benchmark Manager. So we’re just in the the early stages of those clients coming on to the largest intelligence contract and then migrating their models over, which is a just to the point of the last question, that’s a driver of growth for next year.

When we think about our growth algorithm for ’26 and ’27, we break down our growth as about 40% of it will come from a lift in volumes and wallet share expansion of current product sets at current clients. About 40% of the growth come from uplift in pricing and about 20% will come from new products in the portfolio next year. But it’s not from a the products need to be rolled out. It’s a the models need to be moved to the platform to to then drive the cross sell. So lots of running work.

That’s very helpful. Our 25,000,000 and then nominal new product revenue in it because we knew it was about it was a migration year.

Richard Tse, Analyst, National Bank Financial: Okay. Great. Thank you.

Julian, Conference Call Moderator: Our next question comes from Paul Treiber from RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Paul Treiber, Analyst, RBC Capital Markets: Yes, thanks and good afternoon. Nice recurring bookings in the quarter. Could you speak to the duration of those bookings like the new revenue that you’re adding? What’s the typical duration of it? And then really what I’m trying to get a sense of is like the annual uplift that you would see or like sort of ballpark ARR growth?

Jim Hannon, CEO, Altus Group: Yes. So the when we look at it on an NRR basis, so looking at client cohort year over year, as I said, we were targeting a mid teens price uplift. We’re actually yielding between seat and asset based pricing into those cohorts. We’re through the first half, we’re yielding a 20% increase. So that’s part of it.

And then the ARR piece of it is gonna be obviously, gonna be the function of new logos and and managing churn as clients go through the migration cycle. So on an ARR basis, we so back to the two core franchises of software and VMS. On a full year ARR basis last year, both were well north of 100%. I’m sorry, on an ARR basis, they’re both well north of 100%. And then the ARR has been outpacing that because of new logos, new funds coming on and new assets coming on.

Paul Treiber, Analyst, RBC Capital Markets: Okay. That’s helpful. The and then just trying to understand the outlook for the back half of the year, the change in the recurring analytics recurring growth, is that you mentioned it’s because of VMS. The I assume, that the software bookings are driving growth, but it’s just to clarify like that is masked by slower assumed growth in BMS, correct?

Jim Hannon, CEO, Altus Group: That’s exactly right.

Paul Treiber, Analyst, RBC Capital Markets: Okay. And then just on the nonrecurring outlook for the year, it looks like Q4 the guidance implies that Q4 nonrecurring Analytics revenue jumped sequentially. What is that seasonality? Or is there another driver in there?

Jim Hannon, CEO, Altus Group: There’s a couple of drivers in there. There’s implementation revenues that are associated with some of the migration I was just talking about of models. And there’s the one eleven business where we can see a pipeline of nonrecurring implementation of it’s typically third party systems. So not business we are actively driving, but an important business for us to support our clients on. So it’s the nonrecurring forecast will be a function of the pipeline of the timing of some of those big deals.

So those 111 deals can be big and lumpy and skew bookings in any given quarter, which is why we break out the recurring bookings from them.

Pavan Chabra, CFO, Altus Group: And then

Paul Treiber, Analyst, RBC Capital Markets: just lastly, shifting to M and A, can you speak to the M and A environment at the moment? If you are seeing valuations become more attractive, if there’s candidates out there that look strategically attractive to you?

Jim Hannon, CEO, Altus Group: There are valuations. I think for a couple of years, they got too lofty, which is why for two reasons you saw us back off. So in 2021, we went hard, and then we focused on the integration and the building out of the platform and wrapping the organic R and D around the integration of those acquisitions. Outside of ForBerry, which was at the 2023, which is I think will turn out to be one of our best all time acquisitions, you’ve seen us be very selective. And it was because valuations were way too lofty.

And I think if you look at Altus Group as a proxy for the market, valuations have stayed about flat over the last several years, whereas some of the private targets have these lofty ambitions that you guys just doesn’t match reality, especially when you put up our revenue growth and our earnings growth and our cash flow generation compared to how some of them have performed. So we’re keeping a close eye. As we’ve said in the past, we have a very specific set of filters that we’re applying. We have a strong balance sheet. We don’t feel I think I said this last quarter, we don’t feel like that’s burning a hole in our pockets right now that we’re going to overpay or dilute shareholders at the wrong valuation.

Paul Treiber, Analyst, RBC Capital Markets: All right. Thanks for taking the questions.

Julian, Conference Call Moderator: We have no further questions in queue. I’d like to turn the call back over to Jim Hannan for closing remarks.

Jim Hannon, CEO, Altus Group: As always, everyone, thanks for joining the call. If there’s any follow-up questions, you guys know how to get in contact with us, particularly through Camilla and Martin. We always appreciate your time, and I hope you all have a great rest of your summer. Talk soon. Thank you.

Julian, Conference Call Moderator: This concludes today’s conference call and webcast. You may now disconnect.

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