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BrightSpring Health Services (BTSG) reported a strong second quarter for 2025, driven by significant growth in its pharmacy solutions division. The company saw a 29% year-over-year increase in total revenue, reaching $3.1 billion, with a notable rise in adjusted earnings per share to $0.22. According to InvestingPro data, the company maintains a "GREAT" financial health score of 3.25, with the stock trading near its 52-week high of $30.35. Despite the positive results, the stock experienced a slight decline in aftermarket trading, down 2.17% to $28.84.
Key Takeaways
- BrightSpring reported a 29% YoY revenue increase, totaling $3.1 billion.
- Pharmacy Solutions led growth with a 32% increase.
- Stock dropped 2.17% in aftermarket trading.
- Full-year revenue and EBITDA guidance were raised.
- The company plans further investment in innovation and efficiency.
Company Performance
BrightSpring Health Services showcased robust performance in Q2 2025, largely fueled by its Pharmacy Solutions segment, which grew by 32% year-over-year. This growth reflects the company’s strategic focus on expanding its portfolio of limited distribution drugs and enhancing its service offerings. The Provider Services segment also contributed with an 11% increase in revenue. With a market capitalization of $6.03 billion and impressive year-to-date returns of 75.69%, the company’s strong market position in specialty pharmacy and diversified services have been key drivers of this growth. InvestingPro subscribers can access 12 additional exclusive insights about BTSG’s growth potential and market position.
Financial Highlights
- Total Revenue: $3.1 billion (29% YoY growth)
- Pharmacy Solutions Revenue: $2.8 billion (32% YoY growth)
- Provider Services Revenue: $358 million (11% YoY growth)
- Adjusted EBITDA: $143 million (29% YoY growth)
- Adjusted EPS: $0.22
Outlook & Guidance
BrightSpring has revised its full-year revenue guidance upward to a range of $12.2 billion to $12.6 billion, reflecting confidence in continued growth. The adjusted EBITDA guidance has also been increased to between $590 million and $605 million. Analysts tracked by InvestingPro share this optimism, with price targets ranging from $26 to $41, and a strongly bullish consensus recommendation of 1.31. The company anticipates ongoing double-digit growth in its specialty pharmacy segment and is targeting a leverage ratio of 2.0-2.5x by the end of next year, supported by a healthy current ratio of 1.76.
Executive Commentary
CEO Jon Rousseau highlighted the company’s strong position in the specialty pharmacy industry, stating, "We are serving markets in the specialty pharmacy industry that are massive, that continue to have huge innovation pipelines." He also emphasized the company’s focus on leveraging technology to drive efficiency, noting, "We continue to be a scale provider that can drive more sophisticated care innovation."
Risks and Challenges
- Regulatory changes in drug pricing could impact profitability.
- Market saturation in certain segments may slow growth.
- Macroeconomic pressures could affect consumer spending and healthcare budgets.
- Supply chain disruptions might hinder operational efficiency.
- Competition in the specialty pharmacy market remains intense.
Q&A
During the earnings call, analysts inquired about the potential impacts of drug pricing regulations and the company’s procurement initiatives. The management addressed concerns about home health rate challenges and highlighted the successful integration of recent acquisitions, such as Haven Hospice, which are expected to bolster future earnings.
BrightSpring Health Services continues to demonstrate strong growth potential, supported by strategic investments in innovation and operational efficiency. Despite the minor stock dip in aftermarket trading, the company’s positive outlook and revised guidance suggest a promising trajectory for the coming quarters.
Full transcript - Brightspring Health Services Inc (BTSG) Q2 2025:
Conference Call Operator: Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the BrightSpring Health Services Inc. second quarter 2025 earnings call. At this time, you are in listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and answer session. To ask a question at that time, please press STAR 1 1 on your touchtone telephone. To remove your question, please press STAR 1 1 again. Please stand by. Our conference will begin shortly. I would now like to hand the conference over to the first speaker today. You may begin.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Good morning.
David Deuchler, Investor Relations, BrightSpring Health Services: Thank you for participating in today’s conference call. My name is David Deuchler with Investor Relations for BrightSpring Health Services. I’m joined on today’s call by Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, and Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer. Earlier today, BrightSpring Health Services released financial results for the quarter ended June 30, 2025. A copy of the press release and presentation is available on the Company’s Investor Relations website. Please note that today’s discussion will include certain forward-looking statements that reflect our current assumptions and expectations, including those related to our future financial performance and industry and market conditions. Such forward-looking statements are not guarantees of future performance. These forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from our expectations.
We encourage you to review the information in today’s press release and presentation as well as in our quarterly report on Form 10-Q that will be filed with the SEC, including the specific risk factors and uncertainties discussed in our Form 10-K and Form 10-Q. Such factors may be updated from time to time in our periodic filings with the SEC, and we do not undertake any duty to update any forward-looking statements except as required by law. During the call, we will use non-GAAP financial measures when talking about the Company’s financial performance and financial condition. You can find additional information on these non-GAAP measures and reconciliations of our non-GAAP financial measures to their most directly comparable GAAP financial measures to the extent available without unreasonable effort in today’s earnings press release and presentation, which again are available on our Investor Relations website.
This webcast is being recorded and will be available for replay on our Investor Relations website. With that, I will turn the call over to Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Good morning everyone, and thank you for.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Joining BrightSpring’s second quarter 2025 earnings call. I would like to begin by expressing my gratitude to all of our BrightSpring teammates across the country who work hard to provide high quality and compassionate care to patients every day. They make a tremendous impact through the first half of the year. We have executed on our plans across the organization with a high level of focus and discipline, and we are pleased with the performance of our businesses. Second quarter results exceeded expectations and have us well positioned to continue to deliver on our goals for the balance of the year. We remain committed to disciplined growth across the company by executing in each of our markets while leveraging our scale and best practices, making smart growth investments, and continuing to provide the high quality of care to patients.
Before discussing BrightSpring’s second quarter performance, I would like to remind you that the company’s financial performance and 2025 guidance principally pertain to the continuing operations and do not include results from the Community Living business at this time. We expect the Community Living divestiture transaction to close in the fourth quarter of this year subject to regulatory approvals and typical closing conditions, and we continue to work with the FTC as they complete their second review of the transaction. For the second quarter, BrightSpring’s revenue and adjusted EBITDA both grew approximately 30% versus last year’s comparable quarter. Total company revenue of $3.1 billion represented 29% growth year over year, with Pharmacy Solutions revenue of $2.8 billion increasing 32% year over year and Provider Services revenue of $358 million increasing 11% year over year.
Total company adjusted EBITDA of $143 million in the quarter also grew 29% compared to the same period last year, driven by strong volume and revenue results across the businesses, particularly in our Onco360 and CareMed specialty pharmacy business. EBITDA margin for the company was 4.5%, which was flat compared to the second quarter of last year. Every service line in the company experienced solid growth as compared to last year, reflective of broad-based operational performance. Given the results in the quarter and with an updated outlook for the remainder of 2025, we are increasing total revenue and adjusted EBITDA guidance for 2025, with adjusted EBITDA guidance increasing by $20 million at the low and high ends of the prior range communicated in May to $590 to $605 million for the year.
As a reminder, this 2025 guidance excludes Community Living, which is reported as discontinued operations in our financial results.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: The $605 million upper end of the.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Guidance range would compare to $460 million in 2024 and $391 million in 2023 excluding the QIP and Community Living as well, and at the high end of the range would represent 31.5% growth versus 2024. Jen will discuss BrightSpring’s second quarter financial results and 2025 outlook in more detail shortly. At BrightSpring, we prioritize quality services, people, and continuous improvement in operations across the organization to deliver well-coordinated, comparatively lower cost, timely, and highly proximal care to patients in their preferred setting. We remain committed to leveraging our unique level of complementary scale while investing in areas that will enable further efficiencies, resulting in innovative and enhanced care services for complex patient populations. In the past quarter, we continue to grow volumes and win customers due to high patient and provider satisfaction scores, our reach, education and support of prescriber referral sources, and reliable end-to-end services for patients.
We have a very high quality standard and work hard every day to ensure our standards are met across the company. In home health, 90% of our locations achieve four or more stars, and we have a leading 98% timely initiation of care with services that have lowered patient hospitalizations and hospital readmission rates. In hospice, with a top 5% ranked hospice program in the U.S., our hospice quality Index score is well above national average, and we deliver 30% more visits to patients versus national average. In rehab, our patient satisfaction score remains at 99%, and our 4.54 satisfaction score out of 5 in personal care remains very high.
In infusion, our patient satisfaction score was approximately 95%, and our discharge rate due to completion of therapy was 96%, while in home and community pharmacy we had a 99.99% dispense accuracy, order completeness of 99%, and on-time delivery of 97%. Last, in specialty pharmacy, our medication possession ratio was 93%, much higher than the national average.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Time to first fill was 3.6 days.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Our Net Promoter Score in the most recent quarter remained at a best-in-class level, with CareMed, our growing rare and complex disease pharmacy, receiving a perfect NPS of 100. Overall, BrightSpring continues to exhibit excellent quality and patient and customer satisfaction across our business lines every day. Turning to the company’s financial results, total Pharmacy Solutions revenue grew 32% in the second quarter, and adjusted EBITDA also increased by 32% versus the prior year, with total pharmacy script volume growth of 7% to 10.9 million in the quarter. In the specialty and infusion business, revenue grew 39% year over year, exceeding expectations and underpinned by strong service levels with payer and manufacturing partners. Exceptional patient service continued, LDD wins and launches, generic drug conversion and utilization, and fee-for-service and hub growth.
Specialty scripts grew 38% in the second quarter, driven by continued performance from both brand LDDs and generic script growth. We ended Q2 with 131 LDDs, including five LDD launches in the quarter.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: distribution drug (LDD) portfolio has now expanded to.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: 133 therapies, and we expect 16 to 18 additional LDD launches over the next 12 to 18 months. In the second quarter, we were selected as the National Pharmacy Partner for a number of newly approved therapies in the treatment of advanced cancers and rare genetic disorders.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: We are proud of our ability to.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Support these therapies as a preferred pharmacy partner and are excited about the potential of these groundbreaking therapies to make a positive impact on patient lives. Turning to infusion, the business performed in line with our expectations in the quarter.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: With solid revenue and EBITDA year over year.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Year growth and benefiting from improved profitability, operational initiatives, and organic volume growth. Under augmented leadership in place in the quarter, we remain enthusiastic about the opportunity in both acute and chronic therapies, especially as we continue to make operational and technological enhancements in the business. In home and community Pharmacy revenue grew 11% in the quarter, driven by increased script volumes and customer wins. With solid EBITDA growth year over year, the positive performance in the quarter has been the result of timely and customized delivery of pharmacy services to assisted living, behavioral health, skilled nursing and rehab, hospice, PACE, and at-home facilities and settings, along with cost and process improvement initiatives. We believe that there exists attractive additional growth potential in these markets. Moving to the Provider Services segment, we are.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Proud of how the business performed, both.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: In the quarter and so far. In 2025, provider revenue grew 11% year over year and segment adjusted EBITDA also grew 11% with a segment adjusted EBITDA margin in the quarter of 15.8%. In home health care, comprised of the home health, hospice, and primary care businesses, revenue, which represents 50% of the revenue in the provider segment, grew 17% compared with the second quarter last year. Average daily census grew 6% year over year to over 30,000 with home health and hospice census growth of 10%. Our commitment to leading service quality has resulted in continued high patient satisfaction scores. We remain optimistic about the home-based primary care opportunity and have seen good traction thus far as we continue to leverage proximity and access to patients through our core pharmacy and provider services, building out our value-based care model.
More broadly, in rehab care, revenue that represented approximately 20% of provider revenue in the second quarter grew 9% year over year with 6% growth in persons served and approximately 10% growth in core rehab hours billed. Results in the business were driven by strong stakeholder satisfaction scores and neuro rehab program and Rehab in Motion de novo location additions. Both home health care and rehab EBITDA grew well into the double digits year over year on a percentage basis. In personal care, which represented approximately 30% of provider revenue in the second quarter, revenue growth was 4% driven by steady nominal growth in persons served in the quarter. We continued to provide high-quality patient support services for activities of daily living and saw strong satisfaction scores as a result.
While Community Living is not included in our continuing results and current guidance, the business continues to perform very well with stronger than ever quality metrics. Community Living adjusted EBITDA has grown well into the double digits year to date on a percentage basis. I would also like to discuss a few recent industry topics and help contextualize them as it relates to our business across the BrightSpring platform. We provide services for patients who need significant help with disease, illness, or accident treatment and recovery. Our businesses are crucial to the support and outcomes of some of the most acute and complex patients in the healthcare system and are provided in preferred and lower cost settings. As such, these services have tremendous value as evidenced by extensive studies, including many peer-reviewed articles in leading journals.
For example, home and community pharmacy interventions such as post-discharge medication reviews and follow-up calls have been shown to be 99% effective in keeping recently discharged patients at home. 65% of readmissions after a SNF to home transition are due to medication errors, and a pharmacy transitions program reduces readmissions by 23%. The average cost per day of home care is 90% less than hospital care, and hospice care is 98% less expensive per day than an ICU stay. Post-acute home health care reduces 90-day medical spend by 36% and readmission rates by 28%. 80% of ACOs report that post-discharge home visits are critical for cost containment of their most complex patients.
Patients that are discharged from the inpatient setting without home health are 43% more likely to die within 90 days compared to patients who do receive home health, 36% more likely to be readmitted, and 16% more likely to have an ED visit. Home-based palliative and hospice care is associated with $12,000 lower cost per patient in the final three months of life.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Largely due to a 35% reduction.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Medicare spending and a 34% reduction in hospital admissions in the final month. In our JAMDA published study in 2023, our home health combined with continued care Rx in-home med management showed a 70% reduction in hospitalizations. These are just a few of the ROI data points out there for our services that demonstrate their value. Over the last few months, CMS released several preliminary rates for service lines in which we operate, including hospice and home health. The preliminary hospice rate was as expected and adequate to cover annual expense increases and operational investments to continue to service patients with high quality care, and hospice care represents about two thirds of our home health care business. The preliminary home health rate was not adequate to cover annual expense increases and operational needs to support these patient populations.
It would be disruptive to patients and is in contrast to the voluminous amount of third-party data that demonstrates the significant patient health and cost outcome benefits from high quality home health services. However, we note that in the future the rate adjustments tied to the implementation of PDGM will fall away and home health rates are expected to improve with the final rate update TBD and coming out in the fall. We also note that home health is only approximately 1.5% of total company revenue today.
We still have relatively modest size in home health and have been growing into the market in a measured way and thus are minimally impacted by any rate changes today while expecting customary rate increases in the future as we further scale in both home health and hospice as well as rehab, primary care, and value-based care and the most attractive markets in pharmacy. As it relates to recent pharmacy regulatory topics such as pharma tariffs and the IRA, we do not believe that pharmacies are an intended source of economic change through policy. Pharmacies provide a critical and last mile service that physicians, manufacturers, and patients all recognize as being fundamental to the delivery of care. While policymakers discuss any potential policies, we are confident that they will always be thoughtful so as to not compromise patient care or access to essential medications.
We have a very experienced and informed government relations team who is working with state and federal agencies to help educate and inform the discussion on topics related to our services. Regardless of any policy and or industry dynamics at play, BrightSpring is always committed to operating at the highest level, providing exceptional care to patients and using many different growth levers as afforded to us by our differentiated platform.
Every year our company has some policy or industry issues that are favorable and some that are unfavorable, and we always work through these to deliver for our patients and stakeholders as evidenced by our almost decade-long 15% revenue and EBITDA CAGRs, which has been driven by the demand for our high ROI services and the quality and strong volume growth of our services, our scale-enabled efficiencies, and a near 100% success rate on accretive acquisitions that expand our geographic coverage. Overall, we are very pleased with our results in the second quarter and the first half of the year, with both periods realizing approximately 30% year-over-year adjusted EBITDA growth, our current full-year guidance representing similar to slightly higher growth, and we are enthusiastic about continued momentum and a high level of growth in 2026.
At BrightSpring, we strive to achieve consistency and quality, above-market volume growth, operational execution and efficiency, and leading performance in accretive acquisitions, all underpinned by our scaled platform of complementary services and deep functional capabilities. With that, I’ll turn the call over to Jen.
Thank you, John. Before I discuss our results for the second quarter of 2025, I’d like to remind you that in the first quarter of this year we began to record the Community Living business in discontinued operations as indicated in the press release and 10Q to adhere to accounting standards required on an interim basis. As such, all BrightSpring Health Services financial results and forecasts that I will discuss are related to continuing operations and exclude Community Living. Management believes the presentation of the non-GAAP financials from continuing operations is a useful reflection of our current business performance. In the second quarter of 2025, total company revenue was $3.1 billion, representing 29% growth from the prior year period. Pharmacy Solutions segment revenue in the quarter was $2.8 billion, achieving 32% year-over-year growth.
Within the Pharmacy Solutions segment, infusion and specialty revenue was $2.2 billion, representing growth of 39% from the prior year, and home and community pharmacy revenue was $587 million, representing growth of 11% year-over-year. Recently, we have fielded a few questions about a home and community pharmacy customer that filed for bankruptcy. We plan to continue to service them and will be paid as they undergo the bankruptcy reorganization. Our pharmacy and company results in Q2 reflect any impact from this situation, and we are fully reserved. There will be no go-forward charge, and we do not expect this to have any material impact to our ongoing business. In the Provider Services segment, we reported revenue of $358 million in the second quarter, which represented 11% growth compared to the prior year. Within the Provider Services segment, home health care reported $185 million in revenue, growing 17% versus last year.
Rehab revenue was $73 million, growing 9% versus last year, and personal care revenue was $100 million, representing growth of 4% year-over-year. Moving down the P&L, second quarter company gross profit was $375 million, representing growth of 20% compared with the second quarter of last year. Adjusted EBITDA for the total company was $143 million in the second quarter, growing 29% compared to the second quarter of 2024. Adjusted EPS for the total company was $0.22 for the second quarter. Our procurement and efficiency programs across the company helped contribute to growth, and we anticipate continued margin improvement throughout the remainder of 2025 as a result of these ongoing operational initiatives. Turning back to segment performance in the second quarter, Pharmacy Solutions gross profit was $234 million, growing 28% compared with the second quarter of last year.
Adjusted EBITDA for Pharmacy Solutions was $125 million for the second quarter, growing 32% compared to last year, representing an adjusted EBITDA margin of 4.5%, which was in line with our expectations. Provider Services gross profit was $141 million, growing 9% versus the second quarter of last year. Adjusted EBITDA for Provider Services was $56 million for the second quarter, growing 11% versus last year, representing an adjusted EBITDA margin of 15.8%, up 20 basis points versus last year, not included in the company’s reported adjusted EBITDA of $143 million. As previously stated, Community Living’s adjusted EBITDA was an additional $35 million in the quarter, an increase of 24% from the prior year in this business on a total company basis. Cash flow from operations was $49 million in the second quarter.
We continue to expect to deliver over $300 million of annual run rate operating cash flow in 2025 as we remain focused on improving our leverage ratio towards our goal of 3.0 times this year pro forma for the Community Living divestiture and towards our long term target of 2.0 times to 2.5 times, which at current trends could be realized by the end of next year and excluding acquisitions. As of June 30th, our net debt outstanding was approximately $2.5 billion with a leverage ratio of 3.6 times, which was in line with our internal projections. As previously mentioned, in January we expect approximately $715 million of net cash proceeds from the $835 million of gross cash consideration in the pending Community Living sale.
As a reminder, net interest expense includes interest income related to cash flow hedges due to our three received variable pay fixed interest rate swap agreements that we have in place set to mature on September 30, 2025. As part of our process to monitor and address risk during the first quarter, we entered into an extension of our interest rate hedge fund, providing stability to our interest rate risk through September 2026. Prior to any proceeds from the pending Community Living divestiture, quarterly interest expense is still expected to be approximately $43 million per quarter, including approximately $1.2 million of interest expense related to the TEU instrument. Turning to our guidance for 2025, we are increasing our expectations for total revenue and adjusted EBITDA that was provided in March, which excludes the Community Living business.
Total revenue is expected to be in the range of $12.2 billion to $12.6 billion, including Pharmacy Solutions revenue of $10.75 billion to $11.1 billion and Provider Services revenue of $1.45 billion to $1.5 billion. This revenue range reflects 21.1% to 25.1% growth over full year 2024, excluding Community Living in both years. Total adjusted EBITDA is expected to be in the range of $590 million to $605 million for full year 2025. This would reflect 28.2% to 31.5% growth over full year 2024, excluding Community Living in both years. Our increased total revenue guidance is primarily driven by an improved pharmacy revenue outlook, including growth in LDDs and generic drug conversion and utilization opportunities and consistent growth on the provider side.
Our adjusted EBITDA outlook reflects strong pharmacy growth in the second quarter and through the rest of the year, improved costs across pharmacy and provider from procurement and efficiency initiatives, strong provider performance and improved profitability trends in infusion, which continues to gain traction as we move throughout the course of the year. With that, I will now turn it back to Jon.
Thank you for your time today to go through BrightSpring Health Services’ second quarter 2025 results. We will now open up the call for questions. Operator, certainly.
Conference Call Operator: As a reminder to ask a question, please press star 11 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again. Please limit yourself to one question and a follow up. One moment for our first question. Our first question will be coming from Whit Mayo of Lee Rank Partners. Your line is open.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Yeah, hey Jon, maybe just start with the infusion performance in the quarter. I think you’ve referenced some leadership changes in the past, and just any expectations for growth over the next few years and how you’re positioning the business for growth within, I guess specifically within the acute market. Thanks.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Hey, good morning, Whit. Thank you for the question. Yeah, we were pleased with a lot.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Of the developments in the infusion business in the quarter.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: I would say from a progress perspective and from an operations perspective, you know it’s the best quarter we’ve had.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: A long time, and we expect more of the same.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: From a leadership perspective, we do have a new president.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Of that business, who started early in the quarter.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: We have a new operations leader.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Have a new sales leader.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: We have really focused on not only trying to make the business as.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Efficient as possible to drive optimal patient.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Outcomes and drug turnaround times, but also to do that hopefully with the best talent base that we have in the industry, as well as ongoing technological and process investments.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Super excited about the business.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: The business grew double digit on.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: adjusted EBITDA basis in the quarter.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: We expect much more of the same in the future. It certainly is one of our drivers.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: In the back half of the year.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: I view it as one of our top, certainly two or three, growth.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Drivers in the company in the future. In particular, we’re really excited about Acute. I’ve stated our strategy there before is to not abandon that market.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: I think like a lot of people have, it’s a tough market, but it’s also a very, very large market. It’s one that we are trying to make sure we have optimal customized processes too. We will certainly continue to address chronic therapies. We think having a broad-based strategy that also includes acute and focuses on professional services and nursing services.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Optimal payer relationships by the broad set.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Of services you do have is ultimately a winning strategy not only across the.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Home, but across clinics as well.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Numerous growth levers in infusion going forward provide essential services that dramatically reduce costs versus doing these types of procedures.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: In a hospital setting.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: We just continue to focus on.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: The team and the process there. Thank you. Great. Maybe just the follow-up on just the gross profit per script was up a good bit. Any comments around trying to square that performance would be helpful in the context of maybe what to expect for the rest of the year. Thanks.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Yeah, it was mixed. I’ll let Jen answer that a little bit more. The trends we saw in Q2 we see continuing.
Yes, as Jon mentioned in the script, there was 38% year over year growth in our specialty scripts. That has some of the highest gross profit per script, and we saw a skewing to that this quarter.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Thanks guys.
Conference Call Operator: One moment for our next question. Our next question will be coming from AJ Rice of UBS. AJ, your line is open.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Thanks. Hi everybody. You beat at least relative to consensus.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: By about $5 million in the second.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Quarter, and you’re raising the full year guidance by $20 million.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Clearly some uplift in the back half numbers.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: I know you had assumptions about a lot of positives coming into the year, coming into this quarter.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: What specifically is improved that result in?
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: That raise in the back half of the year? That’s different than coming into maybe the quarterly release.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Good morning, A.J.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Thank you.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: We do always have slightly higher margins and EBITDA contribution in the back half of the year just due to structural items like the way Mondays and Fridays and the number of days in the months in the back half versus the first half, as well as taxes that burn off into April and May throughout the year.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: That is part of it.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: I would say just continued momentum really across the company. Characterizing our performance was not just pharmacy, but continued real strength on the provider side. This is a business that continues to grow nicely into the double digits from an EBITDA perspective, and we’ve never been more positive about the provider segment.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Our company as well. Really broad based growth across the organization.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: As we look at the back half, continued momentum, we do have expectations for continued growth across the company. We see infusion continuing to grow more. We see home health and hospice from a volume perspective continuing to grow more in the second half. We do have quite a few efficiency, lean, and technology initiatives that have been hitting in Q2 and Q3 that we also expect to continue to contribute in the back half. There are some favorable rate developments in the back half as well, including the hospice rule. Jan, I don’t know if you had anything else.
I would just highlight especially within our home infusion and long term care pharmacy, we’ve had really focused efforts regarding those efficiency projects, additional procurement initiatives. Those are coming online, as Jon mentioned. Again, really strong performance in Provider Services, continuing to leverage our scale and just seeing an accretion of margin related to those projects.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Okay, great. Maybe my follow up just to.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Drill down a little bit on the development and M&A. You know, usually you do about 100.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Million in annual spend. Obviously this year you’ve got the Community Living divestiture deal pending, hopefully that goes through. You’ve got some priority on debt reduction, although most of that’s coming from your own divestiture. Any updated thoughts on either the pipeline or deals away from the Community Living transaction that you might be looking at?
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Yeah, I would just say more of the same. I mean we’ve certainly been a little bit measured here waiting for the outcome of the Community Living divestiture and what would happen on the Amedisys divestiture. There definitely and logically has been a wait and see approach, but more of the same in terms of our absolute baseline for MA which is 8 to 10 or so tuck-in acquisitions a year at very, very low multiples. We are continuing to work on those. You would see probably 5 to 10.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Of those in our current pipeline.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Tuck-ins, a lot of con type stuff at very low multiples. In some cases just buying a license. That’s been really been our M.O. this year as we’ve been waiting to see what happens with the divestiture and then the Amedisys transaction. We are having a very strong cash year. Our OCF should be comfortably above $300 million, and we’re pleased where we’re heading with leverage. I think this gives us more flexibility into the future should we choose to be a little bit more aggressive anytime. As we’ve been saying now for 20 months, our focus has been on driving the balance sheet to our target leverage level. Assuming the Community Living divestiture, again, we should be at or below three times by the end of the year. Our long-term goal that we’ve stated as of more recently is two to two and a half times.
We think we can be at that long-term goal of two to two.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: and a half times leverage as soon as next year.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: We continue to be focused on that with a baseline level of very accretive, small tuck-in M&A as we await the outcomes of some of these other transactions. Okay, great.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Thanks so much.
Conference Call Operator: One moment for our next question. Our next question will be coming from David Larson of BTIG. Your line is open.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Hi, congratulations on the good quarter.
David Deuchler, Investor Relations, BrightSpring Health Services: Jon, can you talk a little bit about the growth in the home health business? I don’t view the rule as being that material. I mean it’s less than 2% of total revenue. I have been getting questions. I think I heard you mention in your prepared comments that in 2017 there could be a 500 basis point lift because part of that proposed reduction is actually temporary. Just any color on growth and that rule. Thanks.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Yeah, you’re right. David, good morning. We don’t have a material impact from.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: The outcome of the home health rule.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Obviously, for the benefit of the industry and as an interested party, we do hope that the final rule better reflects the value that home health services provide. The ROI from home health is just simply unquestionable and profound, just reams and reams of data over.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: The past 30 years speaking to the.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Benefit on mortality rates, on reduced hospitalizations and improved outcomes at lower costs. Hopefully home health, just like many other and most other segments of healthcare services, will get the support it deserves going forward. I think you meant 2027. If the recoupment does go into place, TBD based on the final rule.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Some point that will burn off.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Go away as well. When it does, you’ll have a big uplift then. We are optimistic based on some language that we saw in the proposed rule, that home health rates will start moving up again at some point in the.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Near to medium term future.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Our approach to home health has been.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: A steady, but very measured growth into the space.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Therefore, we are not a massive home health provider today. We’re still a relatively modestly sized provider. Hospice is the predominance of what we do in home health and hospice today. We have been growing into it over time, and we feel like that strategy and scaling into it over time will dovetail nicely with a return to.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Warranted rate support in the home health care industry.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: We actually believe it’s a very interesting time to be a provider who’s.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Growing into this space creates a.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: lot of opportunities into the future. Thank you, David.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: We would agree. Great.
David Deuchler, Investor Relations, BrightSpring Health Services: Thanks very much.
I’ll hop back on the queue.
Conference Call Operator: Thank you. Our next question will be coming from Joanna Gajuk of Bank of America. Your line is open.
Hey, good morning.
Thanks so much for taking that question.
Maybe first question on the specialty.
Pharmacy, where it keeps, I guess, surprising to the upside. I’m not complaining, just the question.
You know, how much longer can you?
Grow at this pace? Would it be fair to assume 30% growth in specialty pharmacy can continue next year?
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Hey Joanna, good morning. I think what we’re seeing today is the benefits of a business and a business model, a value proposition, and a track record from a service and quality perspective that’s now been put.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: In place for close to 15 years. If you look at our service levels,
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Our quality is driving a lot of strong relationships with manufacturers and biopharma. If you look at the infrastructure investments we’ve made in the business up and down the patient journey and the patient process, if you look at the investments we’ve made on the business development side of the organization, making sure that we can properly educate and advocate for these therapies with thousands of prescribers and patients and their families every day to make sure they get the life-saving therapies that they need, that’s what we’ve done and it’s driving a solid amount of growth into the organization. It is a broad-based business too. We really try to partner closely and be the best partner we can with the payers, with the PBMs, and the manufacturers.
On the brand limited distribution drug (LDD) side, we also try to make sure that we drive generic utilization when the opportunity arises. We have a growing and a thriving fee-for-service and hub business as well. Growth is really coming from all dimensions of that business. We are serving markets in the specialty pharmacy industry that are massive, that continue to have huge innovation pipelines. As we sit here today, we do not see anything that changes that growth trajectory. We will continue to make the investments in the business and try to execute at the high levels that we are every single day.
Conference Call Operator: Thank you. If I may stay on pharmacy, the recent proposal for Medicare for outpatient hospitals includes a provision to equalize rates.
For some of the drugs provided by.
Doctors at hospitals get paid on the fee schedule.
I don’t know, is there some.
Opportunity for you guys from changes like that? Would you be willing to comment on that?
Thank you.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Yeah, Joanna, at this time, we’re not really sure if that would be an additional opportunity or not. We are serving the specialty pharmacy segment of the market, principally, which is outside of the hospital, outside of the physician office. That would be something that we’d have to further evaluate into the future.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Thank you.
Conference Call Operator: Great. Thank you so much. Our next question comes from Brian Tenquillet of Jefferies. Your line is open.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Hey, good morning, guys, and congrats on the quarter. Jon, as I think about LDDs maybe tying back to Joanna’s question, right? I mean, you did five introductions in Q2, it sounds like. Thinking about the pace and the remaining pipelines for LDD intros, and I know you talked about new agreements. I’m just curious what you can share with us in terms of what that pipeline looks like in the runway.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Yeah. Hey, good morning, Brian. Look, the biotech companies and the manufacturers are doing a terrific job of driving that innovation pipeline, continuing to bring more.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: More therapies to market.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: It’s as deep as ever. A lot of them are more and more specialized, and I would say more and more niche from a patient population perspective. That’s an area that we have continued to try to be a terrific partner on. What we have continued to say is we expect 16 to 18 new brand LDD launches. Most of these are either exclusives or.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: An ultra-narrow one of two pharmacy networks.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: 16 to 18 over the next 12 to 18 months. We’ve been saying that really for the past 20 months. That’s what we’re realizing as well. We have strong conviction that we will have another 16 to 20 limited distribution drug (LDD) partnerships 16 to 18 months from now. We’re really honored that we can bring these groundbreaking and life-changing therapies to patients as a partner with the innovators.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: That makes sense. As I think about gene and rare disease in the specialty pharmacy business, how big of a business is that for you guys right now? I know everyone thinks of oncology as the area of growth, but obviously there are emerging areas in the drug world that could drive incremental growth and incremental dollars. I’m just curious what you can share with us on that front.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Yeah, no thanks, Brian. That is a continually emerging area. Something people probably don’t realize too well is, there is a solid % of our therapies that would be defined as rare and orphan therapies as well. Some of those are in oncology, some.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Of those are not.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: That is an area that we continue to look at. I would say if you look at.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: distribution drug (LDD) wins in the last year.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: 30 to 40% of them have been in areas that would be defined as rare and orphan therapies as well. We continue to lean in to that market internally. It dovetails all of the critical success factors that have allowed us to build the model that we have on the oncology side.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Absolutely.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Directly apply to rare and orphan. I would say it does not go the other. Being successful in rare and orphan does not necessarily make it easy to more enter the oncology space. For example, you look at our huge business development salesforce investment that we could bring to bear, that you really don’t see as a characteristic in other markets. We’re constantly looking to see where we can leverage our core capabilities into adjacencies. That’s one that we have had a lot of success and we will continue to. I mean a good example is now going on about a year ago, we won the injectable for leqembi and we have to see how that plays out. We were an exclusive on that. We are always looking to leverage terrific relationships with biopharma into more areas.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: I appreciate that. Thanks Jon.
Conference Call Operator: One moment for our next question. Our next question will be coming from Charles Rhyee of TD Cowen. Your line is open.
Yeah, thanks for taking the question, Jon. I wanted to drill down on some of your prepared comments. I know a lot of people have asked about the LDDs. Obviously, when you look at some of the data from IQVIA, we saw improving also generics as well. Just maybe anything that you’re seeing there. We saw generic unit penetration rates improving for oncology as well. Anything that you’d specifically call out in the quarter? It seems like when you look at the script growth and the revenue growth as well, maybe it’s mostly LDD launches. Just curious how much generics might have had played a part in sort of the upside in the quarter.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Yeah, thanks, Charles.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Good morning. In terms of our value proposition across pharmacy of driving better med adherence, which without that is one of the two leading causes of hospitalization, and driving generic utilization, all of this drives outcomes and cost reduction in the value chain. We do focus on exactly that in the latter of generic utilization when there is the opportunity. I think one thing that’s interesting to note is over the last six or seven years we’ve continued to increase our investment into that clinical liaison team out in the field covering thousands and thousands of doctors’ offices and oncology offices every day. You know what that really does is makes us the de facto sales.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Force for generic drugs, right?
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: When a drug goes from brand to generic, a lot of the detailing goes.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Away from the brand.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: We have invested in a very large clinical liaison force that is out there every day with decades-long relationships with prescribers, and we are able to effectualize that conversion as rapidly as we can to drive that market share. There is a business model that has been in place for a long time that we continue to try to refine.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Even further every year.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: With some of the generic launches that occurred going back several years ago, one significant one in Q4, we’ve now had about three already in this year. We’ve got several more including Pomalyst next year. We are just really trying to do.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Our part to drive utilization and pull.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Through when those events happen.
I’m sorry.
Yeah, thanks. I appreciate that. Just maybe as a follow up, obviously the other day the President announced or apparently wrote some letters to pharma, kind of reviving sort of the discussion around most favored nation pricing. Obviously that’s really aimed at the drug industry, but I know that folks have thought through maybe potential indirect effects that it might have downstream. Just curious, as you’ve maybe evaluated in the past, whether that’s the executive order that was signed back in May, or just thinking through potential unintended consequences of some of these measures, maybe you can kind of opine on sort of your thoughts on how this might affect BrightSpring Health Services and, or just pharmacy, the pharmacy world in general.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Sure, sure.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: I mean, I would say at the outset it’s very difficult for us to comment on this topic as it is all extremely uncertain. We did not see yesterday as any new news. You know, clearly there are ongoing negotiations.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Between the administration and the pharmacy industry.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Yesterday’s letter was just the latest, albeit public, position, which has been very similar to the executive order previously a couple months ago. I think the biopharm industry has made many public commitments as part of this negotiation process. We certainly don’t have insight into it. I think it would be reasonable to assume that these discussions are going to continue. We don’t believe, just given our strong value proposition in terms of what.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: The pharmacies do to drive outcomes and cost reduction and generic utilization, we do not believe that the pharmacies or other providers of critical services to patients are.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: An intended target of any of these negotiations, any outcomes from the government.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Industry that are being discussed, you know.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Are really likely to play out, if any, over a very.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Very long period of time.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: I guess the only other sort of comment here is, you know, IRA is already going to be in effect. IRA really gets at a lot or most of what this is about, you know, and we’ve already, you know, sort of bracketed in a downside what we think that impact could be, which is extremely manageable. We are continuing to work with policymakers to try to make sure that the pharmacies are not impacted by that and that work is ongoing. From a Medicaid perspective, Medicaid drug rates are already extremely low in states, and patients do realize other cost reduction vehicles and access programs today. I would say, as it relates to our company, we are extremely diversified. Generics make up, you know, the vast.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Majority of what we do here.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: From a profitability standpoint, they make up the majority of what we do. We continue to drive generics and, ultimately, it’s extremely uncertain, but if there were changes in drug pricing models into the future, we just believe that payment models would ultimately evolve to address that, cost plus, dispensing fees, professional fees, like.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Many other parts of healthcare are reimbursed.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: You know, the payment system would just naturally adjust. I’d also just call out idiosyncratically to our company. We are getting to a place of having an extremely strong balance sheet. As I said before, we’re optimistic about.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Potentially reaching our long-term leverage goal.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Of two to two and a half times as soon as next year. We’re also a scale provider, which gives us a lot of M&A opportunities. Regardless of the policies that are out there, we have an extremely.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Strong value proposition that I think all policymakers really realize.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Regardless of the environment, we feel like we will be able to effectively navigate that. We just continue to be proactive in educating all parties as to the value and the benefits of the pharmacy.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: The value chain.
Conference Call Operator: Great.
Really appreciate the comments. Thanks a lot.
One moment for our next question. Our next question will be coming from Erin Wright of Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.
Erin, hi, good morning. In terms of underlying market share gains and competitors getting out of the market, we’ve known about that for some time. It’s been going on for some time, whether it’s quorum or otherwise. How do you think about that as a driver going forward? Maybe in going to what you were just saying in terms of M&A opportunities on the back of any sort of regulatory type of disruption too across the market, could that bring opportunities for you? How do you think about organic opportunities as well as we think about others getting out of the market and how long of a tail you have there? Thanks.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Good morning, Aaron. Certainly you looked at some of the things that happened on the acute side of the market in infusion the last couple of years. Those have been opportunities for us.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Others in the market.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: As I said before, we do believe that the acute market in infusion is an attractive one. I don’t know exactly, but it is some $8 to $10 billion, you know, sort of market size, which creates tremendous opportunity, you know, if you can move your market share, say from, you.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Know, 10%, 15% to 30%, to 35%.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: That is something that we are really focused on, as it relates more broadly to other providers. That is something that we are regularly looking to do. If you look at our M&A track record, our average pro forma.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Multiple over a long period of time is about 4x.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: We really do focus on opportunistic situations where we can bring the best practices and the synergies of our scaled platform to bear. I think the statistic now is that we’re something like 66 out of 68 on acquisitions, where what we have acquired is higher on EBITDA than when we.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Bought.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: is literally almost an unblemished track record of being able to do acquisitions and grow them post close. Our base case for the industry on the pharmacy side is really no significant disruption. I think our platform positions us extremely well. As I’ve said before, we just really believe in healthcare moving forward, that you do have to be a scale provider that can drive more sophisticated care innovation, leveraging technology and driving efficiency. That’s just a necessity, and it’s beneficial in so many different ways. I think we continue to realize.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: The benefits of that.
One quick one, just on your mix, on the specialty pharmacy side, have you given, and maybe I’ve missed it in my notes or in your remarks in the past, but have you given a generic penetration rate?
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: I do not believe that we have.
Okay, all right, thank you.
I would say that we have continued to say that, you know, as a pharmacy, a key part of our value proposition is driving generic utilization. We’re very proud of that. Generics are good for everybody. That is the majority of our business on the pharmacy side across our platforms.
Okay, thank you. Appreciate it.
Conference Call Operator: Our next question will be coming from Matthew Gilmer of KeyBank. Your line is open.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Matthew, hey, thanks. I wanted to see if you could provide some details on the procurement efforts that you’ve mentioned. I appreciate it’s probably a normal part of managing the business. Is there anything in particular happening this year that makes procurement more of an opportunity? Maybe in terms of your scale or.
David Deuchler, Investor Relations, BrightSpring Health Services: In terms of just contracts that are up?
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Yeah.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Good morning.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: I would say when we refer to, quote, unquote, procurement, it goes across literally almost everything we’re buying in this company. It’s not just delivery, it’s not just drugs, it’s not just supplies. We have a very robustly sized procurement team. We use ongoing monitoring and tracking with our data systems and technology to literally constantly be looking at everything we are buying and leveraging our scale as much as we can. It’s a team that is working on 20 to 30 projects at all times. It really spans across every dimension of what we buy in the company, and it continues to drive savings every year. I think that will just continue more into the future. Obviously, if you look at our company, we start with the biggest spend in the company. You can probably think about what that is.
Then we go down from there, and we work on all of it. We try to do that in.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: A very constructive way with our partners.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: As we have continued to scale the company at very high volume rates, that has continued to benefit us on the cost side in driving more and more efficiencies. It really goes beyond just trying to buy better. We are looking at continuous improvement that.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Is embedded in our culture across all of our processes.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Something that we were close to saying in our prepared remarks, but we did not.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: I think in the next quarter.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: We might say a little bit more about it. We really continue to lean into technology and automation, and now AI.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: The company as well.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: We’ve continued to make a lot of really terrific hires in the organization through the year. While we’re experiencing this growth and continued growth, we want to continue to invest for years out and plant more and more seeds for growth three to five years from now. Part of that is reflected in the amount of key hires that we just continue to make from the outside in terms of people through and through the organization. We’ve done that in infusion, we’ve done.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: That in home and community pharmacy.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: We’re doing that in our IT shop as well. I mean, you look at our EMRs.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Intake, rev cycle, scheduling operations, patient management.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: In every one of those areas, we have ongoing automation and AI initiatives right now, and we’re really excited about that. We look at something like home and community pharmacy, and we see a couple.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: $100 million of cost opportunities still ahead of us in the next three years.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Now we have to go execute against that, but those are the types of things that we are working on every single day here.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Got it. I appreciate it. I’ll leave it there.
Conference Call Operator: Thank you. Our next question will be coming from Larry Salo of CJS Securities. Your line is open, Larry.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Great, thanks. Good morning everybody.
David Deuchler, Investor Relations, BrightSpring Health Services: I guess just first question, anything?
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Update on just bundling the services and your value-based contract efforts with ACOs that you can provide.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Hey Larry. Good morning. I would say that business continues to progress along. You know we are going to see nice performance year over year in that business this year. You know that is a solidly profitable business. Between our ACO shared savings that we will realize and our little but growing ISNP plan in the future progressing directionally. Positive, positive year over year. We are making more and more investments in that business to try to scale that even faster.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: We’ve got some new people in that business here in the last three to six months.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: I think that’s one that really getting into next year and 2027.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: I think we can start to really.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Talk more about and potentially start to break out some numbers on in terms of it being a more material EBITDA contributor. That is an area that continues to get a lot of internal attention. It’s a slower build, but it’s one that we continue to focus on.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: You had thrown out $100 million potential target in five years for EBITDA. Is that still something that you’re comfortable with?
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: That is still our internal goal, yes.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Great.
David Deuchler, Investor Relations, BrightSpring Health Services: Secondly, just a quick.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Follow up just on your build out your hospice efforts. Just quick question just on Haven Hospice. I think it’s about a year now since you bought that one. How’s that progressing?
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Haven would be a really good example of our M&A prowess and what we’re able to do. I mean, that was a business that was essentially losing money a year ago, and now it is performing extremely well, well ahead of expectations. We will probably work ourselves into a four times multiple there. I would say run rate probably within the next six months. Team has just done an absolutely terrific job.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Great. Appreciate the thoughts. Thanks.
Conference Call Operator: I would now like to turn the call back to Jon for closing remarks.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Thank you for joining us, everybody, today. We really appreciate it. Thank you for all the questions.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: We hope you have a great day.
Jon Rousseau, Chief Executive Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: We look forward to talking with you again after Q3. We really appreciate your time and attention. Have a good one.
Jennifer Phipps, Chief Financial Officer, BrightSpring Health Services: Bye.
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