Earnings call transcript: Oneflow AB's Q3 2025 sees first positive EBITDA

Oneflow AB reported its Q3 2025 earnings, highlighting a significant milestone with its first positive EBITDA of SEK 7.1 million. The company showed robust financial growth with a 21% increase in net sales to SEK 43 million. The stock reacted positively, rising by 4.09% to a last close of SEK 26.9, reflecting investor confidence in the company's strategic direction and financial performance.

Key Takeaways

• Oneflow achieved its first positive EBITDA of SEK 7.1 million.
• Net sales rose by 21% year-over-year to SEK 43 million.
• The stock price increased by 4.09% following the earnings release.
• The company is focusing on profitability and expanding into North America.

Company Performance

Oneflow AB demonstrated strong performance in Q3 2025 with significant improvements in its financial metrics. The company achieved a 19% year-over-year growth in Annual Recurring Revenue (ARR), reaching SEK 179.7 million. This growth is complemented by a strategic focus on profitability and expansion into new markets, particularly North America.

Financial Highlights

• Revenue: SEK 43 million, up 21% year-over-year
• Gross Margin: 93%
• EBITDA: SEK 7.1 million, compared to -SEK 7 million in Q3 last year
• Year-to-date EBITDA improved by 71%

Market Reaction

Following the earnings announcement, Oneflow's stock price increased by 4.09%, closing at SEK 26.9. This positive movement reflects investor confidence, with the stock trading closer to its 52-week high of SEK 42.9. The market's reaction underscores the positive sentiment towards Oneflow's profitability and strategic initiatives.

Outlook & Guidance

Looking forward, Oneflow has set a long-term ARR growth target of 30%. The company plans to focus on enhancing profitability while continuing to invest in product development and market expansion, particularly in North America. These strategic initiatives are expected to drive further growth and strengthen Oneflow's competitive position in the contract lifecycle management sector.

Executive Commentary

CEO Anders Hamnes emphasized the company's strategic focus, stating, "Excellence is to achieve more with less." He also highlighted Oneflow's ambition to become a thought leader in the industry, asserting, "We want to be one of the big players in the field. We want to be a thought leader."

Risks and Challenges

• Customer Acquisition: Challenges in top-of-funnel customer acquisition could impact growth.
• Market Expansion: Successfully entering the North American market requires significant investment and strategic execution.
• Economic Conditions: Broader economic pressures could affect customer spending and contract renewals.

Q&A

During the earnings call, analysts focused on churn management and the company's path to profitability. Executives expressed confidence in reaching profitability with current funding and highlighted organizational stability following recent changes. The ambition to expand Oneflow's market presence and thought leadership in contract lifecycle management was also discussed.

Full transcript - Oneflow AB (ONEF) Q3 2025:

Anders Hamnes, CEO, Oneflow: Okay. It's time. Welcome to this update of the highlights from the third quarter interim report for Oneflow. My name is Anders Hamnes. I'm the CEO of the company, and next to me we have.

Natalie Jelveh, CFO, Oneflow: Natalie Jelveh, CFO of Oneflow.

Anders Hamnes, CEO, Oneflow: As always, please use the Q&A function in Zoom and not the chat, and we will get back to your questions at the end of this presentation. First, some highlights for the quarter. ARR closed in at SEK 179.7 million, and we also published yesterday the end-of-October numbers, which was SEK 179.9 million. We had a currency headwind of around SEK 700,000 in October, and year-to-date we had a currency headwind of SEK 4.2 million. ARR had the same growth rate in Q3 as in Q2, closed in at 19% or 19.5%, actually, but yeah. Net new ARR up 19% year-over-year, SEK 8.5 million in net new ARR, which is actually up 30% since Q2 this year. ARR per full-time employee, 37% growth year-over-year. Net and gross retention came in also at the same level as in Q2, 87% on gross and 97% on net.

To the maybe biggest highlight of the quarter, positive EBITDA, 16% on EBITDA and minus 12% on EBIT. EBITDA for Q3 last year was minus 17%, and last quarter we had minus 20%. As always, we'd just like to take this opportunity and share with the new participant briefly what we do at Oneflow. We are a contract lifecycle management platform. We help people in sales, procurement, legal, finance, HR, all departments to manage contracts. The full lifecycle end-to-end solution, you can create flexible templates in Oneflow, you can collaborate in real time, of course you can approve and sign and post-sign, you can manage contracts inside Oneflow.

You can be on top of your obligations and liabilities, get notifications, filter, analyze, and we also have a lot of really powerful AI solutions both in the pre-sign and the post-sign buckets to help and assist our users to make better calls and to be on top of everything. One of the great advantages with Oneflow is that you can save a lot of time compared to working with Word, PDF, or even e-sign. I mean, there are a lot of e-sign vendors in the market, as you know, that focus on the sign bar in the middle here, but they only solve a very small part of a much bigger problem, in our opinion. This year has been quite eventful for the company. We have made a lot of changes in the company, not only in headcount but even in headcount.

We have also made two very important hires this year. We all have our sweet spot, and the phase that Oneflow is in right now, the stage that we are in right now, and also where we are heading, we needed a different kind of leaders in the top management team. We have added two really, really strong profiles to the company. Marcus started as Chief Revenue Officer in June this year, and I think it's funny just to mention that he even has a doctor's degree. I mean, that's not so common, a doctor's degree in organizational leadership. He has extensive experience within sales, marketing, strategy, leadership, specifically within B2B SaaS and B2B, actually B2B software in general.

He also spent nine years in ProSales, a company working dedicated with research, advice, and strategy, and either leadership training for companies in the B2B space. A really, really interesting background for what we needed in our CRO profile. Christoph started quite recently in September, also a very, very heavy track record within product and product management. He came from a role as Head of Product at Entercard, almost six years at Entercard. A little funny side note is that Christoph actually worked in Oneflow sometime back. He spent two years there from 2017 to 2019. At that time, it was a very small company. Christoph was the only guy in product, and he was a solo player. At that time, maybe the company was not the best fit for Christoph because his profile is more for bigger teams like we are now.

We have kept him warm over the years because it was also kind of a big loss back then, but we are super happy to have him back in the team. Before we dive into the numbers, just some highlights from the product. Of course, we do not list all the things we do in the product. We just mention some of the bigger events. Otherwise, this list would have been really long. In Q3, we added what we call internal notes, so we can have notes to document in the company and, of course, collaborate with notes and so on across the team. AI summary, you can get a brief summary of the most important stuff in your contracts in a second instead of reading the whole contract. We are constantly, constantly doing a lot of improvements in our AI insights offering.

It's a really powerful feature. You can scan through all your contracts, find deviations, and so on. Before, we had fixed playbooks, but now you can even customize your own playbooks. This is really, really powerful. Customize even severity and breach risk levels and so on, and everything you do, write, closes, feedback, and so on will inform our AI agent and make it more accurate and more exact. This is not based on ChatGPT, so this has been trained on contracts for very many years, a lot of years. This is really, really a product that we're really, really proud of. Data retention, of course, we are in the kind of compliance business. Contract is your goal, it's your obligations, it's your everything, so we need to be top-notch on that.

We had a lot of new rules and more flexibility when it comes to data retention that was launched during the quarter. It is very important, especially for enterprise companies. White labeling, you can now have a much stronger brand profile with the counterparties in the contract. Oneflow is toned down. If you'd like, you can brand your mails and contracts and so on in different ways. Personal time zone and data format, we have always had this on a more kind of basic level, but now it is way more powerful. This is obviously very important for big enterprises working globally, and to us, this was kind of a thing we just needed to upgrade heavily when we opened our office in the US a few weeks back. Integrations is one of the kind of key features in Oneflow.

We have a lot of really powerful integrations, and this is kind of an ongoing thing. We had several improvements this quarter on HubSpot, Dynamics, Pipedrive, and Upsales, and we even launched a new integration to Lime CRM. We had an old one that was just sunset, but now it's a new, totally new integration to Lime and Talent Recruitee, an ATS system. After the quarter, we made several new improvements to SuperOffice and even to Lime, and we also launched what we call multiple custom email domains. This is maybe also a feature for enterprises and global teams operating in different regions, so you can send contracts from different emails based on what regions and so on you are active in. Let's go into the numbers. Net new ARR closed in at SEK 8.5 million in the quarter, 19% growth year-over-year.

If you look on the graph to the right, you can see that, or even to the left, actually, you can see that we have a nice trend this year. It has been increasing quarter on quarter, and even 8.5 is up around 30% since Q2 this year. Heavy currency headwind, as we said in the beginning of the deck, so SEK 4.2 million year-to-date. If we zoom in at the numbers for the third quarter, we actually had an all-time high in new ARR, an all-time high in expansion ARR, but we also had an all-time high in churn ARR. That was why the net new was pushed a little bit down. It is still quite windy outside. It has been windy for some time now. Gross new ARR, so if you add net, sorry, if you add new and expansion, you get gross new ARR.

We had SEK 14 million in the quarter, and this was just behind the all-time high across all quarters, which was SEK 14.5 million, actually. Gross new was actually quite good, but the big bully here is the churn, actually. We also had end-of-Q3 signed contracts worth around SEK 6.6 million that will be recognized after the quarter. ARR almost SEK 180 million now, and this is a 19% growth year-over-year. If we fix the currency, it would have been slightly north of 20%. We have guided the market before, and we reiterate our same guiding that we're still going to stick with a goal of reaching 30% growth again. Now we made a quite hard turn right to become profitable.

If you go back a few years, we did not expect it to be kind of this rough, the right turn, but we have been selling a little bit more over the last few years than we were planning to do, so that was why we needed to just make this turn a little bit rougher. Of course, it is hard to balance becoming profitable and also to maintain the high growth base. Our focus is now primarily to become profitable and try to grow as much as we can, but it is heavily weighted over to profitability at the moment. This is going to shift, obviously, but we will comment more on that later. How can we see an accelerating growth again? Obviously, many factors always, but one, obviously, the external factor is the market fundamentals. At some point, that might change.

We do have a lot of new features and product enhancements all the time, so there are gaps in the product that we know about. We know the pain points. We know why we lose when we lose. We know why we win when we win, of course. We have a very, I would say, really, really interesting backlog for 2026 to fix that. We have launched many really, really heavyweight AI features over the last few years. I'm not sure, actually, if the market recognizes this in the same way as the private market does these days, to be honest. This is not some AI fluff that a lot of companies talk about these days. I mean, even my toothbrush has AI on it today. I mean, we have really invested heavily in AI over years now.

I'm really proud of what we have to offer, what we can offer. Most what we experience in the market when it comes to selling AI is that most companies are still sitting a little bit on the botch. Customers are very immature when it comes to AI. We all talk about it. We all use ChatGPT for kind of maybe polishing some email or whatever, but this is not, I mean, using AI in your work to analyze stuff and so on is still a little bit immature. What we see now is that more and more companies actually take the step and start to experiment with AI in a different way, which is a very interesting sign for the future. We are in a great position at Oneflow. We are not in the backseat.

We are having our hands on the wheel in the front seat here, and mid and long term, we see this can have a big impact for Oneflow. Of course, we do a lot of improvements in our go-to-market motion and in our product as well all the time. A lot of things here are going to play together and going to bend the curve at some point. We had an ARR per FTE end of Q3 at around SEK 1.1 million, which is up almost 40% year-over-year. In combination with an ARR growth of almost 20%, this is, in our opinion, at least quite impressive. Efficiency is about achieving more with less, and that is exactly what we're doing at the moment. This is an important KPI, obviously, because we are an ARR company.

99% of the revenue is recurring, and we don't basically, I mean, gross margin is 93%, so it's a very, very small cogs here. Our main cost is salary, salary and salary. This is why this metric should be a good indicator for when we're going to break the magic line and become profitable at some point. Yeah. Net and gross retention rate was stable from Q2 this year, 87% and 89%. Gross retention includes churn and downgrade and not expansion, and net retention rate includes everything, churn, downgrade and expansion. Over the last few years, two years, one and a half year actually, we've had a quite balanced mix between downgrade and churn. Or when I say churn now, I mean terminations. It's around 50-50, and it's the same kind of mix now in Q3, 50-50, 50% downgrade and 50% terminations.

I know that some companies do not report actually downgrades, but that is what you should do, of course. It has stabilized now, and the drivers for increasing the net retention rates, obviously, as we said in the two slides ago, underlying market fundamentals, new features, new integrations, product enhancements, gaps. We have a lot of really, really interesting AI features that are ready for market that might not be as ready yet as our features, but that is going to change soon, we think. GTM and product-wise, many, many changes, and even product packaging is something that is going to, we believe, is going to help us out here to bring the net and gross back to where we want them to be. Paying customers increased 12% year-over-year, and the average customer value up 6% just hit the SEK 40,000 mark.

We believe that the ACV is going to continue to increase going forward. This is a very important focus area for us at the moment. Again, it is about features, deeper integrations, adding more value to customers, and solving new problems to customers. Packaging is also going to be a very important component here to increase the ACV. We do constantly renegotiate contracts with our customers, and we also have this marketplace that we launched earlier this year where we are upselling add-ons to the plans that our customers are in. Maybe I will leave the stake to you now, Natalie. Thank you so much. Take it over. Perfect. We continue to increase our net sales, and that is, of course, in line with our increase in ARR growth. We have improved our net sales with 21%, ending up at SEK 43 million in Q3.

Also, looking from a year-to-date perspective, we can see that we have actually improved our net sales with 25%, closing at SEK 124 million year-to-date numbers compared to SEK 99 million we had in the same period last year. Sweden is still our strongest market when it comes to the net sales. It stands for 59% of our net sales, but we're quite strong in the Nordics. We have Norway at 14% and Finland at 10%. The remaining 17% comes from the rest of the world. If we look at the shares of net sales coming from regions outside of Sweden, we see that percentage steadily increasing. We ended up at 41%, which is approximately the same percentage we had last quarter. However, we do believe that this percentage will increase as we expand into other regions outside of the Nordics.

The majority, almost all our net sales is connected to our software recurring revenue, which stands for 98% of our net sales, and the remaining 2% comes from professional services. As you can see, our gross margin continues to be quite high and strong at 93%. Looking at the last quarters, we are around 93%, but we do think that we do know that the gross margin will slightly decrease in upcoming periods. Now, the reason for that, if you look at the cost of service sold expenses that we have, the majority of that, or the large portion of that, is connected to sales commission to our partners. Now, the partner channel is very important to us, of course. A really strong channel we have and a very important partnership that we recently engaged to was the partnership that we have with Oneflow North America.

Now, Oneflow North America is a company that is established on the North American market, and that is our way to expand in the North American market. As you know, the North American market is a big market with great potential. Besides the partnership agreement that we have with North America, we also have 20% ownership in Oneflow North America. I'm happy to share that we have actually closed our first deal and many more to come from North America. We have a really strong leadership team in Oneflow North America, so there's very good and high potentials on a rapid expansion in that market. Besides the partnership agreement and 20% ownership that we have in North America, we also have an option to buy the remaining 80% of that company.

Initially, we do believe that the gross margin will decrease because the partner commission will increase. In a couple of years, when we make the decision to buy the remaining 80%, of course, our gross margin will increase a bit, approximately at the same level that we have today. As Anders mentioned in the beginning of the presentation, this quarter is a very big financial milestone for Oneflow. We closed EBITDA at positive with a positive number of SEK 7.1 million. This is a really great improvement if you look at the last quarter at minus SEK 8.5 million, but also compared to where we were one year ago at minus SEK 7 million. A really important milestone has been achieved this quarter with a positive EBITDA. Also, if you look at the year-to-date numbers for EBITDA, we closed at minus SEK 10 million, and this is to compare with last year.

We have approximately at minus 35. This is a 71% improvement from where we were one year ago. Also looking at EBIT, EBIT have also, of course, improved significantly during the quarter, closing at SEK -5 million to compare to the SEK -16 million we had one year ago. Also, from a year-to-date perspective, we have improved EBIT with 27%, closing at SEK -45 million for 2025 year-to-date. A really big milestone for Oneflow this quarter. Also looking at the EBIT and EBITDA margin, we have an EBITDA margin that is positive, closing at +16%. Compare this to where we were one year ago, -17%. This is a really big achievement this quarter. More to come, of course, as you know, as Anders mentioned, our most important priority right now is to steer Oneflow towards profitability.

That's a really big focus that we have. EBIT closed at -12%, but our prediction is, of course, continue the work that we've done, the reviewing the way that we work. We have a really great organization, a strong organization, a really good product and the expansion that we do in North America, all focused right now on driving Oneflow towards profitability. Stabilizing the cost base, having this strong organization, a very strong product, but also continue to grow in ARR. We have not changed. Our financial goals are remaining. We do believe in an ARR growth above 30%, and this is a long-term perspective. This is long-term financial goals that we have, but also to reach profitability with current funding.

As Anders mentioned, in the short run, we do understand that we do not have the 30% year-over-year growth when it comes to ARR, but in the long run, that is our ambition. Let's see if we've received any questions in the Q&A. Yeah, a lot of questions. A lot of questions. Yeah. I can read this one for you, Natalie. Have we seen full effects from the personal reorganization carried out last quarter, or is more effects expected to be seen in Q4? As we mentioned in the last report, the Q2 report, from an accounting perspective, we do need to take into account the reorganization that we did in June, the full cost of that in our books. That cost has already hit our books in Q2.

However, from a cash flow perspective, of course, it looks a bit different because we have some costs that we still need to pay out. We always review our organization. We always make sure that we work in the most efficient way. We always have a really, really close look at our cost base and make sure that we try to make sure that we do not have any necessary costs, of course, but that in connection to still do improvements in the product, do improvements in tech stack that we may need to continue to have growth. Looking into Q4 and Q3, of course, there will be some changes. We do changes all the time. I cannot talk about exactly how big effects will come, but we always review our organization and the cost base that we have. Can you read the next one? Sure. Yes.

You emphasized profitability and cost awareness in recent years. How much has that focus to profitability been the reason for the slowdown in your growth? Yeah. Obviously, this is kind of the Holy Grail or the big question for us internally always. We have to, there are two kind of main important KPIs that we strive for. It's growth and it's profitability or EBIT margin. This is a balance, obviously. At the moment, the focus is heavily on becoming profitable. That's, of course, going to, has made a hit on growth. I mean, we would have been growing more if we didn't have to turn right so hard as we have done. I would say that the main focus is profitability at the moment. At some point, we're going to achieve that goal, and then we're going to change our priorities.

Still, we're going to have a goal of improving the EBIT margin going forward, but not at the same pace as we have seen now. It's going to be a different pace. It's going to be quarter by quarter, smaller improvements on the EBIT margin. The main focus for us will be to achieve growth here. It is much harder to achieve good growth than to be profitable. I know that many investors look at this Rule of 40 formula or model. I would say that the weakness with this model is that it puts equal weight on growth and profitability. In real life, it shouldn't be equal because it is much, much harder to grow than to be profitable. We can be profitable now, bang, if you want to.

I would say that actually Bessemer Venture Partners had a much better approach to it, I would say. They have something that's called the Rule of X. They weight growth three times more than EBIT margin, which I think is a much more fair way to look at it because that reflects how harder it is to achieve growth. We're going to put more focus on growth than making a really, really fast EBIT margin improvement going forward, but we are going to improve it step by step. That's important, obviously. The next question is a bit linked to that. What type of actions and investments could you do once we've reached profitability to achieve growth? Sorry, what kind of investments? What kind of actions and investments would we make once we reach profitability to increase growth? Yeah, that is growth, ARR growth.

Oh my God. This is, yeah, this is a luxury question. We have a lot of, we know exactly what we should do. I mean, we can't, of course, expose that to this meeting. This is not, I mean, we always track, we are very KPI nerdy. We track a lot of stuff. We have even a team of three people only working with data in Oneflow. Even actually the Rhodes team, those also focus a lot on data. We have a lot of people focusing on data. We know exactly how much one, I can give an example of an important KPI. There are many more, but one important KPI is GTM efficiency, which measures how efficient every motion that you do are. You can see how many months it takes for us to get payback from this investment.

We know exactly everything we do, how efficient we are. We know the GTM efficiency for every motion, every team, every country, everything we do. We know where to double down. We know what to do less of and what to kill. To find, to invest more in the motions that have more attractive payback time is not hard for us to find. More specific than that, it would be, I can't be more specific than that in this meeting. The next question, is there any seasonality or quarter-to-quarter patterns in your sales or profitability that investors should be aware of? For example, Q3 is typically a more profitable quarter compared to others. Yes, there are. Basically, Q3 is usually from an accounting perspective, lower in cost from an accounting perspective.

That is due to vacation periods because we do accrue vacation throughout the year and then release it once people go on vacation. Normally, many of us here in the Nordics go on vacation during Q3, July and so on. That also applies when it comes to sales numbers because the industry, especially in the Nordics, closes down for approximately one month, and then it is quite hard to do sales if no one is on the other side of the table. However, what we also see now, I mean, we do have sales in other regions than the Nordics, is that in other regions outside of the Nordics, the vacation period looks a bit different. Especially now with our expansion in North America, we do believe that we will see more equal quarter-by-quarter sales numbers.

It would not have that big of an effect that it perhaps has today. When you win or lose a competitive deal, who do you usually lose to and who do you win against and why? This differs a lot between the different markets. Sweden, Norway, Finland, and outside of, I mean, Europe, I mean, it is a different playground in every market. And even within every market, there are different cohorts or segments. This is a quite fragmented question. I would say that this is not the big problem at the moment. We have quite good hit rates when we sit around the table. We have a strong product, and we win much more than we lose when we are around the table.

The problem at the moment, or not only moment, has been for maybe the last few years, not only for Oneflow, but for every SaaS company and even every software company is top of funnel. Top of funnel. It is so much noise in the markets. It is hard to get attention to get to the table. Once we are at the table, we are doing very good. The next question is regarding our churn. How serious do you consider your churn situation, and what specific measures have you taken to improve it? Will you go or? I mean, we always take churn very serious. Of course, it really hits us in the heart when we receive a churn or downgrade. Again, what Anders mentioned just now, I mean, the market segment or the market environment is tough. However, we take every churn or downgrade very, very serious.

We have a really strong CSM team that works really close with our customers, making sure they utilize the product the best way possible and also try to understand if we get a churn, the reasoning behind it. Yeah, I can maybe refine it a little bit. I mean, we do have, you have churn within your ICP, and you have churn without your ICP. ICP is ideal customer profile. We have had a lot of the churn that we've had over the last, I mean, the increase started September last year, and a lot of the increase in churn has been from customers that are not in our ICP. We treat our customers, of course, in a different way based on deal size, based on expansion potential, based on ICP fit or not. We are on top of our data.

We know the quality of our customers in every cohort, sliced in so many ways. We have put in the right kind of efforts and so on. I do not think we can be more, or we can, but we will be more detailed on exactly what we are doing. We know what we should do, and we do a lot. This is an interesting question. I would want to ask that to you, Anders. How would you describe Oneflow as a company in 10 years from now? Okay. We are a contract lifecycle management company. That is our space. In 10 years from now, our goal, I mean, our goal is not to grow 20% per year and become just another company. I mean, we have a much bolder vision internally. We want to be one of the big players in the field.

We want to be a thought leader. We want to define and shape the field and be there on the kind of one of the stars on the sky in the night. That is definitely. We have a really ambitious goal internally. I know that we have a lot to prove to get there, but we do have a lot of plans. We do have a lot of plans. We are going to make some changes. I mean, if you look at our product roadmap and so on, that is not a linear curve. We have a lot of things that are planned to come over the next years, which is going to open up new pockets of opportunities. I would not put any number on this question, but we are not in this to just grow 20%. That is too boring. We do not like boring. No.

The next question is, how would you comment on your cash position and financial strength in relation to progress towards profitability? I mean, the cash position, of course, is something that we monitor on a daily basis, of course. We do believe that we're going to reach profitability with current funding. We are strong believers of that. Again, we always review the way of working, do more with less, which is our mantra, and continue to grow in ARR. I mean, we do have an ARR that is, as we published now in October, SEK 179.9 million. That is recurring revenue, recurring cash flow for Oneflow. We do monitor that, and we do still very much believe that we're going to reach profitability with our current funding. How have the recent organizational changes affected employee engagement, morale, and your team's ability to move the company forward?

Obviously, when you, I mean, in Q2 last year or this year, we laid off some people, and that, of course, has an impact on the happiness inside an organization. It always does. I would say that now we are out of that tunnel. That is kind of history now, and it has been this fall. Happiness and culture and so on have kind of strengthened back to where we were before these events. That is not kind of an issue, I would say. When it comes to the ability to move the company forward, I would say that it is not always about, I mean, about headcount to achieve more. Remember, excellence is to achieve more with less. We do not see that the efficiency, the output, what we do in the product and so on has slowed down due to this, actually.

I do not want to comment a bit more detailed than that, but there is not a linear and very exact correlation between headcount and output. Sorry, yeah, between headcount and exactly output, yeah. Would you say that the FTE base end of quarter of 144 is expected to remain and be rather stable going forward? Should I? Yeah. I mean, we have done this redundancy or reorganization for a reason, and we do believe that we are going to be quite stable around 144. Of course, we always review what talent is needed in the organization. If a specific talent is needed, our recruitment will be done. I would not think, I mean, we will not expand, I mean, do heavy recruitments going forward, but recruitments, if there are necessary recruitments, those will be done. That is all part of the plan to reach growth and to move the organization towards profitability. Okay.

I think that was the last question. We did not jump anyone here in the list here. No. I think we answered everyone. Okay then. Thank you for today and have a wonderful Friday. Thank you for joining. Thank you. Bye-bye.

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