Earnings call transcript: Plains All American Q2 2025 highlights strategic shifts

Plains All American Pipeline (PAA), currently valued at $12.67 billion by market capitalization, recently held its Q2 2025 earnings call, revealing a steady financial performance with a reported adjusted EBITDA of $672 million. The company is focusing on strategic shifts, including the sale of its NGL business and increased capital expenditure for growth projects, while maintaining a constructive outlook on the oil market. According to InvestingPro analysis, PAA is currently undervalued, with analysts setting price targets ranging from $17.50 to $25.00. The stock trades at $18.04, showing an 11.19% gain year-to-date.

Key Takeaways

• Plains All American reported a Q2 adjusted EBITDA of $672 million.
• The company announced the sale of its NGL business for $3.75 billion.
• Growth capital guidance was increased to $475 million.
• The company expects to redeploy proceeds from the NGL sale into strategic opportunities.
• A constructive long-term view on oil markets was emphasized.

Company Performance

Plains All American Pipeline’s performance in Q2 2025 was marked by strategic initiatives aimed at strengthening its position as a pure-play crude oil midstream entity. The company reported a Q2 adjusted EBITDA of $672 million, with significant contributions from its crude oil segment. The sale of its NGL business for $3.75 billion is a notable move, expected to close in 2026, which aligns with the company’s focus on optimizing its portfolio and enhancing cash flow. The company maintains an attractive 8.51% dividend yield and a healthy 16% free cash flow yield, according to InvestingPro data, which rates PAA’s overall financial health as "GOOD" based on comprehensive analysis of multiple financial metrics.

Financial Highlights

• Q2 Adjusted EBITDA: $672 million
• Crude Oil Segment Adjusted EBITDA: $580 million
• NGL Segment Adjusted EBITDA: $87 million
• Full Year 2025 EBITDA Guidance: $2.8 billion to $2.95 billion
• Expected Adjusted Free Cash Flow for 2025: $870 million

Outlook & Guidance

Plains All American provided guidance indicating a full-year 2025 EBITDA in the range of $2.8 billion to $2.95 billion, likely trending towards the lower half. The company expects to generate an adjusted free cash flow of $870 million for the year. With the sale of the NGL business, Plains All American plans to redeploy approximately $3 billion into bolt-on acquisitions, capital structure optimization, and opportunistic unit repurchases. The company’s last twelve months EBITDA stands at $2.87 billion, with total revenue reaching $50.09 billion. For deeper insights into PAA’s financial health and growth prospects, including exclusive ProTips and comprehensive analysis, check out the detailed Research Report available on InvestingPro.

Executive Commentary

CEO Willie Chang emphasized the company’s commitment to creating value for unit holders, stating, "Our objective is to create value for the unit holders however we possibly can." CFO Al Swanson added, "We fully expect to redeploy them in a way that’s accretive to DCF," highlighting the strategic use of proceeds from the NGL sale.

Risks and Challenges

• Market volatility: Fluctuations in oil prices could impact revenue and profitability.
• Regulatory changes: Potential changes in environmental regulations could affect operations.
• Competition: Intense competition in the midstream sector could pressure margins.
• Project execution: Delays or cost overruns in capital projects could affect financial performance.
• Global economic conditions: Economic slowdowns could impact demand for oil and related services.

Plains All American’s Q2 2025 earnings call highlighted its strategic focus on becoming a leading crude oil midstream entity, with plans for significant capital redeployment and a positive view on long-term oil market dynamics.

Full transcript - Plains All American Pipeline LP (PAA) Q2 2025:

Conference Operator: Thank you for standing by and welcome to PAA and PAGP’s Second Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speaker presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press 11 on your telephone. To remove yourself from the queue, you may press 11 again.

I would now like to hand the call over to Blake Fernandez, Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Blake Fernandez, Vice President, Investor Relations, Plains All American: Thank you, Latif. Good morning, and welcome to Plains All American’s second quarter twenty twenty five earnings call. Today’s slide presentation is posted on the Investor Relations website under the News and Events section at irb.plains.com. An audio replay will also be available following today’s call. Important disclosures regarding forward looking statements and non GAAP financial measures are provided on Slide two.

An overview of today’s call is provided on Slide three. The consolidated condensed consolidating balance sheet for PNGP and other reference materials are in the appendix. Today’s call will be hosted by Willie Chang, Chairman and CEO and President and Al Swanson, Executive Vice President and CFO, along with other members of our management team. With that, I will turn

Willie Chang, Chairman, President and CEO, Plains All American: the call over to Willie. Thank you, Blake. Good morning, and thank you for joining us today. Earlier this morning, we reported solid second quarter adjusted EBITDA attributable to Plains of $672,000,000 which Al will cover in more detail. In June, we announced the execution of definitive agreements to sell substantially all of our NGL business to Keyera for approximately $3,750,000,000 with an expected close in the 2026.

Initial investor feedback has been positive and we view this as a win win transaction for both parties. Plains will exit the Canadian NGL market at an attractive valuation, while Keyera will receive highly complementary and critical infrastructure in a strategic market. From a Plains perspective and as highlighted on slide four, this transaction will result in a streamlined crude oil midstream entity with less commodity exposure, a more durable and steady cash flow stream and substantial financial flexibility to further execute on our capital allocation framework. With approximately $3,000,000,000 of net proceeds from the sale, we expect to continue focusing on disciplined bolt on M and A to extend and expand our crude oil focused portfolio as well as opportunities to optimize our capital structure, including potential repurchases of Series A and B preferred units along with opportunistic common unit repurchases. Building upon the foundation of our disciplined capital allocation framework, we announced a bolt on acquisition of an additional 20% interest in BridgeTex Pipeline Company LLC for an aggregate cash consideration of $100,000,000 net to Plains.

This brings our overall interest in the joint venture to 40%. Both Plains and ONEOK have extensive upstream gathering systems and both companies are committed to optimizing the operating capacity on the pipeline. In addition, this transaction is expected to provide risk adjusted returns in line with Plains’ bolt on framework. Year to date, we’ve completed five bolt on transactions totaling approximately $800,000,000 and we’ve consistently maintained the view that there is a runway of opportunities for Plains to advance its bolt on strategy. As illustrated on slide five and as proven over the last few years, we continue to execute on that backlog of opportunities.

Additionally, the financial flexibility that will be created by our recent NGL announcement further enhances our commitment and capacity to pursue these and other opportunities provided they offer the attractive returns. With that, I’ll turn the call over to Al.

Al Swanson, Executive Vice President and CFO, Plains All American: Thank you, Willie. Prior to discussing further details of our second quarter results, I would like to reiterate that following our NGL announcements, the majority of the NGL segment has been reclassified as discontinued operations. To ensure consistent financial disclosure to the market, we have also included pertinent information reconciling these changes with our original 2025 guidance for the NGL segment. Turning to the second quarter, we reported crude oil segment adjusted EBITDA of $580,000,000 which benefited sequentially from Permian volume growth, contributions from recent bolt on acquisitions and higher throughput associated with our refiner customers returning from downtime in the 2025. Moving to the NGL segment, we reported adjusted EBITDA of $87,000,000 which stepped down sequentially due to normal seasonality and lower quarter on quarter frac spreads.

Slide six and seven in today’s presentation contain adjusted EBITDA walks that provide additional details on our performance. Regarding guidance, our full year 2025 EBITDA range of $2,800,000,000 to $2,950,000,000 remains intact. Consistent with our communication last quarter, in the prevailing environment, both our EBITDA guidance and the Permian growth outlook of 200,000 to 300,000 barrels per day would likely be in the lower half of their respective ranges. A summary of our 2025 guidance metrics are located on Slide eight. As for capital allocation, which is illustrated on slide nine, for 2025, we expect to generate approximately $870,000,000 of adjusted free cash flow, excluding changes in assets and liabilities.

Our adjusted free cash flow guidance reflects the impact of bolt on acquisitions, including the acquisition of the interest in BridgeTex pipeline, as well as our revised 2025 growth capital guidance, which has increased $75,000,000 to $475,000,000 The capital investment increase is primarily associated with new projects, including Permian and South Texas lease connects and Permian terminal expansions, in addition to weather delays and scope changes on other projects. While 2025 growth capital is above our initial guidance, maintenance capital is trending closer to $230,000,000 which is $10,000,000 below our initial forecast. With that, I’ll turn the call back to Willie.

Willie Chang, Chairman, President and CEO, Plains All American: Thanks, Al. As illustrated on Slide 10, we’ve made significant progress on our strategy over the last several years. This begins with a portfolio of world class assets where value has been unlocked through the capabilities of our Plains team along with collaboration with our customers. Our strategy is grounded in our established financial priorities with a focus on generating substantial free cash flow, maintaining financial flexibility and increasing return of capital to our unitholders through disciplined execution in each of these areas. The divestiture of our NGL business marks a significant step in the strategic direction of Plains.

By reallocating resources and capital towards our legacy crude oil operations, where we have significant size and scale, we will be better positioned to enhance our focused portfolio. This move not only increases our financial flexibility, but it also underscores our resolve to streamline operations and drive growth while generating strong returns for our unitholders. Our strategy centers on the view that crude oil will remain essential to global energy and society for decades. Despite near term volatility, we’re confident in our ability to navigate current market dynamics and we expect fundamentals to improve longer term due to continued population and economic growth driving demand. We anticipate that new OPEC plus supply will be absorbed, reducing spare capacity, and limited long lead project and resource additions will increase the reliance on North American onshore production.

Plans will continue to be a vital infrastructure provider to meeting the growing need for reliable energy across global markets. In closing, our efficient growth strategy, financial flexibility and commitment to execution have positioned us well to capitalize on opportunities, manage challenges with resilience. I’m confident in our position and at this point, we’ll look forward to your questions. Blake, would you lead us into Q and A?

Blake Fernandez, Vice President, Investor Relations, Plains All American: Thanks, Willie. As we enter the Q and A session, please limit yourself to two questions. For those with additional questions, please feel free to return to the queue. This will allow us to address questions from as many participants as possible in our available time this morning. The IR team will also be available after the call to address any additional questions you may have.

Latif, would you please open the call for questions?

Conference Operator: Our first question comes from the line of Manav Gupta of UBS. Please go ahead,

Speaker 4: Hi. This is Sonia on for Manav. Good morning, and congrats on the quarter. When you think about assets in the Mid Con, there may be more onetime step ups in synergy versus the Permian that could have more organic growth on top of that. So when we look at more bolt on strategies and M and A, how do you factor in the sensitivity to basin level growth?

In general, with basins are you seeing more growth in over time?

Jeremy, Management Team Member, Plains All American: Sonia, good morning, this is Jeremy. Here’s what I would say is we take all that into consideration. And candidly, as we’ve said before, we’re a DCF shop and we’re looking for discounted cash flow over time and contributions. You have to look at the integrated network. So take the Mid Continent, for instance, which is your example, we have a lot of assets that touch a lot of other areas.

Things that could impact Cushing or other downstream pipelines may have multiple touch points. So while the Permian has different resource, look at them independently and use market fundamentals to drive an outlook of cash flows and we use a discounted cash flow and we have to beat our return thresholds, our cost of capital by 300 to 500 basis points, as we’ve said. So we take all that into consideration. We’re not necessarily going to say where our target areas right now. But we do look at everything and we’ve got to hit our return thresholds.

And we certainly take a look at fundamentals and the multiple touch points we can have in each area.

Speaker 4: Got it. Thank you. And then on the on the macro side more, could you provide some color on real time demand signals and any sign of slowdown or anything you’re seeing on the refining or on the export side?

Jeremy, Management Team Member, Plains All American: Yes, ma’am. This is Jeremy again. Here’s what I would say. I would follow the refiners. They’ve all talked about improving diesel demand and feel like it’s strong.

The last six months has felt a lot better than the prior six months from a demand perspective. We haven’t seen the slowdown in demand most were expecting. And we expect that to continue. Willie mentioned that in his notes. So I’d say continue to follow the refiners and their demand.

We’re not seeing issues, any issues from the downstream refining signals, crack spreads internationally and domestically. Differentials do move and that’s some indication, but over the last six month period, we’ve seen strengthening demand and we look forward to that continuing.

Willie Chang, Chairman, President and CEO, Plains All American: Yes, Sonya, this is Willie. One comment I would add to that is that we’re all watching a lot of uncertainty, certainly over the last number of months and even years. Our view is continued short term volatility, longer term more constructive. And where I would tell you our view is, despite a lot of the uncertainties, I have more confidence in the world and its ability to continue to grow than I did probably over the past year. So our views are pretty constructive, but think there’s gonna be a lot of volatility short term.

Speaker 4: Great. Thank you.

Willie Chang, Chairman, President and CEO, Plains All American: Thank you.

Conference Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Gabriel Moreen of Mizuho. Please go ahead, Gabriel.

Chris Chandler, Management Team Member, Plains All American: Hey, good morning, everyone. Can I just ask on the BridgeTex deal and maybe just talk about how that pipe is situated currently contractually, maybe how it would fit with the rest of your business? The value also seems to be a little bit changed from what it may have transacted out in the past. So if you can speak to that as well.

Jeremy, Management Team Member, Plains All American: Hi, Gabe, this is Jeremy. We’re excited about the outcome, consolidating that interest with ONEOK. I think from a contracting perspective, it’s best to speak with them. But one thing is as part of this transaction, we work with ONEOK to optimize the cost structure going forward, as well as to consider commercial ways to fill the pipeline from a plant to unite planes and one of those gathering systems to help keep the pipeline full. So I think us working together will strengthen the positioning of the pipeline longer term.

Chris Chandler, Management Team Member, Plains All American: Thanks, Jeremy. And then maybe if I can ask in terms of some of the CapEx ins and outs on the growth CapEx raise here, for the lease connection, South Texas and the Permian, does that imply some degree of greater activity than you had been seeing? Or is it just some degree of noise in terms of just things going on during the course of the year?

Al Swanson, Executive Vice President and CFO, Plains All American: Hey, good morning, Gabe. It’s Chris Chandler. I’ll take this one. So yeah, we have increased our 2025 investment CapEx guide to $475,000,000 net to Plains. We’ve developed some new opportunities related to the Permian and Eagle Ford gathering, as you mentioned, in additional storage opportunities in the Permian.

Some of this is basin growth related, but some of it’s frankly capturing business that we did not have before. They’re good investments, they exceed our return thresholds, and they weren’t in our original guidance, hence being a new opportunity. So I hope that helps.

Chris Chandler, Management Team Member, Plains All American: Appreciate it. Thanks, Chris. Thank

Conference Operator: you. Our next question comes from the line of Michael Blum of Wells Fargo. Please go ahead, Michael.

Speaker 7: Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Willie, I want to ask kind of a big picture question. Addressed some of this at the end of your remarks, but you’ve made a big step here. You’ve exited the NGL business in Canada.

You’re now more or less solely focused on crude. So my question is, is the plan to simply execute the growth and capital return strategy as is, as you’ve been doing? Or could you see the company pivoting or diversifying into another area, whether that be expanding the crude footprint more expansively or getting into a whole different line of business? Just want to get your sort

Blake Fernandez, Vice President, Investor Relations, Plains All American: of high level thoughts there.

Willie Chang, Chairman, President and CEO, Plains All American: Sure, Michael. Going to a pure play was not the objective, right? Our objective is to create value for the unit holders however we possibly can. And so for us, I’ve articulated this efficient growth strategy and we’ve been executing on being able to unlock that. Now practically speaking, our business was roughly 80%, 85% crude, 15%, 20% NGL.

By being able to do this, the transaction, it really catalyzes a lot of opportunities for us within Plains, which is why I spent a little more time in my prepared comments talking about that. One, we’re going to be able to redeploy approximately $3,000,000,000. Can’t say exactly how it’s going to be redeployed, but there’s a number of opportunities that we’ve articulated on the bolt on acquisitions, capital structure, opportunistic unit buybacks. And if you think about the cash flow that we’ve sold at a great valuation, we think we can do better redeploying it in the liquids business. So when you think about how do you create value, it’s all around synergies.

And it’s difficult to capture synergies if you don’t have a strong position somewhere. So this is kind of a long winded answer of saying, we’re going to stick to what we know. We’ve got size and scale, really a premier competitor in the industry providing a lot of services for our customers. And we’re going to parlay on that and try to build even a stronger system, kind of anchored on the platform of our constructive view of oil markets going forward. So if there are other opportunities that we can, whether it’s in different basins or other commodities, we absolutely look at all those.

We’ve got a very robust BD team. But practically speaking, I think you’re going to see more of it around the crude assets. And we’ve got, we feel we have a good runway of opportunities to look at. So hopefully that’s helpful.

Speaker 7: It is. So thank you for that. And then second I wanted to ask, I might be nitpicking here, so apologies upfront. But on slide nine, the language on distribution growth changed a little bit. It used to say targeting multi year sustainable distribution growth, and this latest slide deck says targeting sustainable distribution growth.

So just wanted to see if there’s a shift in messaging there that we should be aware of. Thanks.

Al Swanson, Executive Vice President and CFO, Plains All American: Hey, Michael, this is Al. No intended shift in messaging at all. We intend to grow our distribution over a multi year period. So no intent there. Clearly in the very interim time, as Willie mentioned, we need to redeploy these proceeds.

We fully expect to redeploy them in a way that’s accretive to DCF, which would further enhance our ability to grow the dividend.

Speaker 8: Thank you.

Willie Chang, Chairman, President and CEO, Plains All American: Thanks, Michael.

Conference Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Spiro Dounis of Citi. Please go ahead,

Speaker 9: Thanks, operator. Good morning, gentlemen. I want to first ask about the ’25. The guidance seems to suggest maybe a similar second half to the first half, if not maybe even a little bit lower. And so I’m curious, is that consistent with how you’re doing in the back half of the year?

And I guess why would that be the case? It seems like volumes are trending up kind of nicely this quarter. Willie, I know you mentioned some volatility out there, so maybe it’s just that, but you’ve also got the contribution from some bolt ons. So just looking to get some color there in the back half.

Jeremy, Management Team Member, Plains All American: Morning Spiro, it’s Jeremy. Just remember, we have the contract roll offs of Cactus II, Cactus I and Sunrise in the second half of the year, all consistent with guidance. So those roll offs of the contract rates, all those volumes have been re contracted as a function of rates being lower. So you had those contributions in the first half, you’re going to have the growing production, the FERC escalator and other pieces contributing to backfill that. So while it may look flat, you backfilled some of the roll off of the contracts with growth.

Speaker 9: Got it. It’s helpful, Jeremy. Thank you. Second question, just maybe going to the bolt on strategy again. I guess, should we think about your ability to keep doing these bolt ons for the rest of the year pending that NGL sale?

I don’t imagine you want to pre spend that $3,000,000,000 But as you do think about getting those proceeds, you could obviously do a lot more than a bolt on with that $3,000,000,000 So I guess I’m just curious how you’re weighing the ability or maybe the potential to do something larger?

Willie Chang, Chairman, President and CEO, Plains All American: Well Spero, it’s very difficult to time all these things as you well know, which is why I mentioned our robust BD team looking at a lot of things. What I would tell you is that’s the other reason of our financial flexibility creating a lot of capacity on our balance sheet to be able to absorb some of that. So, where I think we’re positioned, where we are positioned at is, we look at a lot of opportunities and as they come up, we’re trying to put ourselves in the best position to be able to execute on them, whether they’re small, medium or even large. So I’ll leave it at that.

Speaker 9: Helpful as always. Thank you gentlemen. Have a good weekend. Thank you.

Conference Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Sunil Sibal of Seaport Global. Please go ahead,

Blake Fernandez, Vice President, Investor Relations, Plains All American: Yes. Hi. Good morning. And

Speaker 8: most of my bigger questions have been hit, but I just wanted to clarify a couple of things. On the bridge tax, so you’re buying that as part of the ORIX JV? Correct?

Jeremy, Management Team Member, Plains All American: Sunil, this is Jeremy. No. That’s independent. That is the Plains purchasing that we’re an existing owner in the JV and for one open Plains are buying in proportionate to their interest in the pipelines.

Speaker 8: Okay, understood. Then in terms of the overall positioning, it seems like you’re still retaining some U. S. NGL business, if that’s correct. Is there a bigger strategy there?

Or how should we think about that piece of the business going forward?

Jeremy, Management Team Member, Plains All American: Sunil, that’s very minor and relative to the entire asset base. Those were smaller contributors. And from a tax perspective and operations perspective, it made sense for us to retain and we’ll look to monetize those at a later date. But I would say that’s not part of the larger strategy. See us more likely to divest those and retain them.

Speaker 8: Got it. Thank you.

Willie Chang, Chairman, President and CEO, Plains All American: Thanks, Sunil.

Conference Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of John Mackay of Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead, John.

Blake Fernandez, Vice President, Investor Relations, Plains All American0: Hey guys, thank you for the time. Maybe just wanted to touch on the CapEx piece again this year. I mean how much of that increase do you think is maybe actually a pickup in producer activity overall relative to what you’re expecting? Or maybe that’s more of just a you guys had some commercial success, but it’s not necessarily pointing to kind of a broader macro theme? And then maybe just taking that looking forward, why shouldn’t we think of the kind of run rate CapEx number moving up a little bit if you guys were able to get these wins?

Thanks.

Al Swanson, Executive Vice President and CFO, Plains All American: John, it’s Chris Chandler. I’ll take that. It’s really a combination of all the above the factors that you mentioned. There are certainly new opportunities that we didn’t anticipate coming into the year and those played a role. I’d also point out our continued bolt on acquisition strategy brings new opportunities for synergy capture and expansion around those assets where we didn’t have operations before.

So it’s really kind of an all of the above. When you think into 2026 on investment capital spend, we’re obviously not giving guidance at this point in time, we’ll do that in early twenty twenty six. You can look at how much we’re spending on NGL this year, which is above average compared to prior years. So, we would expect that to step down when the NGL sale to Keyera closes. But we continue to be successful identifying new opportunities.

So, you know, respect of identifying and capturing those projects that meet our investment thresholds, you know, we’d love grow CapEx modestly because of the good opportunities that we’re able to capture.

Blake Fernandez, Vice President, Investor Relations, Plains All American: Hey, John, it’s Blake. If you don’t mind real quick, would add just as a reminder, the 25 CapEx program includes about 30,000,000 or $40,000,000 of deferrals from last year. So that might help you think about the progression into 26,000,000

Blake Fernandez, Vice President, Investor Relations, Plains All American0: That makes sense. That’s helpful. And then maybe just going back to your comments on the retained NGL assets, I think your answer before made sense. I understand they’re small. But are guys able just to quantify for us again what that looks like right now?

And then maybe is that is any of that reflecting kind of a 25 spread environment? Or is that a pretty good whatever you share, is that a pretty good number going forward for now at least?

Jeremy, Management Team Member, Plains All American: I’d put that in the 10,000,000 to $15,000,000 of EBITDA category. And just from a valuation standpoint, think of the 100,000,000 to 200,000,000 range.

Blake Fernandez, Vice President, Investor Relations, Plains All American0: That’s helpful. I appreciate that. Thank you guys for the time.

Conference Operator: Thanks, John. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Brandon Bingham of Scotiabank. Please go ahead, Brandon.

Blake Fernandez, Vice President, Investor Relations, Plains All American1: Good morning. Thanks for taking the questions here. Just one quick one for me. I know it says in the slides that you still expect to come in towards the lower end of the EBITDA guide, but things have improved even just slightly versus all the 1Q chaos. So just kind of curious where you see that as we move forward throughout the year and whether or not there’s a higher likelihood now that we could be back towards the midpoint?

Al Swanson, Executive Vice President and CFO, Plains All American: This is Al. I’ll take a shot at it. I think the wording should have been lower half. So we weren’t trying to point at the low end by any means if that’s what the question was. And we believe the lower half would be how we’re trying to guide it.

We’re not trying to guide you to the midpoint or the bottom end, but just the lower half. Clearly, there’s a period of time here, prices have been fairly volatile. I think crude oil today is roughly where we articulated the range to be a quarter ago in the 60 to 65 range. I think we’re kind of at the high end of that now. So more time to come with regard to that.

But we would kind of point you to the lower half, not the lower end.

Blake Fernandez, Vice President, Investor Relations, Plains All American1: Okay, apologies. I might have misread, but thank you.

Conference Operator: Thank you. I would now like to turn the conference back to management for closing remarks.

Willie Chang, Chairman, President and CEO, Plains All American: Latif, thanks, and thanks to everyone for joining us today. We’ll look forward to giving you more updates, we’ll see you on the road. Have a great day and a great weekend.

Conference Operator: This concludes today’s conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

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