Earnings call transcript: Brookdale Senior Living Q2 2025 misses EPS, stock falls

Brookdale Senior Living reported its Q2 2025 earnings with a notable miss on earnings per share (EPS), which came in at -$0.18 compared to the forecasted -$0.14. This 28.57% miss weighed heavily on investor sentiment, leading to a 7.5% drop in the stock price, which is now trading at $7.45. According to InvestingPro, the company’s overall financial health score is rated as FAIR, with a market capitalization of $1.69 billion. The stock appears overvalued based on InvestingPro’s Fair Value analysis.

Key Takeaways

• Brookdale Senior Living’s EPS missed expectations by 28.57%.
• Revenue slightly below forecast at $812.94 million.
• Stock price fell by 7.5% post-earnings announcement.
• Positive growth in RevPAR and EBITDA highlights operational improvements.
• Liquidity improved with total cash reserves at $350 million.

Company Performance

Brookdale Senior Living demonstrated a mixed performance in Q2 2025. While the company achieved a 5.1% year-over-year growth in Revenue Per Available Room (RevPAR) and a 20% increase in adjusted EBITDA to $117 million, the EPS miss overshadowed these gains. The company’s operational strategies, including the rollout of Brookdale Health Plus, have shown promise with improved resident outcomes and a 200 basis point increase in occupancy rates to 80.1%.

Financial Highlights

• Revenue: $812.94 million, slightly below the forecast of $817.39 million.
• Earnings per share: -$0.18, missing the forecast of -$0.14.
• Adjusted EBITDA: $117 million, a 20% increase year-over-year.
• Free cash flow turned positive at $20 million, compared to -$6 million in Q2 2024.

Earnings vs. Forecast

Brookdale Senior Living’s actual EPS of -$0.18 fell short of the forecasted -$0.14 by 28.57%. Revenue also came in slightly below expectations at $812.94 million, compared to the anticipated $817.39 million. The earnings miss highlights potential challenges in cost management or revenue generation.

Market Reaction

Following the earnings announcement, Brookdale’s stock fell by 7.5%, reflecting investor disappointment with the EPS miss. Despite recent volatility, InvestingPro data shows the stock has demonstrated strong momentum with a 71.43% return over the past six months and a 55.07% year-to-date gain. The stock is currently trading at $7.45, with a 52-week range of $4.45 to $8.01.

Outlook & Guidance

Brookdale has raised its 2025 RevPAR growth guidance to 5.25-6% and adjusted EBITDA guidance to $445-$455 million. The company plans to exit 55 leased assets by year-end and expects continued growth in occupancy and RevPAR.

Executive Commentary

Interim CEO Denise Warren expressed optimism about the company’s growth trajectory, stating, "We are energized by our strong momentum and the promising opportunities for growth that lie ahead." CFO Dawn Cuso highlighted the company’s strategic focus, noting, "We are operating with purpose and are confident in our ability to build sustainable long-term value for our shareholders."

Risks and Challenges

• The significant EPS miss raises concerns about cost management.
• Market conditions and investor sentiment remain cautious.
• Potential challenges in maintaining growth amid competitive pressures.
• Execution risks associated with exiting 55 leased assets.
• Macroeconomic factors could impact future performance.

Q&A

During the earnings call, analysts inquired about Brookdale’s targeted marketing and occupancy strategies, approach to pricing, and plans for portfolio optimization. The management detailed their cost management and investment strategies, highlighting their focus on sustainable growth.

Full transcript - Brookdale Senior Living (BKD) Q2 2025:

Unidentified Operator/Moderator: Thank you, and good morning. I’d like to welcome you to the second quarter earnings call for Brookdale Senior Living. Joining us today are Denise Warren, interim CEO and chairman of the board Don Kuso, executive vice president and chief financial officer and Chad White, EVP, general counsel and secretary. All statements today, which are not historical facts, may be deemed to be forward looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws. These statements are made as of today’s date, and Brookdale expressly disclaims any obligation to update these statements in the future.

Actual results and performance may differ materially from the forward looking statements. Certain other factors that could cause the actual results to differ are detailed in the earnings release Brookdale issued yesterday as well as in the reports Brookdale files with the SEC from time to time, including the risk factors contained in its annual report on Form 10 k and quarterly reports on Form 10 Q. I direct you to the release for the full safe harbor statement. Also, please note that during this call, Brookdale will present non GAAP financial measures. For reconciliations of each non GAAP measure from the most comparable GAAP measure, I direct you to the release and supplemental information, which may be found at brookdaleinvestors.com and was furnished on an eight k yesterday.

Now I will now turn the call over to Denise. Good morning, and welcome to Brookdale’s second quarter twenty twenty five earnings call. It’s a pleasure to be here today as interim CEO. I’m joined by two integral members of the office of the CEO, Dawn Cuso, our Chief Financial Officer and Chad White, our General Counsel. This morning, I’ll provide a high level review of our second quarter results, followed by an update on the strategic priorities we outlined during the Q1 earnings call.

I also will provide updates on a couple other items of interest. After my remarks, Dawn will present a detailed overview of our second quarter financials, including guidance ranges and our outlook for the remainder of the year. Chad will join us for the Q and A session. Now for second quarter highlights. Brookdale delivered solid second quarter performance.

Despite the backdrop surrounding our annual shareholder meeting, the team remained focused and made progress on improving our operations and financial results. We also continued our ongoing portfolio optimization plan. Same community weighted average occupancy for the second quarter came in at 80.7%, growing 190 basis points over the prior year quarter. June month end same community occupancy came in at 82.8%, which was 240 basis points higher than month end occupancy in June 2024. July month end occupancy came in at approximately 83.3%, which was 260 basis points higher than month end occupancy in July ’24.

Recall, roughly the 80% occupancy mark is a critical inflection point for cash flow generation at Brookdale. While delivering occupancy growth, we also held a rate as Rev Poor on a same community basis, grew 2.4% year over year. Now that our consolidated portfolio has weighted average occupancy greater than 80%, our focus will be on ensuring rate growth outpaces expense growth while not sacrificing occupancy. We are pleased to report that adjusted EBITDA for the company grew 19.7% quarter over quarter and is up 23.4% for the first half of the year. Most importantly, we continue to generate positive adjusted free cash flow for the second quarter in a row.

Adjusted free cash flow came in at $20,000,000 for the quarter versus a negative $6,000,000 for twenty twenty four second quarter. For the first six months of the year, our adjusted free cash flow is $24,000,000 versus a negative $32,000,000 for the same period last year. Note, our leased portfolio also generated positive adjusted free cash flow for both the 2025. Moving on to updates on our strategy. As outlined last quarter, we believe our five part strategy remains central to unlocking Brookdale’s intrinsic value.

To review each, one, improving operating performance. Operational excellence is critical to the success of Brookdale. Higher occupancy, improved rates, and robust cash flow will generate the capital necessary for reducing leverage and reinvesting in our business. We are working to accelerate profitable occupancy through revenue yield management, disciplined and appropriate expense oversight, strengthened operational accountability, and targeted strategic investment. Last quarter, we outlined a plan to pilot new incentives and pricing promotions to boost occupancy in selected communities.

Many translated this statement into Brookdale as, quote, slashing rate, end quote. So I’ll try to be more clear this quarter. Brookdale is not slashing rate. We remain focused on profitable occupancy and maximizing fixed cost leverage to grow EBITDA and free cash flow. Maximizing fixed cost leverage means we must maintain an occupancy rate greater than 80% while continuing to ensure rate growth that exceeds expense growth.

We saw the results of this effort during the quarter where both occupancy and rate grew over the prior year period. A further indicator of improved performance for the quarter can be seen in our occupancy bands. To elaborate, in q one, there were 143 communities in our less than 70% occupancy band. That number improved by 10% or 14 communities to 129 during the second quarter. 50 of these are slated for disposition through either lease terminations or asset sales, and 38 are working with our swap teams.

Of the remaining 41, 19 require only one, two, or three move ins to advance to the next category. Looking at the other end of the spectrum, those communities with greater than 95% occupancy grew from 73 in the first quarter to 88 in the second quarter, an increase of 15 communities or 21% improvement. Two SWAT teams are now in place covering 137 communities. Team one is focused on underperforming high opportunity locations requiring immediate attention. These properties have seen a 350 basis point occupancy increase and 7% RevPAR growth since q four when the team began its work.

Team two is mainly dedicated to communities that collateralize our upcoming debt refinancings. In this group, we are working to enhance performance to maximize collateral value. These properties saw sequential occupancy growth of 200 basis points and enjoyed 150 basis points of sequential RevPAR growth since the team began its work in May. We are making progress on structuring a permanent distressed asset team that will move across the portfolio, shoring up communities where performance is starting to wane. With a portfolio of just under 600 assets by the end of the year, there always will be some that need extra care and attention.

We expect to have this team up and running by the end of the quarter. We are continuing a rigorous cost review to align our expenses with the size of our portfolio. As part of this effort, G and A expenses were reduced by $850,000 in q two versus q one and are down 1,200,000.0 from 2Q twenty four. In each case, G and A expense excludes transaction, legal and organizational restructuring costs, which does include costs incurred around our annual shareholder meeting and severance. We are aware further progress needs to be made on our cost structure, and we will continue to focus our efforts on this area during the third quarter.

Number two, optimizing our real estate portfolio. We continue to streamline our portfolio to focus on communities with the strongest long term value creation potential. As of June 30, Brookdale’s consolidated portfolio was at 617 communities, 235 leased and 382 owned. As announced previously, we plan to exit 55 leased assets by year end. We received the transition schedule for these locations in early July.

And based upon our review, it appears the communities with the most challenged performance will be transitioning later in the year. This compares to our original assumption for guidance modeling purposes that all communities would transition on October 1. As such, we expect to have additional negative pressure on our consolidated financials during the transition time. Dawn has incorporated this new time line in the updated guidance that she will speak to in a few minutes. During q two, we closed on the sale of one owned community and the transition of one leased property.

Of the remaining 13 previously announced dispositions, all but one are under contract. Also, we’ve recently identified another 28 assets that will be leaving the portfolio and expect those to transition over the next twelve to eighteen months. As with the original 14 community dispositions announced last quarter, we believe the exit of this additional group will result in improved occupancy, RevPAR, adjusted EBITDA, and adjusted free cash flow while generating cash proceeds that can be used for capital reinvestment and debt repayments. Note, of the 41 assets to be sold, 27 are in the under 70% occupancy band. Three, capital reinvestment.

Reinvestment in our communities is essential to maintaining market relevance and quality and to accelerating profitable growth. In q two, we invested 49,000,000 into capital projects and have over 500 capital related projects underway from aesthetic upgrades to larger renovations. Four, reducing leverage. Deleveraging enhances financial resilience and shareholder value. While it will not happen overnight, we are working to reduce leverage meaningfully through continued adjusted EBITDA and cash flow growth as well as portfolio optimization.

To that end, during the second quarter, we reduced our adjusted annualized leverage from 9.7 times to 9.3 times. Recall, approximately 88% of our debt is nonrecourse secured by property level mortgages. Upon asset sales, mortgage obligations are fully repaid, and excess proceeds may be deployed toward growth, reinvestment, or further debt reduction. As noted earlier, during the quarter, we sold one owned asset, have LOIs or purchase agreements on an additional 13 assets and have identified another 28 for disposition. As we have demonstrated, we are committed to taking appropriate actions to unlock the intrinsic value of our real estate to drive shareholder value creation, and we will continue to look for ways to optimize our portfolio and reduce our leverage profile.

Nearly all of our debt is refinanced through 2026, and the team has made excellent progress working with our lenders on the twenty twenty seven tranches. Number five, elevating quality for residents and associates. Almost 50,000 seniors call Brookdale home, and over 36,000 associates choose us as their employer. This quarter, two of our culinary experts were recognized with senior housing uses dished dining innovation awards. Bethany Johnson, a district director of operations in Florida, was selected by the Florida Senior Living Association as outstanding operator of the year for 2025.

Our very own CFO, Dawn Tusso, was inducted into the McKnight’s Women of Distinction Hall of Fame class for 2025, recognizing her outstanding talents and service to Brookdale. We are pleased the industry is recognizing the top talent that serves our residents every day. Moving on to shareholder engagement and the CEO search. We are grateful that each of our director nominees received the support of a majority of our shareholders at this year’s annual meeting, and we appreciate the constructive feedback we received throughout the process. This feedback is instrumental in how we will shape Brookdale’s path forward.

Management and the board considers the feedback received from all shareholders to be important, and we will use it to further strengthen our governance and our operations. And we will refine how we communicate Brookdale’s value proposition. As you review the information contained in our investor deck and supplement, we hope you will recognize many of your suggestions. Lastly, the CEO search committee has reviewed approximately 50 potential candidates casting a wide net across senior housing, health care, hospitality, and real estate. The committee and full board have interviewed a number of candidates.

And with the annual meeting now behind us, we aim to conclude the process in the coming months. Out of respect for all participants in the process, we will not take questions on the search during today’s call. To close, Brookdale’s strategy is taking hold and driving improved performance. We are energized by our strong momentum and the promising opportunities for growth that lie ahead. Thank you for your interest in and support of Brookdale.

With that, I’ll turn the call over to Dawn. Thank you, Denise. We were pleased with our continued operational progress, particularly with our occupancy growth during the quarter, which accelerated in May and June. Our operational improvements have been meaningful, and we are seeing the changes in our results. As a result of our progress, occupancy and adjusted EBITDA exceeded our expectations for the quarter, giving us confidence to raise our annual guidance ranges for the second quarter in a row.

We had several operational successes this quarter. Our second quarter consolidated average occupancy of 80.1 is the first time we have delivered quarterly weighted average occupancy above 80% on a consolidated basis since the 2020. The 80 basis point sequential occupancy growth was the strongest second quarter growth since 2022 and is evidenced that our operational SWAT teams and other initiatives to drive occupancy continue to be effective. As a result of these efforts, our sequential occupancy growth was better than the industry average as reported by Nick and better than the health care REIT’s consolidated SHOP portfolio results. Our same community portfolio, which excludes the Ventas transition assets, the 12 assets held for sale and three other communities, had quarterly occupancy of 80.7%, a sequential increase of 70 basis points.

We delivered $20,000,000 of adjusted free cash flow, which is our second consecutive quarter of positive adjusted free cash flow. We also showed continued improvement in our occupancy bands with 14 or 10% fewer communities included in the less than 70% band for the 2025 compared to the first quarter, while our over 95% occupancy band also grew by 15 communities or 21%. And we had continued adjusted annualized leverage improvement. As a result, we have improved our annual guidance for both year over year RevPAR growth and for adjusted EBITDA. We are pleased with our continued progress and are optimistic about the remainder of the year.

But before I speak to that, I’ll walk you through the details of our second quarter financials. I’ll begin with second quarter revenue. Consolidated RevPAR grew 5.1% above the prior year in the second quarter, driven by an ongoing acceleration in year over year weighted average occupancy growth of 200 basis points. Second quarter move ins were 7% above the prior year and 9% above historic average, while move out volume was also beneficial to the quarter. Our consolidated weighted average occupancy increased 200 basis points year over year to 80.1% in the second quarter.

Year over year, our monthly occupancy growth continued to accelerate during the second half of the quarter and continued through July with a 250 basis point increase compared to July 2024. We saw softness in our move ins early in the second quarter. Consequently, we implemented strategic and selective incentives in addition to the other initiatives we’ve discussed to help drive moving growth as we entered the important summer selling season. We expect these incentives to moderate as we move forward. June was a very strong moving month with June consolidated month end occupancy at 82.2%.

The full accretive impact of these positive occupancy results will be realized in the third quarter, while most of the cost of the strategic and selective incentives we had in place to help drive outsized occupancy performance in June is reflected in our second quarter results. Second quarter consolidated RevPAR grew 2.4% over the prior year quarter, reflecting both resident rate increases, the ongoing trend of lower resident acuity, and to a lesser extent, the impact of the strategic and selective initiatives. I’ll now pivot to same community results. There’s 70 communities included in our consolidated portfolio that are excluded from our same community portfolio. Of the seventy, fifty five are the Ventas leased communities that we will not operate by year end.

Second quarter same community RevPAR increased 4.8% over the prior year, driven by a 190 basis points of occupancy growth and a 2.4% increase in RevPAR. Our second quarter same community weighted average occupancy continued to accelerate with 70 basis points of sequential growth, which was significantly better than normal seasonality for this period. Moving to expenses. On a same community basis, expense per occupied unit or EXPOR increased 2.3% over the prior year second quarter compared to the 2.4% REVPOR growth, reflecting a positive RevPOR to export spread. Nevertheless, we recognize that there is more work to be done.

Second quarter same community operating income was 4.9% better than the prior year, while the operating income margin was flat. There is seasonality associated with operating income margin, particularly as you compare first quarter to second quarter when our labor expense base is impacted by the full impact of annual associate merit increases as well as an extra day of expenses. Remember that 2024 was a leap year with the same number of days in the 2024, And consequently, the 2024 did not see the same seasonal sequential operating income margin decline that we typically see from first quarter to second quarter. 2025 results reflected a more normalized year. Now moving beyond same community level results.

We continue to see improvement in our general and administrative expense as reflected in our adjusted EBITDA results. As a percent of revenue, general and administrative expense improved 40 basis points to the 2024, excluding noncash stock based compensation expense and transaction, legal and organizational restructuring costs. We remain prudently focused on an appropriate cost structure for the expected changes in our portfolio and are seeing the benefits of these efforts reflected in our second quarter results. Lastly, cash operating lease payments were $57,000,000 As reported in yesterday’s press release, second quarter adjusted EBITDA was a $117,000,000 or 20% above the prior year quarter. We’re very pleased to have delivered the significant growth in second quarter adjusted EBITDA, which was above internal expectations and analyst consensus estimates and believe it is a reflection of our improving operational performance.

To that end, second quarter adjusted free cash flow increased $25,000,000 over the prior year quarter to a positive $20,000,000. We still expect 30,000,000 to $50,000,000 of adjusted free cash flow for the full year 2025. Notably, both our owned and leased portfolios were adjusted free cash flow positive. As of June 30, total liquidity was $350,000,000, a $44,000,000 sequential increase. The primary drivers of our increase in liquidity were a positive adjusted free cash flow and a new letter of credit facility, which freed up capacity on our line of credit.

With our strong adjusted EBITDA results, we continue to make progress on our adjusted annualized leverage, improving almost half a turn sequentially to 9.3 times. With meaningful adjusted EBITDA growth and the cash flow generation power that comes from 80 plus percent occupancy, we expect annualized leverage to significantly decline over the coming years with additional deleveraging to result from the disposition transactions Denise previously mentioned. Lastly, before turning to our guidance, I want to comment on updates to our investor As we work with many of our shareholders recently, we have added Slide 16 to 18 to our presentation. The slides articulate Brookdale’s significant value proposition given the robust supply and demand tailwinds. With limited new supply and growing demand, we see significant long term organic growth potential, particularly as we move communities higher in the occupancy bands and drive higher RevPAR and operating income due to the significant operating leverage of our fixed cost structure.

Turning now to 2025 expectations. As reflected in yesterday’s press release, given our strong second quarter results, we have improved our annual guidance for both year over year RevPAR growth and for adjusted EBITDA. We now expect 2025 RevPAR growth in the range of 5.25 to 6% over the prior year. Teams throughout our organization are committed to the plans Denise spoke about to accelerate profitable occupancy growth, and we have reflected that commitment in our expectations. Also reflected in our RevPAR guidance range is the normal sequential step down in RevPAR dollars each quarter of the year as newer residents generally move in with lower acuity and therefore have a lower care rate than existing residents.

We remain optimistic that both weighted average occupancy and RevPAR growth compared to the respective prior year quarters will be even stronger in the 2025 than we just delivered in the second quarter. Our raised 2025 adjusted EBITDA guidance range of 445 to $455,000,000 incorporates these favorable top line expectations. Our initial guidance for 2025 assumed an 10/01/2025 transition date for all 55 Ventas nonrenewal communities to be transitioned or sold. Our revised guidance range give effect to updated expectations on the actual timing of the various transitions, which are now expected to have a negative adjusted EBITDA impact of approximately $2,000,000 as compared to our previous guidance. Without the impact of this change, our updated adjusted EBITDA guidance would have been higher by approximately $2,000,000 To the extent that the transition time line is not achieved as expected, it may further impact our consolidated results.

We remain diligent in our focus on profitable occupancy growth. And as a result, we expect continued leverage from our increasing occupancy given the high fixed cost nature When thinking about our annual guidance and specifically when modeling the second half of the year compared to the first half results, it is important to remember a few factors, many of which are shown on the last page of our investor presentation. As reflected in our revised guidance, one cannot simply double the first half performance to determine full year expectations. First, when considering the day count of the fiscal year, the second half of the year has three additional workdays and two incremental holidays compared with the first half of the year.

This is important because our revenue is largely based upon a monthly residency, whereas our expense structure is driven by daily expenses largely in labor, including premium pay for holidays, but also in other operating expenses. Second, the first half of the year includes one full quarter impact of community associate’s associates merit increase, while the second half of the year has two full quarters of that impact. Third, there’s variability in utilities expense between quarters with higher expense in the third quarter due to the hotter temperatures and declining expense in the fourth quarter with moderating temperatures. Fourth, as the official hurricane season begins in June and runs through November, we’ve assumed a moderate level of natural disaster expenses as we think about our full year guidance. Lastly, note that G and A rationalization savings pertaining to the Ventas transitions will be spread throughout the year with some savings already recognized in the 2025.

In contrast, the corresponding operating income step down from divesting Ventas communities will largely impact the fourth quarter. Specific to the third quarter, the impact from these seasonal factors, an extra day and holiday in the third quarter compared to the second quarter and seasonally high utilities is expected to be nearly $10,000,000 of an adjusted EBITDA headwind between the second and third quarters. In closing, we are pleased with our second quarter results and are confident in our strategic and operational plans to support another year of solid adjusted EBITDA growth. We are operating with purpose and are confident in our ability to build sustainable long term value for our shareholders. Operator, we will now open the call for questions.

Thank you. And we will now begin the question and answer session. If you have dialed in and would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad to raise your hand and join the queue. If you would like to withdraw your question, simply press star one again. If you are called upon to ask your question and are listening by a loud speaker on your device, please pick up your handset and ensure that your phone is not on mute when asking your question.

Again, please press the star one to join the queue. And your first question comes from the line of Brian Sankalot with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Denise Warren, Interim CEO, Brookdale Senior Living: Hey. Good morning. Maybe first question, Denise, as I think about, you know, the successes that you’ve shown in driving occupancy, you know, what have you been doing differently since maybe you’ve you’ve stepped into the role and just operationally operationally what kind of initiatives and the different strategies you’ve rolled out since?

Unidentified Operator/Moderator: Well, Brian, that’s a great question. Since I’ve gotten here, we have focused a lot on the SWAT team. We had one group that just started to work in the fourth quarter, and we doubled down and emphasized to that group on the actions that we needed to take to really drive profitable occupancy, not just occupancy. We also put in place a second SWAT team to focus on an additional set of assets that would be coming up for refinancing in the 2027 time frame. The goal with those is to maximize the collateral value prior to actually having to renew them.

The goal with that is not necessarily to, you know, to continue to borrow at that level, but to bring collateral assets out of the pool. We have also instilled a new a new focus on accountability. Some of the things that we have done there is we’ve put in a daily stand up meeting between the operations people and the salespeople and the marketing people. So we have a daily look at what each of those areas is doing to drive our profitable occupancy. If someone is falling behind, we can help them catch up.

We can also share ideas. We can take down barriers. The the SWAT teams are also focused on how did we remove barriers that have been put in place when you become a very large organization and complex organization such as Brookdale. So in those groups that need the most help, we can help them bypass to get folks hired more quickly. We can replace executive directors that need to be or positions that need to be filled.

We can help them with our CapEx spend. There’s just a lot of really granular things that we can do in all of those areas to really push the focus on driving in. I think a lot of it is really increasing the sense of urgency that that we need to take. And and then we’ve done a lot of work on the culture side of the organization as well. We have, you know, we have really put decision making into the hands of those that are touching our residents every day and those people that are in the field.

You know, those are the most important people to us because they see every day what is wrong, and they know how to fix it. And we need to allow them the operational responsibility to make those decisions with guidance from us in Brentwood. But from Brentwood, we can’t see what’s happening in those facilities, And so we need to travel. We need to be in them more frequently, and we need to be working with our executive directors and our field operators on how do we get the operational improvements that we need.

Denise Warren, Interim CEO, Brookdale Senior Living: No. That makes a lot of sense, Denise. And then maybe as I think about just the last part of your comment. Right? You’re kind of giving that level of independence to the community.

How should we be thinking about, you know, the philosophy between balancing rate and occupancy going forward? And then maybe to drill that down a little bit more, you know, what is that doing in terms of, like, the occupancy bands within the Brookdale portfolio, and how do you how do you expect that to trend going forward?

Unidentified Operator/Moderator: Sure. You know, as Dawn said earlier, the occupancy ban focus is really important to us. And we brought that up over the last couple of months surrounding our shareholder, our annual shareholder meeting and talking with a number of investors over that time period, our less than 70% occupancy bands, we have to get them up. And we have to get them up because we don’t start covering our fixed costs until we hit that 80% mark. And so we need to get those properties moving.

And I think you saw that from the change in those communities from a 143 in the first quarter to 129 in the second quarter. And then I believe we eliminated what we were doing within that 129 mix to further improve that occupancy going into the third quarter. You also saw that we have bifurcated the portfolio, and we’re focused on the communities that are greater than 80% occupancy. And you saw that the ones that are actually greater than 95 had a significant move in the occupancy bands there. Because when you look at what falls to the EBITDA more quickly, it’s the ones that have covered their fixed cost.

So we have to bifurcate the portfolio to get to under seventies up to 80 and to get to over eighties to really performing exceptionally well where we’re more focused on pricing in those avenues than we are in the under seventies while we’re getting them up. And I think Dawn has some additional comments around those occupancy bands too. I think I think what as we said in our prepared remarks, we had significant progress in those occupancy vans. And and we really are focused on maximizing our pricing, particularly in the in the higher level. But in the less than 70, that’s where maybe some of the targeted incentives, some of the spotlight units, as Denise said, just the the pure economics of getting those up to that 80% so they can start to cash flow and contribute.

If you look at the less than 70% band, I think we had some prepared remarks on just kinda what was in that band and the actions that we’ve taken. And when you really do the math, there’s very few communities less than that. The other thing that we’ll point out is if you look at, we added new slide 16 through 18 on our investor presentation, and that’s really trying to articulate really the value proposition as you peel one layer lower into the profitability of the units in the under 70 and the 70 to 80, and really where we have our future growth from the economics of growing that 70 to 80% band up above the 80% as Denise just talked about.

Denise Warren, Interim CEO, Brookdale Senior Living: Got it. Thank you.

Unidentified Operator/Moderator: And your next question comes from the line of Ben Hendrix with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Denise Warren, Interim CEO, Brookdale Senior Living: Hey, great. Thank you very much. I appreciate all the commentary about the profitable occupancy strategy hitting 80%, definitely translating to solid cash flow performance. But just wanted to drill in a little bit on the pricing component of that. You talked about this 10 basis point spread between the REVPOR and EXPOR and wanted to get some indication.

Is that kind of like how we should think about that 10 basis points spread, how we should think about pricing in the intermediate term? Or is there like a higher target spread there once we cure some of these lower occupancy bands? Just any thoughts on how we think about that normalizing out for longer term?

Unidentified Operator/Moderator: Ben, this is John. That’s a great question. I I would say just a couple a couple of things, and and Denise and I both talked about the the margin growth that we would be focused on as you think about continuing to grow our margin. We did deliver net operating income growth, but we certainly do expect to have margin expansion, particularly as we get into 2026. But what I would say about the RAV4 to X four difference of the 10 basis points is there is a level of noise in some of our expenses.

As you think about, you know, we’re self insured. Last year, we saw the the move in the move in from the third party noise. We had a little bit more visibility into that early in the year, which impacted some of our incentive plans. And so as you think about that margin spread, we certainly would expect that to get a little bit more of a growth between the the two. And so I think that as we as we go through the year and we grow our occupancy, we focus on some of our pricing and our targeted incentives, we would certainly expect that to get better.

Yeah. And and, Ben, this is Chad.

Dawn Cuso, Chief Financial Officer, Brookdale Senior Living: Good morning. The other thing I would say on this, I think it’s really important the with the supply demand fundamentals of the industry. Over the longer term, we see a real opportunity here to increase pricing over over the rate of expense inflation. And you’ll see in the new slide that Dawn mentioned that we added one of the new slides we added into the investor deck on slide 17 sort of shows what some of that impact is to to creating value for the company going forward. We see a lot of ability that over the longer term as we as we look at rate and pricing, if we can continue to deliver rate growth greater than our expense growth, there that really compounds over time and creates a lot of value.

Denise Warren, Interim CEO, Brookdale Senior Living: Great. Appreciate that commentary. Just also one follow-up on some of those marketing and targeted pricing efforts. You have made good progress with move in activity. I wondered if you could talk about progress you’ve made on controllable move outs and if any of these pricing targeted pricing actions have gone to control the move out activity.

Thanks.

Unidentified Operator/Moderator: Yeah. I would say that if you think about our our controllable move outs, that our our attrition rate in total, we’ve see being we’ve seen some favorability in our attrition rate. I think our controllable move outs have moved around a little bit quarter over quarter, but where we see progress is on our NPS score, the turnover in our communities, which we would fully expect to continue to where we continue to see improvements on our controllable move outs. Also, then we have asked our marketing department to put together a program to focus on retention of our residents because reducing those controllable move outs is very important to our occupancy number, and it is a lot less expensive to keep the residents that you have than to go out and get new ones. And so we are heavily going to focus on how do we retain not only our great employees, but also our residents in our facilities longer.

Denise Warren, Interim CEO, Brookdale Senior Living: Great. Thank you.

Unidentified Operator/Moderator: And your next question comes from the line of Andrew Mock with Barclays. Please go ahead.

Denise Warren, Interim CEO, Brookdale Senior Living: Hi. Good morning. Appreciate all the color on the sub 70% occupancy band. Are there any targets you can share for how many communities you think you can move out of that lower band over the next twelve months outside of the Ventas lease communities? And I think I heard in the prepared remarks that there was some softness in move ins early in the quarter.

Can you elaborate on what you’re seeing there and how that impacts the occupancy outlook for the balance of the year? Thanks.

Unidentified Operator/Moderator: Yes. Thank you. This is John. I think I think the the insight that we’ve given the under 70% occupancy band is Denise had shared that there’s between the disposition one, two, and the Ventas communities, that’s 50 communities. And so we would expect that the the Ventas and the disposition one kind of group, the 14 that we originally talked about last quarter, would be out by the end of the year.

The other dispositions, we said twelve to eighteen months. So call it, you know, eighteen months, the 15 communities or the excuse me, the 50 communities would be out. We fully expect our SWAT efforts to to take hold and to continue to move those assets out, and there was 38 of those in the in the band. Whether that’s by the end of the year or early into next year, certainly would expect those to kinda move up. And then with one, two, or three units, just I think that there’s a level of variability because it could be one, two, or three units up or one, two, or three units down, but where we are very focused is on making sure that we’re we’re we’re focused on the smaller communities, making sure that we are getting above that occupancy level.

So I think significant progress is made in the second quarter, and we would expect that to continue throughout the year, just both operationally and through the disposition efforts that we had.

Denise Warren, Interim CEO, Brookdale Senior Living: And can you comment on the softness that you quoted?

Unidentified Operator/Moderator: Oh, sorry. Appreciate that that reminder. The the softness in the market, if you remember as we came out in the April, in our first quarter earnings call, we were impacted with kind of macroeconomic uncertainty. If you remember, the tariffs were were in discussions. And I think as we saw some of that subside along with all of the operational focus that we’ve had, what we saw is our occupancy move ins towards the May, but more notably in the month of June where we saw our efforts from all of the the the move in activity.

You can see it in our results with having between May to June, a 50 basis point occupancy increase, and then June to July, a 60 basis point occupancy increase on a consolidated basis. I think one thing that I would say about the quarter is there is we do expect the acceleration of the occupancy. We’re just coming into our summer selling season. And with having a strong of a June as we had with as many move ins coming through, again, saw it in the July occupancy. You’re just not seeing the economics in the second quarter.

We fully expect to see that and capture that as well as the summer selling season coming through the third quarter.

Denise Warren, Interim CEO, Brookdale Senior Living: Great. And maybe just one more on cash flow. I think operating cash flow finished above $80,000,000 in the quarter and increased 50% year over year. Looks like there were some favorable working capital changes in addition to the better operating performance. Can you flesh out the drivers there?

And with the better cash flow profile, how are you thinking about the capital priorities from here, including growth and maintenance CapEx?

Unidentified Operator/Moderator: I’ll start with the adjusted free cash flow. And certainly, there is working capital variability. If you remember, we just finished our activist fight in the month of July. So there would be some accruals there with the change in leadership, accruals related to severance there. And we would expect, you know, not working capital to turn in the normal course.

There’s always a level of variability. But, really, the driver of the adjusted free cash flow change is in the operations the underlying operations of the business. As we continue to see the business improve and delivering 20% year over year adjusted EBITDA, we certainly expect our adjusted free cash flow to continue. Again, we haven’t changed our guidance. And as we start to cash flow and the strategic as we’re thinking about this, how we would use that cash, I think Denise had some of that in her prepared remarks with the dispositions.

We certainly are looking at our CapEx. We talked about $10,000,000 of additional CapEx on fresh impressions and kind of front of the house CapEx at the beginning of the year. We’ll continue to evaluate what that CapEx deployment will look like or if there would be other initiatives that we would want to to

Dawn Cuso, Chief Financial Officer, Brookdale Senior Living: invest in. We’ll certainly use some of the proceeds from the disposition transactions along with the growing and improving cash flow to reinvest back in the portfolio. And we’ve been seeing some really good results from our initial first impressions investments that we’re making as part of some of the four the the high opportunity SWAT team efforts. We’re seeing some really good impacts from that. We know that sort of you you got to through the SWAT team efforts, one of the first things you look at is is the the the the facility, the property, the condition itself.

Does it need some refreshments? Does it need some carpet, paint, furniture, etcetera? We’ve been making those investments on the sort of the front of the house to to improve the the look of the building. And I think that actually is helping in in in our results. So as we go forward, we certainly will continue to reinvest in a prudent manner, and I think that creates a lot of more upside opportunity.

Denise Warren, Interim CEO, Brookdale Senior Living: Great. Thank you.

Unidentified Operator/Moderator: Thank you. And your next question comes from the line of Joanna Hadjuk with Bank of America. Please go ahead. Hi. Good morning.

Thanks so much for taking the questions. Actually, question first, a follow-up on the free cash flow. So with EBITDA guidance higher, why is the adjusted free cash flow guidance not going up? Is it those items you had mentioned around the severance and toxified, or is there something else? That’s exactly right, Joanna, that there’s just a level of variability with the working capital.

Okay. Thanks for that. And then on the if I may, on the cost, right, so you talk about, you know, there’s some, I guess, call it cost burden in the quarter. Right? And you expect the kind of fruits of that burden to play out best for you.

So can you help us quantify some of these additional costs in the quarter with their marketing or other efforts, I guess, to understand, you know, the the cost structure going forward? Yeah. I think, Joanna, what we talked about for the for the current quarter is really the incentives that we had. We pivoted marketing costs. We may have had a a small amount of incremental marketing costs, but pivoted marketing costs that maybe were better suited for digital in certain markets or direct mail in certain markets.

But I certainly would say, you know, what I think there’s a timing difference from the normal incentives that you would see versus the timing of when we’re gonna get the economic impact of that occupancy. So the occupancy coming through in June later of the quarter, you will see that come the economics of those occupancy increases coming through, and we did see it in July. It’s just because it came later in the quarter and the spend was earlier, there’s just a a timing. Alright. So there was nothing else to call out when it comes to the cost?

Correct. Alright. Thank you. Bye. Thanks so much.

And your next question comes from the line of Josh Raskin with Nephron Research. Please go ahead.

Denise Warren, Interim CEO, Brookdale Senior Living: Hi. Thanks. Good morning. I was wondering if you could speak to your local market strategy and maybe how that’s evolved into the new leadership. I’m I’m specifically interested in how you differentiate Brookdale from peers at the local level, you know, beyond just sort of pricing.

And and maybe what resonates most with prospective residents and families in terms of additional services and things that you guys are providing?

Unidentified Operator/Moderator: Yeah. I’ll I’ll start, and then thank you, doctor. It’s a great question. I’ll start, and then if Chad or Denise want to chime in, I think that what how we’re differentiating ourselves really is the the quality of care that we provide. And so if you think about Denise just mentioned our EDs are really in the local markets, pushing the the decision making to the ED level, making sure that they are connected in the local markets and they are knowledgeable about, you know, what discounting or what strategy or we talked about CapEx or NPS scores increasing.

Just how we’re thinking about that locally, and it will differ market to market. I think what differentiates Brookdale is really, like I said, the quality of care that we provide to our residents. And so with the rollout of health plus in our communities, we by the end of the year, we expected to have it in just under 200 communities. And so I think that that is certainly something that we have absolutely seen as a differentiator, and we market that at the local level.

Dawn Cuso, Chief Financial Officer, Brookdale Senior Living: Yeah. It’s it’s absolutely a a key differentiator. I think it’s something that we will be continuing to focus on. Dawn mentioned that we’re rolling this out. We’ll have it in almost 200 of our communities by year end.

We are seeing that feedback. You know, Brookdale Health Plus is a unique innovative program. It’s our it’s our care coordination program that I think has been very well received in terms of it improves, you know, it improves resident outcomes. We we believe it will actually improve length of stay, and it’s also improving our financial results. And so we think it’s a key differentiator for Brookdale.

It’s something that we’re gonna continue to lean in on very heavily. It’s something that I think we’re already seeing anecdotally. The the comments we received from the field where where we have a health plus community, it is something that is differentiating us from a sales standpoint and able to lead the new move ins. And and, ultimately, it’s something good for for residents. I mean, our our our residents who who had in in Brookdale Health Plus communities get, you know, 80% fewer urgent care visits, 66% fewer hospitalizations.

Those are really key things that you can sell to residents and family members that, you know, if you come to a Brookdale community, you are going to be getting a better quality experience. You won’t be spending a lot of money going out to to ER visits and and hospitalizations because we’re driving improved results there. And so we we really are focused on our residents. We’re really focused on driving resident satisfaction. Dawn mentioned earlier, we’re seeing improvements in our Net Promoter Score ratings this year that have continued over the last couple of years.

We’re continuing to to focus on that. And so, ultimately, it’s it’s driving a great resident experience and making sure that we’re that we’re focused on them.

Denise Warren, Interim CEO, Brookdale Senior Living: That’s perfect. And maybe just I hate to keep going back to the discounting, but are there any metrics you can share? You know, maybe what percentage of move ins saw discounts, you know, versus last year? Maybe the average percentage discount, you know, versus last year? Just anything that can help us track this because, you know, I think there is some attention on that 10 basis point spread at this point.

Unidentified Operator/Moderator: Right. I think that we we certainly wouldn’t put anything out regarding this county because there’s always a kind of level of discounting that we have. You see that in our step down in our RAV four. Maybe looking at maybe looking at the the RAV four step down is something that I would I would point to. Again, we’ll focus on that.

If I look at the if I look at the s four RAV four year over year, you know, that’s what I would say is that there is some level of variability in the base year that’s causing that to be a little bit closer than we would like. Just, again, last year, we saw the move in disruption from the third party referrals. We had some visibility into our incentive plans. And so, again, there’s variability quarter by quarter, but we’re certainly very focused on making sure that we are appropriately discounting, which is why I think Denise is talking about Chad talked about the the the incentives that we’re running are more local. They’re more targeted at the occupancy bands as opposed to spread throughout.

We’re being very very conscious of of where that is being done and what we’re doing.

Dawn Cuso, Chief Financial Officer, Brookdale Senior Living: Okay. That sounds fine.

Unidentified Operator/Moderator: Thank you. And your next question comes from the line of Dow Chu with Macquarie Group. Please go ahead.

Denise Warren, Interim CEO, Brookdale Senior Living: Thank you. Good morning. Could you help us bridge the 5% RevPAR growth that you achieved in the first half of the year to your higher full year RevPAR guidance range, given the trade off in occupancy and rates we saw? And also, how much of the lift will be coming from organic performance and how much from asset and lease divestment? If you could also talk about kind of the EBITDA and free cash flow expectation for the dispositions.

I heard some, you know, headwind mentioned on the timing of the Ventas lease transition, but just wanted to size up the potential benefits in the second half. Thank you.

Unidentified Operator/Moderator: Yes. That was a great question. Think the the bridge on the on the RevPAR is certainly the the Ventas. We were very clear on that when the Ventas dispositions. The 55 communities were transitioning off that it would be a benefit to our metrics, our our occupancy, our RevPAR metrics.

And so I think that would be the bridge from a modeling perspective from first half into second half. We expect if you look at our historical trends, if you look at, you know, kind of second quarter to third quarter historical trends, I think the the step down between third quarter to fourth quarter, which I addressed excuse me, between second quarter to third quarter, which I addressed in my prepared remarks, that step down in ’24 would be generally indicative of what we would expect in 2025. And then I think the then past impact of the transition communities would generally be in the fourth quarter.

Denise Warren, Interim CEO, Brookdale Senior Living: Got it. And, Denise, I I heard that earlier comment about the work you’re doing on the collateralized assets for refinancing 2027. I think you said that the plan is to bring them out of the collateral pool. Just wondering if you could elaborate a little bit more on the plan there. And also curious, you know, the second SWAT team that you deploy there, are they doing any diff anything different versus team one?

Unidentified Operator/Moderator: Okay. Yes. As you know, about 88% of our debt is nonrecourse and is held as mortgages at the property level. And so we have a debt pool that is coming up in 2027. And how how you uphold the amount of your loan is through your collateral value.

So the higher your collateral value, the more at the more dollars you can receive from that loan. Our intention is not to receive more dollars from the loan, but to pull assets out of the collateral pool. So we will hold them as unencumbered assets that we can then use later on for additional growth or, you know, whatever we need to do as an unencumbered asset. So that’s how we’re focused on driving the performance of the collateral pool so that we can remove assets, how hold them as unencumbered to use later on. And the second SWAT team, you know, it’s really no different than the first SWAT team.

You’re still working on how do you improve the operational performance. It’s just a different set of assets, and each asset has its own needs. You know? And they and they very are very much our local needs. You know?

Some might need dining room chairs. Some might need painting wallpaper. Some might need a total redo. You know, it runs it runs the gamut, and it really is property by property by property.

Denise Warren, Interim CEO, Brookdale Senior Living: Great. Thank you.

Unidentified Operator/Moderator: Thank you. And ladies and gentlemen, that ends our question and answer session for today. Ladies and gentlemen, this now concludes today’s conference call. You may now disconnect.

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