Earnings call transcript: Marriott Q4 2024 earnings beat estimates

Marriott International (NASDAQ:MAR) reported its fourth-quarter 2024 earnings, surpassing analysts’ expectations with an EPS of $2.45 against a forecast of $2.37. Revenue also exceeded projections, reaching $6.43 billion compared to the anticipated $6.37 billion. Despite these positive results, shares of Marriott fell by 4.86% in pre-market trading, reflecting investor concerns about future growth prospects. According to InvestingPro data, the stock is currently trading above its Fair Value, with an impressive market capitalization of $80.65 billion. InvestingPro subscribers have access to 18 additional key insights about Marriott’s valuation and growth prospects.

Key Takeaways

• Marriott’s EPS and revenue both exceeded forecasts for Q4 2024.
• The stock price dropped 4.86% in pre-market trading despite strong earnings.
• The company highlighted a 7% increase in gross fee revenues and adjusted EBITDA.
• Marriott is expanding its luxury portfolio and digital transformation efforts.
• Future growth is projected with a net rooms increase of 4-5% in 2025.

Company Performance

Marriott International demonstrated robust financial performance in Q4 2024, with total gross fee revenues rising by 7% to $1.3 billion. Adjusted EBITDA also increased by 7%, reaching $1.29 billion. The company returned over $4.4 billion to shareholders through dividends and buybacks during the year, with dividend growth of 21.15% in the last twelve months. InvestingPro analysis shows an impressive gross profit margin of 81.95%, while the company maintains a GREAT financial health score of 3.18. Notably, hotel profit margins improved by 110 basis points in the quarter.

Financial Highlights

• Revenue: $6.43 billion, up from the forecasted $6.37 billion
• Earnings per share: $2.45, exceeding the forecast of $2.37
• Gross fee revenue: $1.3 billion, a 7% year-over-year increase
• Adjusted EBITDA: $1.29 billion, a 7% year-over-year increase

Earnings vs. Forecast

Marriott’s actual EPS of $2.45 surpassed the forecasted $2.37, marking a positive surprise of approximately 3.4%. Revenue also exceeded expectations by $60 million, highlighting the company’s strong operational performance and strategic initiatives.

Market Reaction

Despite the earnings beat, Marriott’s stock fell 4.86% in pre-market trading, closing at $304.45. This decline may reflect investor caution regarding future growth and market conditions, as the stock remains near its 52-week high of $307.52. InvestingPro technical analysis indicates the stock is in overbought territory, with a significant 40.39% price return over the past six months. For detailed technical analysis and comprehensive valuation metrics, investors can access the Pro Research Report, available exclusively to InvestingPro subscribers.

Outlook & Guidance

Marriott projects global RevPAR growth of 2-4% in 2025, with gross fees expected to increase by 4-6% to $5.4-5.5 billion. Adjusted EBITDA is anticipated to rise to $5.3-5.4 billion, while adjusted diluted EPS is forecasted between $9.82 and $10.19. The company plans to invest $1-1.1 billion in 2025 to support its growth initiatives.

Executive Commentary

CEO Tony Capuano expressed optimism, stating, "We are seeing some very small encouraging signs." CFO Lenny Oberg noted, "Business transient has recovered to 2019 levels just in a little bit different form." Capuano also emphasized the company’s confidence in the Greater China market, stating, "We continue to be really bullish on Greater China."

Risks and Challenges

• Economic uncertainties could impact travel demand and hotel occupancy rates.
• Competition in the luxury and upper upscale segments may pressure pricing.
• Ongoing geopolitical tensions could affect international operations.
• Fluctuations in foreign exchange rates may impact financial results.
• Supply chain disruptions could hinder hotel development and renovations.

Q&A

During the earnings call, analysts inquired about Marriott’s technology transformation and key money strategies for new hotel deals. The company provided insights into the recovery of business transient travel and addressed the potential for market recovery in China.

Full transcript - Marriott International Inc (MAR) Q4 2024:

Conference Operator: Good day, everyone, and welcome Please note today’s call will be recorded. We will be standing by if you should need any assistance. It is now my pleasure to turn today’s conference over to Jackie McConaughey, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations.

Jackie McConaughey, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations, Marriott: Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Marriott’s fourth quarter twenty twenty four earnings call. On the call with me today are Tony Capuano, our President and Chief Executive Officer Lenny Oberg, our Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President of Development and Pilar Fernandez, our new Senior Director of Investor Relations. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that many of our comments today are not historical facts and are considered forward looking statements under federal securities laws. These statements are subject to numerous risks and uncertainties as described in our SEC filings, which could cause future results to differ materially from those expressed in or implied by our comments.

Unless otherwise stated, our RevPAR occupancy, average daily rate and property level revenue comments reflect system wide constant currency results for comparable hotels and all changes refer to year over year changes for the comparable period. Statements in our comments and the press release we issued earlier today are effective only today and will not be updated as actual events unfold. You can find our earnings release and reconciliations of all non GAAP financial measures referred to in our remarks today on our Investor Relations website. And now I will turn the call over to Tony.

Tony Capuano, President and Chief Executive Officer, Marriott: Thanks, Jackie, and good morning, everyone. Marriott had excellent results in 2024, reflecting continued robust demand for customers, owners and franchisees for our more than 30 brands. For the full year, we achieved net rooms growth of 6.8% and global RevPAR rose over 4%. We ended the year on a high note with fourth quarter worldwide RevPAR increasing 5%. ADR rose 3% and occupancy increased over one percentage point.

All of our regions produced better RevPAR growth than we had previously expected with strength across all of our customer segments. The U. S. And Canada saw its best quarterly RevPAR growth for the year with fourth quarter RevPAR rising over 4%, primarily driven by a higher ADR. The drop in occupancy around November’s U.

S. Election was not as severe as we had anticipated, with demand rebounding quickly after the election. International RevPAR rose over 7% in the quarter, driven by 4% rise in ADR and a two percentage point gain in occupancy. APEC RevPAR increased 12.5% led by strong growth in Japan, India and Thailand and aided by strong cross border demand, especially from Greater China. RevPAR in the EMEA region rose 8% with broad based growth across the region led by strong leisure demand.

RevPAR in Greater China declined 2% better than prior expectations as the region benefited from the recent expanded visa free transit policy and better than anticipated demand across multiple holidays and citywide events. By region, RevPAR growth was positive in Tier one cities, Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan, while Hainan Island again saw the largest RevPAR decline. Hainan was again impacted by weak domestic leisure demand as wealthier travelers continued to vacation across other parts of the region. However, Hainan did see nice sequential improvement with RevPAR down 16% in the quarter compared to down 24% in Q3. Turning to trends by customer segment, leisure, which comprises the largest portion of global room nights at 44% had its strongest RevPAR growth quarter of the year and was the fastest growing of our customer segments.

Fourth quarter leisure RevPAR rose 6% globally and 4% in The U. S. And Canada, driven by gains in both room nights and ADR with strength across all tiers from luxury to select service. Business transient contributed 33% of global room nights in the fourth quarter. Solid gains in ADR drove business transient RevPAR up 3% globally and up 4% in The U.

S. And Canada. Group RevPAR, which comprised 23% of room nights rose 3% in the quarter. As expected, this was group’s lowest growth quarter of the year due to fewer group events in The U. S.

Around November’s election and a decline in group RevPAR in Greater China. Looking at full year 2024, all customer segments experienced solid RevPAR growth on a global basis. Group increased an impressive 8% and leisure and business transient rising 3% respectively. As Lidi will discuss during her remarks, we are pleased with the solid momentum we have in our business as we start off 2025. At the end of 2024, global group revenues were pacing up 6% for 2025 and ten percent for 2026 on increases in both room nights and average daily rate.

Shifting to development, 2024 was another terrific year. Net rooms grew 6.8%, helped by the addition of around 38,000 rooms from our agreement with MGM and approximately 9,000 rooms from SOVGR. Conversions were again a large driver of growth in 2024, contributing about a third of our signings and over half of our openings. Our industry leading global lodging portfolio now boasts over 1,700,000,000 rooms across 144 countries and territories. With a record of over 1,200 deals signed last year, we ended the year with over 577,000 rooms in our pipeline.

In The U. S. And Canada, our largest market, we led the industry in growth room additions with around one third of all rooms open during the year flying one of Marriott’s flags. While financing in The U. S.

Remains particularly challenging for new construction, we also had the leading share of new build construction starts in 2024 as banks have shown preference for deals associated with with our strong brands and an experienced player like Marriott. During the year, we also meaningfully expanded the breadth and depth of our portfolio across customer tiers from luxury to mid scale and across both traditional and alternative lodging product offerings. We continue to have strong owner interest in all of our mid scale brands given their compelling brand design, the power of our revenue engines and their simple bundled affiliation costs, which we believe are the lowest in the industry. At the end of the year, we had over 300 open and pipeline Four Points Flex (NASDAQ:FLEX), Studio Res and City Express by Marriott Properties just a year and a half after entering the mid scale tier. We also continue to expand our incredible luxury portfolio with the opening of several notable hotels, including the St.

Regis (NASDAQ:RGS) on the Bund in Shanghai and W’s in Prague and Sao Paulo. In the non traditional launching space, in December, we announced our plan to launch an outdoor focused collection, which will be anchored by founding deals with postcard cabins and Trailblower, two innovative outdoor hospitality brands. Ilman, the second luxury superyacht in the Ritz Carlton Yacht Collection had its maiden voyage in The Mediterranean Last September and our third superyacht, Luminara is expected to set sail this summer with itineraries in the Mediterranean, Asia, Alaska and Canada. Our focus on offering fantastic travel experiences for every trip purpose is key to ensuring that Marriott Bonvoy remains the industry’s leading travel platform. We added over 31,000,000 new members to our loyalty program last year, growing to nearly two twenty eight million members at year end.

Bonvoyant member penetration of room nights achieved historic highs in the fourth quarter at 73% in The U. S. And 66% globally. As we grow that member base and our global portfolio and add travel adjacent products and collaborations like our 33 co brand credit cards and tie ups with partners like Uber (NYSE:UBER) and Starbucks (NASDAQ:SBUX), we are deepening engagement with our members and capturing more of our customers’ share of wallet. Driven by a strong increase in global card spend, our co brand credit card fees rose nearly 10% last year.

Our digital channels and mobile in particular remain key drivers of direct bookings at a lower cost to our owners. In 2024, Marriott Bonvoy app downloads rose nearly 30% year over year. We’re excited about enhancing the customer experience across all our digital channels through the multi year digital transformation we have underway that we expect to begin rolling out a little later this year. Before I turn the call over to Lieny to discuss our financial results in more detail, I want to thank our teams around the world for their hard work and dedication

Lenny Oberg, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President of Development, Marriott: and for making Marriott a place where innovation and excellence thrive. Lieny? Thank you, Tony. I’ll start by reviewing our solid financial performance. Fourth quarter total gross fee revenues grew 7% to $1,300,000,000 primarily due to higher RevPAR, roof additions, 13% increase in credit card fees and a near doubling of residential branding fees.

Incentive management fees or IMS decreased year over year as strength in APAC was offset by declines in Greater China and in The U. S. And Canada. The decline in The U. S.

And Canada was primarily driven by lower fees in Maui given the timing of fee recognition in the prior year. G and A declined 12% year over year to $289,000,000 primarily due to lower administrative bad debt and litigation expenses. Fourth quarter adjusted EBITDA grew 7% to $1,290,000,000 dollars At the hotel level, profit margins at our worldwide managed hotels rose 110 basis points in the quarter and 40 basis points for the year helped by continued productivity improvement. We were also pleased that our guest surveys indicated that customer satisfaction continued to rise with our 2024 intent to recommend scores increasing in every one of our regions. For the full year, gross fees and adjusted EBITDA both increased 7%.

We were pleased that with the power of our strong cash generating asset light business model and our disciplined investment, we returned over $4,400,000,000 to shareholders through a combination of dividends and buybacks. I’ll now talk about our 2025 expectations starting with net rooms growth. With our industry leading pipeline and strong momentum in conversions, we expect net rooms growth of 4% to 5%. Conversions of course can enter the system quickly. Conversions that were added to our system in 2024 have been in the pipeline for fourteen months on average and nearly 20% of conversions open so quickly that we’re not in any quarter end pipeline number.

Over the three year period from year end twenty twenty two to year end twenty twenty five, we continue to expect net rooms to grow at a compound annual growth rate of 5% to 5.5% we discussed at our twenty twenty three investor meeting. For full year 2025, we expect global RevPAR growth of 2% to 4%. With the exception of Greater China, RevPAR growth in international regions, though continuing to normalize is again expected to be higher than in The U. S. And Canada.

We currently anticipate RevPAR in Greater China to be roughly flat year over year. As Tony discussed, we’re off to a great start with January RevPAR rising 6% globally. The sensitivity of one percentage point change in full year 2025 RevPAR versus 2024 could be around $50,000,000 to $60,000,000 of RevPAR related fees and $5,000,000 in owned leased profits. For the full year, gross fees could rise 4% to 6% to around $5,400,000,000 to $5,500,000,000 Co brand credit card fee growth could be a couple hundred basis points lower than the nearly 10% growth in 2024, primarily due to the normalization of international card fee growth. Residential branding fees could decline nearly 50% solely due to the timing of unit sales, while timeshare fees as usual are expected to be relatively in line with the prior year at around $110,000,000 FX is expected to negatively impact gross fees by roughly $25,000,000 Owned, leased and other revenues net of expenses is expected to total $345,000,000 to $355,000,000 relatively in line with twenty twenty four’s results, somewhat impacted by a larger number of renovations at our owned and leased hotels.

2025 G and A expenses anticipated to decline 8% to 10% to nine sixty five million dollars to $985,000,000 This decline is the result of the expected $80,000,000 to $90,000,000 of above property savings from our enterprise wide initiative to enhance our effectiveness and efficiency across the company. As we previously noted, this process should also yield cost savings to our owners and franchisees. In December, we announced that we would reduce our loyalty charge out rates by roughly 5%. Full year adjusted EBITDA could increase between 69% to roughly $5,300,000,000 to $5,400,000,000 Full year adjusted diluted EPS could total $9.82 to $10.19 EPS growth will be impacted by an expected effective tax rate of around 26% compared to under 25% in 2024, reflecting certain international tax rate changes. Our underlying core cash tax rate is anticipated to remain in the low 20s percent range.

For the first quarter, global RevPAR could increase 3% to 4% benefiting from Easter shifting from March to April this year, as well as January’s inauguration and the Super Bowl in New Orleans benefiting The U. S. And Canada. First Quarter gross fees could increase 2% to 3.5%. Solid growth in management and franchise fees are expected to be partially offset by a decline in the IMS, partly due to a decline in Greater China given their strong first quarter a year ago, as well as certain properties in The U.

S. And Canada undergoing renovations. First quarter owned, leased and other revenues net of expenses of around $55,000,000 is expected to decline year over year primarily due to the elegant portfolio undergoing renovations as well as the timing of termination fees. We expect $1,000,000,000 to $1,100,000,000 of investment spending in 2025. There are three major areas of expected spending that are each around a third of this total.

The first bucket is another year of higher than historical investment in technology. Over half of this investment is associated with the multi year transformation of our property management, reservations and loyalty systems, the overwhelming portion of which is expected to be reimbursed over time. The second bucket is spending for our owned lease portfolio. This spending is expected to be above historical levels in 2025 with about half of the expected investment driven by the completion of renovations on the Elegant portfolio in Barbados as well as renovations on a handful of other hotels. We expect to sell the elegant portfolio after renovations are complete subject to long term contract to remain in our system.

The last bucket is expected investment in our contracts, largely for new units as we continue to expand our global portfolio. Our capital allocation philosophy has not changed. We’re committed to our investment grade rating and investing in growth that’s accretive to shareholder value. Excess capital is returned to shareholders through a combination of share repurchase and a modest cash dividend, which has risen meaningfully over time. In 2025, we expect another year of strong capital returns of approximately $4,000,000,000 Full guidance assumptions and details for the first quarter and the full year are in the press release.

Tony and I are now happy to take your questions. Operator?

Conference Operator: We’ll take our first question from Sean Kelly with Bank of America. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Sean Kelly, Analyst, Bank of America: Hi, good morning, everyone. Tony, Lainie, I was hoping you could just update us on your cost kind of transformation and efficiency program, if you could. Obviously, this is sort of a unique initiative to Marriott. What did you learn out of that? What areas have been a focus on?

We’ve heard a little bit about select service management and sort of what’s been some of the response from the ownership community and internally? Thank you.

Tony Capuano, President and Chief Executive Officer, Marriott: Sure. Well, thanks for the question, Sean. It’s obviously a little early. The resultant impact to our work structure and model are really just have just been put in place. So I think most of my responses are going to be a little more qualitative.

What I will tell you internally, I think there is energy across the enterprise about how streamlined our decision making will be as a result of this, particularly in the field. And I have heard parallel enthusiasm for the owner and franchisee community. Their ability to engage with the continent teams who they deal with each and every day, they can already feel the empowerment in the continents. And I think they have high hopes for how that will improve the relationship we have with the owner and franchisee community.

Sean Kelly, Analyst, Bank of America: And then maybe, Lieny, just as a quick follow-up, the investment spending buckets are a bit higher than what was outlined kind of back at the Analyst Day a couple of years or eighteen months ago or so. Could you just expand on that a little bit? Sort of what’s kind of a little different than maybe your expectations a little while ago? And then kind of back to the capital recycling point, when do you expect to get some of that, especially that technology spending back or when should we see that level off or start to decline? Thank you.

Lenny Oberg, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President of Development, Marriott: Yes, sure. Yes, sure, Sean. When I outlined those three, as I pointed out in the one third that is largely around investing in our owned leased properties, that is higher than normal because as I pointed out, our investment in the Barbados properties, which will be largely this year and should be completed at the end of this year. And that is towards $100,000,000 of that overall amount. And then you’ve also got a handful of a bit larger than normal renovations in leased properties.

And I would say those are also not ones that you should continue to expect on a normal run rate basis. So that’s part of it getting you down to the $800,000,000 to $900,000,000 that we do believe is the appropriate kind of post $25,000,000 and post the transformational tech investing that we’re doing levels. As we’ve talked about both in 2024 and 2025, we’ve got higher than typical tech investments in the system that we do expect to start rolling out later in 2025. When you think about how those will be paid back by the owners, I think one of the things you probably noticed in our reimbursed depreciation calculation for adjusted EBITDA of ’25 is this level that is a bit higher. And that again reflects exactly your question about the normal charges going to the owners reflecting kind of the repayment of some of these CapEx expenditures.

So I think you’ll see it over the next several years as we move into implementing this throughout the system. So again, the normal levels that we talked about, I think are still the right ones for your longer term model.

Sean Kelly, Analyst, Bank of America: Thank you very much.

Conference Operator: We’ll take our next question from Patrick Scholes with Truist Securities. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Patrick Scholes, Analyst, Truist Securities: Great. Good morning, everyone. Thank you.

Lenny Oberg, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President of Development, Marriott: Good morning.

Patrick Scholes, Analyst, Truist Securities: What do you feel is your appetite for additional tuck in acquisitions this coming year? Or would you see this year more as a year of, should we say, digestion of previous acquisitions? And then I have a follow-up question. Thank you.

Tony Capuano, President and Chief Executive Officer, Marriott: Sure. So just as we talked about our capital allocation philosophy remaining intact, I would say the same thing in response to your question. We obviously, if you look at our history over the last decade or so, when we have identified a gap either in our brand portfolio or in our geographic footprint that we thought could be more effectively filled through tuck in acquisition. We’ve done that. In some instances, we filled those gaps through the development of organic platforms.

And we’ll continue to look at both the breadth of the brand portfolio and our expanding global footprint. And if we think there’s an opportunity to fill those gaps, we will certainly consider a tuck in acquisition, but that will apply the same sort of rigor in terms of evaluating the economics. But you should certainly assume going forward, the vast, vast majority of our rooms growth will be organic growth.

Patrick Scholes, Analyst, Truist Securities: Okay. Thank you. And then my follow-up question. I’ve been reading some news articles very recently regarding Canadian and Mexican travelers canceling reservations or pulling back their travel plans and this is related to recent political tensions related to tariffs etcetera. Is that something that you are seeing as well in your reservations and bookings from these customers from these two regions?

Thank you.

Lenny Oberg, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President of Development, Marriott: Yes, sure. Yes, it would be too soon to say that we’re seeing anything of note. Just as a reminder, when you look overall, The U. S. And Canada is overwhelmingly driven by domestic travelers.

The two largest international markets of travelers coming to The U. S. Are from Canada and Mexico, but they make up really a very small part overall, call it 1% to 2% of our nights in The U. S. So we’ll see over time, but certainly too early to say and overwhelmingly a very small part of our business in The U.

S.

Patrick Scholes, Analyst, Truist Securities: Okay. Thank you. That’s all.

Conference Operator: We’ll take our next question from Connor Cunningham with Melius Research. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Connor Cunningham, Analyst, Melius Research: Hi, everyone. So there’s been a just going back to the whole the tech migration. Can you just it seems like you’re going to be done with that at year end. Can you just talk about how that’s going to be implemented? And then what that actually means for your business going forward?

I assume it’s going to be a benefit to 2026. So if you could just talk about that a little bit more, that would be helpful. Thank you.

Tony Capuano, President and Chief Executive Officer, Marriott: Sure. So as we mentioned in the prepared remarks, elements of that tech transformation will start to roll out later this year. We’ve talked about this a bit in the past. We think there are far reaching impacts to this transformation to all the constituents we serve. Starting with Marriott Associates, the simplicity and the streamlined training, we think will be a big advantage as we go out there and try to attract best in class talent, especially from a next generation workforce.

For our guests, we think the transformation will create tremendous capacity at the hotel level so that our associates can better engage the guests in person. It will also meaningfully help our call agents and their ability to help with broader travel planning questions. And then we think for the owners, really advantages or opportunities both on the revenue and expense side. Certainly on the expense side, we expect there to be enhanced efficiency. But one of the things that our owner community is most excited about, there

Lenny Oberg, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President of Development, Marriott: are

Tony Capuano, President and Chief Executive Officer, Marriott: a wide range of products and services that we offer our guests every day beyond guest rooms, food and beverage, spa, golf, etcetera. The ease with which a guest can shop across all of those categories on our new reservations platform, we believe represents meaningful revenue upside for our owners.

Lenny Oberg, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President of Development, Marriott: And given the only thing I’ll add just one more thing to add is that given the size and scale of this transformation, which is as you heard, involves our reservations, our property management systems and our loyalty program. This is going to be something that will take a number of quarters to roll out around the world. So you should expect this over the next couple of years or so.

Connor Cunningham, Analyst, Melius Research: Okay. And then on the composition of Red Park, can you just talk about ADRs versus occupancy? Obviously, you saw nice cadence in the fourth quarter, but just curious on how you’re thinking about it for 2025 in general and just if you could level set around that stuff, that would be great. Thank you.

Lenny Oberg, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President of Development, Marriott: Yes. So the way I think about it is, as you’ve heard, we’ve had in the full year this year, kind of group was the big winner, up 8% for the full year with BT and leisure, both also very strong. When I think about 2025, I would say still think group with the pace that’s up right now of 6% for 2025 that that will likely be the leader in the clubhouse for RevPAR with BT continuing to be sturdy in this macroeconomic environment in the low single digits and probably leisure in the flat to slightly up. And I would say overwhelmingly ADR driven. We do expect a little bit of occupancy gains as well.

But when I compare it to this year, I would say it’s going to be more we would expect it to be more heavily weighted towards ADR in 2025.

Connor Cunningham, Analyst, Melius Research: Appreciate the details. Thank you.

Conference Operator: We’ll take our next question from Richard Clarke with Bernstein. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Richard Clarke, Analyst, Bernstein: Good morning. Thanks for my question. I appreciate you gave some of this color for the first quarter. But just on the full year basis, RevPAR plus net unit growth is 7.5%. It sounds like you’re going to grow the non RevPAR fees a bit above that, but you’re getting to gross fee growth of only around 5%.

So what’s the bridge we should think about to get down to that five percent there?

Lenny Oberg, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President of Development, Marriott: Sure. As you probably heard in my comments, there are a couple elements impacting fees that are not necessarily repeated every year. I’d say the first one is FX, which is a headwind for us of about $25,000,000 And then the other is lower residential branding fees. And that could be as much as almost a 50% reduction next year. Part of that is because they were so particularly strong in closings this year.

We do expect, for example, by the time you get to ’26, we’d expect them to pop back up. This is all around when these buildings are built and the units are closed, so that the sales can occur and the fees recognized. So those fees tend to be fairly lumpy. And then the last thing I’ll point out is that you do have IMFs really only changing slightly next year and that is a function of two things. One is obviously Greater China continues to have headwinds on the RevPAR front and their Q1 is particularly challenging because in Q1 of twenty twenty four, they had a 6% RevPAR growth quarter.

So for the full year in 2025, I would expect to see their IMFs decline. And then The U. S. And Canada, we’ve got some renovations going on that are going to also impact their IMFs in 2025. And you put that together and that’s where you’ll see the overall fee growth perhaps slightly lower than you might have expected given our strong rooms growth and RevPAR.

Richard Clarke, Analyst, Bernstein: Thanks. Maybe just a follow-up on that then. I guess at your CMD, you guided to non RevPAR fees growing 12% across 2024 and 2025. Where do you actually expect that to come out across those two years? Maybe I think I interpreted it as credit card growth, but all in, what do the non RevPAR fees grow out across 2024

David Katz, Analyst, Jefferies: and 2025?

Lenny Oberg, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President of Development, Marriott: Yes, which really I think there are lots of moving parts in there. I think the biggest drivers are the ones that I mentioned, which credit card fees being a couple of hundred basis points lower growth than this year. And then obviously residential branding fees are dropping from the $80,000,000 this year to likely roughly half. And then timeshare fees being essentially flat. Those are the three big drivers.

Richard Clarke, Analyst, Bernstein: Okay. That’s very helpful. Thank you.

Conference Operator: We’ll take our next question from Robin Farley with UBS. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Robin Farley, Analyst, UBS: Great. Thanks. Just circling back to your unit growth guide for the year, roughly what percent of that are you expecting to come from conversions versus new construction? Thanks.

Lenny Oberg, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President of Development, Marriott: So I think as you’ve seen this year, particularly high this year, Robin, as we were able to fold in the MGM and Sonder rooms. So it’s over half. I think this year signings at 34% reflects how I think you should think about it going forward, which that clearly could be 30% to 40% coming from conversions in our openings in 2025.

Robin Farley, Analyst, UBS: Okay. Thanks. And maybe just one final question. On the one third of the capital spend that’s for contract investments for new units, Are those is that a mix of that key money, some loans, some equity slivers sort of how should we think about if it’s showing up in capital spend that’s probably not a loan that you get back from a hotel owner? Or how should we think about the return on that?

Tony Capuano, President and Chief Executive Officer, Marriott: Sure. So Robin, as you point out, we’ve got lots of financial tools in our toolbox for those deals that we think will provide outsized volumes of fees. Here in The U. S. And Canada, the competitive landscape has really shifted towards key money being the tool of preference in a lot of ways.

As we look at trends in key money, we are seeing a bit more key money required across more tiers, meaning occasionally we’re seeing it used in the lower chain scales, which is a bit of a new development. Given our rapidly growing scale, we saw slightly less key money used per deal, which I think is interesting. If you compare 2019 to 2024, the absolute volume of dollars kind of grows as our system grows dramatically, but key money investment per deal is down compared to where we were back pre pandemic.

Lenny Oberg, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President of Development, Marriott: And Robin, when you think about the makeup, I would think about investments in growth to be overwhelmingly key money. We do have obviously debt service guarantees, operating traffic guarantees, but when you think about the broad brush of it, that’s going to be a relatively smaller amount. We do from time to time, we’ll do a mezz loan into a deal, which is recyclable and you’ve actually seen some of that recycling going on this year as we get that money back. But I think the biggest component of that investment is in the form of key money.

Robin Farley, Analyst, UBS: Okay, great. Thank you very much.

Conference Operator: We’ll take our next question from Stephen Grandling with Morgan Stanley (NYSE:MS). Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Patrick Scholes, Analyst, Truist Securities: Hi, thanks. There’s been a number of kind of puts and takes that people have been asking about regarding the September back in 2023. And I guess if you could zoom out to compare the 2025 outlook versus then what’s perhaps surprised to the upside? What’s been a bit more of a challenge? And what do you think all these puts and takes mean for the trajectory of EBITDA and free cash flow as we think

Lenny Oberg, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President of Development, Marriott: about the longer term growth potential? Yes, I think thanks for the question. I think when you get the classic question that I know we are often asked is around this equation around rooms growth and RevPAR. And as you can tell this year with the midpoint of the guidance that we’ve given in 2025 being around 7.5% to 8%, that kind of fits pretty squarely in this view of RevPAR and rooms growth. I think we see a lot of opportunity for us to continue to grow and think about the pace of that with the work that we’ve been doing over the past year, as Tony described about being as efficient and effective as we can be for opportunities to improve on that.

I think the basic equation that we laid out in September of twenty twenty three has held up very, very well. You have had a few puts and takes relative to things like FX and kind of what’s going on with RevPAR in certain parts of the world. But I think overwhelmingly, the equation has worked really well. And when you think about the capital return and the growth in EBITDA that we see for many years to come, it’s very robust. And the only thing

Tony Capuano, President and Chief Executive Officer, Marriott: I would add, Stephen, the you’ll recall at that Investor Day was the first time we maybe zoomed in a little on thinking about net unit growth on a CAGR basis rather than a specific point in time. And since the time of that Investor Day, there have been some instances that underscore the importance from our perspective of looking at it over a multiyear basis. The shift in timing of MGM maybe being the most relevant illustration, But we continue to feel really confident in our ability to deliver the 5% to 5.5% CAGR that we laid out on the Investor Day.

Lenny Oberg, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President of Development, Marriott: The last thing I’ll mention just the last thing I will mention is just a reflection that on that day when we talked about a tax rate, we gave one that was really over the entire three year period. And as you heard me describe in 2025, we have seen with some jurisdictional tax rate changes in certain parts of the world that when we look at 2025. And frankly, from what we can tell, probably a view of how you should think about it going forward is that 26% roughly 26% effective tax rate is the updated one as compared to what we talked about in September of twenty twenty three. And then obviously RevPAR has been excellent.

Patrick Scholes, Analyst, Truist Securities: Great. Thank you.

Conference Operator: We’ll take our next question from David Katz with Jefferies. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

David Katz, Analyst, Jefferies: Hi, good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking my question.

Lenny Oberg, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President of Development, Marriott: Good morning.

David Katz, Analyst, Jefferies: A lot of talk about key money. Can you just sort of walk us around the rest of the terms as you’re seeing them in the market, right? If key money and I heard correctly is starting to become more of a bigger button, do the returns shrink? Does the length of the contracts get longer? How does that all sort of fit together compared to where it would have say five years ago?

Lenny Oberg, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President of Development, Marriott: Yes. I mean, I think David, it’s

Tony Capuano, President and Chief Executive Officer, Marriott: a good question. And I’m going to probably repeat myself a bit. The fundamental philosophy we have around deal making remains consistent. We believe the best model for Marriott is to do long term stable contracts. We consider using the company’s balance sheet in deals where we believe the use of those capital tools will drive outsized fees.

And so it’s not a circumstance where we’re getting the castle is getting attacked on all four walls, meaning we’re not seeing deals where we’re making a key money contribution, being forced to do shorter terms, being forced to deviate materially from the sorts of base and incentive fees or franchise fees that we’ve established.

David Katz, Analyst, Jefferies: Right. So at the end of the day, it feels like it’s become just a bit more competitive, but you feel like you’re steadfast in the structure of what those management contracts are.

Lenny Oberg, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President of Development, Marriott: So I’ll just add a couple of numbers to help on this, David. When I think about the amount of money that we’re going to put out the door in cash for key money in 2025. It’s not materially different than in 2024. And we have talked before about getting a premium in net present value on contracts where we use key money and there continues to be a good premium for the deals that involve key money compared to deals that don’t involve key money. So I think the best way to think about it is the way Tony described, which is that it’s a tool in the toolbox and owners and franchisees use these various tools in a variety of ways.

Sometimes it’s a fee ramp, sometimes it’s how we’re thinking about how we participate in a renovation, etcetera. But I think, overall, it is we continue to see the contracts coming in with very, very strong returns on invested capital. And David, the last point I would make on Key Body, while I mentioned in the first part

Tony Capuano, President and Chief Executive Officer, Marriott: of my response that we are seeing it leak into some of the lower quality tiers, occasionally, it is much more prevalent in the highest value tiers, upper upscale and luxury. And that represents 40% of our pipeline. And so the our shareholders should want us to be holding those tools largely for those most valuable opportunities. And I think our focus on leading in those tiers is reflected in nearly or over 40% of the pipeline being in those two quality tiers.

David Katz, Analyst, Jefferies: Got it. Very clear. Thank you.

Tony Capuano, President and Chief Executive Officer, Marriott: Welcome.

Conference Operator: We’ll take our next question from Brandt Montour with Barclays (LON:BARC). Please go ahead. Your line is

Jackie McConaughey, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations, Marriott0: open. Thanks. Good morning, everybody. I want to drill in on the leisure commentary, Tony, which sounded like it was the big surprise for you in the fourth quarter. And yet, the commentary about the full year guide was sort of flat to up lenient.

And so I just kind of curious, I wouldn’t have thought that the first through third quarter comps were any tougher than the fourth quarter twenty twenty three, but maybe is it just sort of conservatism because there’s not a ton of visibility on that business? Or what are you kind of seeing in that segment?

Tony Capuano, President and Chief Executive Officer, Marriott: Yes. I mean, I think there’s a little bit of everything you identified. The booking windows are still relatively short, kind of sub three weeks. And so the ability to predict there, maybe we don’t have as much visibility as we might like or we’ve had historically. But we looked at those fourth quarter numbers as really encouraging.

I mean, there have been many predictions of the end of the run on leisure and understandably so. I mean, since 2019, you’ve seen a 40% improvement in leisure RevPAR. And so to me, I think the fourth quarter numbers are reflective that there are still some legs in leisure and the guidance that Leeny walked you through is reflective of an expectation that while we’ll continue to

Lenny Oberg, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President of Development, Marriott: see growth, it’s kind of normalizing a bit. And I’ll just add to your point. It was encouraging to see that RevPAR at our luxury and resort hotels, RevPAR in Q4 grew at 6%. And obviously, that’s helped by both group and BT and also this leisure that we saw. I think as Tony talked about it being a little bit harder to predict, I would point to just the overall macroeconomic picture.

That will always be a huge element to how leisure business develops at our hotels and we’ll all be watching that very closely.

Jackie McConaughey, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations, Marriott0: Okay. Thanks for that. And then Tony, I have a question about the other side of the KeyMoney coin. Just sort of the availability of capital is something you’ve talked a lot about at panels and conferences and things. I mean, rates are high, but they’ve been high for a while.

It’s the availability of capital, which is the problem and that’s sort of a separate issue. Do you think there’s anything in the horizon that could sort of unlock that? I mean, do you have to see deregulation from the sort of within capital markets? Or is it just sort of getting past the hangover of the post COVID office loan issues that are still a problem for some regional banks? What do you think is sort of the factors

Conference Operator: five?

Tony Capuano, President and Chief Executive Officer, Marriott: Yes, there is certainly a regulatory element here. The irony is when we talk to lenders, often the hospitality loans in their commercial real estate portfolios are the best performing sector. And so if they have reluctance to lend on new construction, it has little to do with the fundamentals of hospitality projects and much more to do with the unknown about what Basel III or other regulatory requirements might be imposed upon them. I think Lieny talked about this earlier. We are seeing an uptick in construction starts, not back to pre pandemic levels to be sure, but that’s encouraging.

And the other thing I felt really encouraging, and I mentioned this in my opening remarks, Largely, this is a U. S. And Canada issue, although there’s a bit of it in Europe as well. But in The U. S.

And Canada, we had a leading share of the new build construction starts out there, which would suggest that the lenders that are affiliation with the right brand family. And I think that speaks really well to our ability to over index in terms of capturing the new construction originations that are out there. But our sense is barring some significant regulatory change, slow and steady improvement in the lending environment.

Jackie McConaughey, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations, Marriott0: Great. Thanks everyone.

Lenny Oberg, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President of Development, Marriott: Welcome.

Conference Operator: We’ll take our next question from Duane Pfennigwerth with Evercore ISI. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Jackie McConaughey, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations, Marriott1: Hey, thank you. Good morning. Can you just remind us your view regarding how recovered business transient is both from a volume and a revenue basis? And then as you’re thinking about the year, any deeper insights you can offer on how you see that recovering either from a geographic or industry vertical perspective?

Lenny Oberg, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President of Development, Marriott: Yes. So I’ll start and Tony can follow-up with anything he’s got. First of all, business transient has recovered to twenty nineteen levels just in a little bit different form. The small and medium sized businesses came back faster than the largest corporates. When you think about the large companies that have had more remote work since COVID, etcetera, you still see their nights meaningfully behind twenty nineteen levels.

Although I will tell say that some other of those large corporates like in the financing sector of the economy, they are actually back to more than recovered. So overall, the business has recovered. You have seen more growth in leisure as compared to the BT sector. One thing I thought was interesting when I looked at overall nights of the week, for example, you are seeing overall occupancy of our global system as being higher than twenty nineteen levels. But Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday are still the nights whose occupancy has not recovered, while the other nights of the week are actually higher So we continue to see bit by bit additional recovery in those large corporates during the year.

And we expect that to continue into 2025, but they are still not back to the level of 2019, while BT overall is.

Jackie McConaughey, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations, Marriott1: Thanks. And then maybe just for a follow-up, maybe you could speak to it at a high level. Can you just remind us the structure of your co brand relationships? Are those global in nature? Are they country specific?

And when would we see an opportunity for a significant renewal or extension? Thanks for taking the questions.

Tony Capuano, President and Chief Executive Officer, Marriott: Yes. So the our two biggest relationships are with JPMorgan Chase (NYSE:JPM) and American Express (NYSE:AXP), which is largely a domestic set of relationships. Around the world, we tend to partner with local banks. We’ve got 11 of those relationships and continue to evaluate other countries where it might make sense to establish a local relationship. We’re in great shape as evidenced by the numbers on growth that we need shared.

And we’re not ready to really talk about when we might enter into a renewal.

Lenny Oberg, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President of Development, Marriott: They’re multi year agreements. So there is not a particular pressure on them, but always in discussions.

Jackie McConaughey, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations, Marriott1: Thank you.

Conference Operator: We’ll take our next question from Smedes Rhodes with Citi. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Jackie McConaughey, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations, Marriott2: Hi, thanks for taking my question. I wanted to ask you, you mentioned investing in the Elegant portfolio in Barbados and then looking to sell that. Are you actively seeking investors now or potential buyers? And I was just wondering if other challenges to selling an all inclusive portfolio that might be unique to that sector or that region of the world. I was just wondering if you could maybe just talk about your sort of timeline there a little bit.

Lenny Oberg, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President of Development, Marriott: Yes, sure. I wouldn’t have any particular expectations. I think given COVID and what would not be surprising to you and some supply chain challenges related to that following COVID, we’ve got all the plans in place. We’re executing. Some of it was done in 2024 and we’re really going to get the vast majority completed in 2025.

So that would be kind of the normal pathway for us to complete that and then execute the sale where you’re not in a position where somebody is having to kind of do a quarter or a third of the renovation themselves. It makes it for a nice clean sale of the hotels. Nothing in particular at this point to talk about the marketing process for that. Obviously, as you’ve seen us do Smedes over time, we’re constantly evaluating market opportunities, buyer opportunities and thinking about when is the appropriate time to sell it. And the only thing I would add, Smedes, the

Tony Capuano, President and Chief Executive Officer, Marriott: part of your question was any particular concerns. I think as we watch the competitive landscape, as we watch the transaction market, you are seeing more and more institutional investment dollars going into the all inclusive space. And I think that bodes well when we’re ready to recycle this capital.

Lenny Oberg, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President of Development, Marriott: And we have frankly, since we’ve acquired it, the performance has been excellent of those hotels. It is a wonderful addition for us, for our global convoy traveler. We have not had a presence in Barbados before. So it’s been a really wonderful set of hotels to add to the portfolio. It’s done quite well.

Jackie McConaughey, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations, Marriott2: Great. And then just one, just small one, but did you complete the purchase

Richard Clarke, Analyst, Bernstein: of

Jackie McConaughey, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations, Marriott2: the Chicago Sheridan in the quarter? And is that, that would be included in your owned and leased outlook, I guess, going forward?

Tony Capuano, President and Chief Executive Officer, Marriott: Yes, we did. So we are the proud owners of the Sheridan Chicago and our value, it’s performing well. We think it will be a good cash flow generator in the owned lease line and we will embark on an evaluation of the assets capital needs.

Jackie McConaughey, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations, Marriott2: Great. I appreciate it. Thank you.

Tony Capuano, President and Chief Executive Officer, Marriott: Thank you, sir.

Conference Operator: We’ll take our next question from Ari Klein with BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Jackie McConaughey, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations, Marriott3: Thanks and good morning. Maybe just going back to KeyMoney, I was curious to hear from a little bit of different perspective, if there was an opportunity to actually be more aggressive on that front, given that it’s accretive to growth and you have such a strong cost of capital. Maybe what are some of the puts and takes on that front from your point of view?

Tony Capuano, President and Chief Executive Officer, Marriott: Yes, maybe I’ll start and then I’ll turn it over to our Head of Development here in Minna. Again, at the risk of repeating myself, key money is a valuable tool in the right circumstances from our perspective. We are not anxious to go buy growth at any cost. We use the same discipline and the same evaluation of the value creation of each individual transaction. Married investment, whether it’s key money or one of the other tools we have available is obviously incorporated into that calculation.

And to the extent we see opportunities for deals that will generate higher than typical fees, we are certainly not shy about using that tool, but it’s got to be through that disciplined lens. Thank you.

Conference Operator: We’ll take our next question from Chad Beynon with Macquarie. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Jackie McConaughey, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations, Marriott4: Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Tony, at the outset, you talked about continued strength in 2024 with the Bonvoy members. Can you just kind of touch on where you’re seeing the growth or maybe a particular age or region and if this saw a nice benefit from the MGM deal? Thanks.

Tony Capuano, President and Chief Executive Officer, Marriott: Yes, of course, Chad. The good news is we’re seeing it everywhere. The continent teams around the world, the property teams around the world have really embraced our efforts to continue to add high value members to the program. I think we talked in my prepared remarks about the rapid progress we’ve made in our entry into the midscale tier. My view is that creates a great opportunity to open the aperture and bring in younger Bonvoy members, maybe less frequent those that are just starting their the evolution of their travel journey.

So I think that’s a big opportunity for us. But it’s really around the globe where we’re seeing those opportunities. We’ll continue to push at the property level in 2025. And I think you’ll see a renewed focus on leveraging some of the amazing partners we have like Starbucks and MGM to try to continue to grow the platform.

Jackie McConaughey, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations, Marriott4: Thank you. And then lastly, just in terms of the China recovery curve, can you talk about anything that you saw maybe outside of the Tier one cities in China with respect to maybe Chinese New Year, some of the near term data points, if you’re starting to see a recovery from those lower tier provinces or regions in China and maybe if stimulus would be the big catalyst to get that going? Thank you.

Tony Capuano, President and Chief Executive Officer, Marriott: Yes, I think we all hope that, but it’s really too soon to say. As you heard in Lenny’s remarks, while we’re quite encouraged by the January performance, we’ve also got to temper that enthusiasm a little bit because some of that is a byproduct of the timing of Chinese New Year. So we’ll continue to watch. We are seeing some very small encouraging signs. The fact that the Tier one cities were positive is a good sign.

The fact that sequentially the weakness in INAP is improving, albeit not anywhere close where we’d like it to be, is encouraging. We’ve seen some stimulus programs coming out of the central government, none of which to date at least we believe will have a material impact on demand patterns or for that matter on the property sector. But long term, we continue to be really bullish on Greater China. It’s quite interesting to us that even in the face of some short term operating weakness, We had record level of deal volume performance in 2024. And I think that’s indicative of the development community’s confidence long term about China growth trends.

Conference Operator: Thank you very much. Appreciate it.

Jackie McConaughey, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations, Marriott2: You’re welcome.

Conference Operator: We’ll take our next question from Lizzie Dove with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Jackie McConaughey, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations, Marriott5: Hi there. I’m wondering if you could just expand on your comments around international RevPAR being higher than The U. S. You mentioned China will be flat, but anything you could share there, whether that’s Middle East or Europe? I know you’re laughing the Olympics, but you have Jubilee in Italy.

So just any kind of color you can give around that?

Lenny Oberg, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President of Development, Marriott: Well, obviously, first of all, basics on RevPAR are very much tied to GDP. And you’ve got in some markets around the world, I’ll point out India as an example, you’ve got meaningfully faster growth in GDP and those are areas where our rooms are growing at double digit range. So there’s obviously benefits like that. You’ve also seen when we talk about cross border travel, the strong dollar has been very encouraging for travelers to be going overseas. I think in particular, when you think about Europe and Japan, for example, we’ve seen really outstanding demand.

We had stronger percentage of cross border guests at our hotels than pre COVID this year. And I think trends like that continue to emphasize the fact that they could be on the higher end of the RevPAR growth as compared to The U. S, a little bit lower.

Jackie McConaughey, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations, Marriott5: Okay, great. Thanks. That’s all my questions.

Conference Operator: And that does conclude our allotted time for questions. I’ll now turn the program back to Tony for any additional or closing remarks.

Tony Capuano, President and Chief Executive Officer, Marriott: Great. Well, thank you again for your interest and your questions. As we mentioned at the outset, our teams are energized by fantastic performance in 2024 and excited to welcome you in 01/1944 countries around the world. So safe travels and we’ll talk to you soon.

Conference Operator: This does conclude today’s program. Thank you for your participation and you may now disconnect.

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